I was just wondering the bible speaks of not having other Gods other then the Judeo-Christian God. Some of you have said that you do not believe in other Gods & that the bible was speaking of idols like money, material things, etc.

I've read that some of you know your God lives because you have talked to him, sounds good so for those of us who believe in other Gods or do you think we're talking too or seeing? Are there more then one God or do you believe that something Say Satan is playing with us?

Those who do not follow the Bible if good will make it to heaven since their conscience is clean. Those who follow it will be judged by it. So both people have a chance as far as what the Word says.

Demons might deceive others and appear in the form of gods, loved ones who passed on, nature spirits, or even 'G'od Himself. But it matters not in my view for even if people are tricked this way but remain good then they are good.

Even if people are evil and sold out to negative forces willingly and knowingly I trust God will protect me if they wish me harm. I can only pray to defend myself. But I will respect all people in whatever path they follow. Some might think I am being arrogant for thinking others might be tricked and I feel I am on the right path. But anyone who is simply good is on the right path in my eyes. And I really cannot help what I believe. The one thing I do not believe in is being negative to others and have to catch myself slipping more often than not.

In the end someone might consider me a fool for following God. They will say He is cruel or does not even exist. Then I will remain a fool. Ignorance is a form of bliss too. And I will respect them as much as I can for their own views. As much as I can is the key word and I do try and will succeed more than not if I can rely on the Spirit to help it.

Everyone do as you wish. If you feel inside you know better about anything in any way then do better. If you know better do better in all things. Even if it is being nice to each other because that is better. And that I want to know.

I have followed other paths before and they were beautiful in their own way. I followed my own path. I followed the path of power. I followed the path of the goddess Diana in all her names. And I have followed the path of the faerie before. This current path is the one I grew up in and simply decided to return for I feel it is the best path 'for me'. I feel it has the most power 'in my view'. And I can only hope everyone who follows their own path feels the same and feels good about themselves and about each other.

in honesty --------- money . it's rare people will give it up to follow God.

like Father Roman said today basically - One God , just different ways of viewing God. none better or worse than another.

The bible never stated that other then Satan that those who fell with him had the same powers has he does. Perhaps God is just one of many & wants us to himself while the others are willing to share. I have a friend who is a Christian & he believe that there are more then one God but he does believe that the Judeo-Christian God is in charge.

Satan is playing with us.

So what your asking is what do Christians think of the people who have talked to other gods other then theirs?

Nice Christians will say that if you think you are talking to lets say Zeus you are actually talking to God but don't realize it or mean christians will say your talking to Satan or one of his buddies who are tricking you or theres hypocritical christians who call you crazy for talking to Zeus.

People take from the Bible what they wish, of course. In other posts, I have commented on the "lawyerly" phrasing of the first commandments (numbered differently by different denominations). My belief is that they are "lawyerly" for a reason, as a crafty compromise between two cultures, both Jewish, needing one definitive text of the national epic.

That was then, this is now. It is the fate of everything that is written down to acquire the interpretations of its readership, however remote from its authors' intentions. That keeps the work in print. Dead letter can thus become living word.

By all means, Norwood, make of the injunction whatever you will. Its authors are dead and will not object. In life, they would have been tickled to think that you would even care, so far from them in space and time.

And if you asked God, "Are you one, or are you many?" don't surprised if the answer is "Yes."

God is

universal (in fact "he" and the universe are one and the same.)

Therefore "he" is omniscient and omnipresent.

sentient.

creative (thus composed of physical matter with the will, consciousness and energy to manipulate matter.)

Thus "he" is also composed of energy.

There are probably other qualities about god which can be deduced through observation and analysis, but generally i suspect that since the develpment of human sentience ( however that came about) humans have been physically encountering the same real entity.
The different faiths, religions and other "spin" put onto these encounters, can almost entirely be explained away by humans restricted ability to see and understand god, through their current cultural and scientific understandings.

Thus the more sophisticated the culture, the more sophisticated an interpretation members of that culture put on their experiences with god. However, if you look at the underlying messages there are some consistencies among many, which point to a common message or messages god is trying to communicate.

An athiest would say this is simply basic human nature creating the same attributes for god in many different cultures, but once you acknowledge the reality of god, and his record of contact with humanity, you have to come up with a different rationale.

People can learn much from gods of all persuasions, but some will resonate more with different individuals. Some concepts of god become so powerful that they take on a huge social/religious construct that bears little relationship to the true nature of god. Thats why its better to go back to the basics, whenever you are seeking to discover the true nature of god, and to establish your own personal relationship with him(or her, or it )

I find it difficult to dispute the worship of a druid or a gaeaist for example, although personally the social and ethical system which has developed around both the judaeo christian and the islamic religions has a wider appeal. I think it provides a framework for quite sophisticated social systems to live by, where i am not sure that druidism does. It may be my ignorance, but it seems something that would not provide a full legal/ethical and social code of conduct for people to live by in urban communities. Druids may well provide such a system from a code of ethics which comes from outside their religious experience, for example.

Mr Walker so you do not believe in negative spiritual entities or that they might have the capability to deceive?

Not that I am disagreeing with anything you wrote above.

It is interesting that you ask this. I've always wondered myself the details, but not quite sure of the general answer. In the Qur'an it says the Idols you worship beside Allah (subhana wa ta'allah) will deny you and exclaim that your worship was in vain. There is a lot of symbolism and metaphor in the Qur'an so I'm not sure if that can be taken literally.

I do not believe that those of us who believe differently from the Christians are talking to anything evil. As a Pagan I have never had those I worship tell me to do anything bad or harm anyone. Some might say that we're being tricked & if thats the case whats taking them so long? Even clovis said he has run with the Goddess so he was running the the devil so to speak? I just don't see it. There are people who believe that we all are on the same path & perhaps we are we just have different ways of getting there.

Hi Norwood,

Has your God, or spirit ever confessed to being the almighty God spoken about in scripture and or creator of this universe?

Have you ever talked with your God and recieved answers to your Questions.

I do not say they are evil, Or even bad spirits unless they are claiming to Be the Father of this world.

That would be trying to steal credit from the one who did create this world and your spirit.

Next time ask, I;m courious to hear tha answer.

The Mother and Father(God) I speak with do claim what I asked you, and the heavenly Host backs this claim.

It is understandable if you do not believe me, but what does your God say?
(First hand Please)
Love Omnaka

I'm sure that you believe that your God is the one true God & thats fine I have no problem with that. I personally believe the Gods I worship are the creators of this world & all worlds. I don't think a God would need to boast about such things make them sound petty if you ask me. Perhaps it's the Judeo-Christian God who is taking credit from others? Why does your God need to prove himself? You can not admit that he doesn't the bible is full of God boasting from start to finish.

The better question is who's gods are mute and who's are not? Who is able to commune with their gods and who only has faith they are there but have never made contact?

I guess it depends on what your going by. One can say well there are more Christians so they are right & only they talk to the one true God. Which would lead others to believe that the rest of us are worshipping Satan.

No, I did not mean that at all. Just who's gods are mute and who's gods talk to them. I am sure there are many who self identify with Christianity but have never had a spiritual experience, who have never communed with the Spirit, and are just believing in it because they 'think' God exist.

It was not a Boast, Just a simple answer to my question, Father to My and all spirit on this world. The physical is made Of spirit.

Love Omnaka

Sorry I was not trying to say that you were boasting but the God of the bible does.

Yeah that crossed my mind has well.

It is nice how druids can commune with the land. Nature is beautiful through and through. Not like anyone can say look nature does not exist cause it clearly does lol

Some of the people I respect the most on this forum are the ones who say I cannot know for fact if God exists or not and until then I will not follow God.

Iwas talking about Father, God of this world. and I suspect it was the sons of God doing the Boasting, although I could see Father saying sompthing potent to get his message across.

He does not need to say much,

I went to heaven once and Laughed at another who was in misery, Father in a stern voice said"We Dont Have room For this Up here" Then I shrank down and put myseff in a type of remorse and state the one I laughed at was in.
I was not so much laughing at his state, but the shape and color of the entity I saw.

First trip to spirit world, It was a lesson of great proportions, He does not boast, no need to, He loves unconditional, when one feels this love, He might boast, it is understandable, for there is not much in this world to compare Father, and Mother's love.

Love Omnaka

I thought you were referring to the point that man worships money more than God. How many here are prepared to give it all , all of it , up for God. ? I doubt any. myself included and again kinda hypocritical. talk is cheap.

there is more than one facet of God. as individualistic to each of us as we are to each other. satan ? lol.

everyone has a 'spiritual ' experience in their life , but some don't realize it . always looking for something outside themselves to define it. no 2 experiences are the same nor should they be.

plenty can have a spiritual experience , 'hear' God and later years hear and feel nothing. like mother teresa. Rarely is spirituality a constant , but waxes and wanes - that's how it grows. you can't feel the same at 40 that you did when you were 20 otherwise you wouldn't have grown at all.

sometimes , in the course of that growth , you have to hang on to 'thinking' God exists.

it's like Love. You meet - it's high strung , hard and fast , full impact................. it settles down ... becomes comfortable........ then one day you find yourself laying next to someone you don't know ............. wait ......... suddenly or slowly you recognize them again ........... love comes back but more mature , quieter. ......... ebbs and flows.


( of course again none of this is proof of an existance) just in case.

I have to admit your ideas of Christianty are intresting to say the least. Your ideas of heaven are much different then other Christians here & outside of this fourm. Like others here have said Satan can take many forms & he plays tricks on people. (not that I believe in any of that myself) However lets says that is true & he can, he might of played you as well.

Omnaka is part of New Age Christianity (I am generalizing for I never heard him say he is a Christian). The ones who will welcome the aliens with open arms. The kind who believe only in the Bible like me will reject the aliens. Most likely we will be the ones put in concentration camps in the future. The New Agers who speak of Christ say it is the same one of the Bible but their beliefs have nothing to do with the Bible per se.

Not that Omnaka believes what the following video shows below but he might, since it is about Maitreya and not aliens, it sort of explains the difference between the two types of Christians. One type is not really Christian but New Age but they will say they are Christian but their views are closer to New Age (which New Age itself covers a wide range of beliefs with most having nothing to do with Christianity at all). That is just my view and people do not really like their beliefs placed in a box. But generally speaking there is a difference between the two.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2IWoxbY8DY

Nope The one Called Satan Tried me, and I found him out.

He is An old trickster. His heart will change hopefully after this world, and become a truly good spirit.

He is very good at wht he does though, teaching and experiencing us In the Mortal world.

Without Bad , how would one know Good?


The one called Satan does not love like Father, nore does he Have the light Of Father..

He works for Father at Father's request.

Father has no enemies, no matter what any scripture says.
Love Omnaka

I'm not saying anything is wrong for believeing as he does it's just different.

I am not saying anything is wrong either. But the difference is that Omnaka does not rely on the scriptures at all for his belief in Jesus or Christ or God. Omnaka has a direct line to the higher powers in his view so does not need the Bible.

Maybe I am wrong. But for most who believe in a New Age Christ it is not the same as a Biblical Christ.

To me that makes more sence then believeing on a book being that I've always seen thie bible has being flawed, because man had his greddy little hands on it. As long has it makes him happy thats all that matters.

Indeed as long as he is happy that is all that matters.

I did. There was an incredible amount of evil in and around my life. I grew tired and nothing had any meaning, any pleasure, any light to it anymore. I was on a permanent life sustaining medication, had been for years. I was in a public building and I just called it quits. I poured it all in a toilet and I flushed it. I spoke aloud and said "I have no use for my life anymore, so if for some reason you want it God, then it is yours."

I developed a blot clot and was taken in for xrays where the dye used made me feel like I was burning alive and I was screaming inside my mind for mercy, for death. My heart stopped and I was almost gone for good but they brought me out of it. When they did tests on me the condition I had had was gone. They called it spontaneous regeneration.

After that time my life has never really been my own, it has always been for others, but I do not regret it. I would rather serve in heaven than reign in hell.

I know that dye well. contrast dye. what illness did you have ? many can clear themselves up with time , go into remission on their own. Plenty of people are put on meds to treat things they really don't have - mistakes in dx.

Ive never experienced such a thing and i tend to be a person who does not believe in anyting on faith, but that does not mean they do not exist. Perhaps the fact that i seem to have angels watching over me and my life is filled with positive spiritual energy has prevented them from ever entering my sphere of conscious recognition.

Biblically there are certainly demons, fallen angels, and other entities, but no ghosts or human souls , because the human spirit/soul dies with the body to be resurrected at a much later time,( although to the individual human consciousness it will be but an instant) Satan is the great deceiver and thus any followere s of satan in the flesh or in the spirit tend to be skilled deceivers. I use common sense combined with the biblical injunction to "judge them by their works" Thus things which cause spiritual suffering are likely to be evil and those which uplift, inform, and educate the spirit, in positive ways, are likely to be good. Much the same with people really, but there are some very deceptive humans as well.
The satan i refer to here does not have to be the classical bilical figure but any spiritual entity which preys on human weaknesses and tries to convince them that they can indulge them selves, follow the carnal rather than the spiritual and still live a life filled with joy and happiness (rather simplistic interpretation but you probably understand what inm getting at)

More than that Main Think My beliefs don't hurt any One else. Love unconditional Usually does not do that.

Love Omnaka

Ps- I was born a Jew, POP POP was A rabbi, My brand Of belief Is the same as Father in Heaven, Unconditional love.

I still work at this every day, Not easy sometimes. But I know it's worth it.

Love conquers all.

Because Unconditional love is Father, and Mothers nature, This is why sirits who do not love run when ever Father is present, They run from love.

Hey Clovis, I watched the video, I agree with him that we can either Make a world now with love or Utterly Parish as a world.

Either way it does not Matter in the eternal scheme of Eternal life.

It won't effect God, Jesus Or my world to come. The choices are individual ones, all will judge his / Her own spirit fter this world has come to a close.

But I wait for no man For salvation, yet I wait for all men In salvation (love)

Father God has manifested and Baptised me behind My house, Father and Mother'Slove is what all are waiting for, I think we should spread this love whenever possible, Jesus is My Younger bro in the spirit world, I love him dearly But we are one with Father's love , The message is Fathers we are just messengers, Or sons.

When My life has died down a little, House Going up for auction, Forclosed on May 23, Then after I start again, I wil finish editing My book, and tell the world Of Father, and Mother's love. Just too hectic right at the moment to work on spiritual Matters.

Love Omnaka

I just want to clarify that I read that correctly. But, may I ask, how do you know this?

I can speak with Father , I sent you a PM.

Love Omnaka

Thank you Omnaka for addressing my post and I meant no disrespect speaking about you to norwood. I also thought you would agree with the video. It is quite interesting in the way the world is becoming more aware of the concepts addressed within that video and that many more are starting to agree. As I have stated before I feel like the the tribesman portrayed in Mel Gibson's Apocalypto, caught on one side by the Aztecs (who in this analogy would represent the traditional church) and on the other by the first arrival of the Spanish galleons (who represent the New Age movement to me). The world is about to change and I cannot stop it.

Apcocalypto ending

A non-functioning thyroid gland. A lot of my hair fell out and I went into the first stages of coma, going in and out at far apart intervals where I was slapped back awake out of it. It was rough, as I was punished for four years for not working fast enough until it was obvious that I was not faking any illness.

Father won't stop it either, One way or another it's gonna happen, No worries though, It won't happen in your childs lifetime.So says Father.

We can go either way, as individuals we need not Go with the flock, Think for your self, This is what freewill And Educating the spirit is all about.

God bless, and A Happy sunday to you Clovis.

Love Omnaka

That was a good way of explaining it LT.

In my last several years my spirituality has matured and I have become more in tune with it as well as with myself. It does grow, and it transforms. My outlook at life surely is not as it was when I was 30 or 20 for that matter.

You also right that some dont realize it when they have had a spiritual encounter..They need the cosmic 2>< 4 in the head..
Nor the wisdom or knowledge to know if its good... I laugh and at the same time squinsh at these kids that want to contact demons etc and have no clue what they get into. Because there is evil as well...dont mistake that.

As I have matured, and my spiritual self has matured, so has my gift... I give many thanks for what i have too.
I think so many worry about what they dont have instead of being thankful for all the good they DO have. Why should God give you another blessing, when no one appreciates or gives thanks for what they already have...We're like spoiled children in some sense, and we all could use a good spanking at times... And I think we get it.

Everyones experiences are pretty much different. Some similar..But just as santa dispenses his wrapped up gifts at Christmas time to be opened...so too does the Lord dispense his gifts to us... some the same, some slightly different.... I surely dont have what my grandmother had...but Im thankful none the less for what little I do.

I did look to someone outside to define it... The Lord who gave it to me. All good I believe comes from him. And I will be eternally grateful I am A child of the Light and Lord.

I think we all have the same God, but just call him by different names...

Well, thanks for listening to me... Blessings

There are some who says that we're all on different paths but have diferent ways of getting there. The Gods I worship & the Christian God are two very different Gods. The Christian God demands you worship him or go to hell after you die. The Pagan Gods do not believe in hell nor do they demand anything from us. Two very different Gods indeed.

Hey bro,

Maybe that is just your and their interpretation Of God, and The true God of all is nothing like either of you think, or interpret God to Be??

Just an Idea.

Love Omnaka

If you read the bible thats what the Christian God wants no matter how you read it.

With respect, no its not. The bible clearly and unequivocally shows, both in the old and the new testaments that upon death both bodies and souls cease to exist. The soul goes into an unconsciou sstate compared in the bible to sleep. The bible also clearly abd unequivocally states that after resurrection. Some will be granted eternal life, while others will exprience the second death of both body and soul.

There is no biblical basis for hell, and thus should be no christian basis for it. Certainly the concept evolved during the reconstruction of original christianity by the catholic church. It may have been an innocent mistake or a deliberate falsificatin to create a greater threat over people. So for whole churches, denominations, and individual christians, they read the bible and do not see that that is what the christian god wants, at all.

Like I said , All books were written by Men, Interpreted By man, For what ever gains. I know Father and Mother (GOD), Their love is unconditional twards all Spirits That they created, Yes, They hate Not. Ha, Did I just contradict the Bible,? so be it.

Those who do evil will not , when returned to full consciousness, be able to meld with Father's love light.

Even though Father loves them unconditionally, their freewill will not let them.

Their self acountability with full consciousness will shy them away to another reality.
A dark sad place. Father does not do this, The individual spirit does.

God wants love unconditional, Nothing more nothing less.

God needs nothing.

Its not Love if it's forced, Bought, Sold, or solicited

It can only be Given freely with out condition.

Love Omnaka

The God you believe in differes from what others here believe. The God of the bible is different he seems to need us to worship him if he didn't then he would not be sending people to hell for making thier own choices.

Show me where. I'll show you where you got two choices heaven or hell.