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Rosewin
He does not need us to worship Him for if that was so He would have not given us free will. Sure He would like us to worship Him. He sends no one to hell. He wants us all to get a chance to be good on our own or to use the Spirit to help purify our soul so that when we die we can be in His presence. Without goodness or purity we would simply die if we were to be in His full presence. Yes, there is things that one can do that drive us further from purity, but it is us who choose not Him if we do those things to drive us away from what is good. There is no need to read the Bible for those who reject the Bible still have what is good and the law written on their heart and they will still be judged, not by the Book like believers, but by their own conscience.
Omnaka
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ May 5 2008, 05:37 AM) *
The God you believe in differes from what others here believe. The God of the bible is different he seems to need us to worship him if he didn't then he would not be sending people to hell for making thier own choices.

You do not seem to believe in This God of the bible either, so don't let it wory you.

What kind of sense would it make For God to make something , just to condemn it to eternal hell.

Again, the individual spirit does this to it's self, Father still loves it but the spirit who judges itself will not believe it cause it can't love itself..

The God of the Bible and every other religion is the God I love, But I do not subscribe to the rhetoric given with condition that their books , written by man, spew.

Heavenly Father and Mother, Creator of all spirit, love all spirit unconditionally, no matter what some book or doctrin would like one to believe.

Love Omnaka
norwood1026
QUOTE (Omnaka @ May 5 2008, 05:47 AM) *
You do not seem to believe in This God of the bible either, so don't let it wory you.

What kind of sense would it make For God to make something , just to condemn it to eternal hell.

Again, the individual spirit does this to it's self, Father still loves it but the spirit who judges itself will not believe it cause it can't love itself..

The God of the Bible and every other religion is the God I love, But I do not subscribe to the rhetoric given with condition that their books , written by man, spew.

Heavenly Father and Mother, Creator of all spirit, love all spirit unconditionally, no matter what some book or doctrin would like one to believe.

Love Omnaka



For me what little I do know about your belifes make more sence the the God of the bible, only because your belifes to not seem to worry about what man writtings.
norwood1026
QUOTE (Clovis @ May 5 2008, 05:41 AM) *
He does not need us to worship Him for if that was so He would have not given us free will. Sure He would like us to worship Him. He sends no one to hell. He wants us all to get a chance to be good on our own or to use the Spirit to help purify our soul so that when we die we can be in His presence. Without goodness or purity we would simply die if we were to be in His full presence. Yes, there is things that one can do that drive us further from purity, but it is us who choose not Him if we do those things to drive us away from what is good. There is no need to read the Bible for those who reject the Bible still have what is good and the law written on their heart and they will still be judged, not by the Book like believers, but by their own conscience.




If he don't need anything then why create such a place as hell? Again I do not know of any self-respecting partent who would send thier child to such a place. He created us for some reason was he lonley?
Omnaka
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ May 5 2008, 05:57 AM) *
If he don't need anything then why create such a place as hell? Again I do not know of any self-respecting partent who would send thier child to such a place. He created us for some reason was he lonley?

Because the repentant child of love , Or God, judges his self and puts himself in a state of remorse, Father just gives him a safe place to do it in. This is not forever. Again don't believe everything you read in books.

Father did not create Hell either Individuals nwho cant , or wont step in to Fathers love light after this world out of repentance Or even fear, Made this place called Hell , = Absense of Fathers love light. Father has nothing to do with it, My suggestion, swim twards the light after this Life, and This light will cleans you.

Many cannot , for how they have treated Fathers Other child, Your brother.

God does not do it, the individual spirit does . what sense does it make to blame God for your freewill?

Father and Mother love all, Unconditionally, If you cant believe me, It is understandable, but true nonetheless

Love Omnaka
norwood1026
QUOTE (Omnaka @ May 5 2008, 06:12 AM) *
Because the repentant child of love , Or God, judges his self and puts himself in a state of remorse, Father just gives him a safe place to do it in. This is not forever. Again don't believe everything you read in books.

Father did not create Hell either Individuals nwho cant , or wont step in to Fathers love light after this world out of repentance Or even fear, Made this place called Hell , = Absense of Fathers love light. Father has nothing to do with it, My suggestion, swim twards the light after this Life, and This light will cleans you.
Love Omnaka


I do not believe everything I read that why I can see why you follow your heart & thats how you follow your God.

Again bibically speaking he did create hell. Still he must of needed something thats why he created humans. Why created something you do not need?

Off to bed 2 Am here sleepy.gif Be Blessed my friend.
Paranoid Android
I believe that when the Bible is speaking of worshipping other gods, it is referring to false idols. Isaiah 2 in reference to gods of other nations states of the people: Their land is full of idols; they bow down to the work of their hands, to what their fingers have made. (Isaiah 2:8). There is a clear indication that the gods of the other nations are not in any way real but are just idolatrous carvings made by craftsmen. However, in the modern context, we can think of "God-worship" as anything we put as the head of our lives. If we put career or money or power as the most important thing, then we could be said to be worshipping it. But strictly speaking, I think the Old Testament primarily relates idols as false-gods.

However, in relation to the specific question about people from other religious beliefs claiming to talk to their god/s/esses, there are a few factors to consider. For some, I think they are flat-out lying (and that goes for Christians also - I'm certain there are some people who claim to have spoken with God but have not done so). Others may actually have an undiagnosed illness (multiple-personality disorder, for example) and mistake their illness for divine intervention. Others may have tricked their consciousnesses into thinking they are speaking to their deity (and again this goes for Christians as well as non-Chrsitians).

Or there may be some kind of spiritual power. I do believe there is a world beyond our own perception. A "spirit realm" for lack of a better term, where there are beings who most of us cannot hear or see or interact with. And I believe there are some gifted individuals who have the ability to see this world. I don't believe this to be a specific gift from God, but just a natural ability some people have. And these spirit beings, I believe, have the power to interact with us and influence us. They are not all "evil", and certainly not all under the control of Satan. But neither are they necessarily "good". I have no defined idea on what these beings are like since I cannot see them.

So when it comes to other religions and people hearing their gods, I believe they could be these spirit-beings. They may not be "evil" or Satan working to deceive, but by the same token, I do not believe they are the one true God, which I believe is the God spoken of in the Bible.

Hope this answer is helpful thumbsup.gif

~ Regards, PA
Paranoid Android
As an aside, to direct a comment to the current discussion on "Hell" I am in agreement with Mr Walker on this one. There is no "hell" in the traditional sense. There is an alternative to heaven, but I believe that is a death of body and soul, a complete and Second Death, as Revelation describes it. Revelation does not say "cast into the Lake of Fire which is a place of eternal torment", it says "Cast into the lake of Fire which is the second death". Though to be fair (and to somewhat play Devils' Advocate, I don't like basing any doctrine solely off Revelation, because of the symbolic overtones).

I believe that the concept of Hell has been a completely misunderstood belief by many Christians. There are three words translated in Greek as "Hell", and only one of them refers to a place of torture. That is mentioned only once in the entire New Testament and is in relation only to Satan and his angels, no one else (particularly no human) is described as going to this place. Yet people will quote this verse, along with a verse about Hades (which in Greek means "a grave", but is translated into English as "Hell") and they put these two verses together as "proof" that it is a place of punishment. They aren't even the same word, but yet they are used as if they are rolleyes.gif

Most of the time when the Bible refers to hell as a place of heat and torture it is in the context of a parable, and parables are NOT realistic stories. most of the other places where it is not a parable, it is the word gehenna which is actually a place of fire in the very real and literal sense - it's a valley where people burned their rubbish, and if they couldn't afford burials, their dead as well were burned there.

In all my study, I have come across only a small number of passages that contextually may be read in the sense that Hell is really a place of torture (by "small number", I mean I can count them on the fingers of one hand). If we compare this to the countless passages which show Hell to be something else, it is my humble and most biased opinion that there can be only one conclusion - Hell as a place of torture and punishment is just highly unlikely.

All the best,

~ Regards, PA
norwood1026
QUOTE (Paranoid Android @ May 5 2008, 09:54 AM) *
In all my study, I have come across only a small number of passages that contextually may be read in the sense that Hell is really a place of torture (by "small number", I mean I can count them on the fingers of one hand). If we compare this to the countless passages which show Hell to be something else, it is my humble and most biased opinion that there can be only one conclusion - Hell as a place of torture and punishment is just highly unlikely.
All the best,
~ Regards, PA



Even if hell is nothing more then a sepration of God which is what some people believe, it still makes no sence.
norwood1026
[quote name='Paranoid Android' - Hell as a place of torture and punishment is just highly unlikely.
All the best,
~ Regards, PA
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So even your not sure but though out the bible hell is talked about. The Jews talk about Sheol which they believe once your dead thats it for you. However Sheol has been compared to Hades.


The word "hell" is found in many Bible translations. In the same verses other translations read "the grave," "the world of the dead," and so forth. Other Bibles simply transliterate the original-language words that are sometimes rendered "hell"; that is, they express them with the letters of our alphabet but leave the words untranslated. What are those words? The Hebrew she’ohlŽ and its Greek equivalent haiŽdes, which refer, not to an individual burial place, but to the common grave of dead mankind; also the Greek geŽen·na, which is used as a symbol of eternal destruction. However, both in Christendom and in many non-Christian religions it is taught that hell is a place inhabited by demons and where the wicked, after death, are punished (and some believe that this is with torment)
norwood1026
QUOTE (Paranoid Android)
some[/i] gifted individuals who have the ability to see this world. I don't believe this to be a specific gift from God, but just a natural ability some people have. And these spirit beings, I believe, have the power to interact with us and influence us. They are not all "evil", and certainly not all under the control of Satan. But neither are they necessarily "good". I have no defined idea on what these beings are like since I cannot see them.
So when it comes to other religions and people hearing their gods, I believe they could be these spirit-beings. They may not be "evil" or Satan working to deceive, but by the same token, I do not believe they are the one true God, which I believe is the God spoken of in the Bible.
Hope this answer is helpful thumbsup.gif
~ Regards, PA


Like Darkwind said in another post I have never been mis-lead by the Gods I worship. I personally believe that there are more then just the Christian God & he wants us to worship him over the other Gods. I have never led cliam that my Gods are the one true Gods I do not believe that they would not need to make such a boast either.
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