To this day (judging by the numbers) the world's "nations" consistently fail in any realistic action in restraining the obvious immediate known threats to the planet, CO2, deforestation, urban sprawl, basically all modern commercialization?

Are you going to accept the idea that "this can't be done now, it will take time for governments to take environmental action..."

In all curiosity, seeing as the United States are soon holding an election why are no delegates offering any real solutions or at least opinions on how this sitation is supposed to be handled? Is it simply not a matter of concern to the people of that nation? Is the rest of the world supposed to suffer at the hands of the world's wealthy nations' fully commercialized lifestyles?

Why do people fail to recognize the imperativenss in demanding world goverments take immediate action. Not these proposed "laxed gradual decrease" ideas being offered by the world's worst polluting nation's leaders...

Aside from the clear un-control all of the world's goverments actually have over their people. Why is this obvious corporate freedom being allowed to continue by the UN for that matter. It is clear that the industrialization of the world has proven to exploit true human selfishness.

is not one nation or at least indvidual governing body going to figure out the way to bring financial unity throughout the world to "buy" people out of this vastly commercialized lifestyle.

Why would this not be everyones primary concern with future govermental nominates in actually suggesting realistic actions to be taken?

Maybe peoples votes should'nt matter in this case, in that mandatarily enstate ecological conservation based governments. Considering the fact that a mere irrelevent number of people changing thier lifestyle is insufficient in curbing global consumption of commercial goods and services which is in turn what is killing all life off as we know it. Maybe these ideas of "liberty" and "rights and freedoms" has gone to everyone's head. It's time governments take some responsible action.

I'm pretty sure global warming doesn't exist.

It really does. Just ask NASA.

I don't trust anything NASA has to say after seeing the fox special on the moon landing hoax.

For alternative ideas on global warming click the link

http://ginacobb.typepad.com/gina_cobb/2007...ng-the-whi.html

Oh dear.
Don't use random internet to get ideas it is full of nonsense.
Every major meteorological society and service in the world shows clear evidence of global warming.

Fox btw = laughing stock when it comes to serious programs. Hence other countries are amazed to find Fox News isn't a joke.

Have you guys seen John Carpenter's film: They Live (1988) at IMDb. Carpenter had a great take on the problems of modern civilization. His "parody" is that an alien (i.e. extra-terrestrial) civilization which thrives on "warmer temperatures" and air toxicity, came to earth, coerced the corporate and government leaders with "riches" and then set about transforming the planet to suit their environmental requirements. Great flick! And the parody insightfully forces us to consider that modern corporations (multinationals in particular), and their hold on governments, is "alienated" from the desires of the ordinary human person.
I just wanted to throw my two cents in.

Yeah, just don't pull no Enron in conglomeration.

One simple work, economy. People arnt willing to loose comfort and privliges for a problem that doesnt immediatly effect them. Any helpfull solution would take a dramatic effect on the economy. Lots of people would loose money and have less privlages because of it. Most people are stupid and short sighted. They figure someone along the way will fix the problem and it wont have to effect them. The only real solutions is to cut industrializtion and to shrink the population dramaticly. Theres just to many people and everybodys in it for themselves.

We need third party organizations making more "noise" through the media because obviously most of the world's governments are corporately biased.

Seeing as there is absolutly no kind of realistic action governments are taking in at least "curbing" the worst of the world's problems (population control at least). Still the economy thrives off more and more people feeding their life into the company's slowly bringing death to our planet.

In that your all moraly obliged to taking action or at least bringing word of change to your local government officials. Sorry to say but if this is'nt a burning issue in your life your either lacking of empathy or just extremely selfish.

where to start...?

So difficult when so many are egotisticly selfish in their own opinion even on this topic. I'd say no realistic action is being taken by governments to bannish the world's worst ecological threats. I.e. International commercial fisheries, widespread deforestation, population control.

We more than have it in our intellectual capacity to observe this system of parasitic human behaviour. Now it's a question of personal morals. Making the minimal "eco-friendly" options a part of your still commercially dependent lifestyles is not going to solve this problem.

Governments need to educate people and promote self-sustainabilty within the next 20 years. Anyone reading this is as I said obliged to take immediate action in "proving" one's capabiltys in actually putting a little work into changing their lifestyles because if you don't and you continue raising future generations into corporate drones you will have commited an ultimate sin by only feeding into something that is causing ever EVER so much noise.

This system of irresponsible consumption and lack of true control the governments actually have over their people is by far unacceptable. However aside from that problem you still drive to work every day and power your living totally reliant on $money.

Unwilling participants, see to it your own life's irony will catch up to you in some way or another... Hopefully

Well, very well put, but we need to start somewhere. What are we supposed to just sit back and accept this realization? Being basically powerless in our "fair and equal" societies we still can make enough noise.

I suggest a third party organization, greenpeace and all these other organizations are a very good start. Hows about we tally up all of the world's worst problems and start taking irresponsible governments to a "world court."

Im pretty sure all the data is readily available, now its just a matter of an enlightend few potentially with enough funding to get the word out there. Educate the masses

"everybody'sin it for themselves" is unacceptable in my opinion and I for one will see to being part of the solution...As far as the solution itself I'm still young so im still learning the ropes.

If anyone has any kind of thesis or even idea as to how we do this I would love to hear it.

I suggest third party organizations start getting more in your face first of all. Take independent public votes on whether or not they are satisfied with their governments and start from there...

I'm really glad that you are sure it doesn't exist and while I value you opinion, if has to do with the fate of humanity, I want facts, lots and lots of facts.

thats pretty sad if your concerned enough about humanity or the environment for that matter that you'd still need to be plowed over with facts.

They've been laying out the facts for years now, through the media even...Not to mention the obvious condition of our atmosphere in and around cities during the summer time.

Facts and facts, yes, i think some environmental organization needs to get some full time television exposure that is providing some kind of a plausible solution. And a sort of registration system so we can see how many people out there are for or against environmentally focused changes to some industries and the economy.


You realists in here consider these ideas ludacris because even you are so hardwired into believing in the economy. Unfortunatly it is true you people can't fathom a lifestyle outside of Money and corporate sustinance because you are simply too WEAK to actually have the (how do you say) individuality? to put your life's cause into achieving or assisting in organizing the great change so direly needed.

Congratulations, consider your life's achievements when in the big picture all you did was contributed to the end times of the world's ecosystem and humanity for that matter. A bunch of sinners running around like rats in a maze. I have observed much of humanity to act in a type of hive collective manner, these days most of your lives very much resemble ants. World seems to always need more ants???

Maybe "liberty" and "rights and freedoms" have gone to my head. A study of history will reveal that these ideas were worth fighting and dying for for many generations. For essentially the only time in history, a few civilizations have manages to exist in a state other than abject slavery. i do think that is worth something. By seeking some sort of totalitarian control of the means of production and distribution you my be courting a disaster of a far greater magnitude than any threat posed by global warming. A quick overview of the multitude of ecological disasters that plague the lands of the former Soviet Union should help illustrate how socialism is not the answer to sound ecology.

It is a logical error to assume that those who disagree with your proposals are "cold" or do not care about people. Actually, I support the various forms of liberty precisely because I care about people.

However you could look at European social democracies which have the highest standards of Living, education and health care in the world and a vast improved environmental outlook and policy. To be fair as well so ex-soviet/communist nations have some of the best wildlife in Europe (Poland and Romania especially). The UK on the other hand has the worst.

Actually, Mattshark, the European social democracies have not given all freedoms over however. Individual and political rights are still firmly held. And, while they have more government regulation and control than in the US, there are still private firms that produce and refine oil.

I was mainly responding to DefCon's suggestion, which sounded like (to me) that individual liberty, and national sovereignty, needed to be wiped away to solve climate change. In free nations (such as both the US and European nations mentioned), the best approach to get change is to convince the people of that nation, otherwise the nation would not be free. It might seem more convienant to simply wish for authoritarian control to provide the solutions, but a quick review of history and the world will reveal where that leads...

I was not arguing that individual rights should be handed over and I know that private firms produce and refine oil (My girlfirends father used to work for Wintershall who are the German company BASF's oil division).
I agree education is the way forward unfortunately I think the US and UK are not exactly going in the right direction with there education system, I do think the Scandinavian nations are though.

in no way did i suggest another autocratic rulership. You people can maintain your national pride ego "sovernghty" whatever you want to call it. But the problem is your consistnently voting in people absolutely useless to the environmental cause.

Either you see the importance of this scenario but simply watch voiceless from the sidelines, or simply could'nt have a care in the world, as long as your hot waters running and theres fuel in the car every morning to get you to work, you could care less of the clear signs of mankind's manic-consumption.

The problem lies not only in our governments being corporate peons, but in the fact that so many of you (especially americans) are so hardwired into this post industrial revolution "suburbia" lifestyle Even if you live in the country these days. Regardless of your financial status or whereabouts you live, chances are, in the grand scheme of things your nothing but another senseless worker running chores for your superiors in a sense, regardless if your in business for yourself your still totally subject to the almighty dollar...

The root cause of this day in ages greatest problem(known as worldwide ecological holocaust) is each and ever one of yours own values and morals. To live the 125000$ a year lifestyle with all the riches is the american dream. Oh what a day in age we live in where just about any man can have it all, At only the mere cost of the world's ecological harbouring capabilities.

Every man to this day seeks financial riches and to live this lifestyle. Well, live it up, exploit the irresponsible global corporate over-ruling to the benefit of your own. See what feeding into this disasterpiece (the economy) ends you up as in individual in the grand scheme. Regardless of how good your intentions (looking at you modern religious type).

An easier way of putting it is that the american dream lifestyle, this one of which the entire world's societies has adopted of lavish spending and high on life day-to-day living is what your kind has been bred to uptake. So selfishly you could'nt fathom a lifestyle of actually working for your own survival. If you see this as absolute hogwash your the cause of this impending catastrophe. Even if you at least fail to recognize that it's now or never. Only after they've turned Eden into parched wasteland.

The story is but a bad interpretation, Of course God gave Adam and Eve the apples on the tree to enjoy, but as soon as they over-exploited it through their own perverted satisfactions on that tree, they've depleted it's ability to produce anything anymore beautyful and only ruined it for themselves.

Humanity, in all its modern splendor and magnificence has failed to evolve from it's own selfish consumptive ways... I fear only after the (one of the many) worst of potential ecological disasters will force mankind to smarten up and realize were all in on this together. Truely ask yourselves, what flock do you belong to?

My problem is; Unfortunatly most of the populas of modern man is that of an under-used mind-frame. In the big picture, this person is not much of an individual at all, aside from minor personality traits, this person overall is part of an almost uniform society. Their sense of community and "tradition" is part of that selfish "boomer" generation mindset. So their lives are sentimentally attatched to this parasitic way of life. In that, the vast numbers of these people are overwhelming, In that they will continue to multiply if not suggested otherwise through rigorous education or simply forced into a new mindset or the self-reliant way of life.

These people are what is 'filling the sewers'. And with all of the world's leading nations increasingly opening to this hyper consumptive totally corporate relied "cultural revolution." Surely the result of an overcrowding human population, especially that of mostly incompetant materialistic tools, will indefinatly result in a catastrophic end in the global ecosystem.

Do me this, ask yourself: Where do you see yourself in the future. Are you an individual or when it all boils down to the big picture, just another incompetant, lazy or selfish person feeding into the gravy train of economics and political incompetance or corruption.

because if so, i'll tell you man, it's a sin!

It doesn't exist, what is going on right now is what they call global warming but they had called it something else before, I forgot what it was called but it did have another name to it. Global warming wouldn't have cold nights and freaking hot days, it would be hot 24/7 everywhere, hints the name global warming.

What I think is going to happen even with the theory of the polar shift, that we will be in another ice age. The world evolves just like everything else. A lot of animals and people will be killed off, so with all the complaints about over population, well guess what stop crying it will be over soon, that an whoever thinks this may be going along with it.