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I've always been under the impression that meditation and self-hypnosis were different methods for doing the same thing - reprogramming the body's autonomic system.

Well, it's a tangle.

The term "hypnosis" entered the literature long before physiological knowledge could describe the full range of what is normal for human beings. With the progress of knowledge, there remains very little evidence for any distinctive "hypnotic state" besides the ordinary and predictable results of being in a persistent, relaxed, and alert state, such as meditation.

The idea that the autonomic system was beyond conscious control similarly entered the literature before physiological knowledge was much advanced. The hitch appears to be the relative lack of "feedback" (reafferent sensation and plainly visible gross effects) that affects learning, rather than some innate incapacity of the functions to be controlled.

You would have never learned to walk, either, if you had no proprioceptive and vestibular sensation to tell you what the effect of moving your legs one way rather than another was, to say nothing of the "ouch!" when you fell over after moving your leg the worng way. But you had these things, and so you learned to "do this and not that."

Many people have had the experience of being temporarily unable to talk or even chew normally under the effects of local anaesthesia used by dentists. The muscles are still working, and the effectors still work, but without sensory feedback, you are much diminished in your abilities.

To the extent you are discussing temperature, note that there are two issues: core (gut) temperature and peripheral (skin or surface) temperature. Manipulating core temperature is dangerous, and the feedback is likely to involve artificial instrumentation.

Peripheral temperature, however, is fairly straightforward. You can do it by getting a handle on the bloodflow to the area in question. And your skin's usual temperature sensors will reliably give you a warm or cool sensation to guide your efforts.

A blood-restricted limb will approach ambient temperature, a highly perfused limb will approach core temperature. No magic there, in either direction.

To the extent that either hypnosis or meditation have anything to do with this, a relaxed and alert frame of mind, perhaps even some optimism that there is some point to what you are trying to do, is conducive to learning. I would also predict that a quiet mental state would be helpful in picking up on the relevant feedback, undistracted by unrelated sensations.

If you are trying to hear whipers, then it might help if you kept still. If you are searching for fireflies, then turn off your flashlight.

There is also a third issue, temperature tolerance. Quite a bit of your bodily sensation cues off of changes. If you step into a cold shower, then you will recoil. If you stay under it anyway, then within minutes, it will feel more-or-less "normal." It isn't normal, you just don't feel the contrast with normal much anymore.

Plenty of people celebrate New Year's in the Northern Hemisphere by wading into ocean water cold enough to kill them if they lingered there for more than a few minutes. These are not Tibetan monks harvesting the benefits of a lifetime of meditation and clean living.

As your anecdote about the guy getting frostbite while being indifferent to a cold environment illustrates, personal tolerance of cold need not be accompanied by any actual temperature management.

I hope that somewhere in all of that is a little useful information.
Sporkling
QUOTE (DogsHead @ May 6 2008, 02:28 PM) *
I would say that if you can do it, go get yer one million dollars!

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...t=0&start=0
I hope nobody will still fall into the trap.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE (Sporkling @ May 6 2008, 08:30 AM) *
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...t=0&start=0
I hope nobody will still fall into the trap.

I got a trap for you. Don't step in it because you might loose a foot. tongue.gif
Sporkling
I do not fall into traps over the internet thank you.
Akadra
I think telekinesis is possible trough pure training and meditating, Pyrokinesis is possible because heating up parts of your body is done by some chinese people who trained it for years, but Cryokinesis is in my eyes, impossible.
Moro
QUOTE (Akadra @ May 7 2008, 08:38 PM) *
I think telekinesis is possible trough pure training and meditating, Pyrokinesis is possible because heating up parts of your body is done by some chinese people who trained it for years, but Cryokinesis is in my eyes, impossible.

The way I see it is, if you believe in one you have to believe in all the others. The source word, "Psychokinesis" is mind over matter.
psimaster
If pyrokinesis is possible then cryokinesis is also possible.

Pyrokinesis is just the act of increasing temperature while cryokinesis is the act of increasing temperature.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE (psimaster @ May 7 2008, 08:43 PM) *
If pyrokinesis is possible then cryokinesis is also possible.

Pyrokinesis is just the act of increasing temperature while cryokinesis is the act of increasing temperature.

Neither are possible so there you go.
Sporkling
Actually, cyrokinesis and pyrokinesis are different because you need to condition yourself for cyrokinesis and yet, you don't have to condition yourself for pyrokinesis. Not as far as I know anyway. Besides, I don't think anyone will try to set themselves on fire happy.gif
ufo guy
i think they all exsist take me for instance, i can do electrokinesis original.gif
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE (zanpukto @ May 9 2008, 11:00 PM) *
i think they all exsist take me for instance, i can do electrokinesis original.gif


Yeah. Its called static cling. rolleyes.gif

I can do cheesekinesis.
Sporkling
QUOTE (zanpukto @ May 10 2008, 12:00 PM) *
i think they all exsist take me for instance, i can do electrokinesis original.gif

Oh thats good. How do you practise it?
Stellar
Yes, take you for instance, I dont believe you can do electrokinesis any more than he can do cryokinesis.
whimsicalreverie
QUOTE (Eric Raven The Skeptic @ May 10 2008, 08:33 AM) *
Yeah. Its called static cling. rolleyes.gif

I can do cheesekinesis.


lol tongue.gif Why did that make me laugh? XP I don't generally encourage overabundantly skeptical responses ;P, but that was funny to me. XP

Anyways, I have read about certain instances where people claimed to have been able to drop temperature, but again there's the, "If I don't see it, I don't believe it" scenario. That's not to discredit the people that are able to do it, it's just that to a lot of people, reading about it and actually experiencing it or seeing/feeling it are completely different things. But some people are content with believing what is said, or written. I'm still in controversy whether I want to believe everything I've read in "legit, supposedly scientific books, or research", or remain cautious and suspicious. Although I will say that I won't dismiss something, just because it hasn't been proven. I'm willing to believe that a lot of these unexplained occurances are possible.


Anyways, good luck psimaster. original.gif
psimaster
QUOTE (zanpukto @ May 10 2008, 04:00 AM) *
i think they all exsist take me for instance, i can do electrokinesis original.gif


Actually I've been practicing electrokinesis a bit before I practiced cryokinesis but decided to start over with something basic happy.gif

Do you also feel a shock when channel it through your hands and activate it?
Sporkling
Psi isn't electrokinesis more basic then cyrokinesis?
Moro
All of it is "psychokinesis", the manipulation of matter.
Rojiva
Well, I for one hopes that psimaster master he's feats.

Cus I want to live the day where a human being proves that everything bout science is bull when they say that something is impossible due to the fact that it never have happened before.

Train harder mate.! /Rojiva
psimaster
QUOTE (Sporkling @ May 12 2008, 11:16 AM) *
Psi isn't electrokinesis more basic then cyrokinesis?


Well actually I thought it was cake too at first. Because it's easy to direct our energy to generating electricity but when it comes to developing it and pushing it further it isn't as simple. That's because when we're just using electrokinesis the simple way it would stay at the simple level of power and you won't have enough control over it. To make it better you also have to concentrate on the flow, the charge and a bit more for the electrokinesis to work completely well. It's a bit hard to explain but you might know if you practice it. But I think electrokinesis sort of involves more of our mental components when in cryokinesis once we know how to direct it and decrease temperature that's all we need to work on.
psimaster
QUOTE (Rojiva @ May 13 2008, 08:14 PM) *
Well, I for one hopes that psimaster master he's feats.

Cus I want to live the day where a human being proves that everything bout science is bull when they say that something is impossible due to the fact that it never have happened before.

Train harder mate.! /Rojiva


Thanks. And I swear I'm gettinga lot closer to it.

I finally worked out where I was stuck on and I'm currently practicing on opening up my psychic channels. Then I can stimulate my energy at any time of the day which would be great help to my training. I think once I'm done with this part I have just went half the distance.

Thanks anyway I'll try my best.
The Wise Raven
Hmm....video maybe.....I really don't know unless I see a video which is 100percent conrete proof which is no way faked.


Which we can never be sure of on youtube.


Hey this reminds me of this NOT FAKED video i saw once and it was a science phenomonon...I think its cryokinesis....or something like that:

http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=29449 ---SUPERCOOLING WATER
Drayno
Give me plausible proof. A Scientist or two, and a government official to witness it, and give thumbs up. Then, sure...i'd believe you. original.gif
Sporkling
Sorry drayno, I politely disagree. I do not believe that any scientist will provide a fair test.
Exeter
Why in the world would anyone want to make their hand cold in the first place? Is it to make someone jump higher when you goose them? unsure.gif
Thisisnotmyname
QUOTE (Energia @ May 27 2008, 08:23 PM) *
Hmm....video maybe.....I really don't know unless I see a video which is 100percent conrete proof which is no way faked.


Which we can never be sure of on youtube.


Hey this reminds me of this NOT FAKED video i saw once and it was a science phenomonon...I think its cryokinesis....or something like that:

http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=29449 ---SUPERCOOLING WATER


Wowwww that's a bizarre video. I don't have any experience with cryokinesis so I'm not going to say anything about it other than that. But that video is freaking bizarre.
Drayno
QUOTE (Sporkling @ May 28 2008, 02:00 AM) *
Sorry drayno, I politely disagree. I do not believe that any scientist will provide a fair test.

Fair? If a person has psychic abilities...surely they would have an advantage. With that advantage...any test should be a breeze.
chrisfreak
haha, I thought cryokinesis is an ability to cry
Sporkling
QUOTE (Drayno @ May 29 2008, 05:22 AM) *
Fair? If a person has psychic abilities...surely they would have an advantage. With that advantage...any test should be a breeze.

But that is what you think
MNPRED
QUOTE (Nucular @ May 4 2008, 11:11 AM) *
Eh? 'Coldness' is simply 'less heat', nothing more. There's nothing to control - it's like saying "I can control silence".

At any rate, it sounds to me rather like you're jumping the gun if you're posting to say that you'll 'soon' be able to 'do cryokinesis'... you're making grand claims which aren't yet fulfilled aren't you?

Why not tell us what you have done, and maybe we can help figure out what's going on. Unless there's a very marked effect and good scientific controls in place, it would be very difficult to verify such a claim even in a lab with experts and equipment, let alone on a wobbly YouTube video.

that is true, in saying this you are admiting that it is possoble but that it is realy another form of pyrokinesis the absince of heat can be considered comtroling heat witch is bacicly heat + light so in a way it is not really cryokinesis
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE (Drayno @ May 28 2008, 04:22 PM) *
Fair? If a person has psychic abilities...surely they would have an advantage. With that advantage...any test should be a breeze.

Exactly and any scientist would love to prove they exist, because they would go down in history.
Sporkling
I would wish scientists do not test that they exist. Giving the scientists credit for what they scoffed at for so long? Allowing psychics to be a part of science, I do not wish it to be this way.
Tiggs
QUOTE (Energia @ May 27 2008, 05:23 PM) *
Hmm....video maybe.....I really don't know unless I see a video which is 100percent conrete proof which is no way faked.


Which we can never be sure of on youtube.


Hey this reminds me of this NOT FAKED video i saw once and it was a science phenomonon...I think its cryokinesis....or something like that:

http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=29449 ---SUPERCOOLING WATER

I think you'll find this video explains exactly what it is.
ZombieSkeptic
This topic has the tell tale signs of BS.

1. The person signed up for the purpose of posting this topic, hence seeking attention.
2. So since we've established your seeking attention, why not show scientists? Why make a video since videos can be so easily doctored?
3. You see now you've already fallen victim to the trap that all "psychics" on this forum try to avoid by saying "I have no desire to seek attention" or "why would I want to boost my ego". You WANT attention though so now you can't use this as an excuse. So go prove this to scientists.....hell get a spot on the news. Until then you're screaming BS in my opinion.


And as someone said controlling the human body temperature a few degrees has been scientifically proven. That is not cryokinesis or at least not how it is considered on this forum. Make a video of you turning air into an ice ball....and MAYBE.....maybe.....I'll start to believe you.
Nucular
QUOTE (MNPRED @ May 30 2008, 08:11 PM) *
that is true, in saying this you are admiting that it is possoble but that it is realy another form of pyrokinesis the absince of heat can be considered comtroling heat witch is bacicly heat + light so in a way it is not really cryokinesis

Hi MNPRED; just to be clear, I'm entertaining the possibility; what I admit or don't admit is irrelevant, it's about what evidence there is for any of these claims.

My personal opinion is that neither cryo- nor pyrokinesis has more than the tiniest remote chance of actually being possible, since it goes aainst what is known about the way the universe works, the way we work, and there is at present not even the tiniest sliver of evidence which could support the idea.

I do however agree that if there is such as thing as either, then it's pretty much the same ability as the other, only in the other direction.
Slave2Fate
QUOTE (chrisfreak @ May 28 2008, 02:17 PM) *
haha, I thought cryokinesis is an ability to cry


No, its the ability to cry USING ONLY YOUR MIND!! grin2.gif
MUM24/7
What if I say I can fly ?? rolleyes.gif
Versarnwen
I am curious as to what would be the content of said video. It's not exactly something easy to document without physical manifestation of some kind. Most 'abilities' are formed on feeling rather than manifesting.

P.s. sorry if this is mentioned somewhere along the thread, to be honest I only read the first page.
Drayno
QUOTE (Sporkling @ May 29 2008, 10:23 AM) *
But that is what you think

It is not what I think. With all these people claiming to have fantastic abilities..it is only logical that they would have more of an advantage over a normal person? If a person has Psychic abilities, that makes then more advanced...and to have advanced sensory would be an advantage. Therefore, if a person has them, they would be able to do it easily more so than a normal person and get better results, as in 100% with no possible way of cheating. wink2.gif
ZombieSkeptic
Notice how the alleged "psi master" has not returned to this topic? wink2.gif
Sporkling
After so many put downs, i'm not suprised.
Sporkling
QUOTE (Drayno @ Jun 4 2008, 04:33 AM) *
It is not what I think. With all these people claiming to have fantastic abilities..it is only logical that they would have more of an advantage over a normal person? If a person has Psychic abilities, that makes then more advanced...and to have advanced sensory would be an advantage. Therefore, if a person has them, they would be able to do it easily more so than a normal person and get better results, as in 100% with no possible way of cheating. wink2.gif
There is a question I would like to ask
What is logic?

And to reply to your post, yes. People with psychic abilities do have an advantage, but no, they are not god. They do not know everything.

No possible way of cheating? Well then, what is cheating? With the technological advances we have made, how do you know for sure what is real and what is not? What does it mean no cheating? What is the standard of cheating? In other words, what do you mean cheating? And how do you know if they are cheating?

And for that matter, how do I know if I am given a fair test or only being debunked? Are you willing to set a standard for a real test? And if so, how can I be sure that you will not raise the bar?

Sporkling
QUOTE (TheGentleGiant @ Jun 1 2008, 02:12 AM) *
This topic has the tell tale signs of BS.

1. The person signed up for the purpose of posting this topic, hence seeking attention.
2. So since we've established your seeking attention, why not show scientists? Why make a video since videos can be so easily doctored?
3. You see now you've already fallen victim to the trap that all "psychics" on this forum try to avoid by saying "I have no desire to seek attention" or "why would I want to boost my ego". You WANT attention though so now you can't use this as an excuse. So go prove this to scientists.....hell get a spot on the news. Until then you're screaming BS in my opinion.


And as someone said controlling the human body temperature a few degrees has been scientifically proven. That is not cryokinesis or at least not how it is considered on this forum. Make a video of you turning air into an ice ball....and MAYBE.....maybe.....I'll start to believe you.

To reply,
1. Do you know him personally? How do you know he is trying to get attention? If only by this post, you are not a logical person. You in other words, twist the fact using some excuse to lower another person's credibility.

2. And what makes you think that scientists are not limited by their own beliefs as with so many other people on earth? I would like to say that scientists have their own beliefs. So many ways of cheating that I do not exclude that it may be used as an excuse to debunk.

3. Telling people on the internet and telling people in real life are two different matters. In the internet, you know you can get away from this by unplugging the computer. In real life, you are stuck with it. Do you know that there are some psychics who get a spot on the news? And yet you don't believe them. Why?

I would like to add that, I don't care what you believe.
Moonie2012
QUOTE (Sporkling @ Jun 5 2008, 05:13 AM) *
I would like to add that, I don't care what you believe.


Considering that he wasn't really addressing you in the first place, I'm sure the feeling is mutual.
Sporkling
QUOTE (Moonie2012 @ Jun 5 2008, 10:37 PM) *
Considering that he wasn't really addressing you in the first place, I'm sure the feeling is mutual.

Considering that this is the best response you have even with the scores of words above, I don't really think that you can call what I say incomprehensible. Or maybe, I would like to ask. Is english your first language?
Moonie2012
QUOTE (Sporkling @ Jun 5 2008, 10:29 AM) *
Considering that this is the best response you have even with the scores of words above, I don't really think that you can call what I say incomprehensible. Or maybe, I would like to ask. Is english your first language?


LOL - I would ask you the same, but the answer is pretty obvious - especially considering I mentioned nothing about you being incomprehensible in my response.

Sorry if I didn't respond to your "scores of words above", but I'm trying to cut down on quoting nonsensical drivel.
Sporkling
Or maybe you were unable to. Therefore using such tricks to put yourself back on track?
Moonie2012
Yep, you got me! You completely foiled my (apparently not so) clever ruse of misdirection.
MNPRED
hi, i was only stating that they are the same but for the record, i beleve that they exist a littile bit. also i just had a thought wouldent it make sence if it did exist if there was nothing in the bigining then sundinly an explosion coused by nothing made every thing?
TKT043
QUOTE (Nucular @ May 4 2008, 12:46 PM) *
Ah, if I may be so bold, I found the other post you made in the telekinesis thread, where you talk a little more about cryokinesis:


Although you don't say exactly what it is you can do, you amplify in this post that misconception about the nature of temperature:


You speak repeatedly of 'cold' as a type of energy, rather than an absence or decrease of energy. Almost any general school science textbook (or the Wiki page on temperature) will explain what 'coldness' is, if you're interested.

I suppose I'm wondering, from your two posts - what sorts of 'cryokinetic' effects do you believe you've been able to produce? I have the suspicion that so far it's a subjective thing, perhaps 'manipulating coldness' within your body, say. Is there any externally visible effect yet?

I would say that although some have suggested you must be able to perform remarkable feats such as turning a glass of water into ice, this isn't necessarily the level of performance needed to demonstrate an effect. For instance, could you take a room temperature glass thermometer, clasp your hands around its base, and make the mercury fall? To properly investigate it would take more than that, obviously, but it would be interesting to know if you think such things are possible.


You know, not everything is proven right 100% sure. Science have facts but we only know a bit about our universe. The Laws of Physics will change if something contradicting it has been discovered. All of these things are beliefs. The creations of human imagination. We create these veiws to answer the unexplained. And these visions act as an influence to find the true answer. So what I am saying is that lets see weather or not he will create a video based upon it to give as an evidence, instead of us making up some guesses that he will not.
Elite
QUOTE (psimaster @ May 4 2008, 03:33 AM) *
I'm currently practicing Cryokinesis which is the ability to control coldness and once I finished I'm going to post a video for proof it's real. I'm getting better at it but I just want to ask. If I say that very soon I will be able to do cryokinesis will you believe me?

nope , i wont believe you
unless of course you post a fairly convincing video
fairly convincing meaning i dont suspect any computer generated imaging or editing
and that it shows you actually doing something that is OBVIOUSLY you doing cryokenises , doing cryokenises on say a glass of water which you freeze and then show how the glass is visibly frozen within only say 30 secs
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