10 Things I'll Bet You Did Not Know About John McCain

#1) Fellow captives report that nobody ever SAW McCain being tortured by the Vietnamese.

#2) Fellow captives report that McCain started spilling his guts to the Vietnamese as soon as he was brought in because he was so scared of being tortured.

#3) He was so cooperative with the Vietnamese that they call him the "Songbird".

#4) John McCain made anti-American broadcasts for the Vietnamese.

#5) John McCain admits that when he came back from Vietnam he ran around cheating on his disabled wife:

http://www.azcentral.com/news/specials/mcc...o-chapter5.html

#6) John McCain then divorced his disabled wife and married his current rich wife a couple months later with whom he was already having an ongoing relationship with.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/specials/mcc...o-chapter5.html

#7) McCain claims to be against abortion, but he was pro-choice in the 2000 election, and even in this election he says that he is against overturning Roe v. Wade anytime in the foreseeable future. Apparently the ongoing killing of about a million babies a year is just fine with McCain.

#8) McCain is in favor of "civil unions" for gay couples which would give them all the rights and all the benefits of a real marriage.

#9) McCain admitted recently that he is in favor of gay marriage ceremonies as long as they aren't considered "official" by the government as "official" marriages.

#10) Vietnam veterans identify John McCain as the number one person in Congress who is blocking their efforts to get information and action on the POWs who are still left behind in Vietnam. What is McCain trying to cover up?

After learning the facts about McCain, how can any American EVER vote for him?

Learn the shocking truth about McCain today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXT78jZ9Kw0

not going to vote for the bafoon, but you could at least do the same post on Obama and Clinton.

No way am I voting for McCain, but posts like this are disturbing to me. A lot of us objected and were disgusted when John Kerry's Vietnam heroics were dragged thru the mud by the Swiftboat ads -- the above information seems pretty much in the same vein. McCain was a POW, of that there is no doubt -- that's enough for me -- he's an American hero. It's easy to cast doubt on what happened 30+ years ago and muddy the waters with all kinds of unfair inuendo -- I didn't approve of it when they did it to Kerry, and I don't approve of it against McCain.

Everybdy forgets that war is a massively complex and confusing "game" -- it's easy to twist reality, and paint events in a negative light -- when the fact is, the soldiers on the ground face some very daunting choices -- very often no choice is a good choice -- they're just tryting to get through it alive or in one piece, and help out their fellow soldiers.

That's what McCain did, and he did it honorably.

He's the candidate I fear the most (due to his independent --> neocon transformation), but these kinds of posts are disgusting slander. He served the US, he let his comrades be released from prison before him. Overall he's quite an honorable guy, giving a lot of $ to charity, running probably the cleanest campaign (of the mainstream candidates), I kinda like him, but wouldn't want him as president at all.

btw, what's wrong with #9 and especially #8!? I hate all this homophobia and gays are less-human / inferior mentality.

Although I would never vote for him #8) and #9) look good to me too. How is it a bad thing that he wants two people that love each other to be together? Gay marriage should be allowed, and if he is against overturning Roe v. Wade that’s a good thing to.

*sounds trumpet*

Another biased, 'hit-and-run' topic from MandM... surprise, surprise...

works for me

#11) John McCain's name was mentioned in connection in the DC Madam Prostitution Case and "apparent suicide TODAY" of Madam Deborah Jeane Palfrey on the Alex Jones Show. Listen to audio interview here : http://www.infowars.com/media/230707palfrey.mp3

Ooohh... Not the famous Alex Jones... Conspiracy nutjob that runs around in his tighty whities, blanket cape with a tinfoil hat!

Is that the best you can do?

Give Alex a call..

He gives priority to nutjob comments like this..

I dare you to debate him on any topic.

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Unfortunately that's true. You could dig up plenty of dirt on all of them.

Hillary Clinton is such a fraud she makes me sick. McCain seems willing to go back and forth on just about any topic so much so that there is no way I could trust him. Not to mention the fact he is all gung-ho about this war, havig already said he has no problems with fighting it for up to another 100 years.

As for Obama, I know the least about him, but it seems more and more is coming to light. The comments from his pastor certaintly haven't helped his campaign or my image of him.

Drives me nuts that these are the people we are forced to pick from to become President of the United States. It's embarressing.

That's the system in place in the western world, and people seem to think it's good enough to spread around the world.

10 things that I don't care about and have a hard time believeing are 100% true..

saw this post earlier.. was thinking "sheesh, the guy was a POW ffs, i don't think any of us would have done better"


omg cradle, there's hope for you yet

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I'm not referring to the system itself, I'm referring to what it has left us in the United States to pick from.

But since you mentioned the system, there are a good number of things that are wrong with it. First thing that comes to mind at the moment is the fact that if you have money, you have a better chance of winning and/or being nominated. Another issue would be just how much those that contribute to a particular persons campaign benefit by doing so.

When the system was first put in place, I'm not so certain these were factors they thought would come into play to the extent that they have.

Wow. If this is truly the worst dirt someone can dig up on John McCain, then he must be one of the greatest human beings alive.

I mean, really...

"Get this...the man was afraid of being tortured!!!"

whats wrong with that?

umm duh...

They are EVIL beings that GOD created just so he could condemn, and torture them and US...

heh LOL

Give them their rights, they deserve them, and how is this even an issue? How does it affect you(topic poster) if you are not gay?

the issue with McCain and the torture is not that he caved or not. It's that he acts like some amazing tortured guy who never opened his mouth under the exteme pressure. Having said that, I don't know the truth in the matter. Did he crack? Did he somehow not crack? Whatever, I don't like him for other reasons, but I don't like hillary or Obama either.

If I could trust what Obama was saying I would vote for him in a heart beat. But what if he is just a pacifier?

~muddy

I could not agree more with what you said. Very well put.

Oh and believe me, they will.

However, if this wacked out list of nonsense by the OP is the best someone can do...I'm afraid the anti-McCain crowd is in for a struggle.
The Democrats make it easy, and more and more keeps coming out which paints either Clinton or Obama in a rather negative light. But no one's going to be able deny or criticize McCains status as a bonified American hero. Look at some of the things said on this list!



Which is about as meaningless as any piece of garbage I've ever heard. You mean no one had a ticket to McCain's torture sessions?
Unbelievable.



They must've had tickets to his interrogation sessions, however!




They were obviously in attendance for the taping sessions as well. Wonder why these haven't been played on mainstream television about a thousand time by now.


I mean really, this list is embarrasingly banal...






You know, that's the general tenor of this campaign. We keep having to settle for less than the first tier people. Quite frankly, there are a lot more negatives about Clinton and Obama...in their positions on key issues alone, not to mention the dirt surfacing and the dirt which will follow, than there are concerning McCain.

Nonetheless, the best candidates aren't present in this race, which is a pity.




I wonder when people are going to get it through their heads that neither of these issues has anything to do with the President of the United States.

Abortion has nothing to do with the Executive Office of the President. It's a matter for the Supreme Court to decide on...if the issue is brought before them and accepted.

...of course, we know full well that the President appoints Justices to the Federal bench. We already know what kind of Justices McCain favors, but still, the Court has to hear the case and act upon it, which has nothing to do with the President.

Gay marriage has nothing whatsoever to do with the Federal Government, and shouldn't. It's a state's rights matter, and that's where it should stay.



An eloquent statement.
However, there is little connection between a group of veterans who actually served with Kerry, and saw what he did and what he didn't do, and addressed not his only the details of his heroism but his outlandish statements about soldiers in Vietnam, which they found completely untrue and offensive--and nonsensical, unsupported, and moronic statements about McCain.

Kerry was made a fool of by the people who knew him and saw what happened. They didn't diminish his service...they merely pointed out his exaggerations. They didn't "drag his heroics through the mud", they merely shed a clear light on the nature of his heroics, and on his accusations.


There is no "POWs For Truth" out there denying McCain's established military record. I wouldn't put it past someone to try...but given the acknowledged record, it'll be a complete disaster for the accusers...

After reading that, I dont think Id vote for him, but he did serve our country, which is an honorable thing. But the last thing we need is another Clinton in the White House. Obama for 2008? I dont know...Who to vote for?

Those in Glass houses should not throw stones!

What I am trying to say that everybody and I mean everybody has skeletons in their closet and as far as skeletons go these aren’t to bad.

Just to cover a few points that I feel the need to be vocal about are:

• The first rule of surviving a POW type situation is to survive by any means necessary and if that means spill your guts (secrets) or record a anti state television broadcast you do it !

• Gay people should be allowed to get married as they have as much right to a happy relationship as any other human so if getting married makes them happy then so be it

.

• Women have the right to abortions, I know it’s not something we all agree with but we cant make decisions for other people otherwise it would be against their human rights.

• He left his divorced his wife/partner, millions of men and women do this every year and as they say "there are no rules for love or war", perhaps just maybe as sad as it sounds he might not have loved his Ex-Wife anymore, its only old fashioned thinking that makes people stay in loveless marriages.

No offence meant just my two cents worth

Here's a reason from WIKI.



Those of us old enough remember Reagan losing his mind. He was 70 when he took office. He was not in control of the government or his faculties in the end. Maybe that's what the Republicans want, someone who just bumbles around the white house while actual policy is made elsewhere. Personally, I NEVER want anyone that old in the whitehouse ever again and I am not a spring chicken. Just for grins lets examine McCain's age. He was a teenager from what, around 1948-1956. He was forty in 1976. Statistically, he could pass out cold reciting the oath of office. He's been living and working in the "beltway" since about 1982. About 25 years. Now personally, a lot of people living in Washington are completely clueless about the real world. Some of these fossils are growing attached to the woodwork. Some democrats and republicans alike. Now McCain did some military service and has to be commended for that. But here's a real sparkling comment. He was so good at it that 1) his carrier almost sank by his aircraft 2) crashed two other times 3) was shot down and captured. He was like a bad luck charm. Read his military history. I wouldn't want him anywhere near me let alone running the country.

Beg pardon, ma'am, your agenda is showing. You're completely wrong. Reagan's dementia came years after his presidential terms.

Alex Jones?! *barf*


It's a damn good system and all the other barbarians should conform to it! /end sarcasm



Well, that's society. All we pay attention to is what is advertised in the media. Even a Presidential election needs advertisement. Advertisement costs money. Go figure! How can you spread your message more than another person without the money to do so? Once you figure that out, then we'll have more (and better) candidates.


What a weakling!


Since you obviously have no idea what is contained in the Code of Conduct, let me post it for you (pay special attention to Articles III and V):

Article I

I am an American, fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.

Article II

I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist.

Article III

If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and to aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.

Article IV

If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners. I will give no information or take part in any action which might be harmful to my comrades. If I am senior, I will take command. If not, I will obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me and will back them up in every way.

Article V

When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give name, rank, service number, and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause.

Article VI

I will never forget that I am an American, fighting for freedom, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.

I agree with you 100% on that. At the moment though, and for decades past, money has unfortunately played way too much of a role in who it is that gets nominated and elected for the position of President. Not everyone realizes it, but it is an unfortunate reality.

Awesome MID don't know why I didn't see that, but probably becaue I get kind of peeved when people don't think other people should have equal rights. Just leave GAY people ALONE! let them marry jeez.

What is marriage anyway if it is not about love?

Back to what I was saying: Awesome post MID.

~Muddy

Publically yes. Privately no. He was losing it big time near the end of his term. Sorry to denigrate your hero.

Link? Source?

Not a hero, but you're making wildly unsubstantiated claims. I don't suppose you've a lick of proof?

Thanks, Muddy.
I agree with you...Leave the gay people alone. It's not a Federal matter, and I have no idea why any candidate hasn't simply said, "Drop it, I ain't got nothin' to do with that! It's a state's rights matter folks, read yer Constitution, and stop bore-assing me with the same old dung!"

And abortion...Lord it comes up every 4 damned years...why in hell has no candidate said the obvious?

"Folks, this is a matter for the courts, not for me, or for any President to decide. It doesn't matter what I think! If I'm President, I'll have responsibilities and things to do that I actually can do something about...abortion isn't one of them!"


Thanks again...

Most of us who are old enough to actually remember, don't remember any such thing about President Reagan.
He had complete faculties, a sharp wit, and strong mind, and an energy that was remarkable for someone who was 69 years old when he took office, was shot by a would be assasssin less than three months later, and joked about it!


Most of us who are in fact old enough to remember...remember the immediate end to the Iranian hostage crisis, and why that over 400 day captivity ended as it did.
We also remember the tax reductions, and the 1986 overhaul of the Federal Income Tax Code, the economic growth stimulus, the decrease in unemployment, and the stregthening of national defense, and the longest recorded period of peacetime prosperity without recession or depression that this country has ever known.

Most of us who are old enough remember peace through strength, and fully realize that this is the ONLY WAY that peace has ever been won in the modern world...and we remember the mid-range nuclear missile reductions, and of course, the first war against international terorism, which seems to have been forgotten by subsequent administrations.


And a few us remember the fall of the Soviet Union...


All this...by a man who was losing his mind...?


Not bad.


Not bad at all.

Ronald Reagan is, and will be viewed by history, as one of the greatest Presidents in this nation's history. He wasn't losing his mind. He had a mind and a will and a vigor that was remarkable.

We need another one.

McCain is not that person. Of course, Clinton and Obama won't even come close. In fact, those two may well do more harm than good. This post is simply to address the nonsensical idea that President Reagan EVER lost his faculties while he was President of the United States. He was in complete control of everything he did, and what he did was some of the most beneficial stuff this country's ever seen.

This kind of thing bugs the heck out of me. I am not really politically aligned with the guy, but he served his country ( more than can be said of most of the people maligning him in this disgusting way) and did so in rather a proud fashion.

Just like so many other things...timing is everything. Whats the motivation for now? why didnt these people come forward 30 years ago?

The timing of this is soooo convenient. Too convenient. Swiftboat. Swiftplane. Swiftbambooprisonforfiveyears. Whatever. These guys pop out of the woodwork at a rather convenient time to say some nasty things that cant be confirmed. Typical. There are medical records to back up McCains torture story, these guys are full of it.

The guy was a POW for 5+ years, and the surprising thing is that he didnt have to be. Most people dont know that. He had the chance to leave:



So hey, yeah...take a bunch of stuff out of context, make up a bunch of lies, and then judge a man for something you yourself have never gone through or could even fathom. Good stuff.

What does that say about the country that the greatest president was a traitor and a religious fanatic?

I think what President Reagan did during his 8 years, and the state of the United States during that time is adequately reflective of a country on the upswing in a manner it had never been during peacetime.

I think that ignoring that in favor of the nonsensical notion that Ronald Reagan was a traitor and a religious fanatic speaks volumes to the present state of the country.

It's not good.

However, the statement is rather typical these days, which is mighty distressing. I do believe George Bush has been referred to in similar fashion (and perhaps in even worse terms), despite the fact that it too is a completely unfounded, virtually nonsensical position.

Couldn't have put it better myself, Fluff.

People ought to be ashamed for being such jerks, and thinking they've got some insight in to John McCain, or his experience as a POW, and for thinking they, who have lived in comfort, have any right to judge such a man as he for something he did while being viciously tortured in a Viet Nam prison camp.

We've seen it before. Some American prisoner (or from whatever nation), making an anti-American statement...gun toting interrogators standing around. How anyone can think it means anything at all is beyond me...other than that the speaker has been tortured to the breaking point. It's a heinous tactic employed by third world countries in an attempt to dishearten.

It never works. Any intelligent feeling person should fully understand what it is, and never judge anyone for doing so...because they haven't been tortured and lived in hell like that person, whose very life depends upon making the statement!

Yet, we hear idiotic comments referring to the person as weak, or even traiterous.

How utterly lazy, weak, and stupid such a position is. Such comments should produce shame.

I could care less if obama was a prior devilworshiper and ATE babies. He is , imo, the ONLY candidate.
McCain belongs in the wax museum on hollywood literally (god how I despise him and his runaround no-answer answers) and hillary is like an image with no substance. Really I believe this is her way of getting back at bill for cheating (IN OFFICE! where she imagines herself-hah!) and no way no how would I EVER EVER let that person have this power over any man much less all of them. b**** is brewing. lying sack of sh** anyways

Perfect.
The Obama "rock star" paradigm exemplified.
The only candidate...even if he was a devil worshipper and ate babies!

That's rare. That's amazing...talk about blind love!

I'm thinking perhaps you may have been one of the many who fainted in his esteemed presence at one of his "change without substance" rallies...you know, that phenomenon that recently vanished in the face of Wright, and which will really plague him once Ayers is fully fleshed out in the open ?

I'm thinking that probably won't mean much to you...after all, neither one of those things comes to the level of eating babies, and you're with him even if he does that!




Gotta hand it to you though...other than the rather obscure remarks about McCain's non-answers (?), you do, for some reason, have Hillary pegged.

If you were trying to make a point, I think you messed it up. For whatever reasons it is that you think Obama is a wonderful choice for President, commenting on how you could care less about anything he's done in the past makes your point of view about the man rather useless.



I don't like McCain as a Presidential option either, but his age is far from my main reason for thinking so. My main thing against him is how he comes off as if he'll be just as supportive of this war as Bush is, and that is something I don't want. Other than that however, he seems to switch his stance on too many things for me to trust he'd stick to making decisions based on whatever principles he has, or what it is the people want. I actually liked him in 2004 when I first started recognizing him. In the 4 years since then however my thoughts about McCain have changed a good bit - and not for the better.



Hillary is a fraud, though her sex has nothing to do with whether I'd vote for her or not.

Even if I liked Hillary, I still think I'd refuse to vote for her simply because I think it's a disgrace that in America we would allow two families to control the country for more than the last two decades. It bothers me enough as it is that Bush and Bush Jr. managed to control the White House for 12 of the past 20 years.

bull. I work within the DC beltway and am in my late 40's. Anyone in this area of the country who had or has any connection with the government could tell you about the hundreds of Reagan meetings and interviews that were canceled or postponed towards the end of his presidency because he "wasn't feeling up to par". The country was being governed by the political machine of cronies that he had ushered into power in his first term.

Reagan didn't mention the word "AIDS" in public until 8,000 people had died. He was aware that the disease was fatal and another 52,000 cases in America had been verified. His first comment was that the problem was among gays and therefore it was best to let it "take care of itself". His compassion for people he disagreed with was on a par with the friggin' Nazis. He raised the quality of life in America by defining the groups he trampled down as non-Americans. I'm sick of this ongoing deification of a senile, corrupt a******.

-He should have been impeached from the moment the Iran-Contra scandal hit the press.

-He had very little to do with the implosion of the Soviet Union. It collapsed on it's own. If anyone deserves credit it's Gorbachev.

-The left wing was pathetic at that time too, but their vacuous p.c. conceit doesn't justify the vacuous conceit of Ronald Reagan.

The only thing I respect about him was his taste in women-- Nancy was a class act. Also he handled the hostage crisis well.

When he passed away the headline in the online newspaper "The Onion" was Reagan's Body Dies. I found it offensive on behalf of his widow but I thought it summed him up pretty well.

**-post edited after darkninja pointed out that I unintentionally quoted a McCain post instead of a Reagan post. McCain's not bad. Thanks, darkninja


He was a morally bankrupt piece of testosterone-drenched lard.

At the time he became president the United States was floundering around like a boat without a rudder. Carter's disasterous handling of the hostage crisis dramatized the fact that left wing extremism had destroyed America. So he got elected and pulled the country back from the brink. ANY Republican who was elected would have pulled it back from the brink. There were dozens of Republicans who were much more qualified morally and intellectually.

I do not respect a man who allowed thousands of Americans who offended his sexual sensibilities to die on the roadside unassisted, while he passed himself off as a super-hero. To me that fails to meet my minimal criteria for how decent human beings behave.

Tell us how you really feel.

How did you get from McCain to Carter? I'm just confuzzled, now...

You're right, darkninja. My rant addressed Mid's Raegan post, not Fluffybunny's (which was about McCain). Thanks, I'll edit that.

I hated Reagan but I respect McCain.

That makes it clear...how you really feel.


I remember now...all those pictures of Ronnie ignoring thousands of Americans and allowing them to die on the roadside because they offended his sexual sensibilities (???). I try to forget that...

Just like I try to ignore Bush's criminal conduct and his super right wing religious fanaticism and his treason.
Minor issues, really...


Thanks for reminding me!




I agree with the premise, but not the rant.
Left wing extremism was in the process of destroying America. It wasn't dead yet.



Yes, dozens. I remember them all...

HINT: Reagan was a consevative, not a Republican. There's a decided difference...today, as there was then. It escapes lots of people.
Additionally, Reagan ended the hostage crisis because he knew how...by following his principals, and he in fact had it planned prior to taking office. The hostage takers knew this, and they knew what Reagan would do...which is why they released the hostages immediately upon his taking the Oath of Office.

Rants are rarely helpful, but they do tend to bring forth some pretty over-the-top ideas...




I must confess, I never heard that opinion of Reagan before, from anyone.
It's unique, if not somewhat off the wall...

HINT: It's a metaphor MID. An epidemic starts in 1981. 60,000 Americans are stricken. 8,000 die. There's an announcement that the disease has gotten into the national blood supply. No comment from Reagan. Six years into the epidemic Reagan finally speaks up to say this is God and nature's response to the gay community and the government should not engage in sexual education concerning the spread of AIDS.

What a leader.

And then who in our generation can forget Reagan's dramatic quote, "I am a contra"? What's a little behind-the-scenes politics between friends, eh?



You think so? Gee maybe we could draft another cast member from the film "Bedtime for Bonzo". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedtime_for_Bonzo

wiki is junk

I wouldn't call Bush a traitor, but I would call someone who sold weapons to a sworn enemy a traitor. Afghanistan was justified, Iraq as an extension of earlier conflict which was started by the US when they put Saddam in power was justified. Bush horribly mismanaged things, sure, but he had good intentions(and thats probably all he had). Reagan refused to talk about AIDS and HIV because of it's links with the gay community, and failed to put in place a system which educated people about the dangers of HIV and how it can be avoided.

Are the benefits of his reign still around? If his system was so great why hasn't it been repeated by the Reagan Fanboys in power? All we're left with is the legacy of his administrations backing of crackpots in Afghanistan and Iraq. There is more blood on his hands than on any of the other presidents since the end of the Vietnam war combined.

No. The benefits of his Presidency started dying once he left office. The results have been clear and very obvious.




There are no Reagan Fanboys around today in power...if you knew anything about the political sphere that exists today, you'd know that.



Whew...that's extreme.
And exceedingly unknowledgable of the actual mechanisms that took place, and which resulted in what we see today.

We're actually left with a legacy of American prosperity and advancement that we haven't seen since...but, opinions are opinions, and everyone's entitled to them, no matter how off base they may be...

I suppose well just have to be content with President Obama or President Clinton--the promiser of "change" (completely un-defined change, of course), and the other the promiser of whatever, I don't know...save more of the old and very tired prior, if not failed policies.


...and of course, guaranted higher taxes, guaranteed higher fuel prices, and food prices, and practically everything else...which is the result of governmental adherence to their policies in the first place

Of course, I can guarantee you that if McCain gets elected, although better for the country than either Clinton or Obama could ever be, there will probably be a 30-50% disagreement with him by consertvatives (in fact, conservatives are having a hard time determining exactly where he stands at the moment, since he's pandering to everyone at the moment).

All in all it's a choice between perhaps adeqauate and utterly detrimental at this time in history.