You may have heard of the Olympics before, but now, china says "we will stop the rain".
CHINESE meteorologists say they have stopped the rain from falling in experiments aimed at guaranteeing a dry opening ceremony at August's Olympic Games...

Too bad the US patent agency already stole it and called it HAARP and GWEN. I assure you, Tesla was nothing like what anyone imagines, and it should be obvious if you have never heard of him that the lack of his name in the mainstream was very much on purpose.(ofcourse propaganda played a major role in this also, in the 50's a super-man cartoon depicted Tesla as an evil genius who built an army of robots and threatened the entire Earth, its on YouTube... In the movie "The Illusionist", Tesla is played by david bowie, and his actual inventions are seen fantastically lighting fields of bulbs miles away from his lab, they have finally realized people have no idea, and are trying to pass off TRUTH as FICTION, something that is quite common. Note: the subtle theme of trickery being reality)

To see my point, look at Nikola Tesla's US Patent 685,955 Apparatus For Utilizing Effects Transmitted From A Distance To A Receiving Device Through Natural Media
This is the patent of the Tesla Coil, and with it Tesla did light lightbulbs from miles away. He also harnessed the power of Niagra Falls with his inventions, and went on to light the Chicago World's Fair in 1893 with it.
Ofcourse the above Patent was for a worldwide distribution of free-energy, transmitted through the air and with such precision barely a scratch of the energy is lost. He was opposed by the fuel industry, just as the fuel industry kept this little doosey out of the publics eye.

Worldwide Tesla Patents

You too would be a paranoid conspiracy theorist knowing what i know about Tesla alone, and by right you would be justified. Tesla himself is toted as the greatest "Scientist" the world has ever known, but he only strove to seek truth to benefit mankind, and everyone should be able to agree, science can be used both to create and destroy as seen with the nuclear bomb. Likewise, Telsa invented weather control for an all different reason... He believed he could turn deserts into fertile land and recognized its darker applications as well.

Here's a link to the chinese weather control story

UN LAWS, oh yes, and why praytell would their be laws about something that doesn't exist???? oh wait, thats right they kept you ignorant and KNOW most people are completely brainwashed and WONT believe it anyway.

Some things to get straight...
(S.2170), in the 2nd Session, 108th Congress, March 4, 2004.


Ask yourself right now why you do not know what the troposphere is.

Tropo(latin) meaning to turn or turning, this is because this area is the most dense of the atmosphere, containing 90% of it as the air pressure above is too light(thus precipitation cannot go higher as it condenses in the cold tropopause(top of troposphere). During the day, as sunlight heats the air and evaporates the oceans, the rising air displaces the cold in its ascent, this causes wind, thus convecting air or Tropo(turn).)

YorkShire anyone? Worst flood in over 100 years? BTW Youtube, you can find anything if you know where to look.

Unprecedented! Unexplainable! Thats what the news tells you anyway... And now China is letting the world know, but for those who already know, im sure when we start talking about Telsa, the mass of fools will point to China and say "nuh-uh, They dun it, you dumber than I are..." And so this is my pre-emptive attack.

Open your eyes, its an old tired sick game, and your a part of it!!!

Three cheers for good old Telsa!!




how very, very true.

China was planning on stopping the rain by having planes or artillery shells spread chemicals into the clouds that would cause them to dissipate before reaching the cities... this is rather well known... and many other countries have toyed with the same principle.

So what has this got to do with Tesla?

Zaus, the movie you were refering to was called 'The Prestige'. An excellent movie.

As far as Nikola Tesla goes, he was a genius in his own right. He was more along the lines of the most preeminent metaphysicist the world has known in our modern times. Noone can say where he acquired his knowledge. I think that he had a guided vision that was summarily thwarted by the likes of Thomas Edison, JP Morgan, and other captains of industry. A man who wanted to free civilization, yet became trapped by it's inequities.

Funny thing is, when he died in 1943, he was to meet with the president, FDR, they were to discuss how Tesla's inventions could revolutionize America. There is alot of speculation about how Tesla's and FDR's death were politically motivated, and they both died by the same poisoning agent. Irregardless, upon Tesla's death, all his papers were seized. I suspect that his research continues today. Without the vision that Tesla held, which was to enrich all of mankind with his knowledge.

Here's a great link for info about Tesla. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_tesla.htm

Everything has something to do with Telsa.

Trading was brisk on international Tinfoil Futures markets thismorning, following rumours of more "Tesla death-ray" posts appearing on Unexplained Mysteries.

And now, over to Kirsty for the Weather.

Meow Purr.

In "Tesla Said" (everything is written BY Tesla) there is an article about tornadoes.

The past page seems to have solutions but very small print to read, I might scan it to enlarge and post it.


My collection of Tesla material:




ED:Is odd science about Tesla or just general knowledge denied us.
There is energy up in the sky, where do you get it from.

Check this out about Hydrogen molecule:
It takes an application of about 100 cal to break apart a gram/mole of
the diatomic molecule which will recombine GIVING OFF about
100,000 cal.
1000x more heat than needed to start the process.
Could it heat your home in winter?
Sparked Helium registers 4x the Hydrogen process.
Could it power a car or UFO?
This science has been taken out of science books not by ETs.
There is a lot of energy in the gas we breath.

Well, Tesla may have created a few thing locked up by the FBI long ago
and removed from the patent office as late as 1947 into the 50s.
Together with any science book reference being confiscated as well.
One submarine electric generator developed in Nazi Germany
from a Tesla model was found and classified in the 1970s.
The so called dumbed out science, some seem to know about it
so you don't have to be as smart as Tesla, just smarter than the
government goons.

Yes, it is called fusion energy. We are still toying with it, but still don't have the technology nailed down to use it in any controlled fashion (a thermo-nuclear bomb is an uncontrolled fusion process).



This is of course a joke (or sarcasm) as that is simply not possible. To suppress the information one would have to get to Tesla (or any other) before it was published anywhere. After publication, the genie's out of the bottle and you can't put it back in. Believing otherwise is simply naive and shows a lack of knowledge with respect to how science works and how impossible it would be to do something like that.



I don't suppose that information comes with a reference. And exactly how do you classify something some 30 odd years after it was created and has been available to everyone putting in the effort to look for it. How does the Government know who has the information so they know whether the classification is actually worth anything?!

No, this one is just pure BS.



I have no idea where this myth surrounding Tesla came from, but it is strikingly odd. Everything Tesla published is out in the open, and there are no great energy creating devices or other revolutionary ideas hidden away. Sure, he took a lot of theoretical work from others and engineered practical implementations of them.

As I have mentioned before, Tesla was a great engineer, not so great a scientist.

Cheers,
Badeskov

I weep for you, i am crying as i write this, all of america shares your views, and we have been damned. Too dumb to know you are too dumb.

EDIT: history, science, and common sense have been hidden away from you, Tesla alone was the engineer behind the Industrial Revolution, i cannot believe how stupid Americans are, im ashamed to call myself one, this "land of freedom" with overtones of extreme fascism.

Tesla's revolutionary discoveries alone brought us the world we live in, literally, but i cannot think for you, and so you will blindly hold your own opinion as you march forward, ignorant of an entire 100+ years of american history.

Tesla invented things like... THE RADIO(which was blatantly stolen by Marconi, and 30 years later the patents were given back to their rightful owner)
Also, a ENGINE/GENERATOR(run in reverse all engines can be used as generators) capable of creating 25 pounds of torque per 1 pound of engine(cars of today vastly miss this mark, funny that?)
The TESLA COIL, that DOES transmit electro-magnetic energy flawlessly through the air, and would have been used for worldwide free energy if the Wardenclyffe Tower had 11 other towers to transmit to.

Some people kill me more than anyone will know, blatant stupidity no longer angers me, it yanks my heart strings and i can do nothing to stop it. There are many people out there like me, who know the truth, and can back it up 20 fold WITH DOCUMENTATION, as i have done above, but noone can teach a person who does not wish to be taught.

Awww.... do I sense a UM/Tesla lovematch brewing?



I'd be careful about throwing that one around, Zaus. It'd be far too easy for it come back and bite you on the ass, especially as unlucky as you seem to be with getting your actual, non-Youtube facts right. (Remember telling people that the US government "couldn't let Kentucky Fried Chicken advertise itself as chicken"?)

--Jaylemurph

Oh, why bother and have something as mediocre as facts ruin a perfectly good day?!

Cheers,
Badeskov

Oh, thank you for weeping for me although it isn't really required. I am perfectly happy as things are right now



Wauv, you really hold poor, old Tesla in very high esteem. So I guess all the other old geezers around at that time could just as well have taken their time at the local spa and just lounged around, as Tesla would do everything for them. And I am truly amazed by the capability of the US to hide history, science and common sense from all of us. How is that possible?! One would guess they would have used this excellent ability to keep a few other incidents out of the history books (Watergate comes to mind, amongst others).



I call my opinion an educated opinion, but that is just me. How I categorize yours I will politely keep to myself



Yeah, right. Why lets the facts stand in the way of a good Tesla fetish. Tesla did not invent radio He was the first to patent a good frequency emitter, but that was it. Radio was predicted by the theoretical work of Maxwell and before Tesla, both Hertz and Hughes had played around with radio waves (the latter sending Morse code). Again, he was the engineer that used other people's work and refining it for practical use.



Why is that funny?! I think you miss the point in that comparison. A car engine is vastly different from an electrical engine as you think of. You can get a lot of torque per unit weight just by pumping enough electrical power into it. Nothing revolutionary there.



What on Earth are you talking about?! Any antenna will transmit energy and once it is in the air, nothing is flawless. You have loss, reflections from buildings, trees and whatever and whatnot of limiting effects. A Tesla coil has no say in that. And there is no such thing as free energy - everything comes with a price tag attached to it. A Tesla coil is certainly not an energy generating device, it is basically just an antenna. You need something attached to it for energy to be emitted in the form of radio waves.

While ingenious for it's purpose, a Tesla coil is really just a very simple device. It doesn't have any hidden features or the like.



What documentation?! So far all I have seen from you is a string of factual errors in your interpretation of physics and how science works.

Cheers,
Badeskov

Edited for typo.

I mourn the tragic loss/suppression of Tesla's breakthrough research of the heartbreak of psoriasis.

Good heavens, Nikola Telsa (born 1856) was responsible for the Industrial Revolution,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_revolution ? He was also evidently a Time Lord.

Its not called "kentucky fried chicken" anymore, its called KFC now, they had to change it because they use CLONED CHICKENS, which is hardly anything like A REAL CHICKEN, rather it is a twisted, perverted use of science, for the dumb masses to enjoy blissfully...



You can imagine for a good reason, obviously you have never read a book about him, you wont find his name in high-school textbooks, isnt that alone odd? It is NOT, it is on purpose.
I didnt make up the 200+ patents Tesla holds in america alone...

Things like i dont know, ALTERNATING CURRENT, or THE RADIO(which IS A TELSA COIL), or THE MOST EFFICIENT PHOTOGRAPHY of the 1920's, THE WARDENCLYFFE TOWER and free energy(if it had been allowed), Harnessing the power of NIAGRA FALLS, discovering the precise high-frequencies that allow electromagnetic energy to pass through the skin(and light a nifty bulb) without harming the individual.
Things in the league of WEATHER CONTROL also...
Please be my guest, i dare you to read these links... (since you fools assume i get everything from youtube, FYI I knew about Telsa long before youtube... this is a link to several publications(DOCUMENTATION) from the 1888's into the 1940's, some writen by Telsa himself, and you can check all the facts, i dare you, you might learn something.)

As i expected, 1984 is here, did you "doublethink?" or, in the terms they use today "rethink?" you think im kidding? ROFL.


... OH MY GOD, read your history, Einstein worked in a PATENT OFFICE...
Wikipedia, Invention of Radio


And thus the Patent office confirmed Tesla as the rightful owner of Radio.



Tesla's New Monach of Machines, New York Herald Tribune, Oct. 15, 1911
Sorry, ten pounds of torque to a pound but nevertheless,


What made you assume it was an electrical engine? i never said that.



BASICALLY JUST AN ANTENNAE...
THE TRANSMISSION OF ELECTRICAL ENERGY WITHOUT WIRES, Electrical World and Engineer, March 5, 1904

...


Do you even know what oscillation IS. If not, the purpose WAS hidden FROM YOU, ON PURPOSE.



Tesla didnt see it the scientists way either, and he didnt do what most scientists do. People 100 years ago were far smarter than your average person today...

You need free electrons and other extra particles in conjunction with the electromagnetic waves being pumped into the atmosphere for the effect to work, Read the HAARP patent.

Dude, fix the topic entry: it's "weather" and "Tesla".

Sorry, just being anal. It's ok to have typos in the responses, but I'd rather have proper headings in the topics.

Don't mind me. Just being anal...

I don't know aboput high school text books, but a quick rummage among the Google facility offers


so I really don't think it's that much of a secret. Heavens, even Telsa has 396,000.

The internet is still rather new in comparison to how long text books have been around.

I think the point is that in school, as a child growing up, you aren't really taught who Tesla was, but you learn plenty about people like Franklin, Edison, Twain, Jefferson and others.

I also had a quick browse among the Amazon dot com.



If it is a conspiracy to hush it up, they're not doing a very good job if it.

There is the tornado topic and I hope to scan the last page and post it, I fear there may be no solution
and the Tesla bashers and Tesla 'lover' bashers will have another field day.

As pointing out too many directions has reaped a tide of criticism of talk but nothing added.
Tesla had many papers and hardware locked up by the FBI in 1943.
The goings on with Tesla are quite crucial to modern day lack of atomic science.
So more Tesla talk and back to the tornado later.

You may say science books were never confiscated as government goons scoured the science libraries
buy your say so is not evidence. This so called fusion is the so called cold fusion of the Hydrogen
molecule and not nuclear fusion. The cold fusion label was put on Lyne's 're discovery' after piecing
together adulterated science references. Its been said to not work, but it does.
The Relativists want the heat of separation to equal the heat of molecule re association, but it doesn't.
Energy does not not come from mass but from the electrical viscosity that limits the speed of light to c.
Isotopes shed mass and energy and have no mass loss except said mass.
Another non Relativistic event. Do engineering, not labeling.


ED: Sure, those books will do you no good science wise. They mostly cloud the issue of what
science was all about for Tesla but thanks for pointing out the wealth of information.
You will find Tesla's own book footnoted by the others.
Nothing is new except his social life, job locations and interpretations of what Tesla was saying.
Even passing off plans of beam guns as if that data was handy in any way.
The Cheney book has a published witness description of Tesla parlor demonstrations.
So to find the science of Tesla, use the Lyne books first.

That sounds like the Tesla solution in the ionizing the air with a positive charge causes repulsion.
The tornado will dissipate.
There is already a way to make many positive ions but the process and mechanism is being used and its not HAARP.

Tesla had a automaton airplane that generated positive ions in 1917, he might have thought
of using it on tornadoes.

A plane generating a surrounding shield of positive ions will not cause a sonic boom because the ions do NOT crash
together as air does to cause the loud bang, ions repel one another.

A bunch of positive ions streaking across the sky is basically an electric current the generates a magnetic field.
That would be something so see, only CGI can help there. Electrical properties are so hidden to us.

The tornado article:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/many...latornadoes.jpg

Well Tesla had the explosive solution after all.

I can't believe the government goons got to this too.

Does anyone have an opinion on what was bigger to the technological quantum leap? Tesla'a stolen research papers? Or reverse engineering of a captured UFO?

Talk about comparisons with no relation to facts. You might as well ask "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" or "How many Doctor Who fans ever get laid?"

--Jaylemurph

Priceless.

Well being since this a conspiracy thread dealing with Tesla and technology and not a stupid question thread showcasing your seemingly boundless supply of obnoxious repartee, I think it's plenty fair to ask for an opinion from whoever may enjoy discussing Tesla. I'm positive I never asked or implied that I care who can dance or who gets laid. Btw, I'm pretty sure nobody asks for your opinion, murph.

Far be it from be to stop anyone's innocent Tesla-Gniknaw. Or their angelo-terpsichorean calculation. Or even a poor anorak getting a snog in the back room at PanoptiCon. I was just pointing out the fact that theres no reasonable way to discuss what you wanted to talk about. Clearly, that hurts to hear, but it doesn't change the facts of the situation, unless you can tell me how to intelligently discuss and compare two completely unknown and probably two inextant things. Up until that point, you sort of have veered this topic into a "stupid question thread".




Nor yours. But that's hardly the point. I don't get not to post just because you don't like my response. Do you want to discuss what flavour of jelly babies the Care Bears prefer, too?

--Jaylemurph

only because you didn't look it up, on one hand the biggest turn off for closed minded people is aliens... with such a wide and vast universe, i cannot believe there is no such thing, in-fact i take the other extreme, the universe is teeming with life, probably so alien to us we dont "see" it, as it may live within a completely different frequency than the visible spectrum. On the other hand, you cannot start researching Tesla without realizing how truly deep he got into electrical phenomena, you find the limits of reality that he pushed, especially for the people in that day and age, caused a backlash full of angry ignorant people who took the same position you do murph, that was OVER 100 YEARS AGO, and your still holding onto denial as your weapon of choice...

You can agree ignorance of a situation wont save you from it(ignorant of the drunken driver headed 50 MPH down a one-way street headed for another car with an unaware driver), and on the same coin innocence wont stop horrendous crimes. You say "probably two inexistent things" but you have no evidence...

Any evidence you have is the evidence that discredits real(and fake) evidence, most placed on purpose to create the psychological barrier of denial by association.

This is the method of 9/11, so much was fake they hide it in plain view, like our favorite Illuminati battling hottie angelina jolie, a CFR member hell bent on turning america into a slave state through FEMA.

The FACTS:
over 600 fema camps in USA, most underground and capable of holding between 50-70000 people.
Council on Foreign Relations holds many an actor...
Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Diane Sawyer, Condoleezza Rice, Tom Brokaw, Paula Zhan, to name a few.
FEMA comes into play when there is a national emergency, and with it the people's rights are suspended.

You can check all those facts, and you will find them to be true. Do the math, what do you think is really going on? The dollar is falling like a stone, the war in Iraq was on foreign coin, and we never had the gold to back it up anyway. As of a month ago, the currency accepted for Oil became Euro's and Yen, meaning all american money has to be changed before you can buy it, thus the price will skyrocket as the corporate spectrum get their american dollars put in the hands of international bankers and leave the populace to fend for themselves.

We are already begging down a bad road, and it is about to crumble far worse than the "great depression".

Then the bankers will save us with the amero... Just like they "saved" us with the IRS, and before you know it you and everyone you know will be so in debt they will just come into your house and drag you away to slave labor. Good luck with that whole ignorance thing.

EDIT: forgot to add, in the HAARP patent we find...


HMMMMMMMMMMM.... free floating particles a part of the HAARP patent itself, is this not proof already the chinese are lying? Why re-invent the wheel, when you've got on sitting right next to you(that has been in use for years, funny that the worst natural disasters of all time are happening just about all the time nowadays... is it global warming? Be smart, dont buy the BS, they feed it to you to make you accept loss of rights)?

Tesla believed the Earth is a giant Di-Pole magnet(and i dont mean "was like" i mean is!), if your mind cant comprehend, take a look at the HAARP patent...


Meaning roughly that using the field lines either as close to the north or south pole will give the best results, hence why HAARP is in Alaska. Something to consider also, is that EM disturbances effect plasma much more intensely than air, as plasma is a concentration of EM gases.

You have done an outstanding job of not "discussing it in a reasonable way". I think bringing up the sex lives of Dr. Who fans is likely the most intellectual argument you have made on this forum. Bravo.

yeah, i mean, I'm sure it must be on Youtube somewhere.




great Scott, this is a Zaus thread about Tesla, or Telsa. And we're talking about not making intellectual enough arguments enough here?

arf.

You were right the first time. It's Tesla. [To say otherwise is so confusing - especially as it so much more easily rolls off the tongue. But it's the man's name. Gotta give him some respect: Tesla!]

The Chinese are not using any device invented by Tesla. What they are doing, and how they are doing it, is well known and has been in the public domain fro decades. So there's no conspiracy either.

How about retitling this thread:

"China claim to reduce rainfall over given areas using 50 year old weather modification technology"

(Subtitle: "Tesla turns in his grave because he's so annoyed he never thought of it first. As does Eastlund because if it works it means all his crazy ideas that defy known atmospheric physical processes were a waste of paper")

I'm not too sure about the Chinese using Tesla devices to control the weather. If they were, then they were sold the secret by the US.
Which is why I brought up the fact that all of Tesla's research was confiscated by the US government upon his death. He had the knowledge, just not the money. He died broke, but everyone involved with him made a bundle. His research may very well be the cornerstone of all military-industrial technology seen and unseen round the world today. We don't know because it's still classified.

That brings me to another point, where did all these ideas come from over the last 60-70 years? Was it Tesla or was it UFO technology? Can't find that out either because that's still classified. Mindblowingly original ideas don't just come in the mail. And a theory of relativity doesn't breed the kind of technology that Tesla was already proving at the turn of the century.

But, I suppose, if everyone wants to hijack this thread and talk about nothing more than whose logic is more vigilant, we can retitle this thread China admits breaking Global Weather Modification Treaty.

1977 Environmental Modification Convention
Weather control, as well as "weather tampering", are expressly forbidden dating from at least December 10, 1976, when the "United Nations General Assembly Resolution 31/72, TIAS 9614 Convention[13] on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques" was adopted. The Convention was: Signed in Geneva May 18, 1977; Entered into force October 5, 1978; Ratification by U.S. President December 13, 1979; U.S. ratification deposited at New York January 17, 1980

Either that or we can always claim the chemtrails.

I don't get it whats the big deal over the Tesla device, given it exists?
They told the world they shamelessly plan to use Cloud Seeding technology to modify/manipulate the weather at the Olympics...

That was pretty much /my/ point. I'm beginning to think all CTers really are paranoiacs; they certainly lack any sense of humour. I'm sure some lengthy, foamy post will ensue to tell us how we're inversely stupid to their keenly profound understanding of the world. With proof from Youtube.

--Jaylemurph

Im using the HAARP patent as my proof, I actually understand it.

Now that you assume everything i know comes from youtube(when in-fact i knew about this long before youtube, i read books, and a PBS show about Tesla mentioned his weather control idea's) you delve into your own stupidity, as you have taught yourself to deny anything coming out of youtube has no credibility, regardless of the vast amounts of truth that can be found.

The Elite are not dumb, most anything on conspiracies that comes from youtube is disinfo, with truth as the hook they can lead people to anything and expect completely uncredible info to be spread far and wide, if you had a secret of such massive scales, would you not go to such massive ends to keep it under wraps?

Even in Tesla's day he had to deal with you people, its documented history, the kind that you ignore because you do not wish to know.

That is your fault, dont blame me when a random natural disaster never-before seen happens(again) and they shove global warming down your throat to scare you into giving up your rights...

This has been going on for thousands of years.

Guilt by association, denial by association, and fear tactics have kept people in line all to well...

Ahem.

From the pinned Forum Guidelines above:



Normally, I'd ask everyone to get back on topic - but I'm slightly confused as to what the topic is. Perhaps you could clarify, Zaus - are you claiming that the Chinese are using Weather modification technology, as opposed to the cloudbusting that's being reported? Or is this a thread on Weather Modification Technology, with a misleading title - in which case - please PM me with a new Title and I'll change it accordingly.

Thanks in advance,

Tiggs
[Forum Mod Team]

Don't them discourage you Zaus. I enjoy reading your posts. Tesla is my hero.

The chinese are using weather control technology, which requires the use of aerosol mixtures(radioactive decay, or anything with a large charged particle density, such as x-rays and the like) to cause high densities of EM charged particles.
With these in the correct region above the target area the EM weather control stations on the ground have a much higher probability of creating the artificial atmospheric conditions when the EM pulses are released into the field lines.

Thus the chinese are lying and telling everyone they can do it without ever "officially" disclosing the existence of ground stations(information on this technology, especially in the mainstream, is almost never mentioned or mentioned in such vague and obscure ways as to keep it out of the public's understanding). When in-fact it was developed by Nikola Tesla in Colorado Springs and the documentation he had about it was destroyed when his laboratory caught fire.

It is possible they have found a way to do this without the ground stations, but i shudder to think of the sheer destruction of the bombs of tomorrow if they are capable of single-handedly causing the charged particle density, and setting it in motion to cause horrific natural disasters.

EDIT: You wont see the Chinese fail at this, and i doubt they are using cloud seeding, im pretty sure the Olympics are far too important for "ploy" technology to mask what the true applications are.

I wouldn't say a CTist lacks humor more than anyone else does. I think it has more to do with your sense of humor being a bit different then most.

ETA: Despite the nay-sayers that start barking at his posts, I think the information provided by Zaus is more informing, and at times more truthful than some would like to believe and/or are capable of believing.

That includes both the science he discusses and the points he makes in regards to how blindly and quickly people will be in terms of disregarding certain information due to it's source and/or the fact they aren't willing to accept it as even being a possibility.

It also refers to his comments that related to how people can be controlled. It seems many don't realize just how much a product of our enviroment we sometimes really are. People don't realize and/or comprehend the impact mainstream media has on the population as a whole, nor the grasp it can have over all of us.

Think about it in terms of being a global scale science project - whether it is done intentionally or not doesn't matter when discussing the impact popular beliefs and forms of entertainment have on the world. Whether it's done on purpose or not doesn't change the effect it has on people if they don't know or believe they are being manipulated anyway.

The point is that if those who control the media and truly powerful positions throughout the world wanted to cause knee-jerk reactions and the ways of thought that go through our heads, the means is available for them to do so in a number of ways. "Control" may not be the best word to use there, you may prefer to switch it by saying the means to "manipulate" are ways of thought and courses of action to make it more accurate.

I am not infallible, i know that much!

I am simply aware of a very strange, very twisted part of reality that at any time before 3 years ago i would have said the same as you did murph, infact i did alot of CT bashing in my day before i realized that what i was bashing made more sense than i had previously imagined, and oh how deep the rabbit hole of reality becomes when you start thinking in metaphors rather than a linear progression from one moment to the next.

I am just glad there are people out there who enjoy what i bring to the table.

EDIT:


I love it!!! Cant believe i never mentioned my original point, which was scattered to the winds(no pun intended) as i assumed i had posted it somewhere.

The treaty applies to weather modification in times of war.

Weather modification currently takes place on a regular basis in the USA (carried out by private firms) and has also been introduced recently in Australia. I believe the Russian also carry it out.

Whether any actually works or not - or just redistributes rainfall - is another issue


Edit - Zaus: if you have evidence that the Chinese are carrying out weather modification using techniques other than those they claim to be using, please provide it. The fact you think they are is not in itself evidence though

Well, i guess my only evidence is simply common deduction.

The HAARP Patent requires many extra charged particles to be introduced into the atmosphere, of which one of the methods is ground to air missile dispersal.

Cloud seeding seems to be an almost non-effective means of combating bad weather, whereas the "top-secret" not yet disclosed version (HAARP, GWEN, any other magnetosphere/ionosphere modifying technology) is a known way to disperse or form precipitation wherever you want it.

With so many thousands of ground-to-air missile launchers ready, and the fact that we are talking about the largest worldwide competition and china(which has always been more tight on its secret dealings than america), it seems completely illogical to me that if said tried and true technology exists they would opt instead to use cloud seeding.

Instead cloud seeding is being used as the vehicle to lie about a more effective weather control technology that has been around for a much longer time. With a density of charged particles already in the air, who would know when they shot off the EM pulses that would scatter(or condense elsewhere) the precipitation that would fall and ruin the games?

Since the general populace has no idea how weather can be(and has been, India and Yorkshire come to mind) manipulated it would be folly on my part to expect any evidence presented here would be given credence.

But wouldn't common deduction be that if the Chinese claim they use aircraft and rockets to fire silver iodide into storm clouds, that's what they actually do?

Bearing in mind that all your suggestions regarding HAARP are complete speculation with no basis in modern meteorology (Eastlund could claim what he liked in his patents - it doesn't mean any such things are even theoretically possible )

If I were the Chinese announcing I was going to use tried and trusted cloud seeding technology to seed clouds, I'd use tried and trusted cloud seeding technology .....

No doubt though they're aware a lot of people (amateur as well as professionals) will be monitoring the weather over and around Beijing very carefully to see how successfull they are



What do you mean by India and Yorkshire? I'm pretty sure there's not been any weather manipulation even attempted in the UK since the 1950s. Can't of course comment on India without no more details

Jayle,

I will have to agree here. I have one question: how does one steal research papers?! OK, they can be misplaced or even stolen before publication(well, if anyone had ever seen my desk they'd know why and how), but any sane person would rewrite them (and while not word for word, said researcher would still remember most of the essentials of the paper so it wouldn't be a big deal) and submit them.

The other option, that they were removed after they were published is simply ludicrous. Research is disseminated over many research institutions and countries and the idea that one could somehow magically remove all of them is simply way out there. That, in my honest opinion, displays a blatant lack of knowledge of how scientific publication actually works.

And then we are back to poor, old Tesla. Which research papers were stolen and how do we actually know they were stolen?!

Cheers,
Badeskov

PS; Yes, Zaus, I saw your reply to my earlier post and you are not forgotten!

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