I'm currently practicing Cryokinesis which is the ability to control coldness and once I finished I'm going to post a video for proof it's real. I'm getting better at it but I just want to ask. If I say that very soon I will be able to do cryokinesis will you believe me?

Sure sweetie, why not.....I'll believe anything......once.....

BTW Welcome to UM....

Probably not. Why believe you and not the rest of those who come here saying the same thing...

video, maybe.

I don't believe BS

Dude - like the X-Men. There's one student at Xavier's academy that does this cryokinesis stuff. But watch out for the government. They'll want to take you in and test your abilities. They might construe you as a danger to yourself and to others! Be careful.

Welcome to UM. What kind of evidence will you provide to verify that the video is not doctored?

Can you fabricate snowballs out of thin air on a hot summer day yet? I've always wanted to see that.

Can You use this power for Good and bnifit Man, or just parlor tricks?

Love Omnaka

Yes i believe you. But if I may ask, why do you ask?

I'd say you're only seeking attention and have zero ability to perform cryokinesis, as the human mind does not have such a capability. I'd also say that there is no video coming, as if you were actually going to post one you would wait until you had it finished to tell us about it.

I disagree. I believe he is not seeking attention. I do not give him much more attention than any of the posters of the other boards on the other topics. Its you skeptic types who like to say he is trying to get attention because you give his posts so much attention.

What else is the purpose? He signed up to this site simply to tell everyone that he could do something that is definitely impossible, and stated that he will create a video of him doing such. That video will never come, he does not have that ability, and thus the only conclusion left is that he is simply seeking attention.

Eh? 'Coldness' is simply 'less heat', nothing more. There's nothing to control - it's like saying "I can control silence".

At any rate, it sounds to me rather like you're jumping the gun if you're posting to say that you'll 'soon' be able to 'do cryokinesis'... you're making grand claims which aren't yet fulfilled aren't you?

Why not tell us what you have done, and maybe we can help figure out what's going on. Unless there's a very marked effect and good scientific controls in place, it would be very difficult to verify such a claim even in a lab with experts and equipment, let alone on a wobbly YouTube video.

Turn a glass of water into a glass of ice with your cryokinesis.

Ah, if I may be so bold, I found the other post you made in the telekinesis thread, where you talk a little more about cryokinesis:


Although you don't say exactly what it is you can do, you amplify in this post that misconception about the nature of temperature:


You speak repeatedly of 'cold' as a type of energy, rather than an absence or decrease of energy. Almost any general school science textbook (or the Wiki page on temperature) will explain what 'coldness' is, if you're interested.

I suppose I'm wondering, from your two posts - what sorts of 'cryokinetic' effects do you believe you've been able to produce? I have the suspicion that so far it's a subjective thing, perhaps 'manipulating coldness' within your body, say. Is there any externally visible effect yet?

I would say that although some have suggested you must be able to perform remarkable feats such as turning a glass of water into ice, this isn't necessarily the level of performance needed to demonstrate an effect. For instance, could you take a room temperature glass thermometer, clasp your hands around its base, and make the mercury fall? To properly investigate it would take more than that, obviously, but it would be interesting to know if you think such things are possible.

He signed up here just to tell people of this ability. Are you sure? And yet, how can you be sure. He has told you, you saw him? How do you know something so personal? The purpose, the same as others. To inform, to seek opinions, many others. I don't see you telling the people at the joke place, the bizzare news area, that they are seeking attention. Their intention is all the same. To inform, to seek opinions. Just because people say something you don't believe in, does not mean they are seeking attention. I say science is not real. You say science is real. Are you seeking attention?

Unless you can fully prove yourself, why would anyone think your anything more than a teenager making up stories?

He signs up under the name "psimaster", and makes his first post.. the "I will perform cryokinesis" one. This shows the fact that he signed up for the purpose of telling people about his cryokinesis, because he didn't make his first topic introducing himself, or joining some random discussion or something like that. These kinds of people come here all the time, and they almost always vanish very quickly after arriving. They certainly NEVER do anything to prove their acclaimed powers.

Why should I even have to explain this? I'd think anybody who's been here for any amount of time would have already seen this happen many times over. The people come here thinking they're special, people ask for proof, they never come back.

Of course, some of those people stick around and regularly claim they have powers that they do not and have never had. There's always an excuse to explain why there's no video demonstration, even in the day where you can buy a webcam for $10.

(Sigh) Never knew forums here would go by so quickly. So I'm having a hard time keeping up because I don't stay on the comp as long. Which just means I have to answer more questions.

-First of all whenever I say control, feel and get to know coldness someone thought I was referring to it as an energy. I know coldness is not an energy. I was referring to the concept of dropping temperature. A change in the environment. News Flash you can feel, control and take in things that are not energy. A rock for instance or certain food.

-Next I would like to say that I never said I could do it yet. I never actually said "WHOA I CAN DO CRYOKINESIS CHECK OUT MY VIDEO"(except just now which has a good reason ^-^). I merely asked a question. I just wanted to ask if anyone would believe me. I have been practicing cryokinesis for a while and I'm actually still training with it. It so far works a little but I still have trouble keeping my energy at a higher level. So I started this thread asking people the question to see if it could motivate me. So that I could do better.

- I also want to say that one reason I'm going to post a video once I'm done is to show you skeptics the truth. I practiced harnessing my energy for a while now and I believe that if it was stronger it will be capable of doing a lot more. Though posting the videos aren't my main reason for learning these abilities. I just want to be able to do these things.

BTW My training is getting better now. I'm getting better now and I can lower the temperature enough to make a cold breeze around my hand. But it would still take a small while for me to freeze water. Because as I said I still have trouble with holding my energy at a higher level.

But I'll try my very absolute best. And thanks for the motivation.

You can make cold air form around your hand? Make a video of you affecting a thermometer. That should be simple enough for you to do right now.

Well well well. Because he only saw this place. I did not see the introduce yourself place when I first came into here. Yes but he did not vanish. And why should they prove it to you, when the most likely response will be boo? All your posts have been putting people down. I don't see why I would trust you to be fair and subjective.

Hello. He does not need to do as you say. Oh you tell him to make a video and he makes a video. Who do you think he is. Who do you think you are. And don't say extraodinary claims wants proof. Because making the video is his choice. If he wants to show proof, he will. At his own time, at his own pace. If he does not, I don't see what right you have in asking for a vid.

I can ask for a vid if I please, thanks. It's not my problem if you choose to believe every BS claim you read, I require proof before I'll believe stuff like this. Asking for proof is what a normal person does - believing something like this unquestioningly is what an unbalanced person does.

Please take your unnecessary comments and go away, you aren't helping anybody. I'll continue to ask for proof just as long as I like - I don't see what right you have telling me to stop asking.

And I'll reiterate the question - if you can already alter temperature, why not test it out on a thermometer? Video or no, you will know if what you say is true, and not a trick of mind/circulation (which I believe it is). The only way to truly know if you can do something like this is to test it with scientific methods, not "feelings".

You require proof, maybe not. Probably you want other people to show you. People have proven things for themselves. Why not try for yourself. Maybe you will feel the results for yourself, try it. If it does not work for you, we will talk again. And if you do want to try, may I ask what type you are interested in?

Seriously, WTF are you talking about? All I want is for him to show that he can actually do what he claims, that's all. I don't claim such "powers" - probably because they don't exist, as nobody has proven them yet.

You really need to quit jumping on every person that asks questions - nobody needs you to defend them.

Guys, can we drop the bickering and keep this civil please.

Asking the OP to provide a video demonstrating what he can do is a sound request, there's no need to argue over it.

No no. Please do not misunderstand me. I am merely asking you if you have an interest in a specific type of psychic ability that I can take you through, so that if you do succeed, you will understand, if you don't, you'll still have tried it. Like Eric. He has tried it. I ask that you may try it too. Psiballs are not that hard. Maybe you'll like to have a go. And try something to understand it. Then you may understand us maybe. If not, you can say you have tried and nothing happens. Well, either way there seems to have a bit of compromise.

And for the second part, I know nobody needs me to defend them as they are capable of defending themselves. However, I am not defending them. I am merely posting, asking questions, getting opinions.

This has nothing to with me, I'm not interested in becoming your "pupil", getting your spiritual guidance, or anything like that. This thread is not about me or you.

Let's get the thread back on track as requested and await the evidence of the OP.

Speaking of cyrokinesis, Psi, did you condition yourself? By that, I mean the holding the ice in your hand and the bathing in cold water conditioning part. I am very curious to know if you really need to condition yourself before attempting cyrokinesis.
Thanks

Perhaps bathing in ice water could give me this ability.Hmm.

LOL!

how can anyone take some of this seriously!!
It's hysterical.

I know. It's also kind of sad . One random person is tricking himself into believing his hand is cooler than it is and we're all up in arms. I just wish people would realize that if you expect a sensation to happen you will take the slightest change in feeling as an interpretation of that happening.

It is kinda sad - it makes me miss my childhood when I also believed anything was possible and my imagination ran wild.

Yea, it does sort of make me go back in time to when I loved "Peter Pan," gosh, miss those days.

Right I'm back with a few more things to say.

yes I did condition myself btw. it's just part of my training. Plus taking cold showers save up a lot of hot water for others ^-^.

Also I would like to say that I did use the thermometer and it lowers the temperature down 5 degrees at most so far. But of course I can't post you a video on that. Skeptics will have a lot of come backs in that.

Though you should also know that if you practice chi you will also know the difference between placebo effects and real feelings. At first some times I get the feeling my minds playing tricks on me. But when it's real I know it's real. Then soon whenever I practice I have to always make sure it's real when I'm feeling it.

I know I was a bit tired last night and I wasn't able to think completely straight when I posted last night. But let me just rephrase a small bit I just typed up. I don't really care about you skeptics but it's the believers I'd like to help out here. If this is what you skeptics believe in then it's you choice. I can understand when people want to be able to do these things but I also know that some people may be unsure because they didn't have much proof. Which leads it into them not being able to do it because they think they can't. And it was bad enough without you skeptics putting them down.

But I have complete faith in these powers and I'm not afraid to learn it just because no one else has done it. So what I'm going to do is a bit like giving hope to the believers. Also so that you skeptics won't put them down as much. I figured that would be good thing to do since I just started going on these forums. Sorry for having no introduction though.

Welcome aboard.


Your remark raises a good point about what is distinctive about this forum, how it presents itself to the world, and why it isn't called "Psipog, too."

This is not primarily a place for learning or teaching preternatural powers. At its best, it is a place where people come to report and to discuss their own or others' accounts that something happened which is difficult or challenging to explain. You know, unexplained mysteries.

While some k-skeptics could arguably go about their work more politely, nevertheless, posts that fail to report anything mysterious, or report only things already explained all over the web, frustrate many people's purpose in coming here.


Why not? That is the event you came to report which, in your mind, requires explanation.

If a video is impractical for you, no problem. Langauge is adequate to convey what you did in sufficient detail for others to do the experiment themselves (or perhaps they recognize what you are describing is something that has already been done, and the results can be found on the web or elsewhere).

Language also suffices to establish that your demonstration includes controls (occasions when you did all the same things in the same conditions, except for wishing your temperature to decrease, and it didn't). You have done controlled trials, right?

If all you say is that your skin (?) temperature drops five degrees (Fahrenheit? Celsius?), but tell nothing about the circumstances, then how can anybody figure out whether there is anything mysterious about that or not?

Generally speaking, people are very interested in factual narratives of well-conducted investigations, and much less interested in people's personal conclusions about the meaning of something that they neither depict nor much describe.

I think you will find that if you actually report something, then even the most strident k will consider what you have to say. On the other hand, if all you say is that you are a "psi master" who performs "cryokinesis," well, k's can be read that in comic books. They came here to UM looking for something else.

Then keep expecting the same response. Hope to believers. True hope to beleivers and skeptics would be you proving yourself with something more than words. I won't hold my breath.


Great post.

Thermoregulation of the Human Body is a well established phenomenon. Cryokinesis is something completely different.

I was going to mention this too, but since we're talking about "coldness" here, (And he was claiming "the air around the body"), that doesn't really apply. Thermoregulation is really more the creation of heat, which is an ability the body has. It's impossible for your body to make itself all that much colder.

Actually I put the therometer in the water and put hand above it sending cryokinesis into it.

btw how can you prove that cryokinesis is impossible anyway. Just because something hasn't been proven to exist doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Just say a thousand years ago pluto hasn't been proven to exist right? Does it mean it doesn't exist? Or, I know a guy named Michael at my school. You never saw him but does it mean he doesn't exist?

Basically it's stupid to conclude that something doesn't exist just because it isn't proven to exist. I just means that it might not exist.

Look up "burden of proof", because it's a long and superfluous discussion.

Basically, the most reasonable route with any claim like this is to first assume it does not exist, since there's no reason to believe it does. If someone creates the claim that it exists, it is then their duty to prove it if it is to be taken seriously. You can't prove or disprove whether a giant killer invisible mouse is running around the surface of the sun, but since it's absurd, you wouldn't take it seriously unless I could prove it.

You are claiming that you can physically get rid of heat in specific areas. This is not an ability that the brain possesses. There is no reasonable way for this to be possible, and therefore, the burden of proof lies with you.

I don't know what you did. "Sending cryokinesis into it" doesn't tell me anything.

Is this the experiment where there were was a cool breeze around your hand, or is this the five degrees experiment, or are they the same experiment?

Why would someone else, not knowing that you were doing whatever it was, be surprised that the temperature of the water dropped? You need to answer that for there to be an unexplained mystery.

As far as I know, it's possible to alter temperature in both directions.

Well, that site needed a subscription to actually read the article, however I can't assume it would have as much of a dramatic or noticeable cooling effect as a heating effect. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but the only cooling method the body has is with sweat, right? Since cooling is quite a bit more difficult than simple creation of heat.. I said "all that much cooler" to account for the cooling effect that sweat can have, but I can't think of any other means with which that would be done... and if I remember correctly, raising the temperature of the body consciously is done by warming the blood. I guess if you could stop the production of heat by the body, you would cool yourself down, but only to the current environment's temperature, no lower...

Quite probably. I imagine it has something to do with modifying the hypothalamus's normal role to regulate heat within the body. Interestingly, another abstract indicates that the cooling effect is higher than the heating effect within children.

Try not to assume anything. You'll get things wrong a lot that way. When talking about something unrealistic that's not proven to be impossible you should usually just consider it as an unlikely possibility. You don't know it's impossible yet.

I'm getting closer to the ability btw. But not closer enough. I guess I underestimated the training a little bit. But I haven't given up yet.

For humans, assumption is a necessary skill. It's basically the same thing as pattern recognition. If I see 999 irrational claims and none of them can offer any proof of truth, I can see a pattern and assume with relative certainty that the thousandth irrational claim is highly unlikely to be true as well.

If you have been telling the truth in this thread, you already have sufficient ability to prove that you have magic powers. Why would you not make a video now?




Hmm, that is interesting. I wonder how the self-hypnosis method compares to the meditation method that many adults tend to use, as I know it can be quite a dramatic amount of heating. There was a man who went in 8 degree water, and using this technique, was submerged with the exception of the head and shoulders for 26 minutes before he started shivering. He also ran a half marathon a bit north of the arctic circle in the ice and snow with only a pair of shorts on (Meaning barefoot, as well). He almost lost his toes for that one, but not quite.

I've always been under the impression that meditation and self-hypnosis were different methods for doing the same thing - reprogramming the body's autonomic system.

hehehe YAY been such a long time on these forums I miss seeing stories like this! Ok, I would like to ask a few questions.

1. There is no such thing as "coldness" just lack of heat so if you can supposedly do cryokinesis wouldnt it be possible to do pyrokinesis?
2. Assuming you are telling the truth how skilled with this are you? Are you at a point where you can freeze a glass of water or are you able to cover larger objects in sheets of ice?
3. If you were to freeze something do you need to get it wet or do you pull the moisture out of the air?

I would say that if you can do it, go get yer one million dollars!