Yes, I've seen those pics!
So, are you saying that you believe that an orangutan escaped from somewhere, back in the 50's or 60's leading to the creation of those stories and then survived until 2000 to have his picture taken?

BTW, thanks!

Oh, you edited to say 2 escaped orangutans. Ok, we can go with that too, like I said, anything is possible

You do not think the pics accurately capture an Orangutan? The features appear quite distinct?
No, I am surmising that as the legend is far reaching, the legend may have existed for a long time only to be verified in a delicious irony by an escaped Orangutan. Wether thse pictures are of the alleged beastie or not, I cannot answer, but if they are, it is clear that this animal is an Orangutan. I guess another possible is that it was brought there sooner, and survives a very small family which may last a few generations, sort of like the Ho Kiem Turtle? A lake monster that turned out to be a turtle with a most fascinating history?

And you are welcome. That is a nice shot! Looks like a dancer.

Yep, sorry for the edit, I thought 2 Orangutans are still more possible than a Biff. Sorry about that, but I have done it again!

Hehe, you stirrer, if anything is possible, post my middle name before I can count to ten!
ROFL, you're witty, how have I missed your posts? Do you drop into crypto often?

PS, up to 40.............

i want to go back to the area, but they blocked off the road because a little whiles back some people went to the cemetary and bashed some graves and stuff. ruins the fun for folks like us that are interested in the myths and folklore of the area, and i would rather keep my scholarship than be arrested in milton on account of something stupid. but if i do get a chance to go back up there, i will definetly document the adventure.

What a shame that some have to wreck it for everyone. Attempting to track the creatures is fun and healthy.
Perhaps some local maps might reveal the local waterholes. I would stake them out if you can, or search them for clues. Everything needs water.

i do have the whole summer before i start semester 5 at college. ill do some research in the following weeks and check it out. maybe do a river exploration on the Black River

Best of luck, remember the cameras, water, and tell people where you are going and when you expect to be back. If you can, give them a rough idea of your proposed route.

Bring me back a souvineer!

Aaack! I missed the 10 second time frame! Is it Ralph?
Thanks for the info on the Ho Kiem Turtle, I'd never heard of it and it is a very interesting story!
I decided to play it your way and pretend that this was an orangutan sighting.
But where would the orangutan have escaped from?
So I spent oh, I don't know, 5 minutes looking around and found out that Myakka City is almost exactly 29 miles from Wauchula Florida, and guess what is in Wauchula Florida?
http://www.prime-apes.org/

Go ahead bask in the glow of probably, being correct!!

Edited to add: I don't think that explains all of the sightings, not by a long shot.

ROFL I told you!! Not everything IS possible LOL.

No, not Ralph hehe. My secret..........



You are more than welcome I was wrapped with the story too, and, a real cryptid identified! Fascinating that Turtles live so long.



Thank's, I like to play The escape would have to be investigated, but many possibilities abound, the most obvious being a travelling zoo, but an escaped pet is not a far cry, Orangutans are heavily valued as pets - a main cause leading to their extinction. Another possibility I could think of would be to draw a parrrallel to the fighter pilots being blamed for ABC's. Mascot's let loose.



ROFL, I would not even know I was correct without your help! I cannot accept that glow without acknowledging your heavy contribution. Here, have 3/4's of a glow! It could supply a flow of escaped Orangutans. Maybe they are not all reported for fear of reprisal from superiors? Maybe 3 or 4 got past?

I would agree, I think the sources may be varied coming together with this sighting. People all over the world see this phenomena. If the pictures are genuine there is an Orangutan (or more) running around Florida. Biff sightings are global, and this I find the most daming evidence against the possibility of the creature as no theory can cover all situations. Whatever is causing this phenomena is common to humans at least. I quite liked the hallucinogen theory one member came up with. Suits the habitats, and can cause altered vision. A real possibility I think. My personal favourite is the parallax error + hobo = Biff theory. Add to that the bones argument and as a result, I feel it is very unlikely Biff exists, but I guess, many things are indeed possible, more so with a preecedent, and we have that. It sure is an interesting subject.

so far, i've started minor planning for this adventure. so far i have one person joining the crew for a 2 day trek, brining supplies for 3 days (in case of emergency). probably middle of july. will probably stray from the river idea, and head up some trails up near Jay, which is a little further past milton towards lower alabama. i will post more as the details and plans are made concrete

Please do, and good searching to you. You might consider some baits to lure activity. Peanut butter, fruits, CrackerJax, etc.

Thanks for part of the glow!!! I feel bad taking it though, since I started not to tell you about it.



Personally, I think that it is possible that Biff exists. There are just too many sightings, IMO, for all of them to be mistaken identity or hallucinations, but I could be wrong. I used to think that people were just seeing bears standing on their back legs. Then on a camping trip, I saw a bear standing on his back legs clawing a tree. There was no mistake, I immediately knew what it was.
So now, I'm a little more open minded about it.
I spend a lot of time in the woods around here, yet I've never seen the bones of a deer or a raccoon either, and I know they are plentiful in this area, I've seen them alive hundreds of times, but never dead. (I did find a dead alligator once)
So I'm not all that surprised that Biff's bones have never been found.
You are right it is definitely an interesting subject.



Please keep us posted on your adventure!!!!!! I've been to Blackwater Park, but not to Coon Hill cemetery, I might have to check it out!

Bah, you deserve it! You could not wrestle with your honesty



Actually, I am the opposite, I kind of wish I had not lost my innocence with regards to the creature sometimes (ROFL, no Incorrigible1, I did not have a visit with Patty as you once romantically described LOL). I grew up on a farm in the Oz outback and hunted plenty. Mostly Roo's and Pigs, and I saw many different carcasses. Especially when you have a predator problem. We used to get these evil Shepard-Dingo crosses that were as mean as could be. Come to think of it, I lived on a property that was 3,300 hectares. A big place, and when we lost a sheep, even several K from the house block, from the carcass my stepfather could determine the predator, and it's trail. Within a week we would generally have the culprit captured. Waterholes and banks are another very hot spot for the dead. Steep banks can prove to be too much of a challenge for thirsty locals. No bones in one small area could be explained, but I find a global situation a real big pill to swallow. The studies in the Pacific NorthWest (Patty's alleged stomping ground) are numerous and extensive. Did you know the snails and slugs of the Pacific NorthWest have even been studied and catalogued? There also appears to be no noticable impact on any animal population leading to the assumption of a larger predator from that area. I just think it incredible that such a detailed search of the area could be carried out with no trace of an 800 pound 8 foot primate. Globally, the creature is reported in many countries, yet not one has a shred of proof after 40 years of named exposure. Every PNW theory s contradicted by the global situation as well. That with the total abscence of such a creature from the fossil record is just too many problems for the creature to exist.
What keeps an open mind for me is the eyewitness reports. Some from very valid sources. The one thing that bothers me is the common denominator - man. Man is prone to human error and therefore is fallible, whereas physical evidence (bones, stool remains from meals, habitat etc.) is not, and does not seem to exist. One can only assume the only fallible element must be in question?
Either that or we have an 800 pound primate making us look rather silly! We have primates as a precedent on the planet, so the possibility to me cannot be entirely ruled out, but I do not believe the odd's are in Biff's favour.
Having said that, I hope to be wrong. I'd like for Biff to exist. It sure would put a great deal of wonder back into my life and make me re-evaluate a great deal. It would make one hopeful that other amazing sights from the macro world are yet to be encountered in the animal kingdom. Primatology would need a new chapter. It would be a most marvellous discovery.
Likewise, I do hope that young fellows expedition turns out well. It would be a real treat for a member to come forward with some new compelling evidence!

Okay, so more planning has been made, and the expedition is looking like either late june or mid july. with a group of 4 people right now. i am bringing a friend to help document it, a friend who is a good wilderness person, and someone who wants to find this beast as much as me. it is a 2 day trek. 3 days of supplies. we are bringing some dry food, flint, sleeping bags, cameras, and such. more information will surface
in the next few days or so