Hello everyone, you dont know me but i do know you, ive been visiting this site for almost 3 years. Never register before, only check out what people are saying, but enough is enough and I had really to register.

Theory Bash, been proven fake, Hoax

Theres corruption everywhere and the Governements want to control people and the way we think. If we see a story, someone comes and says fake, fake why? Beacause its different from what we were told in school. In school they made us believe that there is a God, and all other stuff that if we read in books or in the Internet, we would say , but no, its true just because in Government Schools they told us that. Winners make History, not the losers, and so many facts and history are lost in between. What if there was actually a UFO that felt in Area 51? Why not?

Been proven a Hoax

By who? When, where, how, how the heck do I know that the story is actually true but they dont want us to know? Check 9/11, look at the Towers falling, it was a inside job, the way they fell, but they made us believe it was Al Qaeda. They made us believe what they want us to believe, so they can control us.

Is this another conspiration theory?

No, its just ive seen many saying it has been proven hoax, but the main problem is, peraphs its real a hoax, peraphs the story is real, but they censor it and made us believe its fake. Check Saddams Weapons of Massive Destruction, they made us believe that there were this kind of weapons in Iraque and months later said that "they made a mistake".

Please, open your mind, theres corruption everywhere, specially in the way the info is transmitted to us.

Stay alert, and get to know the details.

Welcome to the forum Scorpion777......it's a bit like the Truman Show here, sometimes, with the
number of 'sceptics' trying to keep us all in line.....

But there are gems to be found here and there and that makes it all worthwhile......

(edit to say.....as you already know if you've been coming here for 3 years!)

Enjoy yourself....!

Read "1984"
9/11 will scare you when it finally relates the true purpose of the War on Terror.

quick summary
big brother has bugged country
enemies of big brother dissapear never to be mentioned again [even by family]
propaganda everywhere
and finally fighting a war against a geurilla faction in another country.

Of course corruption is everywhere. All you have to do is take a really good look at the government.

If youre talking about my grammar, im not american neither english, so, im sorry if some statements were incomprehensible. Still i know that some of you understand my point, many proven hoax stories are, well proven fake just so Governments can keep us in the dark. Once more, check out 9/11.

I can not agree more.My instance is the UFO conspiracies,what happened to the info.If you are trying to find info about the con they just throw these (Not applicable to the Freedom Of Information Act) in email or Post Box.I can not find the reason in that.

Yep. Someone was hitting the crazy juice.

The concept of world peace through weekly keggers to look forward to is an interesting one though.

Crazy juice? You mean like Weapons of Massive Destruction in Iraq? Like many other lies?

Its called propaganda and yes Governments use it and for many years now, get used to it. They get voted in and they make the changes...also many politicians lie, you think people are stupid enough to believe that they tell the truth all the time, at least come up woth something original in your accusations instead of the constant crap circulating in the conspiracy section, where i think this would be more welcome.

As i said, its not a conpsiration theory, im just saying that sometimes users come and say proven fake or hoax because cientists or whatever, payed by Governements say it is fake.

By the way, I dont understand why the angry posts, im not flaming anyone, take it easy.

The problem as I see it is that too many people will "open their minds" and believe what there is no evidence for, and then refute what is commonly accepted and has a lot of evidence in its favor. Some people insist on seeing a winged unicorn instead of a common horse. Some people insist on seeing dragons behind every myth or fairies in every woodland photo. I think having some sceptisism is a good thing, while listening to and weighing the value new information.

Anyone can make up a story that can not be disproven. I can make up a story that Attila the Hun was the ancestor of Adolf Hitler, but that does not make it true. If someone then goes and does a geneolgy check and traces Hitler's ancestors to the time of Attila and finds they are not related, then do we discard that data because we are keeping an open mind?

Most, if not all, of the people who post "Known Fake" have a scientific reason. Usually they post a link and give their reasoning.

Its called criticism not anger, also Scientists and Academics usually are HIRED by, not PAID by the Government to undergo their own research. Perhaps you should do the same, you cant expect everyone to agree with you. Last i heard what you are saying about CONSPIRING Governments was a Conspiracy Theory

As i said, look at the reason why the US invaded Iraq, Weapons of Mass Destruction that never existed. They control everything and people believe what the Media says. If they are Hired, who pays them? The Government.

The US and other countries invaded for oil OMG OMG CONSPIRACY, mate this has been known how long now ? at least get up to date, 'Rob Newmans history of oil' watch it on google video, we know.

There's nothing about Guerrilla warfare in 1984; it's all nation-state versus nation-state.

And OP, if "everyone" believes what the media puts out, how'd you get so smart? Are you the sole person in the world who's developed critical thinking skills? Do you believe whatever it is you think is the only possible way a person can construe the world, and that every single person else has just got it wrong?

I can tolerate half-assed lunacy tinged with messianic tendencies in the Conspiracy Theory section where it belongs, but it's just tedious elsewhere.

--Jaylemurph

If "they" really controlled everything, you'd have no idea that lies were told in the first place. Right now you'd be under the impression that plenty of WMD's were found in Iraq.

Like the missil that hitted Pentagon and they said it was an Airplane? And after that they confiscated all the videotapes that prooved it wasnt an airplane? Or the chips that they started implanting on the americans.

Despite the loonies that claim every few years this is really happening, do you have any actual evidence American citizens are being chipped -- and as I frequently point out, Youtube or CTnutter.com are not legitimate sources. I mean, *I* am an American and I've never heard of it, but maybe you do know better.

--Jaylemurph

While it is true that some scientists are hired by the government in regard to particular purpose (such as the U.S. Geological Survey), a large portion of scientists work through universities and companies, and they receive grants with which to conduct research about a particular topic. Therefore, many scientists don't work for the governments, but for their private interests or the interests of a particular organization or company. When they publish their findings, they produce the information from their own research and field/lab work and not from what the government "tells" them to publish. If we really did not have free speech in the United States of America and the government censored the information provided to us, then we wouldn't hear constant critisisms of the government produced by the media and the people of the country. This would seem to be contrary to their agenda and not a sound plan for the filtering of information in the world around us. What I find absurd is how people think that scientists and the "government" are trying to feed us false information so that we are conditioned to obey their mandates, when they have no apparent motive for doing so. What people don't understand is how these "facts", theories, models, come to be accepted in the first place... which is of course through the scrutiny of the scientific process. So indeed the burden of proof lies on the one claiming conspiracy, since we have no good reason to believe that the government of the United States is feeding us false information. These ideas are produced from the minds of those who desire there to be complicity and conspiracy in the motives and actions of the government, and who refuse to look at the reasons these "facts", theories, and models were accepted in the first place. So until you have substancial evidence of the errors and the conspiracies committed by the "government-paid scientists", then you have no reason to be claiming that the information put forth in mainstream society is false.

- Regards, Bokonon

The government routinely filters information that is released to the public. They do so for various reasons, without getting political, lets say they do it for safety reasons. While their motives for releasing certain information, or releasing false information, may not seem apparent to me or you that does not mean they don't have a reason for doing so.

Like Jaylemurph, I wonder why this thread is in this particular forum.

Harte

I agree that government civil servants believe they have a bonafide reason for subterfuge. But I, for one, am an adult human being with a keen intellect and a lot of education. I just don't appreciate these "government experts" treating me like a child and with-holding information that I need to make informed decisions to direct them! After all, they work for me and the rest of the people in Democratic Republic - don't they? I mean, they work for us... How can we instruct them if they don't give us the goods?

Information should be available for all, I only live once, I have the right to know everything that surrounds me. As Imbeharry said, Im no child, and they have no right to decide what kind of info that suits me or not. This world unfortunately belongs to bankers and politicians, and if people continue to stand and live "theire" lives, or at least what you think that its "yours" they will continue to decide what we eat, how prices rise, and what kind of info we get. Specially after the suposedly Al Qaeda attacks on WTC which we know, or at least we should know, it was an inside job, with this they can invade our houses and privacy because we can be a "terrorist". Money and fear controls the world. Look how the Towers felt, titanium doesnt melt like that, WTC4 also felt down and he can see on footage it was a controlled demolition. The WTC4 contained documents with proofs of corruption and stuff like that, all destroyed.

You are absolutely correct.I mean this is crazy.I am telling you these political lowlifes are playing us like one gigantic board game.



Just one thing the WTC skeleton was not built out of titanium.

Rob Newman is funny,

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4779697496133297566

I read that it has never been proven that the pyramids were built for pharoes. Archaeologists just guessed that was what they were used for. Childer are being tought things in school that have not been proven yet.

Im sorry what ???

For that I agree then there is another thing or lets say a phrase that I have about schools.Got it from a Time magazine.



I just dont know the author.

Great Scott.Can somebody tell me what I did wrong in my quote.

I meant to say childern r being tought that pyramids were built for pharaoh's. But the truth is no one ever proved it.

That is like saying that the bones dug out of stone that have been studied for decades and are assumed to belong to Dinosaurs, have never been proven to be animal bones. Since no real dinosaurs exist then any theory is as good as any other.

That is a fallacy. All theories are not equal. Those that have the most evidence are generally accepted and those with little or no evidence are eventually rejected. The statement that the Pyramids in Egypt were built as monuments to the Pharaohs has the most evidence at this time and so is the most widely accepted.

Darwin's Theory of Evolution has never really been proven either, but it is generally accepted and taught everywhere.

Conspiracies do exist. However, Conspiracy theorists all-too-often hinge their 'theories' on coincidence filtered through wishful thinking.

For example, let's use Area 51...

Area 51 is a an area in which the USAF, and presumably other parts of the military and gov't, have researched, tested, and developed top-secret technologies and aerospace craft.

That in mind, conspiracy theorists link it to the 'Shadow Government' and 'Roswell' and the 'Alien Collaborators'.

Because of the tight security, and the fact the gov't denies it exists, the Fox Mulder wanna-bes figure THEY MUST BE UP TO NO GOOD! I mean, we dressed up in dark clothes and sneaked past their patrols one night, and like before we even got within a mile of the base, there's already a bunch of sirens and floodlights, and dogs and guys with M-16s everywhere. What the...? The Men in Black (MIB) just rolled up in black SUVs and told us to leave, or they'd arrest us. Jeez! It's a public facility, right? We were just looking around and stuff. We haven't even set up the video camera and satellite dish yet. You see? That's got conspiracy written all over it!

Are governments corrupt? Of course. That's why revolutions and coups pop up now and then. It's old news.

And also, there's a tendency for conspiracy theorists to 'cut and paste' whatever info theyacquire, and pass it off as real proof.

I tried researching the Cult of Moloch. All I got was the same olf crap that had reported, copied, copied,, and then pasted in new articles. It was a dead end. There is no viable proof out to be found on the net. Unless Scotland Yard is sitting on a secret file cabinet on the subject, there's not even a veirifable hint of any modern circle of Molochites. Just recycled gossip.

It seems like people have forgotten how to do research. They simply recycle gosisp and rumor compiled by someone else, and then try to pass it off to whomever is dumb enough to give them an audience,

Neo,

You should have put your quote between the markers "quote" and "/quote"

Both the above should be surrounded by flat brackets that look like: [ and ] instead of the quotation marks I used.

I didn't put them that way because if I had, what I wrote would have looked like:
.

Harte

Thanks Harte.

There are actually two points to this problem.One witch you answered. .
The other,it was supposed to be larger then the standard writing and colored in red.

Dude, Why do you think propaganda is ok? you say it like its no big deal. YES we all know it happens, but we should be being proactive about waking up so it doesnt effect us or the people we know. and stop bashing people for having "similar views that are in the "conspiracy section". You realize people talk about these things because it pisses them off truly, not because they want popularity on UM.com.

This is true. No where in the pyramids does it mention a pharoe, Except for one place where they let tourists go go and where there was much vandalism, it says Kufu but in no context what so ever. It was most likely grafiti

Erm your point being ? i never made the point is was no big deal, i was just highlighting the fact it DOES HAPPEN, dont be such a hypocrite.

Neo,

Here's you're quote:


the text should have been put between "color="#0000ff" marker and the "/color" marker. All of which should have been put between the two size markers, similar to how you put it between the "quote" markers.

IOW put "quote" "color" "size" then your text, and then "/size" "/color" "/quote"

Only with brackets instead of apostrophes.

Harte

Thanks again Harte.

Your help is priceless.

Bull.

You're talking about the Great Pyramid. Fact is, there are remains of temples in the front of several pyramids that do state that the pyramids are tombs. This includes the Great Pyramid, BTW.

The fact that no mummy was ever found in the G.P. doesn't preclude the idea that Khufu was interred there. Many tombs in Egypt were robbed within a hundred years of their being built and put in use.

It's true that no formal text is found in the G.P. None is found in any building dating from that era, or in any earlier tomb. At least, not written on the walls.

The so-called "grafitti" in the relieving chamber above the King's chamber in the G.P. contains quarry marks/instructions on which team is to take which stone. The use of the term Khufu in some of this writing is completely indisputable and it was certainly there at the time the G.P. was built. It wasn't found until modern times, and then only through the use of dynamite. The chamber, which was never meant to be used, is only for distributing the huge load above it so that it doesn't lie mainly along the ceiling of the King's chamber in the next level down. The relieving chamber ("relieves" the weight above) is shaped sort of like an "A" frame. It takes the load from above and distributes it to the walls (and beyond) of the King's chamber below.

The writing is painted on in red ochre, and continues around several of the blocks into the spaces between the blocks, where it could never have been written had it been put there after the blocks were put in place. IOW, this stuff was painted on the blocks before they were put where they are.

Even Graham Hancock had to (eventually) admit this simple and easily visible fact. It made him (and Robt. Bauval) back down from his silly idea that the G.P. was constructed 12,000 years ago - which was (originally) the premise of the "Orion mystery" concerning the supposed (but specious) "alignment" of three of the Giza pyramids with the stars in Orion's belt.

Now these two merely claim that the pyramid complex and the alignment was planned 12,000 years ago but not constructed until around Khufu's time.

Riiiight.

Harte

Well if you are interested I disagree, most humans are not very capable at all.
Just look how dumb the average person is and remember that half of humanity is even stupider.

You're welcome Neo.

Glad somebody will listen to me, anyway!

Harte

Pardon.....? Did someone just say something............

Read very carefully MATTSHARK.You clearly do not read very well because what I said to Harte has nothing to do with this topic.I was simply thanking him for the friendly help he gave me on a simple error I made earlier its the respectful thing to do.

BTW RUDENESS gets you nowhere fast.Remember that !.

Not that I disagree at all with Matt said, but I think George Carlin said the exact same thing years ago. Credit where it's due and all.

--Jaylemurph

Yep I had heard it somewhere I just couldn't remember where.

Sorry, what was rude about?
I just saw that quote and decided to point out that I disagreed with it and that I felt that most humans were not very capable.

I read what you are trying to say.
BTW.Tell me what is the discussion for the quote that you felt that most people are not very capable.

I think that given the right upbringing....love, encouragement, education, opportunity....we humans CAN
be VERY capable...and highly intelligent....