in 1991 an american in england stomped this message into some crops

3 days later there was a reply within a mile of the above image
its a form of latin . apponos astos which translates to oppose trickery
or oppose fakes

that would take a hell of a lot of stomping

why bother?

Interesting yet frustrating. Are these actually of alien creation? How do they know latin? How advanced are they?

Where are the answers?

So Aliens know Latin now.

Well, heck, who do you think taught us?

The form of latin used is not really an often studied form(its as close to extinct as a language can be) .also, it is written in masonic script.

either an elaborate hoax by a linguist
or something else

i just tell it like i see it

I don't understand why people would go out in the middle of the night to stomp around for hour's creating a message that is trying to suggest contact with aliens....
on second thoughts yes I do! I imagine that if someone is bored and has nothing better to do , actually that would be quite a buzz and very funny seeing your efforts shown in all of the newspapers.

Well I still can't believe that folks still think that crop circles are the work of alien beings.... it seems perfectly clear that they are the product of hoaxers and fraudsters - usually intellectual, but definitely misguided.

I've only ever seen one crop circle which might have been caused by an 'alien craft' landing in the field - it was messy and ragged and appeared very windswept, as if a large round object had descended directly from above.

At the end of the day crop circles are just abit of fun because if aliens did want to communicate why would they bother leaving pretty patterns. If you believe then your easyly amused!

The translations says "oppose trickery or oppose fake"

Fake as in false crop circles that are made by hoaxers? So if aliens are telling us not to believe the hoaxers, then these drawings must mean something else.

If they can speak to us in latin, then they should have drawn messages in latin and not in crop circles. These crop circles must have a distinct character, possibly part of a greater language, used.

It's funny how 10 years ago crop circles were, just that, circles. No one ever suspected they were Aliens trying to comunicate, they were always thought of as where flying saucers had landed in the night and taken off again.
And now they're so damn elaborate and everyone thinks it's Aliens trying to tell us something or making landmarsk so they can find their way around by the sky etc etc.
I think it's really funny. Especially since i myself have gone out there with a couple buddies and created a quite elaborate pattern of circles that everyone was talking about for months afterwards.
All fakes.

Thank you, BurnSide. Sanity rules once again... yay.

Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and if they want to believe it's an alien with a lazer beam shooting patterns in fields from their spaceships, so be it.

i was gonna let this go, really i was

i just cant take it

Once again UniversalAbsurdity, is universally correct. He's got you guys there.

Okay, here's a counter argument for you:

If the crop circles we've had, those which cannot be debunked as hoaxes but which are, as you say, perplexing unexplained mysteries, were created by intelligent beings from the nether reaches of space, why would they choose to leave (for the most part) incomprehensible messages or pretty patterns in crops? If there is a message to convey, why not choose another medium with which to communicate it, and what's wrong with stating the message overtly? Surely it would be easier than squishing crops.

What would be the point of producing a geometrically accurate spirial, say, and what would be the message?

The whole idea leans to show-off hoaxers rather than a cogent exercise in communications from extraterrestrials...

I agree with Loonster, why not just come out and say it? And if they at least know latin, why not try that? If aliens are actually trying to communicate with us, it stands to reason they'd try a language we'd actually know. Hell, if they want to talk so bad, why not just show up at the fair or something for a little face to face? It would make sense.

This debate has been covered by me and MickyBoy. Visit this link to get the special debate, that had taken place earlier this week.

Crop Circles: Method or Lie?

Sample Arguement of mine:

how do you know that crop formations arent for the alien's own agenda?

There are people who try to decipher what crop circles may mean. there are a wide variety of interpretations of what they could represent. some say theyre prophetic messages of upcoming astronaumical events (they predict solar flares, and events such as our closest approach to mars)
while other circles are sound waves interpreted as images.

from what i gather, the pictogram types are the ones that fortell upcoming events, and the pattern/fractal designs represent music.

Here is a large website that has studies of crop formations, everything from real to fake
Crop Circular

I like the idea of crop circles being created by sound. I often wonder if there is a way to attache sound to light.

If the formations are being sent here then sound seems like a good way to preserve the message throughout space or through dimensions.

They seem to be clues that we have to discern in order to be prepared for whatever......instead of just giving us the whole message the sender wants the learning process to be tantamount to the final state of understanding.

Thanks for that Site UniversalAbsurdity. Very educational.

It sickens me at the thought of people who work in the government misleading people. Why? There should be law against this. It'll only leave people confused after others have figured it out.

No problem, blue
although i've yet to look over the entire site myself, what i did look at proved to be very educational

CLICK HERE loon boy its an article on crop circle prophecy

you believe what you want.
i just wanted to point out that not all crop formations are "fake"
what you're asking me is to point out what the "real" ones are , and i cant do that.
no one has been able to. which was my point in the first place.

Actually there is a way to find out which ones are real or not and it has to do with how the plants are altered at the cellular level also there is a residue that is left in the crop circles as well. This is a sure fire way to tell the difference.

Check it out http://www.bltresearch.com/plantab.html

I beleive allot are Hoaxed as loonboy stated, But a Scentific Studies which i watched, tryed to replicate excactly the unexplainable Crop circles, Unfortunatley they failed the problem they encountered was carrying out the following

Another argument from my corner, :

If crop circles are being manufactured by extraterrestrials visiting this planet, why have they only been seen predominantly in the last couple of decades? Ufo reports have abounded as long as man has been recording the events he witnesses, so it should follow that crop circles would have been around for as long, given that they are messages for us...

Why make elaborate patterns such as fractals and spirals, circles and odd geometric designs? Exactly what message is this supposed to convey?

Why is it so important for the Ufos not to be seen creating the crop circles? If we are to understand that our alien visitors made them, why are there not concomitant sightings at each site? Surely it would be more beneficial for us to link directly the two, so that understanding could begin?

Why bend the stalks of the crops and leave altered cellular structure at all? Would it not be simpler to squish the crops and save time?

Why are there no other mediums used in which the designs could be imprinted, such as sand for example, or grass?

I think some of them are hoaxes, but the rest of them are the real deal. Maybe some are maps of some kind?

One of the earliest reports was in Lyon in 815AD, and a late 16th Century woodcut depicts the devil mowing a field into patterns. They began to appear in significant numbers in the fields of southern England in the mid-1970s. Early circles were quite simple, and simply appeared, overnight, in fields of wheat, rape, oat, and barley. The crops are flattened, the stalks bent but not broken.

As the crop circle phenomenon gained momentum, formations have also been reported in Australia, South Africa, China, Russia, and many other countries, frequently in close proximity to ancient sacred sites. For the thousands reported every year, the vast majority go completely undetected. Most of the complex formations occur in the United Kingdom and they are also more likely to be detected because of the country's smaller land mass.

Over the last 25 years, the formations have evolved from simple, relatively small circles to huge designs with multiple circles, elaborate pictograms, and shapes that invoke complex non-linear mathematical principles. Since the early 1990s, however, the phenomenon has grabbed world attention, as the formations evolved into enormous, increasingly mathematically complex and perfectly executed shapes appearing in fields, often near the sacred sites of Wiltshire.

The largest to date, a perfectly formed spiral formation 244 metres in diameter, composed of 409 circles covering almost the entire field, appeared overnight on a rainy night at Milk Hill in Wiltshire Aug. 12, 2001.

The movie Signs, starring Mel Gibson, while universally scorned by serious crop circle researchers, nevertheless renewed interest in crop circles after years of the phenomenon being dismissed in the media as a sophisticated hoax, following the announcement of two elderly landscape painters named Doug Bower and Dave Chorley who confessed in 1991 that they had been making crop circles in English grain fields since the 1970s after reading about the Tully, Australia Saucer Nest of 1966. The truth is that they were both unable to draw a decent crop circle in daytime and to remember the exact location of their exploits.

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"Prehistoric cave paintings in the Prince Regent River Valley in Western Australia seem to depict crop circles and UFOs, overseen by aboriginals. An account of crops flattened by "magical storms" was also described by Agobard, Bishop of Lyons in 815 AD, a famous UFO case that allegedly involved extraterrestrials. A woodcut called "The Mowing Devil" marked a formation that appeared during the night of August 22, 1678 AD"

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i posted 2 sources just to show how easy a "crop circle history" google search was.
i too find it odd that only recently has the phenomenon boomed so much. i suppose its the media, not too many people could hear about the 'mowing devil' back in 1678, so there was'nt too much hoaxing going on.
maybe that is the same reason for the increase in 'real' circles and formations. whoever or whatever is doing it may feel as though they're being outdone. or, it could be that the circles were never meant to be seen by the public, but since they are, and are being mimicked, why hide them? no one would really believe theyre 'real' anyway.

The Mowing Devil woodcut depicts a devil 'raking' a field in a circular pattern but does it actually mean this is a 'crop circle' and the explanation for it is devillish? You could interpret it in any number of ways and it is not proof of a crop circle at all, unfortunately, despite it being popularly believed as being so.

Once again, the suspicions grow when, as you pointed out above, UA, that the complexity of the patterns and designs have increased along with the quantity of crop circles - the most logical explanation being that the hoaxers are getting better at their work and trying to dazzle.

I think Doug and Dave did their share, but there are a lot more impressive hoaxers out there in the fields.

I don't doubt that mysterious circles have appeared in crops throughout the past few hundred years or so, and if they were infrequent and widely spaced, I would be more inclined to think there might be other explanations, but this last 25-30 years or so of mass-produced crop circles makes me suspicious.

"Crop circles are sometimes accompanied by trilling sounds, since captured on tape and analysed by NASA as being artificial in origin, and bearing a harmonic frequency of 5.2 kHz. Other anomalies indicate increased infrared output within and around a new formation, indicating that both the heat content of the plants and the underlying watershed have been affected.

Mathematically, genuine crop circles encode obscure theorems based on Euclidian geometry as well as the principles of sacred geometry. So far,the designs have yielded five new theorems.

Crop circles alter the local electromagnetic field: often, compasses cannot locate north, cameras and cellular phones malfunction. Packs of fresh batteries are drained, and aircraft equipment fails whilst flying above them. Radio frequencies are markedly different inside their space, local farm animals avoid that particular area or simply act agitated hours before one materializes, and car batteries in entire villages fail to operate the morning after one is found nearby. In some of the major events, entire towns have been left without power.

Since genuine crop circles materialize at crossing points along the Earth's electromagnetic energy currents, they are influencing the energy pattern of local phehistoric sites. They reference local Neolithic sites in size/shape/direction, and are dowsable upon entry, with as many as 150 concentric rings of energy outside their physical perimeter, like ripples in a pond. In fact, a year after they have been harvested and the field ploughed and re-sown, the energy imprint of the formations will still be dowsed, long after their physical traces have vanished."

Crop circular "crop circles for beginners" i think you would find the whole article interesting LB. this particular part is about 5 paragraphs from the bottom of the page.

"1996 was a good year for crop circles around Stonehenge as well. In July of that year the Julia Set appeared just across the main A303 road from Stonehenge. It had 212 circles in it. The person who discovered it flew over Stonehenge looking for crop circles early one morning and saw nothing in that field. When the pilot flew back over the site forty minutes later, the Julia Set was in place! So who built it unseen out there in plain sight like that? This story has become part of the crop circle mythology that has been building up in the last decade. "

The julia story link

i hope you enjoyed this, dont take the information with a truck load of salt eh?

UA

Playing devil's advocate here for a moment...

If you take it that crop circles are genuine phenomenon and not produced by hoaxers then you are left with two possibilities:

1: the circles were produced by another intelligence or intelligences.
2: the circles were produced by a natural phenomenon.

Problems again arise from the questions: what is it that the intelligences are trying to convey? Is there a message? What is the purpose of creating them?

If it is natural, what would cause them to make such precice and detailled and divergent designs? If one phenomenon were responsible, surely each circle would be more or less exactly the same?


PS: thank you for the links.

i would agree with your idea that if the circles were a natural occourence then they would more or less be the same. i would like to add that if they were natural, the proucesses that produce them would have been around before 1970, and i'm sure it would happen on a much more regular basis.

so, with that ruled out i guess its left to intelligent design. unfortunately any crop circle interpretation i found online was some nut on a religious rampage, or some other nut that thinks the universe tells them what the formations mean. it seemed any credible interpretation is stuck in a book or two that i dont really want to pay for.

in that case, the interpretation is left to the viewer. i guess untill the messages are obvious they will remain a mystery.

Also, if the cause was natural phenomena, why does it only happen in vegetation? Why does it not happen in populated areas or at sea or wherever? Why just in crop fields or similar?

That said, to be fair, I'm no longer as totally convinced that they are all hoaxes. You have sown the seeds of doubt in my mind, UA. Curse you for that!

If the Crop Circles are created by Aliens or other such beings would it also be fair to question whether they are messages intended for us or are they for the own communication purposes ?.
Maybe that is why we are unable to decipher them.

It's a fair point, TO, but you'd have to question why they would need to leave circular 'labels' in fields when they have ships that can either travel between star systems or between dimensions. Surely a simple radio would do to convey messages?

Maybe the vegetation fields are perfect little sandboxes for them to practice drawings in.



I also think you're giving the intelligence of the hoaxers too much credit if you're saying they're all done by hoaxers. These things are often very elaborate, complex, and difficult to make because of the mathematics involved. Though I admit, if I found out a group of unruly mathematicians, tired of being labelled as geeks and outcast from society, had been going around our planet and making crop circles... I'd die of laughter.

They're truly bizarre and fascinating, no matter what the final explanation.

I agree with your point totally LB, but then I would also have to ask another question. If the Aliens/Beings that create these Crop Circles do not need to communicate with each other this way because the have the ability to use radio or more sophisticated means to do so, Why would the do it to communicate with us ?. We also have far better way to communicate than that also.