We all know about demons, ghosts, spirits, and most of us on this website believe in all of that. BUT... is there a God??????

I would think we have the Holy Bible as proof- But other than that, we don't have any proof at all- or- that's what I think.
(I'm not christian)

What do you think????
Is there proof????

No.

Yes. There is a God. But not the way most think of Him/Her. God is a energy or power that made all things. God doesn't judge us because of free will. We have to account for ourselves. Since we are matter and matter doesn't die we go back to God.

there is proof there is a god question is what is god.

we have had several gods over time so the original Truth may be lost to us.

There is no god. The idea of god shall serve one purpose in the future, a character in fictional fantasy novels.

Yes there is a God and he loves you. You're not going to find him in this forum though so I suggest that you do read the bible. Start with Psalms, Proverbs and then go to John. Regards.

Yes. Others might think differently but the Bible tells how God is real, how He is the Word, and the Word was made flesh in Jesus. They are all the same though others might disagree. He is also a Spirit. Through reading Him and praising and prayer to Him we can have Him come within us to know for certain it is not just fiction but Truth and real. Belief is the first step and we can even say:



Others might have different paths and ways to commune with the Spirit or even spirits. This is what works for me.

Yes there is a God, and he loves you. Start by reading the Quran then some other Islamic books that I don't know the name of... regards.

Personally I saw no.
If there is he'll be getting a lecture on responsibility when I die.

Pick your argument: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_...xistence_of_God

Ontological could be fun. Cosmological is fun. Teleological makes people really mad really fast.

Yes.....By whatever name you choose to call him...Yes

By what ever element you believe him to be made of...Yes

Love

As opposed to the rest of the people here, I'll give you a straight answer.

"I and we dont know." There could be, or there could not be.

we all know about what, now? Demons? Spirits? why didn't you add fairies and leprechauns?
And no. There is no god. Sorry about that.

Good question, in my point of view. Is there a common viable proof of God? No, I don't think so, because we really haven't seen it with our eyes, each and everyone one of us. The holy bible as proof?, I'm not so sure about that. In my life and experiences, I can't use that. I grew up secular, with never owning and reading the bible. I never went to a regular church service, so in a lot of ways, the organized way of knowing God, I am unfamiliar with, maybe in that sense it's proof, but to everyone? I also work with books, and one book is just like the other to me. I also see so many versions of the bible, and books on how to read the bible. It doesn't make sense to me, how that can be proof.

I'm not an Atheist, and in one sense, I believe in a higher power, probably God, but that is my own proof. The idea I think you are asking, is actually everybody sees it proof. I don't think that has happened yet.

............<<>> You know 'Clovis' I have found that people who slam (The Word of GOD) have never even read the Word, and others are usually backsliders that run to serve some other gods. These other gods tell them what they want hear; don't worry you won't go to (Hell) for your (Sin) when you die. You will just be reborn to start all over until you get it right. They don't want to endure sound doctrine from a pure and Holy (GOD). Scriptures like (Heb.9:27) As it is appointed for man to die once, but after this the (Judgment). And (THE GREAT APOSTASY)-(1 Tim.4:1-2)- verse-1- Now the Spirit expressly says in latter times some will depart from the faith , giving heed to deceiving Spirit and doctrines of Demons. verse- 2- Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron. I feel sorry for people like this when they stand before the true (GOD) of Heaven. Because then Satan, his Angels, and his Demons will be laughing at them because they believed the lie and lived in (ALL) the false (Doctrine) he started for people on earth...................Joey.

Do you think the laugh will really sound like "MWAH HA HA HA HA" ?

I personally see no proof of the Judeo-Christian God but thats just me.

I believe in God. and saying that I also know outside of what I feel -------- there is no proof whatsoever. no book , no person , no claim. not the earth , sky or sun. just being honest.

that's your opinion joey ------- far from fact. remember that.

Is there a God? Yes, God exists - no question. I can't prove it to you. To paraphrase The Oracle in The Matrix - “Knowing God to be real is like being in love. No-one can tell you you’re in love. You just know it, through and through, balls to bone.” To me, it is just plainly obvious God exists, and to me, it is plainly obvious that this God is the one described in the Bible. But there is no way I can convince anyone else of this, nor is it up to me to do so.

All the best,

~ Regards, PA

Most of that is true. But I always remember the Bible says those who do not follow the Word will be judged on their conscience. There are many good people who just want to get by in life, some faithful some not, they harbor no hatred to others not even to God or might even follow other paths, these people will be up there in heaven. It is good to know. For anyone who will not make it I do not feel one bit sorry for them, they are not my responsibility, they have free will, we all make our beds and have to lie in them. Also there is another type of people who slam the Word. They have been hurt tremendously in their life by those who profess they are of the Word. The devil uses these people that scare others into believing, or the people that reject others who do not believe, and causes many, thousands, perhaps millions, to flee from the Word. Some people who have their own churches preach fire and brimstone, others preach only the Cross, others preach only love, if and when I have my church I will preach mainly the Resurrection and Ascension. For the Spirit gives us new life and one day we shall ascend. Love you brother.




Awesome stuff yo!

nope no god

Matter is perception mate, you think that the physical reality you see is real, its simply your brain calculating the electrical signals from your nerves and it then indicated what it is. Matter is simply perception its true reality is unkown, if this is the case, then the perception must be as a result of someone or something projecting the perception.



God was made flesh in to jesus, or his word was, meaning a manifestation of god, god himself, came and spent nine months in mary's womb, needed breast feeding, nappy changing, call of nature, fed, slept etc. Hmmm sound more like human than god.

So which god do you see proof for.



The Sun, the sky, the solar system, the Universe, everything is proof of gods existence. See unique state of the earth, the perfect harmony and balance in the unvierse, solar system earth and nature. If these things are not under control or created, but came as a product of chance, is ridiculous.

Indeed Ozi. We are like bacteria on fingernails attempting to define what man is and to take it further to define what the world and universe is. Standing on the beach looking at the vastness of the sea and the sky tells me we are very small indeed in both stature and understanding regardless of our scientific and technological advances.

The linked wiki article was one of the more interesting i have read on the issue, presenting, albeit briefly, such a wide variety of viewpoints. Two comments. The arguments for and against were pretty much equal, if opposite. Generallly it comes down to your philosophical mindset or belief.

Most people have never experienced god in a physical form, and thus have to adopt one or another belief positions along a very wide spectrum, from absolute denial to absolute acceptance. Only those, like myself, who have experienced physical evidence of the existence of an entity most societies have called god, by one name or another, do not have a choice about belief.

We only have a choice about the attribution, nature and purpose of god. That is quite enough for me to ponder on. I would absolutely be a complete atheist and was, without physical evidence of god's reality, and i have considerable empathy for all those people who chose a position of disbelief, based on the logical assesment, and weighing of the evidence available to them.

This, however, does not make them any less completely, and absolutely, wrong in their chosen belief position.

I find it difficult to empathise with, or understand, the majority of believers who believe in god simply through faith. This makes no sense to me. Having loved, and lived with, such a person for over 30 years, i can see how their minds may create a belief which approaches absolute conviction based on "faith" alone..

It is very close to the concept of humanity creating god from our evolved sentience and psychological make up. However, i no longer believe that the original gods were created this way.

My experience leads me to accept that most religions and faiths grew from the physical experiences of people who actually encountered god.

This so shaped their lives, and changed their world views, that they became almost unstoppable forces in the spread of their particular religious beliefs. They were not preaching and writing about a philosophical construct, but about intense and life shaping experiences.

Because of the nature of god, and that of humanity and the physical difficulty of effective communication between the two (especially given the limited cultural and scientific knowledge of earlier humans) god has developed many shapes, forms and variants in human perceptions, beliefs and religions.

All i can say, from my personal experience, is that god is a physical being. It has either a technical ability so advanced it appears to us like magic, or it has inherent abilities in its nature which allow it to manipulate both matter and energy. It exists both throughout the physical universe, and throughout the whole linear time scape. Thus it knows and experiences what will happen, at the same time as what is happening, and what has happened. This enables it to provide accurate visions of the future and also to intervene at critical nodes in time ,to change the web of events from one potentiality to another.

It has no problem performing the physical miracles attributed to it in the bible, and i see no reason why, given its nature/abilitys, it could not resurrect in physical form, and in stored memories/sentience/ soul any, or every, human being that ever existed.

The most fascinating thing is its interest in humanity. While there may be no real evidence that it created us, it tells us that it did, and it certainly acts as a very interested observer in human events.

Most people. .. never seem to encounter the physical side of god, even tangentially, for their entire lives. However, there is a considerable minority who is touched physically by his existence, to a greater or lesser extent, and who accept or acknowledge the physical reality of god to varying degrees. Then there are some people(and im still not sure if they are blessed or cursed) whom god takes a particular interest in, for some reason.

Some become prophets and visionaries or religious leaders. Some go mad, because god simply cannot fit into the sane and rational world they have occupied. Most, probably like me, just trundle along, highly appreciative of divine intervention in our lives but also more than a litttle bemused. We are careful what we say, and who we talk to in our everyday lives. We may simply accept, or we may spend our lives looking for answers which can integrate our own experienced reality into the greater common reality of existence

I am extremely fortunate that, for many of my paranormal/supernatural/religious experiences, i have had independent witness verification, or physical evidence for their occurence. I am also extremely lucky that i am a very grounded person, not easily disturbed by anything and not particularly introspective. I have always tried to be rational and logical about everything i experience.

If not for these factors, i think it highly likely that the existence of god in my life would have caused me as much harm as good. However, for me, it has been the defining and definitive thing in my life, and has completely reconstructed my world view on almost every subject.

It has been an absolute force for good in every aspect of my life, and on my relationship with the world, and the people, around me.

There is no evidence at all to suggest that a god exists. None. So I'm an atheist.

Yes, there is a God I believe and we cannot define what it is or how it actually functions anymore than we can determine the starting point of all sentience. It is a big universe, but we are learning.

As long as we keep a humble attitude that there likely a bigger badder dog on the universal block than man and we do not do anything too outrageous, I think we will be alright.

i disagree, but i think there is no proof to suggest he does not.

I prefer to believe that someone is innocent until proven guilty, so my wiring leans towards God exists until proven non-existant.

No, if something does not exist, there cannot be proof of it's non-existance. It's called non-falsifiablity.

And there is no evidence for god. If you think you have some, write a paper about it. If you are correct, you have answered the question that theologians have been unable to answer for thousands of years. Also, you will win a nobel prize and such.

So I assume that you believe in fairies and unicorns and flying spaghetti monster until proven non-existant? Your logic is ridiculous.

And no, your "innocent until proven guilty" analogy is incorrect, because a statement about one's innocence is falsifiable, unlike the statement that god exists.

the answer to this is based entirley on perception. there is no right or wrong answer. no true or false answer.

Yes there is. God either exists or he doesn't.

Our instincts are pretty good. Ancient man believed unseen living creatures were harming and killing them. They sensed patterns and created stories based upon the patterns they could follow.
Today we know these creatures were real and exist on the microscopic level as bacteria and viruses.
Don't sell the human race short. They are pretty smart animals.

Falsification tests are a good method of proving something is right. This is why things like the evolution theory fail miserable because its offers alot of falsification tests and fails it, showing its merely theory and not fact, it has no credible basis, but in political sense to keep the capatalist ideology alive and the notion of the survival of the fittest, everyone for themselves.

You say something does not exist, you cannot prove its non existence, firstly you assume he does not exist, you dont base it any proof that there is no god, its an assumption and you follow that by another assumption.

No. My whole point is taking the course of action you'd think gives you the advantage. If you wanna believe in fairies and unicorns because it makes you happy? Sure, go ahead and believe in them if that's what an 'advantage' means to you. I also do have the belief the tone on your reply could be a bit better..

So you think God's existence isn't falsifiable? Isn't that what you're doing now?

Diseases were attributed to millions of different things, such as curses, spirits, vengeful gods, etc, etc.. Your statement, even if it was true, which it isn't, wouldn't prove that we have good instincts, nor would it make the existance of fairies, unicorns and flying spaghetti monsters any more probable.

What are you on about? What is a falsification test? I'm talking about the concept falsifiability.

And sure, you can declare that evolution is a lie and a conspiracy theory of the capitalists, but that doesn't mean you are right. The only thing that matters is the evidence, all of which supports evolution.

And a scientific theory does not mean what you think it means. It isn't a guess, or whatever. It is a model for explaining facts.

What do you think about the theory of heliocentrism?

How can you criticize science when you are so headsmitingly ignorant?

What are you talking about? I am saying that there is no reason to believe in god, because there is no evidence that he exists.

Just like there is no evidence for the flying spaghetti monster, so there is no reason to think that he exists.

I think The individual need seek for himself, Not have someone else prove or disprove God The creator of their spirit.

That is how I did it, walking and Talking with Father (God) Ever since I ran away at 11.

Now that I know Father intimatly in this life, I need not prove anything.But I do pray that all those seeking do find the unconditional love Of Father and Mother (GOD).

No one can tell another what to believe, Or create their Faith for them. This is something that the interested will do for himself/ Herself.

Love Omnaka

I actually agree with this, and feel this one hundred percent. Only if one is not told to do so. It's up to each and everyone, at their own pace, and at their own encouraging.

Perhaps, but they'd still be wrong.

First you agree with me and then disagree in the same sentence.
I suspect you have too much emotional investment in this topic for some reason to view it logically.

The pattern they sense and are trying to follow is what they identify as God.
What they imagine God to be and what it actually is may be a different as a unicorn is in image to that of a virus, but the effects that mark out the pattern they are following may be very alike.

They strongly sense they are not alone.

I do not know whether god is there or not. i am not looking for a scientific proof any more. i used to before so i was an atheist. now i believe he is there but he is not going to solve my problems. it is up to me to make a decision and also bear the consequence. it is going to be my 'karma' which makes me to choose my path. i am now religious but not traditional. i will only agree to the traditions which makes sense and nothing i will follow blindly. this is the free will and i believe it is a form of god.

How so?

If you believe so, point out my lack of logic.

What pattern?

Right, they thought that the cause of their diseases and such was god. But it turned out to be germs. Therefore...?

If you count microbes as company, then they knew they weren't alone - there were animals everywhere.

But how do you know what they "sensed" anyway?

just like you and me and everybody else.. either we exist or we don't . Matter of perception .

No, it's not a matter of perception.

What we call God is the conscience of the Universe, nothing more, nothing less.
This 'God' did not create everything, matter of fact God doesn't create anything.
Vibrations create everything, including the creation of God (our Universe's conscience)

I think that, if scientists got off their collective lazy, predjudiced, atheist asses and tried to empirically find God, they might actually do it. You can't find something you don't look for. If God is real, their should be a "smoking gun" that science can detect, but no-one has ever tried.

Ok, vampire, i am going to say alot of people are just going to blurt out crap in this forum, that is not a question to ask others, it is a question to ask yourself. do not take other peoples word, you must either find him in your heart, or look to reason and exclude yourself from religion, or follow whatever path you may choose.

Religion currupts people vampire, that is why i follow none. War in Iraq, it is half religion/ half money. thats all the fight is about. that is what turns the world. BTW the holy bible cannot count as substantial proof seeing how any numbskull could have wrote it. believe what you want, i do not believe however.


this is your choice, not mine, not anyone elses, they do not tell you what to believe, for then you shall not truely believe in it yourself.

i hope you understand.

But, can you notate a single legitimate scientific study attempting to prove or disprove the exisitance of God? One single study?