Shankpin
May 2 2008, 06:28 PM
Brothers sue world famous psychic Lorraine Warren for false accusations in Devil book.
October 08, 2007
For Immediate Release
DANBURY, CT: A major lawsuit is pending against world famous ghost-buster Lorraine Warren of Monroe, Connecticut, for her involvement in the authoring of the book, The Devil in Connecticut, originally published by Bantam Books in 1983. The book details the supposed case of demonic possession of an 11 year old boy which lead to the much publicized “demon murder” stabbing death of forty-year old Alan Bono by nineteen year old Arne Cheyenne Johnson in Brookfield, Connecticut in 1981. Carl Glatzel Jr. and David Glatzel of Brookfield are suing Warren, along with author Gerald Brittle, IUniverse.com, the agency who recently republished the book, and the William Morris Agency of New York, who represents both Warren and Brittle. Other charges and defendants are expected to follow.
http://www.mmdnewswire.com/brors-sue-world...ook-2347-2.html
Shankpin
May 2 2008, 06:37 PM
I *think this is the story here.. hadn't had much time to look at it though.
http://www.geocities.com/devilbustedinct/
Plainbob13
May 2 2008, 06:41 PM
Thats the one where the boy the Warrens supposedly helped killed someone right? Its about time they got what was comeing.
Shankpin
May 2 2008, 07:04 PM
something like that, it's been so long ago since I read this case, actually. I remember something about a dude supposed to be possessed and killed somebody... or something or another. & i think there were supposed to be more than one person "possessed" in this case..
JustNormal
May 2 2008, 07:42 PM
QUOTE (Shankpin @ May 2 2008, 07:04 PM)

something like that, it's been so long ago since I read this case, actually. I remember something about a dude supposed to be possessed and killed somebody... or something or another. & i think there were supposed to be more than one person "possessed" in this case..
Thats an old case, plus Ed Warren is dead. We once had a thread about PI teams or demonolgists putting someone at harm, or making a wrong diagnosis etc. Problem is, we are hearing one side of the story, but Im sure Lorraine and Ed dealt with it. I am sure they are not the first to be sued nor the last. I met Lorraine once, and she is quite the woman. She has the gift of discernment and NOT all hauntings are demonic, just the ones we hear about. They broke ground with Demonic hauntings doing Amityville, and thank God they did. Prior to that, the only movie or info we had was the Exorcist, but it was too disturbing to believe its real. Also the Warrens didnt charge clients, so it was not for the money. They put Demonic hauntings out there, and good for them..::::::::::::::::;running from Sunni:::::::::::::::::::::::::
NoahJaymes
May 2 2008, 08:06 PM
LOL, Sue that old ass fraud for everything she has........hell, sue her family....break those losers!
Shankpin
May 2 2008, 08:07 PM
LOL jn! well, the only thing I can agree with is they did put the demonic factor out there..
NoahJaymes
May 2 2008, 08:09 PM
Sadly yes....imagine if they didn't....the paranromal community wouldn't be as demonfied.
goalienan
May 2 2008, 08:13 PM
QUOTE (JustNormal @ May 2 2008, 07:42 PM)

Thats an old case, plus Ed Warren is dead. We once had a thread about PI teams or demonolgists putting someone at harm, or making a wrong diagnosis etc. Problem is, we are hearing one side of the story, but Im sure Lorraine and Ed dealt with it. I am sure they are not the first to be sued nor the last. I met Lorraine once, and she is quite the woman. She has the gift of discernment and NOT all hauntings are demonic, just the ones we hear about. They broke ground with Demonic hauntings doing Amityville, and thank God they did. Prior to that, the only movie or info we had was the Exorcist, but it was too disturbing to believe its real. Also the Warrens didnt charge clients, so it was not for the money. They put Demonic hauntings out there, and good for them..::::::::::::::::;running from Sunni:::::::::::::::::::::::::

hi ((((JN))))...why am I under the impression that Lorraine Warren passed away too...
Shankpin
May 2 2008, 08:14 PM
I believe in the possibilities.. but it's things such as this (bold) that work against any attempt on the matter.. We can't go around assuming folks are possessed who are, in fact, mentally ill.
According to Glatzel’s attorney, Greg T. Nolan of Febbroriello, Conti, and Levy Law Firm of Torrington, Connecticut, both Warren, Brittle, and their agencies are facing several charges including invasion of the right to privacy, libel, and intentional affliction of emotional distress for the supposed false information contained in the book, The Devil in Connecticut, which was reprinted by IUniverse.com in 2006 without the Glatzel’s knowledge or consent. According to Carl Glatzel Jr., who was sixteen at the time, and other members of his family, his younger brother David suffered from a mental illness that Lorraine Warren and her late husband, Ed, who died in August of 2006, diagnosed as “demonic possession.” The Roman Catholic Church, under advice and consult of the Warrens, attempted four minor rites of exorcism on the young boy in 1980 to rid him of “forty-two demons,” all of which were failures. The Warrens also claimed in the book that Carl Jr. was ‘oppressed by demons’ and they used him “as a pawn to instigate violence and arouse skepticism.” The Warrens’ concluded that a ‘Satanic death curse was placed on both the Glatzel boys."
NoahJaymes
May 2 2008, 08:14 PM
See into the future?
NoahJaymes
May 2 2008, 08:15 PM
QUOTE (Shankpin @ May 2 2008, 04:14 PM)

I believe in the possibilities.. but it's things such as this (bold) that work against any attempt on the matter.. We can't go around assuming folks are possessed who are, in fact, mentally ill.
According to Glatzel’s attorney, Greg T. Nolan of Febbroriello, Conti, and Levy Law Firm of Torrington, Connecticut, both Warren, Brittle, and their agencies are facing several charges including invasion of the right to privacy, libel, and intentional affliction of emotional distress for the supposed false information contained in the book, The Devil in Connecticut, which was reprinted by IUniverse.com in 2006 without the Glatzel’s knowledge or consent. According to Carl Glatzel Jr., who was sixteen at the time, and other members of his family, his younger brother David suffered from a mental illness that Lorraine Warren and her late husband, Ed, who died in August of 2006, diagnosed as “demonic possession.” The Roman Catholic Church, under advice and consult of the Warrens, attempted four minor rites of exorcism on the young boy in 1980 to rid him of “forty-two demons,” all of which were failures. The Warrens also claimed in the book that Carl Jr. was ‘oppressed by demons’ and they used him “as a pawn to instigate violence and arouse skepticism.” The Warrens’ concluded that a ‘Satanic death curse was placed on both the Glatzel boys."
Wow....and people had/have faith in the warrens? Psssssssssh
JustNormal
May 2 2008, 08:19 PM
QUOTE (goalienan @ May 2 2008, 08:13 PM)

hi ((((JN))))...why am I under the impression that Lorraine Warren passed away too...
OMG To the best of my knowledge NO she has not passed, Ed did. I will have to look it up, thanks (((GOALIE)))
JustNormal
May 2 2008, 08:22 PM
QUOTE (Shankpin @ May 2 2008, 08:07 PM)

LOL jn! well, the only thing I can agree with is they did put the demonic factor out there..
LOL They really did. Just think if they didnt, and Amity never was? What would those do who had a Demonic Haunting? The few Lay Religious Demonogists in New England studied and worked under them, giving them the knowledge of what to look for and what is a fraud..JMO ...JN
NoahJaymes
May 2 2008, 08:23 PM
If they didn't then there wouldn't be as many misdiagnoses and a lot of people would still be alive.....Chitty bang bang
Shankpin
May 2 2008, 08:54 PM
QUOTE (JustNormal @ May 2 2008, 03:22 PM)

LOL They really did. Just think if they didnt, and Amity never was? What would those do who had a Demonic Haunting? The few Lay Religious Demonogists in New England studied and worked under them, giving them the knowledge of what to look for and what is a fraud..JMO ...JN
I've struggled with the whole "demonoligist" concept for a while now. I don't see how anyone can just pick up a book with a few so called demon names and call themselves an "ologist" a specialist in the field what have you-- which gives them knowledge in such battles, over the unknown, the enemy.. I'm convinced that in order to do such things as fight the enemy, or even recognize it, that person must be appointed with authority to do so.
I think Ed warren done exactly that.. picked up a book of demons and called himself a demonoligist-- To place a name to yourself doesn't give that person any knowledge or power over the subject.
like I said, I've struggled with the whole thing for a while.
NoahJaymes
May 2 2008, 08:57 PM
I am a ghostologist
Pluto-x
May 2 2008, 08:59 PM
This is why "MOST" Paranormal Research Groups do not use Psychics for investigations. I rest my case with that one!
jpatt
May 2 2008, 09:01 PM
QUOTE (CryWolf @ May 2 2008, 03:57 PM)

I am a ghostologist
Haha, good one. You should be able to get on any paranormal show in the world with such a heady title!
I recall an episode of TAPS with the Warrens' nephew or grandson or something, and the TAPS guys being informed that the Warrens had previously investigated a place they were now at, and one of the guys was like "Sigh - oh boy... the Warrens huh?"
Yah, that was the only thing I was sort of not totally on-board with, on the investigation I was invite to, of an abandoned hospital - one of the members of the inviting group was a psychic, though I guess there's nothing wrong with them doing their thing too as long as they have a level head and can help contribute, as long as their subjective experiences are not what any decisions or conclusions are based on.
Ghost It Notes
May 2 2008, 09:03 PM
Damn, I wish I could make it plain and simple for people to understand. There is only one way to truly and really banish a demon. And yes, they are real It could maybe take more than one time, the factors involved make it sometimes difficult. While I do get the Catholic church way, it is too drawn out and full of ceremony. A real exorcism by say a Pentecostal is more direct and to the point. It does not neccesarily need to be a long process. Don't get me wrong, it can take a while, but it can be done. But it also depends on if it is a building or a person. Sometimes the building was used for evil purposes and should just be ignored or demolished. (no guarentee of evil gone) I like Lorraine, but I don't think she gets the whole story on true banishing. It is only by Jesus that any evil spirit has to leave. ( and stay gone) Any of you who deal with evil spirits.....say, "In the name of Jesus, I rebuke you". See what happens. See what happens. yes, I said that twice.
Shankpin
May 2 2008, 09:04 PM
Well, I mean darn, Do they actually clean the damn houses they investigate??" DO THEY? HAVE THEY EVER? All it seems to me is they exploit the families who live there...
anyway no disrespect to the dead.. but man!!
Shankpin
May 2 2008, 09:07 PM
QUOTE (Ghost It Notes @ May 2 2008, 04:03 PM)

A real exorcism by say a Pentecostal is more direct and to the point. It does not neccesarily need to be a long process. Don't get me wrong, it can take a while, but it can be done. But it also depends on if it is a building or a person. Sometimes the building was used for evil purposes and should just be ignored or demolished. (no guarentee of evil gone) I like Lorraine, but I don't think she gets the whole story on true banishing. It is only by Jesus that any evil spirit has to leave. ( and stay gone) Any of you who deal with evil spirits.....say, "In the name of Jesus, I rebuke you". See what happens. See what happens. yes, I said that twice.
It was actually a church of elders in a pentecostal church who cleaned my house.. btw.. So, i think it really boils down to faith, and will. Not a name tag.. you know.
NoahJaymes
May 2 2008, 09:08 PM
Warrens = Poop
Shankpin
May 2 2008, 09:10 PM
QUOTE (jpatt @ May 2 2008, 04:01 PM)

Yah, that was the only thing I was sort of not totally on-board with, on the investigation I was invite to, of an abandoned hospital - one of the members of the inviting group was a psychic, though I guess there's nothing wrong with them doing their thing too as long as they have a level head and can help contribute, as long as their subjective experiences are not what any decisions or conclusions are based on.
I think a psychic can be ok, as long as they just stay quiet about of their "feelings." I say this b/c it could very well be false and could change the direction of an investigation--and carry the investigation astray.. or so I would think.
Plainbob13
May 2 2008, 09:13 PM
Look at Paranormal state. LOL they used Mrs. Warren a number of times. How can you take this lady seriously. And why would anyone take the PS show for real. Mrs. Warren is a fraund and I hope she gets eating by a demon.
NoahJaymes
May 2 2008, 09:14 PM
She was, but it spit her back out.
Shankpin
May 2 2008, 09:15 PM
QUOTE (Plainbob13 @ May 2 2008, 04:13 PM)

Look at Paranormal state. LOL they used Mrs. Warren a number of times. How can you take this lady seriously. And why would anyone take the PS show for real. Mrs. Warren is a fraund and I hope she gets eating by a demon.
I don't know, but apparently there are some people who have faith in her.
Ghost It Notes
May 2 2008, 09:21 PM
[quote name='Shankpin' date='May 2 2008, 02:07 PM' post='2278452']
It was actually a church of elders in a pentecostal church who cleaned my house.. btw.. So, i think it really boils down to faith, and will. Not a name tag.. you know.
[/quoYes! I am glad to hear that. It does boil down to faith and there's nothing better than the name of Jesus. True about name tag....it could be Baptist, Charismatic, Pentecostal, Four Square, or any other who deals with it in the right way.
Shankpin
May 2 2008, 09:25 PM
True, I was specifically talking about the name tag of "demonoligist." But yea, it boils down to faith, and the will despite what you call yourself.
Those elders that cleaned my house had more knowledge about such things than any so called self proclaimed expert in demons.. imo
They must have cause they whipped ass.
Pluto-x
May 2 2008, 09:34 PM
Anyone who associates themselves with frauds, are frauds too... besides, she associates herself with PRS, need I say more? LOL
NoahJaymes
May 2 2008, 09:42 PM
No you don't.....Frauds pffffft
Aanica
May 2 2008, 11:24 PM
QUOTE (JustNormal @ May 2 2008, 01:42 PM)

Thats an old case, plus Ed Warren is dead. We once had a thread about PI teams or demonolgists putting someone at harm, or making a wrong diagnosis etc. Problem is, we are hearing one side of the story, but Im sure Lorraine and Ed dealt with it. I am sure they are not the first to be sued nor the last. I met Lorraine once, and she is quite the woman. She has the gift of discernment and NOT all hauntings are demonic, just the ones we hear about. They broke ground with Demonic hauntings doing Amityville, and thank God they did. Prior to that, the only movie or info we had was the Exorcist, but it was too disturbing to believe its real. Also the Warrens didnt charge clients, so it was not for the money. They put Demonic hauntings out there, and good for them..::::::::::::::::;running from Sunni:::::::::::::::::::::::::

Thank you for standing up for this kind and gentle woman I have met her on more than one occasion and I can tell you she would never harm a hair on any ones head!~
NoahJaymes
May 2 2008, 11:27 PM
HaHa....
Plainbob13
May 2 2008, 11:29 PM
Tell that to the person that kid killed.
Shankpin
May 2 2008, 11:34 PM
QUOTE (Aanica @ May 2 2008, 06:24 PM)

Thank you for standing up for this kind and gentle woman I have met her on more than one occasion and I can tell you she would never harm a hair on any ones head!~
Well, I never said she hurt anyone's hair on their head, or physically abusive to anyone..
Despite any good intentions they may have had in the beginning, it is clear to me that they exploited many of their clients for prophet.. while leaving their clients out to hang..
and I'm quite sure these families did find this somewhat painful...
JustNormal
May 3 2008, 04:42 AM
QUOTE (Aanica @ May 2 2008, 11:24 PM)

Thank you for standing up for this kind and gentle woman I have met her on more than one occasion and I can tell you she would never harm a hair on any ones head!~
No problem, and the part I like best is the fact that Lorraine and the late Ed, didnt care what the public thought. They helped hundreds of people at no charge. Lorraine is a sweet, honest and upfront lady. She has gone to hundreds of locations stating itsa Poltergeist, residual or intelligent etc. She knows her stuff, and I respect her and I dont care what others think, either. People seem to dislike her due to the fact a few of her/their famous investigations were Demonic in nature. Guess people dont really understand these hauntings are real, and need a fumigation/banishing or exorcism, and thats sad that so many out there blame her for everything except the Vietnam war LOL..JN
NoahJaymes
May 3 2008, 04:49 AM
Actually I blame her for the Korean Conflict
Wallydraigle
May 3 2008, 05:20 AM
There are still people who think Amityville was anything but a hoax?
JustNormal
May 3 2008, 05:50 AM
QUOTE (Wallydraigle @ May 3 2008, 06:20 AM)

There are still people who think Amityville was anything but a hoax?

In my opinion and having dealings with some involved it was NOT a hoax. George Lutz stuck by the truth till the day he died. I think the media messed it up, wrote books, and embellished to a massive degree. As we said earlier, Demonic Hauntings are not rare at all. The Lutz's did not want their horror to become public, but the good ole media heard about it, and it became a nightmare, along with the haunting. Actually they had to meet teams in an undisclosed location because they were hounded by the media maniacs. We will never know if the original murderer was on drugs, psycho or possessed, to kill his entire family in cold blood. These things do happen, but these days its not made public..JN
Wallydraigle
May 3 2008, 06:08 AM
Whether something happened to the Lutzes or not, I can't say because I wasn't there. However, William Weber has publicly admitted that he got George Lutz drunk and made the whole thing up in order to get Butch DeFeo, whom he was defending at the time, a new trial. Jay Anson, author of the book, has admitted to further fabrication. Many of the claims of the haunting are demonstrably false.
That the case is in any way true is untenable.
NoahJaymes
May 3 2008, 06:25 AM
LOL, here we go on Amityville.....THE CRAP IS A HOAX....Warrens were involved.....adds to the HOAX.....Hoax that is all, nothing more, definitely not demonic...definitely not a haunting....
Shankpin
May 3 2008, 06:37 AM
Well, I don't know about demonic.. but I wouldn't be surprised if a few spirits walk in that house.. I mean, if your
trusted loving brother shot you in your back at 10, could you rest in peace, would you..? I don't know if I could to be honest.
there was a family massacre in that home- we sometimes forget about that with all that other "movie" crap dancing around in the parade....
just something I think about with this one in particular.. Lutz or no Lutz
NoahJaymes
May 3 2008, 06:43 AM
Yes, while that may hold true, families since have lived in that house and have reported nothing ever happening....that too makes you wonder...
Shankpin
May 3 2008, 06:56 AM
I wouldn't tell it if it was.. I wouldn't want the publicity.. Don't know many who would. That's like opening a can of worms.
not saying it is for sure.. but I wouldn't be surprised- considering the extent of the tragedy.
Jennie 1
May 3 2008, 07:03 AM
I can only say that I wish this (the lawsuit) had happened 30 years ago, maybe then, we wouldn't have had this rampant "OMG it's a demon!" thing going on now.
I am not at all surprised.
I think it's wonderful that so many, that have believed this crap for so long, may get a glimpse of reality now.
I do have sympathy for Lorraine though, she is an elderly lady and this will be hard on her. But she brought it on herself.
Thanks for posting it!
OldTimeRadio
May 3 2008, 07:04 AM
Please note that this is a civil proceeding, NOT a criminal one. Such suits are always being brought against books, motion pictures and musical compositions, by the handfuls, like penny candy from a bowl.
In addition, I suspect the court is not going to pay much attention to a lawsuit brought against the authors of a book first published nearly a quarter-of-a-century ago, especially when the plaintiffs waited until after the death of the co-defendant to launch it.
NoahJaymes
May 3 2008, 07:11 AM
While you have a valid point and this takes me back to JN's post about not wanting the public aware of the haunting. If they wanted to, they could have kept it confidential, but for some unknown reason it became all over the media. Keep in mind, at this point in time the US is just coming off of one of the most horrifying movies we have ever encountered in The Exorcist in 1973. The Amityville event with the Lutz's occured EXACTLY two years after the movie release of The Exorcist.
I can go on and on about certain "red flags" that caught my attention.
Shankpin
May 3 2008, 07:14 AM
That's the absolute truth. Yes. I do NOT disagree.. I think also, the Warrens plastered this in media for no other reason but for prophet.. Hind site it's clear.
Who pays? the families of course.
NoahJaymes
May 3 2008, 07:19 AM
Exactly and of course those who worship the ground that The Warrens walk upon, or walked upon, will disagree till they are blue in the face. I believe everything was extremely exaggerated and The Warrens being their weasely selves showed their true colors.
Like I said, If they wanted to keep this case confidential, they surely could have. I mean how can you believe otherwise with as much exposure this case got?
Shankpin
May 3 2008, 07:22 AM
Yea considering, all the other homes in the country with *possible hauntings.. two elements weren't involved.. the Warrens, and a movie deal.. I mean that says enough for itself. imo
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