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Egyptian-Illuminati
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=6073...mp;id=606373848

I can make sense of it, can you?
Fluffybunny
The law of attraction can be explained by a broken link. I get it now... tongue.gif
Fluffybunny
Now it is asking me to register and login to facebook...hmmm...

can you just copy the pic to your computer and upload it?
kraken
QUOTE (Fluffybunny @ May 4 2008, 08:30 PM) *
Now it is asking me to register and login to facebook...hmmm...

can you just copy the pic to your computer and upload it?

Hmmm Indeed. otherwise it makes you(Egyptian-Illuminati) come across as a 'scout' for facebook, and i personally wouldn't touch that site with a bargepole(or any similar kind of 'Social Network' site for that matter).

Sincerely: Kraken
atom286
QUOTE (Egyptian-Illuminati @ May 4 2008, 07:22 PM) *


I dont understand the picture.

Furthermore I believe The laws of attraction, contact and simularity along with any other occult ideas you cant find come down to quantum mechanics.

A simple case of quantum teleportation on the macrosscopic scale.
Nucular
QUOTE (atom286 @ May 5 2008, 11:37 AM) *
I dont understand the picture.

Furthermore I believe The laws of attraction, contact and simularity along with any other occult ideas you cant find come down to quantum mechanics.

A simple case of quantum teleportation on the macrosscopic scale.

A case of quantum anything on the macroscopic scale wouldn't be simple.

So how do you mean?




btw, to the OP: I'm not checking the link either, any chance you could just post the picture?
Saru
The link doesn't work for me either, the picture must be on a page only available to registered Facebook members.

If you need any help posting the image directly to the thread give me a shout.
Kerkido
Attached is the image, although I don't really understand it!
Hope this helps!
atom286
QUOTE (Nucular @ May 5 2008, 01:08 PM) *
A case of quantum anything on the macroscopic scale wouldn't be simple.

So how do you mean?

btw, to the OP: I'm not checking the link either, any chance you could just post the picture?


I think there are elements of the subconscious which are buried so deep down in our minds and are so far removed from external reality quantum effects come into play.

We have all heard of identical twins where one is in an accident and the other can feel the pain. Well I put this down to those quantum effects. The way I see it is that in each of our brains we have many billions of neurons we almost never use. Sometimes an extreme situation arises which uses some of these neurons like one twin getting their legs ripped of in a car crash.

Because they are not normally used I believe they normally behave quantum mechanically. When these neurons fire in the accident their wavefunctions collapse. However identical twins also have a lot of identical neurons which are going to be in a superposition with each other. Collapse one and the matching ones collapse too. Quantum teleportation occurs and the second twin gets to experience the horror of getting their legs ripped off.

The law of attraction is based on the same mechanism. The universe is not made of seperate parts it is one. This oneness is because everything is connected up with non local connections. Things that go on in the subconscious that effect neurons normally not used also have an effect on reality because of these connections.

To prove this there is a little experiement you can try. Sit down and write a 10 minute speech on anything then practice speaking it. It can be on any topic you like but try to make it an unusual one. Use your mind to be as creative as possible to really get that subconscious going. Then over the next couple of days read the papers, watch tv, examine the internet and look out for the coincidences that occurs. Because you choose an unusual topic to write it on this will kind of spook you when it happens.

To make the law of attraction work you need to use your subconscious. Suppose you want to be rich then I recommend every day writing a speech on what you would do if you were rich and then practice speaking it. Write poems to. Allow yourself to pretend you are rich and spend time acting like it. Those neurons hidden away in your brain will be activiated if you do it enough and then they will cause reality to follow suite.
darksoul_
QUOTE (atom286 @ May 5 2008, 02:57 PM) *
I think there are elements of the subconscious which are buried so deep down in our minds and are so far removed from external reality quantum effects come into play.

We have all heard of identical twins where one is in an accident and the other can feel the pain. Well I put this down to those quantum effects. The way I see it is that in each of our brains we have many billions of neurons we almost never use. Sometimes an extreme situation arises which uses some of these neurons like one twin getting their legs ripped of in a car crash.

Because they are not normally used I believe they normally behave quantum mechanically. When these neurons fire in the accident their wavefunctions collapse. However identical twins also have a lot of identical neurons which are going to be in a superposition with each other. Collapse one and the matching ones collapse too. Quantum teleportation occurs and the second twin gets to experience the horror of getting their legs ripped off.

The law of attraction is based on the same mechanism. The universe is not made of seperate parts it is one. This oneness is because everything is connected up with non local connections. Things that go on in the subconscious that effect neurons normally not used also have an effect on reality because of these connections.

To prove this there is a little experiement you can try. Sit down and write a 10 minute speech on anything then practice speaking it. It can be on any topic you like but try to make it an unusual one. Use your mind to be as creative as possible to really get that subconscious going. Then over the next couple of days read the papers, watch tv, examine the internet and look out for the coincidences that occurs. Because you choose an unusual topic to write it on this will kind of spook you when it happens.

To make the law of attraction work you need to use your subconscious. Suppose you want to be rich then I recommend every day writing a speech on what you would do if you were rich and then practice speaking it. Write poems to. Allow yourself to pretend you are rich and spend time acting like it. Those neurons hidden away in your brain will be activiated if you do it enough and then they will cause reality to follow suite.

yup

from our physical world we see this in effect by observing quantum mechanics as atom mentioned.
Many people refuse to believe this atm,mainly cause stuff like quantum entanglement arent completely proven yet,but loads of research is being done on those subjects.follow the Neuroquantology Journal if you're interested in the research.

They research a broad spectrum of Quantum properties & other stuff related like consciousness etc.

Vibrational energy (as I call it) combined with strong positive emotions & visualizing whichever you wish to manifest as if you already posses it,is one of the key formulas the way I see it original.gif
Nucular
atom286, thanks for the considered and thoughtful response. I do disagree with it, but I'll try not to be insufferable about it! I think there's an increasing (mis)use of QM terminology to arrive at folk explanations to bolster claims such as the 'law of attraction', so I tend to think it's important to examine it as closely as possible, and not just dismiss it out of hand as many tend to.

QUOTE (atom286 @ May 5 2008, 02:57 PM) *
I think there are elements of the subconscious which are buried so deep down in our minds and are so far removed from external reality quantum effects come into play.

I think this is the first non sequitur of several in your post; this is because quantum effects have little to do with being 'removed from external reality'. Instead, it's a case of scale: on the submicroscopic level, matter acts differently to the larger scale, and it is this different behaviour of particles which is described using quantum mechanics. So whilst the concept of the 'subconscious mind' is debatable in itself, if it is assumed to be a viable construct the validity of QM as a way of describing it would rely on its mechanism, rather than its removal from reality. The fact that QM is only used to describe the very, very tiny is because quantum effects simply don't translate to the macroscopic level.

This said, Roger Penrose's ideas concerning the possible quantum nature of consciousness may resemble in a certain sort of way some of your ideas; but it is important to note that, although first proposed more than twenty years ago, they are still speculative, and far from being widely accepted. Moreover, they concern consciousness generally rather than the lower-than-conscious automatic processes of mental function which operate beneath the accessible mind.

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We have all heard of identical twins where one is in an accident and the other can feel the pain.

Through anecdote, yes; but all well-designed studies into twin telepathy - which should be easily explored - have found no effect. Make of this what you will.

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Well I put this down to those quantum effects. The way I see it is that in each of our brains we have many billions of neurons we almost never use.

The human brain is composed of approximately 100 billion neurons, all of which are used by its many processes. I wonder if perhaps you are falling victim to the baseless 'we only use 10% of our brains' canard, which would have implied that there are 90 billion unused neurons in our heads? In actual fact, it wouldn't make biological, psychological or evolutionary sense if this were the case, since brain is quite a resource-intensive substance; the origin of that particular myth is obscure (to me at least), but it doesn't seem to be grounded in any science I'm aware of (unless you can correct me?).

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Sometimes an extreme situation arises which uses some of these neurons like one twin getting their legs ripped of in a car crash.

Because they are not normally used I believe they normally behave quantum mechanically.

Again, this seems to be a non-seq: things only behave quantum-mechanically when they are subatomic in scale; it is of no import in this regard whether a system is used often or not.

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When these neurons fire in the accident their wavefunctions collapse. However identical twins also have a lot of identical neurons which are going to be in a superposition with each other. Collapse one and the matching ones collapse too. Quantum teleportation occurs and the second twin gets to experience the horror of getting their legs ripped off.

You seem to be talking about quantum entanglement, yet you do not state why the neurons of the twins should be in a state of quantum entanglement in the first place. This is a very specific and delicate quantum state, and is not one which should occur in the manner you describe. Moreover, neurons do not have a wavefunction; subatomic particles do. A neuron is far, far too big to discuss in these terms, and reality could not be 'entangled'. Remember as well the way that brains develop throughout one's life: pathways and links are made between neurons throughout the brain with use, and it is these increasing and developing connections which do all of our thinking, not neurons on their own. Without use, there would be no connections; and without connections, there would be no cognitive phenomenon associated with the firing.

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The law of attraction is based on the same mechanism. The universe is not made of seperate parts it is one. This oneness is because everything is connected up with non local connections. Things that go on in the subconscious that effect neurons normally not used also have an effect on reality because of these connections.

This goes infinitely further than the already fantastic twin example. How are the neurons connected to the wide world outside? How would they have become entangled with Everything, and be able therefore to affect it at will?

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To prove this there is a little experiement you can try. Sit down and write a 10 minute speech on anything then practice speaking it. It can be on any topic you like but try to make it an unusual one. Use your mind to be as creative as possible to really get that subconscious going. Then over the next couple of days read the papers, watch tv, examine the internet and look out for the coincidences that occurs. Because you choose an unusual topic to write it on this will kind of spook you when it happens.

I like the fact that you actually give an example of how to test the theory; but there is a problem with this one as it stands, in that there is no way to differentiate between the 'law of attraction' hypothesis and what I would see as its more realistic rival in this scenario, namely a very normal cognitive bias which causes us to be more likely to notice things which are meaningful to us. As soon as one has picked the topic, and invested some meaning into it, the frequency of that topic's appearance in the random noise of information around us will remain the same, but suddenly we'll be noticing it more. Experimental differentiation between the two hypotheses is possible, but oly through strict controls and measurement.
John A Spera
QUOTE (atom286 @ May 5 2008, 09:57 AM) *
To make the law of attraction work you need to use your subconscious. Suppose you want to be rich then I recommend every day writing a speech on what you would do if you were rich and then practice speaking it. Write poems to. Allow yourself to pretend you are rich and spend time acting like it. Those neurons hidden away in your brain will be activiated if you do it enough and then they will cause reality to follow suite.


I do not think that pretending you are rich will work. You need to experience richness for the subconscious to attract more of that energy.

The subconscious uses multi-dimensional energy patterns. The physical neurons in the brain are the manifested aspect of those energy patterns. IMO to really be successful you need to work with the full scope of the unseen energy potentials that a person has set up for themself in a particular lifetime.

John

inkblot
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To prove this there is a little experiement you can try. Sit down and write a 10 minute speech on anything then practice speaking it. It can be on any topic you like but try to make it an unusual one. Use your mind to be as creative as possible to really get that subconscious going. Then over the next couple of days read the papers, watch tv, examine the internet and look out for the coincidences that occurs. Because you choose an unusual topic to write it on this will kind of spook you when it happens.


To make the law of attraction work you need to use your subconscious. Suppose you want to be rich then I recommend every day writing a speech on what you would do if you were rich and then practice speaking it. Write poems to. Allow yourself to pretend you are rich and spend time acting like it. Those neurons hidden away in your brain will be activiated if you do it enough and then they will cause reality to follow suite.

Ok, if you read a topic on something and you see references to it everywhere, that doesn't mean one caused the other. For example, if you are interested in, say, an obscure baseball player and you see him mentioned in a newspaper article the next day, that's like saying you magically caused some random person to suddenly write on that baseball player just so you can read it and notice the reference.

People who believe that are self-absorbed and suffer from magical thinking. The world does not revolve around them.
PulsE
ok im new to this stuffs but i'll give my opinion anyway

the center seems to represent the Me/I influenced by the external environment
the next circle is represents the Me/I without the influence of the external world
the outer most circle is the subconsciousness of Me/I
and the outer part is the universal consciousness

this seems to be like the states of mind i've read somewhere in this site, the center is the Beta state, followed by Alpha and the outer circle as theta and the outer most as delta
free will seems to act as a sender to the universal consciousness in some way while gravity seems to attract something out in the universal consciousness which brings it inside our conscious mind
Aanica
QUOTE (Kerkido @ May 5 2008, 07:46 AM) *
Attached is the image, although I don't really understand it!
Hope this helps!



that is the image but nothing else available that I could find
Aanica
QUOTE (Egyptian-Illuminati @ May 4 2008, 02:22 PM) *

No sense, but very scary, definitely alludes to conspiracy: some times it best to let sleeping dogs lye...
Camozotz
I dont understand the picture... unsure.gif hmm.gif
bleedingelite
It looks like a nonsensical chart. If there were a significant meaning, I'm sure somebody would bother explaining it.
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