Has anyone been over to "Main Front Page News"...Theres a story up, Amityville stepdad "exploited" the horror, ghosts and hauntings..Someone bought it up, it's from 2005, but if anyone didn't read it, there it is.....

Haven't demons been around for thousands of years?

My curiosity is up about this one.. i'll be checking it out

thanks Goalienan.

In theory I guess they have been around for a long time. Then that also depends on what you believe a Demon to be. Some people think Demons are Ghosts or Ghosts are Demons. It would be very hard to tell them apart. As far as I am aware there have been no reports of a Demon slapping someone upside the head and saying "I am a Demon dumbass not a ghost" I don't think any Ghosts have done that either. I think perhaps us Westerners are behind on the old Demon culture. Before Amityville I guess they were not reported as Demons or just ignored. It's like the womens lib of Demons, they all burned thier underwear and came out until then it was all hush hush.

found the original article I believe here & with greater detail:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nati...ityville08.html

copied the link from MAIN page on UM site.. if link doesn't work.
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=40241

As a child living at the house "The Amityville Horror" made infamous, he saw a menacing, shadowy figure approach him, and he remembers the night his bedroom window kept banging open and shut. But forget the green slime dripping from the walls -- many of the events in "The Amityville Horror" books and movies were exaggerated to the point of fiction, said Christopher Quaratino, the only one of the three children who lived in the allegedly haunted house to speak publicly about it."So far there's been three representations of what happened in that house," Quaratino said Tuesday in an interview with Newsday. "And not one of them" -- not the book, not the movie, nor a remake released last month -- "is accurate."Quaratino was 7 years old when his mother, Kathy Lutz, and her new husband moved the family into the house where Ronald DeFeo had killed six family members with a rifle the previous fall. The family moved out after 28 days.

Now 37 and living in Scottsdale, Ariz., Quaratino maintains the haunting was not a hoax. But he insists his stepfather at the time, George Lutz, brought the troubles on himself by dabbling in the occult and then amplified what paranormal incidents did occur to profit off books and movies about the house."He's a professional showman, in my opinion," Quaratino said of Lutz, whom he said he clashed with many times before leaving home at 16. "I just feel as though we're being exploited."

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Western Culture is always behind, but the concept of demons has been around far longer than the 70's when it was unheard of! Exorcist ring a bell released in 73? Two years PRIOR to the Lutz's as i have said on many occasions, yet at this time, demons were unheard of? The Exorcist barnstormed the nation in december of 73 and captivated and grossed out audiences across the globe. So why is it that when it comes to the Lutz's it was unheard of? When MILLIONS have seen the movie and that the concept of what a demon was.

Just two cents from NoahJaymes.....living with logic since 1982

You have a good point-

Here is a penny back. Of course they were around and haunting, but we didnt hear about them, nor was it out in the open like it is now. All the public had to go on is the Exorcist and Amityville, then came Emily Rose. There are old and some ancient stories of Demonics haunting and possessing, but all those were before our time. JN

But you said Demonics were unheard of in the 70's, how can this be when The Exorcist brought it to mainstream? Maybe the educational factor yes, but demons WERE brought to MILLIONS OF VIEWERS through the theater release of The Exorcist. To include Amityville in your post is beyond me based on a lot of your arguments coincide with the movie version anyway.

My post was directed toward your assumption that demonics weren't even known in the 70's but thats a crap load of bs based on there was a movie on the subject. Takes the penny back and laughs.

LOL You are correct LS, its hard to tell the difference between a Demonic and a human spirit or Poltergeist, but as time goes on, its easy to see its wrath, anger, violence and illusions. Thanks for understanding my post about "unheard of" because before the Amity etc, there was no reports of it. I assume that the Vatican kept them quiet. JN

Demons were not unheard of on a local level but they were unheard of on a National level in the West. In the press they had no real visibility or credibility. We need to watch we don't mix up reality and fiction here. Using a movie as an example can confuse the issue. I assume you are trying to say that The Exorcist caused all of this Demon stuff?

Did you even happen to read the article from the step son JN, which goes against all of which you believe about the money issue...might wanna read that, I found it highly enlightning

Being in Scotland, how are you aware of situational awareness?

Demons were all over the press after the exorcist....How can you say, how can anyone say The Exorcist had nothing to do with exposing demons? It brought the subject to the MAINSTREAM...No comprendo? Si? Muy bien

Using a movie is not confusing the issue, the movie was an example of THE NATIONS KNOWLEDGE on DEMON AWARENESS.

No reports of it? Was the movie The Exorcist not based on a 12yr old kid, was there not a novel written on the subject before hand? Do you not expect people to read. Did you happen to check all the media outlets throughout the entire nation during this time period to confirm your large assumption? Again, I notice the word "assume", gotta be careful with that...that is like a dagger with a jagged edge, it will get ya everytime.

The first case I recall is "the entity" she experienced her events in 1973, documented in 74, the books on this particular case were out well before the movie, and well before Amityville.

[quote name='CryWolf' date='May 5 2008, 06:37 PM' post='2282832']
Being in Scotland, how are you aware of situational awareness?

Demons were all over the press after the exorcist....How can you say, how can anyone say The Exorcist had nothing to do with exposing demons? It brought the subject to the MAINSTREAM...No comprendo? Si? Muy bien

Using a movie is not confusing the issue, the movie was an example of THE NATIONS KNOWLEDGE on DEMON AWARENESS.

I thought you used logic?

What has Scotland got to do with this? I am talking prior to The Exorcist. But the movie is not the Nations Knowledge it was just a wakeup call. A sort of "Did you know...". Then people said wait a minute, my mums head did a 360 degree turn last year... Perhaps the movie broke down a barrier or two. We all knew about Demons prior but it was not acceptable news.

Awesome, I am at school so i am unable to do proper research on the matter while trying to study for my PSY final...Once I get home, I will do my research and um...continue to bury this topic.

Where did I not use logic? Are you perhaps, confused?

Please reread this entire crap thread and you will see the argument is not about A WAKE UP CALL, it is not a BRING TO LIGHT type of thing, it was in regards to....It was UNHEARD OF IN THE 70'S. How was it unheard of if there was numerous cases documented, books out, movie out, that sort of thing.

I have a King James bible printed in 1864.....it mentions Demons quite often soooo from that we can assume that Demons were heard of prior to 1970.

Dude, what are you not freaking getting? I even said demons were heard of THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO, im talking JNS COMMENT on they were unheard of in the 70's....********SNIP*********


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True, so, that would counteract Jn's argument that demons/demonic cases were "unheard of!"

'Lord Storm' date='May 5 2008, 05:45 PM' post='2282848''CryWolf' date='May 5 2008, 06:37 PM' post='2282832']
Being in Scotland, how are you aware of situational awareness?

Demons were all over the press after the exorcist....How can you say, how can anyone say The Exorcist had nothing to do with exposing demons? It brought the subject to the MAINSTREAM...No comprendo? Si? Muy bien

Using a movie is not confusing the issue, the movie was an example of THE NATIONS KNOWLEDGE on DEMON AWARENESS.

I thought you used logic?

What has Scotland got to do with this? I am talking prior to The Exorcist. But the movie is not the Nations Knowledge it was just a wakeup call. A sort of "Did you know...". Then people said wait a minute, my mums head did a 360 degree turn last year... Perhaps the movie broke down a barrier or two. We all knew about Demons prior but it was not acceptable news.



I was also talking about prior to the Exorcist, Amity and Emily Rose too. Of course they were around, but it wasnt talked about, nor did anyone hear of these kind of things. I mean NO Internet, NO YouTube, NO media etc. As I said, the Warrens broke ground to demonic hauntings and I dont care if they got paid a million dollars, which of course they werent,and if it wasnt for them and Amity, it makes me wonder who we would call now if we had that kind of haunting, and how would we know what a Demonic haunting is? Now we have "A haunting" which focuses on Demonic hauntings, and the Warrens arent in all of them, just some. Someone had to put it out there and they did, even in Scotland, who knew? LOL So kudos for them. Good post LS...JN

[quote name='Shankpin' date='May 5 2008, 05:58 PM' post='2282883']
True, so, that would counteract Jn's argument that demons/demonic cases were "unheard of!"
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I was referring to our lifetime, and not the bible or ancient cases. Who talked about Demonic Hauntings before that you remember? I never heard of such a thing except for watching the Exorcist, and that scared me to death. It was not a subject talked about in my lifetime, that much I know. Using the term unheard of means no one heard about these things including me prior to the 70's..JN

I suspect you took JN's post litteraly and I did not. Hence confusion. No need to get so dramatic.

Me? Dramatic?

Hmmmm......What else was Lorraine feeling?$$$$$$$$

The story of hauntings (houses) have been around for ages- Whether they're called demonic, poltergeist, spooks it's not relevant, it's been out there for a long time.
Before the 1970's the question is who HAD NOT heard of haunted houses?

Dont make me come over there Missy!!!!

Ed? LOL

sorry Jn, but that was funny...

LOL I couldnt resist it...

out of the gutter, out of the gutter ..

From what I've been able to gather Sarchie's police career seems quite honorable and I believe it still continues.



I don't know. I'd need a lot more detail.



To me it does. Salute!

LOL OK OK..My mind goes there from time to time,,,

Gee, I never realized before that the Anglo-Saxon system of jurisprudence, all 800 years of it, is just "my eyes."

It may do it, but his opinion of those people is just that his opinion.

Yes, but isn't his opinion as valid as that of anybody else? And if all opinions are worthless what have we left?

I understand that, OTR.. you brought the man up initially as if his opinion had more weight is all.

As for any supposed lack of demonic occurrences before the 1970s, what about the "Ealing, Iowa, Exorcism" of 1928, still famous in Roman Catholic circles, and the "St. Louis, Missouri, Exorcism" of 1949, known to almost all Paranormalists?

But the opinion of a man trained to be an observer, and as a police sergeant a teacher of those observational skills and techniques to others, does carry more weight with me than many others would have. Is that so unusual?

What i want to know is this. Why jump to call something possession before the person is checked out by a mental health professional. If the Headshrink can't help and all medical options fail then you can throw out the demonic possession BS.

All he had was THEIR interpretation of the events, as with anyone else they told, the priest, media, etc,.
If he saw the door fly off the hinges himself.... changes things somewhat. Or very well could...

Because honey, when a Warren says it's demons, it's demons.. no questions asked.

So is it ok if I still post my opinions or will someone just hit report?

Post away man. Whats the worst that can happen?

Well, from the amount of people hitting report, I am likely to get banned....they just don't like my views

LOL i know that feeling.

They have no argument which is the thing. They base their argument on a biased view or assumptions. What about the article on step-son? They ignore that? Yes... He even said George was a money hungry hippy.