One thing that disturbs is the Conservation of Energy. Matter can not be created or destroyed by any force so therefore it can not be created by God. I found a loophole in the statement declaring that matter can not be created or destroyed by OTHER matter. Or to be more specific because there is only a certain amount matter in the universe, matter can not be created or destroyed within itself. Not that it can't be created. If I shoot a flamethrower at this monitor right now, I am not destroying the matter, I am seperating the atoms into a different form. Energy is just transfering in different locations. But that's because energy is moving within matter itself. So it's not that matter can not be created, it's that we assume matter can not be created or destroyed because we see putting together and seperating atoms as examples creation and destruction,and since that has been proven wrong, people say matter can't be created, But it's just atoms and energy moving around in space. Outside of the universe, it's safe to assume that matter CAN be created or destroyed. Although I am pretty satisfied of my arguement, I want to see if anyone proves my new statement wrong.

You are corect in asuming That Matter can not be distroyed, But there is an infinate amount of Matter in all universes and beyond.

All matter is made up of spirit, all spirit is created from unconditional love.

Atoms and beyond are spirit, That holds stable Out of Love for Father and Father's love for Spirit.

If this love did not exist, All physical matter would dissapate, However the spirit which made the matter would be reabsorbed back in to the firmament ( Raw Material, Pure Love, GOD) to be renewed, and put out as something Good again.

Love is the only force which creates.

Love Omnaka

We have the law because under no circumstances has energy/matter ever been seen to be created or destroyed. That doesn't mean it couldn't, there may be an unknown process which does lead to it being created or destroyed, but it's no good just saying that, you need to observe it happening then break it down to see how and why it works.

Omnaka, I don't even know where to start.

Who told you that one cuz i never learned that in school?

unreal how you use sciences logic to determine the capabilities of god.

if you burn your monitor you are not seperating the atoms you are rearranging the atoms. this is a chemical reaction. you are destroying the compounds of the material that makes your monitor. this isnt reversable. its not matter simply changing state like ice to water. you are destroying your monitor.

i assume the 'conservation of energy' part is about the conservation of fossil fules?

are you arguing matter can be created or that it cant?

matter can be rearranged to create different objects but it cant be created from nothing and brought into existance.

They don't teach that in school because it's not true, she made it up.



He means the conservation laws, which roughly state that neither matter nor energy can be created from nothing or destroyed completely, they can only change form or convert from one to the other.

They do not teach about spirit in School, Thats why you have not learned it. Science has not learned about sirit either.

Ever wonder why atomic experiments work diferently , depending on who is observing them?

Spirit is the building blocks of all Matter and energy, Believe it or not.

Love Omnaka.

PS- I'm a Man.

Actually, thats not quite true. Matter can be created from energy, and it can be destroyed. Amazing how no one has pointed this out so far...

I was wondering. Its not my area of expertise but just einsteins basic equation E=MC squared would seem to imply that that was the case .And wouldnt something like the atomic bomb demonstrate that principle. the energy is released through the destruction of matter. My basic physics taught me that it was energy which could not be created or destroyed, merely transformed from one form to another. So the energy can either be holding the matter together, or if it is not required for that purpose, it can be creating a big bang and a hole in the ground.

If thats true than science has learned about spirit.

I believe in such existences, but even in the bible or where you got that from, it didn't say that the spirit was within the space of matter, or made from it Spiritual material for that matter. Where the hell did you get that from? There is an infinite amount of matter? Matter itself isn't infinite nor is quantity so how can there be an infinite amound of matter? And who said there is an infinite amount of universes?




sorry, but that's what I basically meant.



No, the Conservation of Energy is the theory that matter can not be created or destroyed. Yes, what you said.



No... according to physicists, matter can not be created or destroyed from matter or energy. What are you talking about? So I was saying that this doesn't go for God.

"I believe in such existences, but even in the bible or where you got that from, it didn't say that the spirit was within the space of matter, or made from it Spiritual material for that matter. Where the hell did you get that from?"

In the infancy of this world They could not even comprehend refrigeration, Much less Matter and atomic structure. There is much writen in the infancy of this world whichwas not written about or even thought about.

As I said when science realises what spirt is capeable Of it will make leaps and Bounds in technology, Hopefully they understand it before destroying this world.

I did not Hear this from Hell, Ha Ha , Heavenly Father(GOD) taught Me.

Because Universes are ever expanding and Making More, and it is spirit , Infinate spirit as the Force Of all, This is How, The spirits created are infinate, God is infinate, Love is infinate These create, Infinity is a hard concept to grasp.

I started a thread on God worlds and infinity on The spirit, belief section you might want to check out.

Any hoo Love unconditional is the answer. It deals with Trinity Of infinity, I go in to that later . Or maybe you will just have to wait for the book.

I dont say this to keep you in suspense, But I've spent the last couple years writing all this stuff down, and To tell it here and Just have it burried again, then someone else ask and Burried again, Iam not that Good a typist, So I'll tell a little Off the cuff Maybe you can figure it out, After I've edited the book and published, it will make more sense. Just finding this section of the book on My computer would take a while..

Actually The way its written in the book it's easy to figure out. This is hard.

Love Omnaka

you can not add to infinite. and you cannot subtract.
thus matter and energy remain a constant.

You are thinking Of infinity as a circle, what about the infinity which never ends? or Continues forever, How can that be possible without expanding, creating More, continuing. Everlasting infinat love , creats and continuse, not stagnant Running a circle, when Galaxies are born one could say this has happened before, so concieveably a circle was made , But what about The old Galaxies, Did they die or get sucked in to a black hole?

In a way you are right, in a way It continues forever ever expanding, and has since infinity, paradox .

Lovev Omnaka

No but they might soon.

Love Omnaka

if god is infinite then he has taken up this infinite space as well.

the universe is his flesh
god cannot become more
nor can he be less.

Umm, no, according to physicists, matter CAN and IS created and destroyed... Check your science again.

Einstein: E=mc^2 proposes the relationship that Energy and Mass are proportional equivalents (that is that mass momentum/kinetic energy is equivalent to Energy).
Quantum Physics tells us that the sum of all matter and energy in the Universe is "0."
And the conservation of mass/energy principle states that matter cannot be created or destroyed - but may change form to energy and vice-versa.
Likewise, the laws of thermodynamics...

So, yes, matter can be transformed into energy. And energy can be transformed into matter. (In fact, all matter is just our interpretation of energy wave forms, anyway)...

Close... but rather, its the conservation of mass-energy (not mass/energy) which states that the total mass-energy of the universe remains constant.

Thanks Stellar. Sorry about the hyphen hehehe...

Again , You need to define Infinate, Is it a stagnant circle which never changes or is it a linial line which expands and goes on forever constantly subject to change?

Love Omnaka

Omnaka, that is an excellent question!

I mean infinite as not being finite, or not being limited by spacetime. Space and Time are finite in their own perspective so there can't be an infinite amount of space.

If it never ends it is still a constant.

Omnaka makes great points and I do agree with him that when science can understand spirit great leaps will be made. As far as the infinite going outward though may I propose the same that it goes inwards? First they claimed the atom could not be split, atom itself being an ancient word that means 'uncuttable', but soon we were able to divide them with the discovery of protons, neutrons, and now leptons and quarks. Infinity not only extends outwardly but inwardly as well.

Your making assumptions that there is such thing as a spirit.

This is a valid point but only if you view God as a separate (probably personal) entity from creation. A more mystic notion whether Christian, Mahayana Buddhist or Hindu is that the Godhead, Primordial Buddha-womb or Brahman is one and the same with creation yet transcends it and has been like this eternally hence there never was a time God/matter was not.

So your argument is valid in a more cartesian outlook of God but not in a perennial philosophy or pantheon perspective.

What are you on about? There is always the same amount of energy in the universe, it just changes form.

Could you highlight where you "disprove" the conservation of energy?

And next time, some paragraphing would be nice, it makes it easier to read.

Untill the end of this world, then it gets bigger, More spirits have been created , More worlds More time, Mor Physical, Infinate expansion.

Everything for the timebeing, stays stable and constant out of Fathers unconditional love For his creation, and His creations unconditional love For Father (Father's will For us) but as with everything it is subject to infinate change, and what we see as hundreds of years, even aeons is a blink in the spirit world.

Good and love have already prevailed, it has already happened.

Love Omnaka

He hasn't shown anything, he has no equations, no evidence, nothing at all. He has just written his ideas down.