When I imagine heaven in my mind, I imagine paradise. It's a place of peace, perfection, beauty, wholeness, painlessness ect.

In other words, paradise.

Funny, but some spirits are believed to avoid heaven after they die, preferring to stay on this side instead to haunt the living. A 1/3 of the angels in heaven were kicked out also as a result of revolt against God (according to Christian teaching). Some argue they left voluntarily.

As children when we think about heaven we think of sitting on a cloud playing a harp for all eternity. *Enter snores*

When you think about the promise of heaven and how cultures do many things to earn it, meditate into it, blow themselves up and innocents to get it, or live a monastic life because they believe it's the reality and this is the image, it seems like the #1 place most average people hope for to the point or forsaking some carnal pleasures.

So I wonder. . . what DO we do in heaven? Why would anybody who gets there would want to leave when it is such a wonderful place? Why wouldn't every spirit leap at the chance to check it out if presented an opportunity? What could possibly go wrong that sin could even enter into your perfect little spirit brain that would make you want to bail? Boredom? Too many rules? God just sucks? Harps outta tune?

What do you think?

Nice sailor moon avatar. My favorite anime ever!!!

Heaven is a high rent district. Some souls either can't afford it or simple refuse to pay.

No joke.

Damn, that's good. I doubt that anyone has ever expressed it so well (in the English language)!

When a spirit hs lost it's body , it becomes fully conscious of how it acted while away from Home (Heaven) and out of remorse and sadness he will shy away from Father's love light which can and does cleanse the spirit, as it passes through the veil between worlds (Spirit , and Physical)

It is not something that we want, but something which can not be helped, after one becomes self acountable and sorry. a repentant child of God will shy away from this love.

Not to worry, on the last day Father is going to collect all those who were afraid of the light, and return them to love.

Love Omnaka

Nice post Omnaka, I totally agree. Think of it like this: you are a spirit being encased in a body of flesh, complete with all the desires of the flesh. It is the relentless pursuit of these desires, and the gratification of the ego, that so often drives the human experience. When your physical body expires, as he said, you are instantly one with your true soul. All the deeds of this life and others, you are now aware of, and you see all of your wrongdoings, all of the terrible karma you created for yourself to satisfy the ego. God's love is a corrective one, of growth, he wants us to be better....so some souls do become afraid of the light, and shy away from the need to purge themselves, or to incarnate yet again. In addition to this, some become so entrenched in their ego, that they are unwilling to let go of what they had, things like obsession with money or power, lust or vice, and that is why they remain. Bonded here by chains of sin, if you will. It is a sort of purgatory.

why heaven when earth is perfect.

everything is balanced here

Serve in heaven or rule in hell. It's about power. And even if the angels who left heaven wanted to go back it wouldn't be possible, angels can't be saved.

Spriirtual spheres of life and light emenate from and surround every angel and spirit. With everyone, these spheres flow forth from the life of ones affection and thought, and from the life of ones love and faith.

Since it is love from which Angels have thier life, it is furthur evident from the fact that everyone turns himself in accordance with his love...and those that are in love with the Lord always turn toward Him, and those who are in love with self, turn away from Him. And it matches the state of their interiors.

This is why I have always said the ego is the worse of ones self being. It turns you away from the Lord and leaves no room to love Him (or anyone else for that matter) when we are preoccupied loving our selves.........


Omnaka, your are so correct. Even those that have turned away will be given a second chance. But thats it. If they dont take it then...theyre gone!


Blessings......

Wanna bet, ?

Who told you this ? A book written by Man?

If Father can redeem The worst of the worst on this world, Do you not think He would redeem one of his special sons also?

The angels spirit was created with a tear from Fathers eyes to go with their breath of Life.

I can tell you now Lucifer Rides in the apocalypse For Good, Love , Light And God, He vhelps the spirit judge itself, More like a Councilor than How The rider named death is portrayed in The Bible.

Judging The angels to be beyond Forgiveness is not so wise, The angels are Fathers And Mother's special sons.Infact Judging Period someones elses salvation is not the wisest thing.

Father and Mother Have unconditional love for all thei children, and certain ones have already been prophisised to Have Made it Back to love, Their book of life wrote itself Before they ever experienced experience, which many deem evil or Bad.

Every thing being relative, Many who have sinned and repented , have done so because of how the righteous have treated them.

There will be more of the experienced , Jail birds , disenfranchised Going To our Heaven than those who judge their brothers.

The angels are your brothers. (Just created with something extra, Its a Phenominon)


Love Omnaka

If Heaven were to exist it would be the ultimate ego trip to some, and an inescapable cage to others.
Rationalize it any other way and you might as well call it Death, which many people find solace in anyway.

Excellent post. It raised my eyebrows in surprise !

When we die everyone will be surprised at what they find i believe.

Why cant Heaven be A place Of Unconditional love , Something Many crave while incarnate?

Not to worry, Those who do not want it will not recieve it, No cages in Heaven.

All will get exactly what their will desires, To some who like murdering and Killing, Hell will be Heaven.

Not really , Many will feel bad about what they have wrought on their brothers and sister , But everything being relative what I said first nholds true, and in the end of this world, those who do not like love unconditional, will be set free to experience their eternal spirits elswhere, Or will ask to be reabsorbed in to the firmament from which all spirit is created.

Love Omnaka

It has taken me many years to see that I think this is very true.

It will always be a mystery to me how some people just naturally gravitate to one side or the other. I wonder if that is the same in heaven. One day your Gods little angel and then it occurs to you that heaven isn't "fun" anymore and want to leave.

I dunno, it just seems like perfect peave and bliss is everybody's goal, so why leave it?

Awww thankies! It's my favorite too, my second is Please Save My Earth

Certainly had more ground than your, no offence, outrageous personal testimonies which are individual to you only yet you throw them around like they are obvious.

Could be fear of what lies in wait. Could also be a fear of boredom in a perfect world.

That's alright I know many of the things I state have not been heard before, much is only obvious to those whome think for them selves or searched inward , instead of a book. what I said about Judgement Is Obvious to me, sorry if it isn't to you.
I did not say it to make you feel dumb, Just to Think, and share what I know.

It is understandable if you do not believe what I share.

Love Omnaka

People aren't bored in heaven. That's why its called heaven! People don't get bored. Thus it's a heavenly place. The best place to be.

Oh, my second favorite is CCS. But I have never heard of Please Save My Earth so thank you it sounds quite interesting so I shall have to try and watch it sometime.

It differs between people what bores them. Earth seems a much more fun and exciting place.

Why avoid or leave Heaven? Simple, because the devil isnt there.

I agree that even the worst in this world can be saved if they wish but allow me to point out some key words here, "in this world". Isn't sin a product of the skin we were born into? How then would you describe what a rebellious angel does?

Jesus died for mankind to heal all sins. He did not come to earth to die so fallen angels could be saved. How will they be redeemed?



You can't be serious??



I believe it is only reasonable to think fallen angels can no longer enter the gates of heaven. Think of this, what would God be forgiving them for? Having free will? They have full knowledge of God and His power and even have no obstacles to overcome like we do while continually in God's presence yet still they turn away from him.

Well, if you do believe in God and he created you wouldn't he be the only one who knows what truly makes you happy? I have a feeling you aren't one of those people though.

I believe 'boring' is a product of man and doesn't exist in heaven.

As they say, "Spiritual, but not religious".

Also, depends on what kind of afterlife you are talking about. Course it doesn't matter what one would believe, it's whatever spirit that chooses not to go believes.

But heaven would be subjective, and determined by one's personal preference. For instance a lot of men would say their idea of heaven would be a massive mansion surrounded by beautiful naked women. Would god allow something many would call exploitation or abuse? Others, and a great many I would venture, would say heaven was total freedom, but how can God justify giving us total freedom to do anything, knowing what we are capable of? So I conclude that heaven would have rules, and a police force to back this up with.

In my opinion the idea of heaven is just another form of control organised religions use/d in their political maneuvereing, a reward to encourage people to stay on the straight and narrow, and in line with this hell is used to scare those who are tempted to do evil. Heaven in reality would never work because of human nature.

Maybe just maybe heaven exists as a human condition after death, kind of like an orgasm is chemical induced euphoria.

Everything being relative, one mans hell may be anothers heaven, with freewill, there is some place for everyone.

And those who want to be good and are full of remorse will find a diferent kind of state of consciousness,

Heaven Is just a place of rest for inbetween incarnations, while this world is still in effect, after this world, those who don't like The ways of our Father and Mother (God) will be able to go To another world far from the love they shun, or be reabsorbed in to the firmament from which their spirit was created, and put out anew. Maybe even as fuel for the sun. something to help keep life expanding.
For those who wish to continue the eternal life of spirit, after this world they will choos and be chosen to incarnate on a world which matches their desires, each one having perspective Heavens and hells for the duration of that particular world.

This is experiencing the spirit eternal. God, Father and Mother will love all no matter what they choose.

Thats unconditional
Love Omnaka

Hee hee, not to de-rail my own thread too much, but I host "Please Save My Earth" exclusively on YouTube. Here is the link, http://youtube.com/watch?v=KMnKXf4RpR8.

Exactly! This is why this question stumps me. Why leave perfection, peace, happiness, the apex of everything we long for that can be acheived. If you are there, why leave? If invited there, like "through the light" sort of thing, why run?

I guess it could be that every body is different, and we may never know why some gravitate towards the light or darkness. That is where they are comfortable and happy. Seems weird to me, but whatever floats your boat, ya know?

For the same reason we here grow up and leave home... to learn, to go to school I suppose...While there in spirit form, we know we will one day return...so we take I suppose a field trip here....we learn, we return home. Easiest way to put it. There is no concept of space or time while in spirit form. So it is of no consequence. There is a strive for enlightenment an learning.

Father has sent the angels down incarnate as well as The rest of the brothers and sisters, we are all eternal spirit created by eternal spirit.

An angel must be experienced in all ways Of man and spirit, and Being incarnate is the only experience which can achieve this.

Jesus did not die to Heal all Mankind, He died to show what judgement can do to a soul, some learned from his experience and some did not and still preach judgement today, in Bro Jesus' and Father's name. Go figure.

I have Knowledge Of God also But you wouldnot believe me when I say Father loves all unconditionally, instead would make him out to be some sadistic ruler or dictator who Creates us to suffer torments written, and wrought by Man's freewill.

Freewill means God only started you in the direction, and when you left Heaven where your eternal spirit was created of by and for Love, That it is your responsibilty to learn from this experience, But if you prefer to Judge God and Jesus by making them your savior, know that's the only way you will be saved, nSad IMO.

Taking full responsibility for one's actions and Learning from this experience Is blessed by God and the heavenly Host (Family)

Its why we experience, Experience.
Not so that we can blame God or Jesus or anyone else, and if you are, Then you are not accountable, or Learning from your experiences .

This is only My opinion, all have their own learning to do, and because reincarnation and eternal spirit is true, Know that it (Life) continues and maybe you will have better lessons next life. Or one can simply return to love witrh no recolection of Past lives , This is called cutting one's self out of the book of Life.

The Angels are special children Of Father Whose book of Life writes itself, from the Falls of those who are Judged by man to The first spirit Father and Mother ever created (NOT JESus).

But if Judging ANGels is what you cameto do, by all means Learn from your experience.

Yes Lucifer was redeemed and shining brighter in GOd's and the universes eyes than he ever Has For Good and Love, and yes He vrides in The Apocalypse. Your unbelief or judgement of Him won't change this. It was prophesised by Father.

You can only Judge Him while on Earth as a mortal, but after You will only Judge your self.

This is truth wether you believe or not.

I'll tell who the other horsemen are Later, Its not bro Jesus.

Love Omnaka