No you assumed and jumped to conclusion, I made no remark about you or any individual and nor was it meant to imply any individual.


That one.

I don't, sorry about 10% of humans are highly intelligent, but that is all. Half are very stupid in my opinion, just from casual observation.

Yes....they (the 90%) may be under-developed....or damaged......but if you haven't had all the
ingredients for the capability cake....with the intelligent icing on top.....you're not going to have the chance
to shine........

May, but I don't think so.

I see now the reason for our cliche is solely my fault.I forgot to say that the quote that I made was for plane humor and nothing else.

Sorry.It is I who was rude actually I made wrong assumptions to early.

No problem.

There is a lot going around in the world thats for sure.
Everybody is always going places and listening to their own types of music.
Too many not open minded enough people like me. I think if more people like
bee & theghost existed, people could solve issues.

like.. the government. the government is a serious issue. we are all effected by the government.
some people don't like the government, you know? but mcfoogle likes the government because it gives us things.
good things. you never think of them do you? well, mcfoogle does. mcfoogle thinks about the good things
all the time. especially the good things the government gives us. like military protection. good point. Mcfoogle knows this.




Bee, mcfoogle enjoys himself already.

Meh. I think profound ignorance is an essential part of human nature; it's the bits of beauty and wisdom that slip out occasionally that are the real flukes, and for most of our history, we've been so convinced of that we chalk them up to deities.

--Jaylemurph

Matt,

I thought it was funny.

Neo,

I think he was just making a witticism here.

Harte

I think I like mcfoogle already.....in fact...I'm sure......I DO

I hardly know what to say to that........except........Life of Brian......all together now......

Good post. Some of us already realize this. Unfortunately it seems most do not.

There are a lot of weird "coincidences" about 9/11 that should have everyone asking questions. Instead, most people don't even know about the weird circumstances surrounding much of what took place on that day. It's a shame.

My guess is because it is discussing alternative history based upon the belief that what we are told, and what is often held as popular belief, isn't always true. For example, much of what happened on 9/11, and the events that led up to why it not only happened, but why it was allowed to happen.

Think about it, where has the majority of the population gotten their info about what took place on 9/11?

Criminal investigations take months, if not years to be properly figured out. 9/11 happens and were supposed to believe that while the government had no clue such an attack was going to occur, they still manged to "solve the crime" within 24 hours - I don't think so.

If the government had to put their case through a trial, using the evidence they've told us about, and went against a defense team that could ask the proper questions in regards to all the weird circumstances and connections involving what took place on 9/11, I doubt the governments case would come off as being all that strong.

How's he being a hypocrite?

You may not have said "it's no big deal", but your response is made as if that's how you feel about it. It's as if your saying, "Yes it does happen, now let's just accept it and move on."

Too many people already accept it, most without even realizing they are doing so. It's a problem.

He stated that propaganda existed same as me, yet had a problem with me doing such.

'Hypocrisy, is the act of opposing or not purporting a belief or behaviour while holding the same beliefs or behaviours at the same time, or vice versa'.

There you are...

Yet, would you care to venture a guess on how many threads about this very subject are in the "Conspiracy" section?

Harte

I think part and parcel of being a Conspiracy theory is a peculiar brand of messianism. They have to spread their truth and they have to save us, too. Like a lot of Christian messianics, they don't care if we don't want to be saved, and they're immune to breaking down and throwing insults (subtly as LF here does or less tactfully as friend Zaus does) if we don't take their schtick without question.

Of course, Bob Dobbs'll smite those b****es and teach 'em all a lesson.

--Jaylemurph

Still,

This thread does not belong in this section.

If this is a "mystery" at all (and I say it's not,) it will be a few years before it qualifies as an "Ancient Mystery."

Although I have to agree that the 9/11 conspiracy shriekers certainly subscribe to an "Alternative History" viewpoint.

Harte

Oh, don't get me wrong; I agree completely. Chuck it to the CT section. As is my wont, I was just lecturing. Except for the Bob Dobbs bit. He IS our short-term interim saviour, and he will smite people.

--Jaylemurph

Dude, get it right.

It's "Bob" Dobbs, not Bob Dobbs.

You forgot the halo.



Harte

Ahem.

If we're getting picky about my lord and saviour, it's ' J. R. "Bob" Dobbs. ' Or do I need to start the smiting myself? I'll do that. I'll smite people.

--Jaylemurph

Well, you certainly are the cavalier one, aren't you?

I mean, what would your Basset Hound Overlord think of your worshipping among the subgenius flock?

Indeed, sir, it may be you that gets "smitten." Or, would that be "bitten?"

H.

Lol another good post bee

If you had bought my book, We Were As Fleas on their Backs: The History of Our Basset Masters, you'd know that the bassets sent here to prepare the way for J R "Bob" Dobbs' coming.

And I've been bitten by bassets. Twice. On the face. I've got the scars to prove it.

--Jaylemurph

Egad, how could I have been so naive!

It's all becoming clear now. What a fool I've been!



I trust that you will, henceforward, obey, then?

Or will the Rolled-Up Newspaper of Supreme and Glorious Penance have to be brought down from it's perch above the altar?

Harte

I'd say having to be called "Ray", having to drink wine through a straw at my in-laws Thanksgiving, and a ridiculously swollen upper lip for 10 days was penance enough. (Although watching the triage Nurse try to convince me I'd have to put down Sebastian because "Now he's got a taste for HUMAN blood, sugar" was amusing.)

--Jaylemurph

There's plenty of them, but the context he has brought it up under fits this section.

I know what hypocrisy is, but I don't think that is what he was doing.

What are you talking about? I did no such thing. I'm simply expressing my thoughts on the subject.

You can believe whatever you want. I'm certainly not concerned with "saving" you, or anyone else that has a particular mindset that doesn't agree with my own.

If you choose to believe everything the government tells you, so be it. There is a lot more that goes on however then you are willing to accept.

The government is involved in pedophilia rings. The media knows this, yet they refuse to report on the story - why do you think that is?

Alternative History is exactly why it is in here. And no, not everyone who thinks there is more than what's been shown on the surface of 9/11 is a "wacko".

The Bush and Bin Laden families have business connections, yet most people don't know that, and those that do right it off as some crazy coincidence. Pretty bizarre, don't you think?

How bout the fact that we flew members of the Bin Laden family out of the country after 9/11 happened. Doesn't that make you raise an eyebrow? If it doesn't, it should.

Not all 'Bin Ladens' are terroists, people in the Oil business have many ties and connections throughout the world. Osama bin laden came from a wealthy background and his family had close links to the Saudi royal family surely a prosperous business link in anyones book.



As for the family retribution and revenge is a powerful thing, surely the act of one man should have no bearing on the fate of his family unless they are implicated.

Well... you're happy to subtly imply you're that much smarter than everyone else because you *really* understand what's going on, and the rest of us simps are too stupid or to afraid to realize it.

--Jaylemurph

I assure you that is not what my intentions were. I think you should look into what some of your comments have often implied about others however.

I don't claim to know everything. I in fact know very little about what happened on 9/11 - we ALL know very little about what really happened on 9/11 is what my point is.

Some people however aren't willing to question things about it, and that, in my opinion is a foolish stance to take. Even worse are those who won't only bother to question it, but then decide they will belittle those who are willing to do so.

So what are you trying to say? It's nothing more than a coincidence? The guy that runs the country has connections to the family of the man who destroyed the Twin Towers and you think nothing of it?



I think we could have kept them around to see what type of information they may have been able to provide. But no, instead we actually went and gave them special treatment just to get the Bin Laden's out of the US.

It truly amazes me what people are willing to disregard even when they know it's true. I can't understand how it doesn't make something click in your head that would at the very least make you start questioning things. I'm not saying to go around and declare an inside job or what have you, but just to at the very least make your head wonder, what and why and how? Seems so many aren't even willing to do that. They eat up whatever their told to eat up.

No i think something of it, the money involved. Your a bit stereotypical, hey lets prosecute the entire family of every murderer from now on that will solve peoples blood lust.



Once again revenge and retribution...also isnt this a deportation ? im sure you will find that not many people who have immigrated and been deported think they have had 'special' treatment.



I havnt diregarded anything, if you care to read my post i have acknowledged the links. Make something click in my head ? i would rather go on hard actual evidence rather than hear say. To my better knowledge i havnt been told to eat anything.

Everything the media outlets throw at you is what everyone (including myself) is told to eat up.

I had a lust for blood at the start of the war, which is pretty much what every American felt. The US goevernment knew this as well. Hence the reason 9/11 was allowed to happen, so that there would be more support for this misguided war against terrorism which just so happened to target Iraq instead of Bin Laden.

I don't "lust" for blood anymore. I simply want to know what really happened, and why and how it happened.



3,000 Americans die. My first concern wouldn't be looking out for the safety of the family of the man that caused such destruction.



I hear that the President has connections to the Bin Laden family, it begins to make me wonder. Wrong or right, I think it's something that should make everyone look into it a bit closer.

The fact that the media doesn't even mention it only makes it more suspicious in my opinion.

And as I said in my previous post....everything the media outlets throw at you is what everyone (including myself) is told to eat up.

More bull.

You've been had.

Harte

I take it you've looked into it, then. What did you find?

See, LF, this would be what I describing earlier. Of course *you* question things. *You* understand something else is going wrong. The rest of us just aren't quite as bright because we don't draw the same conclusions.

--Jaylemurph

Bull? What makes you say that?

The government most definately has had their hands involved in pedophilia. You are ignorant to the situation if you believe otherwise.

Honestly, I've only just begun to look into it as you will find here.

Okay, post the link (again) to the "Washington pedophile ring" (again) and I'll debunk it (again.)

Harte

Franklin Case (summary)
Franklin Case (Timeline of events)
Franklin Case (In-depth Report)

There is more from different sites that I will post later if you would like me to. I assume those three pages should be a good start however.

If you can debunk it, please do, because it really isn't something I want to believe. I really don't. I've looked into the Franklin Case a good bit, and everything about the case is wrong.

I guess I should add this also. Hopefully you will take the time to watch all of it.

Conspiracy of Silence

It's amazing that there are still people out there chanting puerile nonsense about government conspiracies behind the 9/11 attacks. It's also a slap in the face to the families who lost loved ones on that grim day.

I understand a certain distrust of government, which is healthy and perhaps even important in a democracy, but to carry it to such extremes is quite sad and neurotic.

In fact, the investigation and analysis conducted by Popular Mechanics--wholly independent of any governmental agency--absolutely disproved every single claim made by the conspiracy theorists. What do the conspiracy theorists do? They panic and revise their arguments, using the mistaken technique of trying to make the evidence fit their theories. No wonder they're not taken seriously.

I'm sorry but this one continues to gall me. To think that people are so jaded and misguided that they would actually blame their government for slaughtering thousands of innocent lives. We would have to believe that our government is filled with nothing but evil and twisted officials, which is of course ludicrous. And even more laughable, we would have to believe that our government managed to plan and carry out the atrocities of 9/11 without any of it leaking out beforehand. Please, this is our government we're talking about! If the Speaker of the House farts at noon, it's on CNN within ten minutes.

I see more ranting about Bin Laden and his family. Remember one thing. Osama Bin Laden was disowned by his family many years ago. He has had no contact with them for years. Osama Bin Laden was made persona non grata in Saudi Arabia years ago. I am not a big fan of the Saudi government, but that's at least one thing they got right. Might Osama's family have business connections with American concerns? Certainly. That means little to nothing. It has nothing to do with Osama Bin Laden.

And so those of us who dismiss the conspiracy theorists are labeled "sheep," willing to believe everything spewed at us. This is what the conspiracy theorists hurl at us because it's all they have left. All of their arguments, point by point, have been dismissed so they have no recourse but to ridicule.

You really seem to misinterpret me. I said nothing about how bright anyone is. I even said I know very little about 9/11. I told you, my point is that ALL of us know very little about what really caused and brought 9/11 about.

Now if you take that as me insulting you or anyone elses intelligence, or believe it makes me sound like I'm saying I am better than others, I don't know what to say. I really don't see the subtly implied insults that you seem to believe I am putting out there.

Here ya go:


Source: Wiki

Although your own link says basically the same thing.

Let me remind you of your claim:

And


Of course, there's no telling how many government employees are pedophiles. Just like there's no telling how many members of Unexplained-Mysteries are pedophiles.

Does that mean the Unexplained-Mysteries is "most definitely" involved in pedophilia? Of course not.

Note that it was a Grand Jury that found these allegations to be a hoax. Grand Juries have broad powers and are very difficult to tamper with.

Making a claim of jury tampering is sour grapes from people that wish (for some unfathomable reason) that the government could be involved in pedophilia, although that allegation never even appears in the Franklin case anyway, so why would you say it?

Harte

Are you kidding? That's your way of debunking it? Watch the video. You obviously did not do that. If you did, you would hear from the people involved in the case talking about anonymous phone calls they received in regards to the case and how they were told not to pursue it.

What you just posted above in absolutely no way whatsoever debunks the pedophilia claim I made and the governments involvement in it. I can't believe that you are even trying to pass off what you posted above as debunking anything.

Read about how the case was handled instead of just saying to yourself oh, looky here, "a county grand jury in Nebraska's Douglas County concluded that the charges were a "carefully crafted hoax". Why don't you look into how and why it was declared as such.

And oh, by the way, despite claiming it was hoax, they then said the kids were molested, but that they were lying about the people they identified as molesting them. That makes a lot of sense.

And ask yourself another thing - why would children even know the names of the people they accused to begin with? What exactly was their motavation for bringing about this hoax, as you wish to believe it is.

If you want to learn about something, you should investigate it yourself. Not simply post a sentence that makes you feel comfortable with the situation and then act as if the case is debunked. That's absurd.

I take it you believe O.J. Simpson didn't kill his wife and her friend either?

Anyways, you don't seem very interested in knowing the details of the case and are content in being ignorant about the situation.



It isn't "sour grapes", what it shows is how ignorant you are about what actually happened.

If you ever decide to watch the Conspiracy of Silence video, and/or take the time to read through the links I provided to you, then maybe you will actually be able to discuss what happened with some real knowledge in regards to the the Franklin Case and how it pertains to pedophilia and the governments involvement in it.

Certain people were killed to be kept quiet. One child was thrown in jail for refusing to change her claims about what was done to her. Others trying to prosecute the case had anonymous phone calls made to them saying they better not try and go forth with the case.

Then there is the fact that certain evidence was kept out of the case. Not to mention the fact they tried to make all the children withdraw their testimonies and scared the hell out of them if they refused to do so.

It is clear you haven't taken any time to look into what really happened.

Do you honestly think that with the current vibe of hatred for the G.W. Bush "regime" that the liberal media would back down on a story that claims "Government Pedophilia"? Honestly, the media would have made a call for impeachment a long long time ago based on that claim. However, there may be individuals of the government that are pedo's but that is not to say that the government as a whole is involved and is covering it up. To make such a claim shows a level of stupidity that completely off the charts. No Offense Intended...