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WEREGIRL666
QUOTE (Leon S. Kennedy @ May 8 2008, 09:43 AM) *
Truth be told.. zombies wouldn't care about the cold, it would affect you more in the end then anything.. and heaters won't work because there wouldn't be global power if you would have to go as far as alaska in the first place.

Blood freezes and if they had no blood they would be dust so yeah !!! ALASKA!! EVER HEAR OF FIRE?
Leon S. Kennedy
QUOTE (WEREGIRL666 @ May 8 2008, 09:45 AM) *
Blood freezes and if they had no blood they would be dust so yeah !!! ALASKA!! EVER HEAR OF FIRE?



It would take a lot more than the cold in alaska to freeze blood effectively, and i'll give ya fire... but wheres the food?
WEREGIRL666
QUOTE (Leon S. Kennedy @ May 8 2008, 09:49 AM) *
It would take a lot more than to freeze blood effectively, and i'll give ya fire... but wheres the food?

squirrls elk carabo
Leon S. Kennedy
QUOTE (WEREGIRL666 @ May 8 2008, 09:50 AM) *
squirrls elk carabo



We are still talking about a world wide outbreak right... cause if thats the case it would more than likey be air-born and would have infected or just killed all of the wildlife... if our oil pipes and drilling don't do it before that -.-
Asteroth
Any form of fire arm that would completly destroy them. A simple handgun wouldn't do much damage to something that's allready dead. Flamethrowers, bazookas, grenades, molotov cocktails, and very heavy machine guns would turn them into dust. Or maybe even a type of rifle or canon that fires capsules with liquid nitrogen. The capsule breaks and releases the liquid nitrogen after it hits the target, and freezes it. After the zombies are frozen, all you have to do is shatter them.

Or one of my favorites would be a modified type of combine harvester, to chop away whole crowds of zombies by just simply driving over them and turning them into sushi.
euthanasia
the only problem with that is that they are still like normal people just dead...
they would go around the harvester and get you and you would die
Asteroth
QUOTE (euthanasia @ May 8 2008, 04:15 PM) *
the only problem with that is that they are still like normal people just dead...
they would go around the harvester and get you and you would die


Offcourse with modified I meant in a militairy way. There are plenty of ways to protect the armoured harvester against zombies. Armoured windows and doors would be enough really, aslong as they're locked.
NeoGenesis
QUOTE (Asteroth @ May 8 2008, 05:25 PM) *
Offcourse with modified I meant in a militairy way. There are plenty of ways to protect the armoured harvester against zombies. Armoured windows and doors would be enough really, aslong as they're locked.


Another good implementation is you can use the grain tank as a armored pillbox,take em down from the side and back.GONA HAVE US SOME GOOD HARVEST THIS SEASON YHEE HAW!!!. grin2.gif
Yorgmiester
Kk addressing the go into the wild idea,which several ppl have said wouldn't work.Yes,it would.Here's the supposed reasons why it wouldn't work:
1.Provisions don't last forever. Hmmm....unless all the animals,plants,and water suddenly disappear,you're gonna have enough provisions to last you a looooong time thumbsup.gif
2.Fuel won't last forever. What do you need fuel for?It's not like there are roads out there.If there are you're too close to civilization.
3.If the virus is airborne then all the animals will die or be infected. if the virus is airborne then you'll be a zombie already thumbsup.gif

As for going to alaska,idk about whether the cold will stop the zombies,but just the fact that it's barely inhabited makes it a good place to go.Northern canada would work too.
Plainbob13
Come on. The best way to survive a zombie attak is kids. You get yourself 5 or 6 kids. When the zombies attck throw a kid. While they are eaten run. Repeat as needed till you get away or run out of kids.
NeoGenesis
QUOTE (Plainbob13 @ May 8 2008, 08:44 PM) *
Come on. The best way to survive a zombie attak is kids. You get yourself 5 or 6 kids. When the zombies attck throw a kid. While they are eaten run. Repeat as needed till you get away or run out of kids.


laugh.gif .There is nothing more to say.
Leon S. Kennedy
QUOTE (Asteroth @ May 8 2008, 10:30 AM) *
Any form of fire arm that would completly destroy them. A simple handgun wouldn't do much damage to something that's allready dead. Flamethrowers, bazookas, grenades, molotov cocktails, and very heavy machine guns would turn them into dust. Or maybe even a type of rifle or canon that fires capsules with liquid nitrogen. The capsule breaks and releases the liquid nitrogen after it hits the target, and freezes it. After the zombies are frozen, all you have to do is shatter them.

Or one of my favorites would be a modified type of combine harvester, to chop away whole crowds of zombies by just simply driving over them and turning them into sushi.



Way way to video game-ish. I think this was meant to see what pple would do in a realistic situation and you would more than likely not have access to any of those weapons.
Asteroth
QUOTE (Leon S. Kennedy @ May 8 2008, 10:04 PM) *
Way way to video game-ish. I think this was meant to see what pple would do in a realistic situation and you would more than likely not have access to any of those weapons.


You're suprised by my input? This topic is about zombies lol. That's as video game-ish as it gets. Besides the liquid nitrogene, I would actually be suprised if the army wouldn't use the weapons I mentioned, and even normal people would most likely atleast try to get acces to those weapons. But as I seemingly oversaw the intention of this topic... I think in a realistic situation, people would most likely hide in order to survive. People would defend themselves rather then actually attack the zombies (atleast untill they find out a plan to solve the situation). And to fight the zombies they would most likely use the tools they can get their hands on like molotov cocktails, knives, baseball bats, hunting rifles and maybe small handguns.
Roughneck
QUOTE (Leon S. Kennedy @ May 8 2008, 09:43 AM) *
Truth be told.. zombies wouldn't care about the cold, it would affect you more in the end then anything.. and heaters won't work because there wouldn't be global power if you would have to go as far as alaska in the first place.


Actually, while they might not notice it, zombies can still freeze to death. After all, they still have an organic body. The brain, heart, muscles, joints, and everything that is part of the organic body is rendered frozen when exposed to sub-zero temperatures for too long. When a body is naturally frozen, the organs shut down and die. The brain still needs to be supplied with blood to function even if it's a zombified brain. All you need to do in a place like Alaska in the winter is lock yourself in a well-barricaded place and build a fire for a few days. After awhile, you'll notice that every zombie outside will have died because of inadequate cold-weather protection. The same applies for hyperthermia, where the body dies because it absorbs more heat than it can dissipate. Zombies still have human bodies. Unless they're some kind of voodoo or Hellish-zombies.

Besides, you can make heat from things such as wood, which is plentiful in Alaska. It's not like humanity (notably Eskimos) had industrial parks that produced electricity before the 19th-century.

QUOTE (Asteroth @ May 8 2008, 10:30 AM) *
Any form of fire arm that would completly destroy them. A simple handgun wouldn't do much damage to something that's allready dead. Flamethrowers, bazookas, grenades, molotov cocktails, and very heavy machine guns would turn them into dust. Or maybe even a type of rifle or canon that fires capsules with liquid nitrogen. The capsule breaks and releases the liquid nitrogen after it hits the target, and freezes it. After the zombies are frozen, all you have to do is shatter them.


Explosives have the chance of killing or wounding a human survivor, though. It also has the chance of destroying certain parts of the surrounding area which could result in you being trapped, crushed, etc... However, it's still a good option, especially if you happen to be surrounded by a large horde of the living dead. Just be really careful.

Also, it'd have to be a lot of liquid nitrogen to completely freeze the zombie, which isn't exactly as easily available as a baseball bat.

QUOTE (NeoGenesis @ May 8 2008, 01:28 PM) *
Another good implementation is you can use the grain tank as a armored pillbox,take em down from the side and back.GONA HAVE US SOME GOOD HARVEST THIS SEASON YHEE HAW!!!. grin2.gif


That depends on how many zombies are near that grain bin. If you don't have enough ammunition to kill every zombie three times (also good marksmanship), it's too risky to just expose yourself, especially in or on a place like a grain bin, which can easily be surrounded, and thus, you'd be trapped. Though it would be a great sniping position if there were only a few scattered zombies and you had plenty of ammo to pick them off (also good marksmanship).

QUOTE (Plainbob13 @ May 8 2008, 03:44 PM) *
Come on. The best way to survive a zombie attak is kids. You get yourself 5 or 6 kids. When the zombies attck throw a kid. While they are eaten run. Repeat as needed till you get away or run out of kids.


I endorse this tactic.
WEREGIRL666
QUOTE (Leon S. Kennedy @ May 8 2008, 09:52 AM) *
We are still talking about a world wide outbreak right... cause if thats the case it would more than likey be air-born and would have infected or just killed all of the wildlife... if our oil pipes and drilling don't do it before that -.-

if it was air born then it would have killed all humans 2...but if it where contact spread then we would be ok .........eat the rats not all of em can be infected pluse un der exterme temps the virus may not stand cold
euthanasia
and what about the people who are immune? then it'd be possible to eat the animals
WEREGIRL666
QUOTE (euthanasia @ May 9 2008, 07:28 AM) *
and what about the people who are immune? then it'd be possible to eat the animals

if some people are then some animals have to be....and fish
euthanasia
i was saying that it would be possible to eat them if you were immune
WEREGIRL666
true but killing them eh...diff story...eww blood....mmmm deeerrrrr!!!!! wow im always debating wit u
euthanasia
eww blood? girly...lol jk but anyways if you were really despirate then you would not care about the blood and you would want to eat the deer
WEREGIRL666
QUOTE (euthanasia @ May 9 2008, 07:59 AM) *
eww blood? girly...lol jk but anyways if you were really despirate then you would not care about the blood and you would want to eat the deer

ill eat it raw if it where life or death....mmm chop seuy
euthanasia
we agree on something!!!!!

vinicine is sooooooooooooooooooo good
WEREGIRL666
QUOTE (euthanasia @ May 9 2008, 08:18 AM) *
we agree on something!!!!!

vinicine is sooooooooooooooooooo good

yay but i also like snake its good
euthanasia
hmmm...never tried it...heard it's like all bone and muscle
WEREGIRL666
QUOTE (euthanasia @ May 9 2008, 08:38 AM) *
hmmm...never tried it...heard it's like all bone and muscle

the skin is good and so is the muscel
euthanasia
lol
WEREGIRL666
QUOTE (euthanasia @ May 9 2008, 08:41 AM) *
lol

what?!? lol its true we eat it in mexico
euthanasia
i think we're getting kinda off track...lets talk about...what was it again? zombies? oh yea, zombies. those are boring killed all of 'em wit my chainsaw...while you guys were trying to buy that tank
WEREGIRL666
QUOTE (euthanasia @ May 9 2008, 08:48 AM) *
i think we're getting kinda off track...lets talk about...what was it again? zombies? oh yea, zombies. those are boring killed all of 'em wit my chainsaw...while you guys were trying to buy that tank

Alaska!!
euthanasia
take me with you!!!!
WEREGIRL666
QUOTE (euthanasia @ May 9 2008, 08:54 AM) *
take me with you!!!!

nope sorry im a selfish jerk
Leon S. Kennedy
QUOTE (Roughneck @ May 9 2008, 03:49 AM) *
Actually, while they might not notice it, zombies can still freeze to death. After all, they still have an organic body. The brain, heart, muscles, joints, and everything that is part of the organic body is rendered frozen when exposed to sub-zero temperatures for too long. When a body is naturally frozen, the organs shut down and die. The brain still needs to be supplied with blood to function even if it's a zombified brain. All you need to do in a place like Alaska in the winter is lock yourself in a well-barricaded place and build a fire for a few days. After awhile, you'll notice that every zombie outside will have died because of inadequate cold-weather protection. The same applies for hyperthermia, where the body dies because it absorbs more heat than it can dissipate. Zombies still have human bodies. Unless they're some kind of voodoo or Hellish-zombies.

Besides, you can make heat from things such as wood, which is plentiful in Alaska. It's not like humanity (notably Eskimos) had industrial parks that produced electricity before the 19th-century.


I don't think a zombies internal organs would be functioning except for the brain for basic motor functions. There are just so many fictitional zombie variations to really make an accurate plan to fight or survive them.
Leon S. Kennedy
QUOTE (WEREGIRL666 @ May 9 2008, 08:58 AM) *
nope sorry im a selfish jerk



But you would take me right? grin2.gif
WEREGIRL666
QUOTE (Leon S. Kennedy @ May 9 2008, 09:07 AM) *
But you would take me right? grin2.gif

your funny lol
Leon S. Kennedy
QUOTE (WEREGIRL666 @ May 9 2008, 09:07 AM) *
your funny lol



I try my best..
WEREGIRL666
if i had a guy i would take him and my 3 puppys thats it
Leon S. Kennedy
QUOTE (WEREGIRL666 @ May 9 2008, 09:12 AM) *
if i had a guy i would take him and my 3 puppys thats it


I could be that guy eh?? I wouldn't let any zombies eat you or your puppies.
WEREGIRL666
lol nah i need a chuddy cool guy lol seriously i dont like skinny guys they cant cuddle on cold alaska nights
Leon S. Kennedy
QUOTE (WEREGIRL666 @ May 9 2008, 09:16 AM) *
lol nah i need a chuddy cool guy lol seriously i dont like skinny guys they cant cuddle on cold alaska nights


Who says I be skinny? I love cold.
WEREGIRL666
so ur chubby?
Leon S. Kennedy
In a sense yes... a little off topic though.
WEREGIRL666
you also need to know how to hunt and train dogs to hunt and other things...
Leon S. Kennedy
Can't say I know how to train dogs, but it can't be too hard to learn.
WEREGIRL666
lmao eh anywho..
Leon S. Kennedy
Yes.. back to the zombies. I also think a truck might be a good idea if you could get some fuel saved.
NeoGenesis
QUOTE (Leon S. Kennedy @ May 9 2008, 03:31 PM) *
Yes.. back to the zombies. I also think a truck might be a good idea if you could get some fuel saved.


Wonder how many zombies would turn up as you are refueling the truck and some spare cans for the long road ahead.

Answer.So much they would block off the streets and swamp the the truck.Certainly my best bet group together a convoy.Armored of course. gunsmilie.gif
euthanasia
what happens when they find your hideout in the middle of the night?

answer:your skrewed ph34r.gif passifier.gif
Yorgmiester
Into teh wildz!!!!!!!!!!!!Alaska here i come!!!!!!!Srsly just go into the wilderness and you will be safe thumbsup.gif
Roughneck
QUOTE (Leon S. Kennedy @ May 9 2008, 09:05 AM) *
I don't think a zombies internal organs would be functioning except for the brain for basic motor functions. There are just so many fictitional zombie variations to really make an accurate plan to fight or survive them.


The brain still needs blood the function. The heart pumps blood, but the heart depends on the other bodily organs to function. And let's not forget muscles, a required bodily function that enables the body to move, and those muscles need to be constantly supplied with energy. Otherwise, all zombies would be dead within a few days, and apparently, lots of zombie folklore revolve around them being around for a lot longer. How do they stay around for so long? They feed on flesh, which means their metabolism is in working order, which means their organs are in working order (lots of zombie folklore revolve around hiding out until the zombies starve to death, which means their organs work). Even Resident Evil has zombies vomitting after feeding, which can be a method of removing waste products from their body once the nutrients have been used up from whatever they fed on. Though some zombie folklore such as the remake of Dawn of the Dead has the zombies constantly decomposing, but it's at an unrealistic rate, because the brain and muscles would decompose a lot faster than what was protrayed in that movie, hence, the zombies wouldn't be active anymore. And so, that brings us to why would they feed if their organs don't work? The virus has to spread, yes, but that can just as easily be done with a single bite, and instead, lots of zombies completely destroy plenty of victims from feeding on them, which suggests their digestive system is in working order, otherwise they wouldn't and couldn't eat anything. Even vomitting suggests their digestive system is in order.

A lot of zombie folklore at the same time revolve around some magical virus that somehow keeps the brain alive while the rest of the body decomposes. Yet the zombies still use muscles to move, which if the body was dead, the muscles would die, too. So it's something I rarely see explained. I guess if this thread doesn't want any semi-realistic theories, then anything anyone says goes, since a lot of zombie folklore is really illogical. People say "it's just for fun" but I guess I demand something concrete in idea, otherwise, I just scoff and hope the rest of the story makes up for the ridiculous nature of the zombie.

Anyways, the one method of survival that encompasses all zombie variations is constantly staying on the move or holding up in a really remote area away from all civilisation- because zombies are going to be where people are going to be, which is in urbanised areas. You wait in the hopes that military aid will arrive, and if it won't arrive, then nothing changes from the original plan of keeping away from all zombie areas. To fight them, is simple enough as fighting a human (or super-human, in some really weird scenarios), unless you're talking about zombies under the influence of a dark magic, in which case, you're screwed and are just running for as long as you can just for the sake of living for as long as you can.

Like I said, unless they're dark magic-zombies, or zombies that die out within a week, they still need to supply their bodies with energy to keep it working, which means their organs are somehow working. I find stories such as 28 Days/Weeks Later to be the most logically sound ideas on how a zombie would be created and how it would function. But like I said, I guess anyone can say anything no matter how little sense it might make because a lot of zombie stories makes very little sense.
Leon S. Kennedy
No offense, it's good info but quoting it would be an eye sore. I'm rather confused by how they don't explain any of that either, but you write too much. You make one hell of a ranter though, props on that.
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