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KathrunGrimez
Of course we all hear about ghost and hauntings and things of that sort... well here is my reasoning of how/why we see these ghost and hauntings accure


when we die our souls/spirits leave our bodies and go to heaven or hell of wherwever they go, a ghost(in my opinion) is a dead souls that cannot be saved, a haunting on the other hand are many souls that can be saved but they are stuck between life and death... they haunt because they wnat people to know they are there and they want people to help them but we dont know how so we do all this crazy stuff like getting ghost hunters to search the house and all that is is make them more upset

there is no reason to be scared of these souls there are just as scared because they have not been saved and they are trapped so we need to figure out to help them and not ourselves. they are really not that bad.... wink2.gif
IamsSon
QUOTE (KathrunGrimez @ Apr 30 2008, 10:03 PM) *
Of course we all hear about ghost and hauntings and things of that sort... well here is my reasoning of how/why we see these ghost and hauntings accure


when we die our souls/spirits leave our bodies and go to heaven or hell of wherwever they go, a ghost(in my opinion) is a dead souls that cannot be saved, a haunting on the other hand are many souls that can be saved but they are stuck between life and death... they haunt because they wnat people to know they are there and they want people to help them but we dont know how so we do all this crazy stuff like getting ghost hunters to search the house and all that is is make them more upset

there is no reason to be scared of these souls there are just as scared because they have not been saved and they are trapped so we need to figure out to help them and not ourselves. they are really not that bad.... wink2.gif

What do you base these beliefs on?
Lady Otterwynnd
QUOTE (KathrunGrimez @ Apr 30 2008, 08:03 PM) *
Of course we all hear about ghost and hauntings and things of that sort... well here is my reasoning of how/why we see these ghost and hauntings accure


when we die our souls/spirits leave our bodies and go to heaven or hell of wherwever they go, a ghost(in my opinion) is a dead souls that cannot be saved, a haunting on the other hand are many souls that can be saved but they are stuck between life and death... they haunt because they wnat people to know they are there and they want people to help them but we dont know how so we do all this crazy stuff like getting ghost hunters to search the house and all that is is make them more upset

there is no reason to be scared of these souls there are just as scared because they have not been saved and they are trapped so we need to figure out to help them and not ourselves. they are really not that bad.... wink2.gif

There are many reports of human ghosts shoving, scratching, poking, pulling, etc, etc people. If a person is evil (or merely tempermental) in this lifetime, who is to say they won't be evil when they die? Not to disregard your theory, mind you, just something I thought I should bring up. Ghost hunters are just trying to prove that these beings exist; they're not trying to hurt them. Often the ghost hunters will even help the spirits move on to the place where they need to go.
Belle.
I think this is actually quite a common view original.gif

I think a lot of the people up in the Ghosts section subscribe to similar views. Have you had experience with hauntings?

Lady Otterwynnd
QUOTE (IamsSon @ Apr 30 2008, 08:06 PM) *
What do you base these beliefs on?

What do we base ANY of our beliefs on, Iams? It was stated that this was an opinion, not fact. Everyone has opinions about what happens when we die.
IamsSon
QUOTE (Lady Otterwynnd @ Apr 30 2008, 10:10 PM) *
What do we base ANY of our beliefs on, Iams? It was stated that this was an opinion, not fact. Everyone has opinions about what happens when we die.

Exactly, which is why I'm curious about the basis of this particular set of beliefs. I was not addressing it from the standpoint of this being or not being factual. Just curious.
WARRIOR FOR THE LIGHT
QUOTE (KathrunGrimez @ Apr 30 2008, 11:03 PM) *
Of course we all hear about ghost and hauntings and things of that sort... well here is my reasoning of how/why we see these ghost and hauntings accure


when we die our souls/spirits leave our bodies and go to heaven or hell of wherwever they go, a ghost(in my opinion) is a dead souls that cannot be saved, a haunting on the other hand are many souls that can be saved but they are stuck between life and death... they haunt because they wnat people to know they are there and they want people to help them but we dont know how so we do all this crazy stuff like getting ghost hunters to search the house and all that is is make them more upset

there is no reason to be scared of these souls there are just as scared because they have not been saved and they are trapped so we need to figure out to help them and not ourselves. they are really not that bad.... wink2.gif

A ghost is just a spirit that hasnt passed over...I think it is one in the same thing... A haunting is the place where they are perhaps stuck....They dont haunt because they want us to know they are here...sometimes they cant help it, they just cant pass...Othertimes they do come on purpose to visit, or come back....and then some others cant and transcend right over with ease...and we never see them again. Like my grandmother...I never had a visit from her.

I beg to differ about if they are bad or not....There are bad as well as good spirits and varying degrees or levels to each too. The bad/evil spirits can be quite deceitful since all evil is built on lies and deceit. Be very careful my friend, dont be fooled by others telling you they are all good..... Not so. Dont fal into that trap they are.

Blessings honey

Rosewin
I believe we move on. There are two types of ghosts. One is residual energy, a psychic/emotional echo, if an old lady paces her hall admiring artwork every day she is depositing energy in the forms of thoughts/emotions. Someone later can pick this up. The ghost of the old lady will not turn and recognize you or talk to you. The other type of ghosts in my belief is a spiritual entity that has never been a human and never will be human.
__Kratos__
QUOTE (IamsSon @ Apr 30 2008, 10:13 PM) *
Exactly, which is why I'm curious about the basis of this particular set of beliefs. I was not addressing it from the standpoint of this being or not being factual. Just curious.


Are you looking for permission to agree or disagree with the thread starter based on if their own beliefs match your's?



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there is no reason to be scared of these souls there are just as scared because they have not been saved and they are trapped so we need to figure out to help them and not ourselves. they are really not that bad.... wink2.gif


I don't believe in ghosts or spirits. There is nothing to be scared of in death. It comes for us all.
Wombat
QUOTE (Lady Otterwynnd @ May 1 2008, 04:10 AM) *
What do we base ANY of our beliefs on, Iams? It was stated that this was an opinion, not fact. Everyone has opinions about what happens when we die.

Evidence. There is no evidence for anything that he is saying.

And opinions don't mean anything. What matters is the evidence and truth.
IamsSon
QUOTE (__Kratos__ @ May 1 2008, 04:25 AM) *
Are you looking for permission to agree or disagree with the thread starter based on if their own beliefs match your's?

Not at all, I'm just curious.
Belle.
QUOTE (IamsSon @ May 1 2008, 09:27 PM) *
Not at all, I'm just curious.


Tsk tsk, you know your are a believer on this site Iams, how dare you be skeptical about anything spiritual tongue.gif
IamsSon
QUOTE (Belle. @ May 1 2008, 04:08 PM) *
Tsk tsk, you know your are a believer on this site Iams, how dare you be skeptical about anything spiritual tongue.gif

cool.gif You gotta shake things up every now and then.


tongue.gif
KathrunGrimez
QUOTE (IamsSon @ Apr 30 2008, 07:06 PM) *
What do you base these beliefs on?


personal experiences and opinion
KathrunGrimez
QUOTE (Wombat @ May 1 2008, 01:27 AM) *
Evidence. There is no evidence for anything that he is saying.

And opinions don't mean anything. What matters is the evidence and truth.


i completly disagree without the human opinion our world would be no where and in crisis
KathrunGrimez
QUOTE (Lady Otterwynnd @ Apr 30 2008, 07:07 PM) *
There are many reports of human ghosts shoving, scratching, poking, pulling, etc, etc people. If a person is evil (or merely tempermental) in this lifetime, who is to say they won't be evil when they die? Not to disregard your theory, mind you, just something I thought I should bring up. Ghost hunters are just trying to prove that these beings exist; they're not trying to hurt them. Often the ghost hunters will even help the spirits move on to the place where they need to go.

true but many ghost can be helpd even they are evil /bad...
KathrunGrimez
QUOTE (Belle. @ Apr 30 2008, 07:08 PM) *
I think this is actually quite a common view original.gif

I think a lot of the people up in the Ghosts section subscribe to similar views. Have you had experience with hauntings?


oh yes, would you like to elaborate?
KathrunGrimez
QUOTE (WARRIOR FOR THE LIGHT @ Apr 30 2008, 07:44 PM) *
A ghost is just a spirit that hasnt passed over...I think it is one in the same thing... A haunting is the place where they are perhaps stuck....They dont haunt because they want us to know they are here...sometimes they cant help it, they just cant pass...Othertimes they do come on purpose to visit, or come back....and then some others cant and transcend right over with ease...and we never see them again. Like my grandmother...I never had a visit from her.

I beg to differ about if they are bad or not....There are bad as well as good spirits and varying degrees or levels to each too. The bad/evil spirits can be quite deceitful since all evil is built on lies and deceit. Be very careful my friend, dont be fooled by others telling you they are all good..... Not so. Dont fal into that trap they are.

Blessings honey


even i a spirit is in aweful in life i beleive that no matter if you have on from life or not you can still be helped and many times that ia why a spirit/ghost can not pass to the second life of a human
Omnaka
QUOTE (KathrunGrimez @ May 1 2008, 03:03 AM) *
Of course we all hear about ghost and hauntings and things of that sort... well here is my reasoning of how/why we see these ghost and hauntings accure


when we die our souls/spirits leave our bodies and go to heaven or hell of wherwever they go, a ghost(in my opinion) is a dead souls that cannot be saved, a haunting on the other hand are many souls that can be saved but they are stuck between life and death... they haunt because they wnat people to know they are there and they want people to help them but we dont know how so we do all this crazy stuff like getting ghost hunters to search the house and all that is is make them more upset

there is no reason to be scared of these souls there are just as scared because they have not been saved and they are trapped so we need to figure out to help them and not ourselves. they are really not that bad.... wink2.gif

Yes they are trapped inbetween worlds, They will be fine though , cause after the last day they will be reunited with Father and Mother's Love.

If you see one bless them and let them know Father and Mother love them unconnditionally, And it is safe to return Home.

No harm no foul, They are loved unconditionally, Let them know this.

Love Omnaka
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE (KathrunGrimez @ May 1 2008, 04:03 AM) *
Of course we all hear about ghost and hauntings and things of that sort... well here is my reasoning of how/why we see these ghost and hauntings accure


when we die our souls/spirits leave our bodies and go to heaven or hell of wherwever they go, a ghost(in my opinion) is a dead souls that cannot be saved, a haunting on the other hand are many souls that can be saved but they are stuck between life and death... they haunt because they wnat people to know they are there and they want people to help them but we dont know how so we do all this crazy stuff like getting ghost hunters to search the house and all that is is make them more upset

there is no reason to be scared of these souls there are just as scared because they have not been saved and they are trapped so we need to figure out to help them and not ourselves. they are really not that bad.... wink2.gif


Have you watched one too many - Ghost Whisperer tv shows??? tongue.gif

Explain to me why you believe there are souls that cannot be saved?
WARRIOR FOR THE LIGHT
QUOTE (KathrunGrimez @ May 4 2008, 03:34 AM) *
even i a spirit is in aweful in life i beleive that no matter if you have on from life or not you can still be helped and many times that ia why a spirit/ghost can not pass to the second life of a human


Huh?????? cant understand your post....
Sorry
Watchful
QUOTE (KathrunGrimez @ Apr 30 2008, 11:03 PM) *
Of course we all hear about ghost and hauntings and things of that sort... well here is my reasoning of how/why we see these ghost and hauntings accure


when we die our souls/spirits leave our bodies and go to heaven or hell of wherwever they go, a ghost(in my opinion) is a dead souls that cannot be saved, a haunting on the other hand are many souls that can be saved but they are stuck between life and death... they haunt because they wnat people to know they are there and they want people to help them but we dont know how so we do all this crazy stuff like getting ghost hunters to search the house and all that is is make them more upset

there is no reason to be scared of these souls there are just as scared because they have not been saved and they are trapped so we need to figure out to help them and not ourselves. they are really not that bad.... wink2.gif

Well, there really isn't any proof to discard this type of reasoning. I certainly can understand your feelings behind this. It is something I have thought of from time to time. I know, we really cannot tell if these souls are indeed what you think, or if they are not. I see from your thoughts, or I could be wrong, that you want to help them. Am I right? I do, in a sense.

I think the more theories, the better. thumbsup.gif


QUOTE (KathrunGrimez @ May 4 2008, 03:34 AM) *
even i a spirit is in aweful in life i beleive that no matter if you have on from life or not you can still be helped and many times that ia why a spirit/ghost can not pass to the second life of a human

Interesting, I believe the same thing. If I am understanding you correctly. I certainly do not get how some lecture others on how they behave in this lifetime, assuming you can do nothing about it in the next, if there is a next.
Watchful
QUOTE (Clovis @ May 1 2008, 12:02 AM) *
I believe we move on. There are two types of ghosts. One is residual energy, a psychic/emotional echo, if an old lady paces her hall admiring artwork every day she is depositing energy in the forms of thoughts/emotions. Someone later can pick this up. The ghost of the old lady will not turn and recognize you or talk to you. The other type of ghosts in my belief is a spiritual entity that has never been a human and never will be human.

I never can understand how some think that residual energy is a ghost. To me, the way it's been explained, it's seems it's the emotions of the spirit that is recorded. It seems, that even residule energy type ghosts, could be of people still alive. But the residule energy itself, I cannot see as an spiritual essence.
WARRIOR FOR THE LIGHT
QUOTE (Watchful @ May 6 2008, 09:58 PM) *
I never can understand how some think that residual energy is a ghost. To me, the way it's been explained, it's seems it's the emotions of the spirit that is recorded. It seems, that even residule energy type ghosts, could be of people still alive. But the residule energy itself, I cannot see as an spiritual essence.

Watchful,
Your right. Some is residual energy left behind..and as such dont recognize us as being here either..Its like a scene in the movies that plays over and over again...and then there is the real thing...an actual spirit who is around.

P.S. How have you been?

Blessings honey
Watchful
QUOTE (WARRIOR FOR THE LIGHT @ May 6 2008, 11:50 PM) *
Watchful,
Your right. Some is residual energy left behind..and as such dont recognize us as being here either..Its like a scene in the movies that plays over and over again...and then there is the real thing...an actual spirit who is around.
Exactly my point, thank you.

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P.S. How have you been?

Blessings honey

Ok, there have been some situations in the real world and my work that has taken up my time, but other than that, well, thank you. original.gif
KathrunGrimez
QUOTE (Beckys_Mom @ May 5 2008, 09:42 AM) *
Have you watched one too many - Ghost Whisperer tv shows??? tongue.gif

Explain to me why you believe there are souls that cannot be saved?

WHY!? because i have had uncountable experices and they are some that leave sfter my prayers and some that are never at peace

AND WHAT IS GHOST WHISPERER?!?!
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE (KathrunGrimez @ May 14 2008, 03:21 AM) *
WHY!? because i have had uncountable experices and they are some that leave sfter my prayers and some that are never at peace

AND WHAT IS GHOST WHISPERER?!?!

I'd hate to be you..on both counts..1st experiencing ghosts..and 2nd - never hearing to the sci-fi show Ghost Whisperer!! ohmy.gif
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