hell comeover or look up loyola U

A Jesuit Catholic university, teaching mysticism. Something doesn't sound right about that.

The investigation of psychic powers can indeed be conducted in a scientific fashion (that's the point of the sceptics on here I guess). Personally I think it's rather a shame that more investigation isn't conducted by universities (although someone should sit down and have a long talk about methodology with many of those who are). In my country (UK) there are a few centres with active programmes of research into these areas - for instance, the University of Northampton and Goldsmith's College.

What I was trying to find out from Weregirl was why she considers psychic powers themselves to be 'science', as she put it (I assume her to mean 'scientific fact' or something similar).

lol i dont agree its real or not infact this class is mostly based on its not but the thing is i know it is but to many people make a sham of it here look ais man is a great writer http://www.cfpf.org.uk/articles/background...pf_rational.pdf
it explaines all the so called psychic phemomion (cant spell right now) but my prof theory is every one has a part of the brain where you can see a parallel world may it be the world of the dead or not idk nor do i care. but i find it interesting that it is a science

its not a fact its all a theory everything is a theory because there will always be people out to dis prove things. it can be this...religon..even this world itself

Off topic, but how can you attend college, yet have such horrible grammar and spelling?

Loyola in Chicago or New Orleans?

I'm in class writing notes and having a debate plaese understand.

chicago Lake Shore campus

i graduate on friday

The definition of science isn't 'something that comes out of a professor's mouth'. I don't know what your professor basing his, erm, eccentric 'theory' on.

Thanks for the interesting link. Roll is a well-known investigator of NDEs, and his stuff (whilst being highly criticisable for the way it is conducted) has contributed to the study of the field. This doesn't make his findings right, nor does it make them 'science fact'.

Don't mistake the scientific use of the term 'theory' to mean that everything is on the same level of acceptance. The term has a special usage in science, and things can be both theory and fact, or entirely unevidenced theory.

on that i do agree

Congratulations What's your major?

Weregirl, these debates, like this one, so often descend (or start out!) in that 'believer versus sceptic' dichotomy... if you're at a decent university studying these sorts of topics, take the opportunity to go beyond all of that; don't uncritically believe, and don't dismiss anything without looking at it properly. Surely that's the way to go? Doing courses like that one are the best chance you'll ever get to try sorting the wheat from the chaff.

Edited to add: I didn't mean that quite as patronisingly as it came across I stand by the sentiment though.

my major is Psychology

I never said that...But the few skepptics who have tried it on here recetly, have done it once...Got some results, but havent tried it again...

I believe that one should attempt to have an understanding from both perspectives. To believe in the paranormal, but find the science behind it. We cannot explain everything, both sides shouldn't detest the others opinions either. Sometimes people with self-proclaimed abilities disrespect a skeptical opinion, but also, skeptics do as well.

Someone will have to prove it one day, but until someone can actually prove it and have numerous witnesses, people should not parade and claim they do have them. Why want the attention if you TRULY have them. And I do mean, in all honesty, have "powers". It is not necessary, and you will only get judged and labeled a fraud by many. I myself am a believer in the supernatural, but it does not hurt to have a bit of skepticism - to get a basic concept from both sides of the track, and to have the ability to explain what your "powers" are and not just to say you have them. Despite what you say, what you state, and what examples you back it up with, you cannot ever prove you absolutely have them.

The human brain itself, is an extraordinary thing. What people with "powers" do see, feel, touch, hear...it may be images created by the brain due to a specific problem, mentally. But that does not mean that automatically everything you see, or touch, hear, that is not normal, does not exist. The world is wonderful , vast, so there are many unexplainable things. So it would not surprise me that many things people claim to see, etc, are real. We will find out eventually, but until then I suppose the endless cycle of believers telling their stories and skeptics trying to disprove them will not stop.

Yeah, I got some results - static cling, air currents, and the heat from my hands messing it up. Perhaps this is what you are seeing when you claim to have powers.

When I cut these false factors out and did a real, controlled experiment, there was nothing to be found.

Where is YOUR proof?

I'm afraid you are totally wasting your time with Heartagram, just like I did. He's a fantasist and full of nothing but excuse after excuse and a great disappointment.

I worked with him and gave him some very reasonable tests to perform, test he agreed to do I may add. Then he backed out and started with the excuses again. He cannot do what he claims to do and I'm just letting you know that whilst it is temporarily interesting to debate and work with him it ultimately leads to disappointment. The reason he did not do the test was for the simple reason that he has no supernatural ability.

Heart's greatest ability is that of self delusion. He is also fond of excuses.

One redemption for him is his age and that he's got time to grow out of this fantasy.

I'm realizing this, but I'll be damned if I'm not interested in hearing his next excuse/comment as to why he doesn't need to provide proof - they're just so WACKY.

It's like if logic could barf - it would barf up these excuses.

You are wrong, yet again. I practiced these supposed abilities almost everyday for about four years
when I was young, I believed in it so much that I was sure something would become of it. But, alas,
NOTHING ever did. So, I eventually let it go, and grew out of it.

Recently, I practiced with the psiball for about two weeks; I also done the same for the pin/psiwheel.
But, again, NOTHING became of it that could not be explained.


You are talking about Psi-shields Heart...

Psi-Shields:
Gather psi to yourself, like making a psi ball. Imagine the psi coming out of your head as water comes out of a fountain.
Visualize the psi coming down your physical body, and as it touches your skin, it solidifies. Put several layers on top of the first one. You have just made your first shield.



Bubble Shield:
Gather the psi again, but this time, form it around yourself.
Visualize it forming around you like an egg shell. Like a Psi ball, you must program it. You must program it to not dissipate until you dispel it yourself, and program it to hold back what you want to hold back (this shield cannot hold back physical objects).

Marshmallow Shield:
Make a bubble shield, but this time, instead of visualizing an egg shell, visualize layers of melted marshmallows (make sure they stick together)
Put several bubble shields on the outside and inside to keep the layers from falling apart.
Program the shield to absorb and hold all incoming attacks.

Cloaking Shield:
Start out by making a bubble shield.
Program it to make your energy invisible.
When you're ready to get rid of your shield (this goes for any of these) simply visualize it disintegrating into particles and floating away.

Turtle Shell Shield:
Start by making a marshmallow shield, but program it to let you mold it into a turtle shell, big enough for you to hide in.



Mirror Shield:
This is a simple, but effective shield. Imagine your psi forming into a bubble around you, but instead of a bubble shield, imagine it turn into a mirror in front of you. This is a very good shield.

Sorry Heart! I find this Psi-Shield stuff to be nothing more than new age anime. That is nothing
more than fantastical nonsense when it is trying to be applied to reality.

Who was it that said, "There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of by the minds of men"?

I can only imagine what that comment was in reguard to.

We don't yet know the full power of our own brain.....and I think a lot of it has to do with
the willingness to believe......or at least open the door for belief and let nature take it's course....one
way or the other.

In a book I have about Remote Viewing....by Tim Rifat.....he talks about the 'Paranormal Damping Field'

" A creation of the entire human population's Psi-fields which is used to suppress all paranormal
abilities, to make agreed upon things and events real, while strongly exorcising events and phenomena
that do not agree with the common consensus."

Part of the training for remote viewing, he says, is to step outside, to overcome, the Paranormal Damping
Field.

Imagine......if enough people opened themselves up to belief.....it could be like the 'hundredth monkey' syndrome.

Heart may be lying, but he may also be telling the truth. You have to open your eyes to the reasons other than the lack of an ability. Falsely assuming that he backed out due to the possibility that he does not have any "powers" seems to be somewhat arrogant. Do not get me wrong, he still may not, but then again , he may. I am not saying he does have abilities, nor that he does not, but keep in mind some people tell the truth.

You may also hold the concept of people moving things with their mind, objects, people - in the stereotypical fashion spread by media. That is merely an exaggerated version of the possible powers people have. You stated his age could compensate for the "delusional belief" in so-called "powers". Well, he is older than me? Well have you ever considered that majority of people in our age group do not like being judged and are tired of being put down? Not to mention that if he recently discovered them, he would have somewhat a hard time attempting to maintain control over them?

I am not making excuses for him, but open your eyes to every possibility.

Well said!!!

I'm not a young person...but I think that older people CAN learn from
younger people.....and not just the other way round. Older people can sometimes
get stuck in their ways.....and have trouble changing their established belief-system.




Amen, to that........

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in

your philosophy."

Hamlet....to Horatio.....in Shakespeare's 'Hamlet'..........

I won't say I do not believe Heart, he seems like a good boy. It's somewhat like a paradox.
At times he seems to contradict himself, but yet he may be telling the truth.

The thing about the internet is that you never know what people's true intentions are, or if their statements are factual. Common sense brushes away those who obviously are lying, but it really is up to ourselves to decide on what we believe in.

I'm taking him at his word......

Re. young people.....isn't the poltergeist phenomena thought to come from young
people's 'energy'....? (especially teenagers?)

Indeed! It has been thought of, that children up until a certain age, are more prone to such phenomena.

Prone we shall be I suppose. I wonder if it is only temporary for a certain age group. I could be mistaken.

See my own quote at the top.....perhaps they loose their abilities (to varying degrees) as the
'Paranormal Damping Field' takes effect......??

Well, it may have to do with the informational intake children undergo as the years progress. A lot of experiences are often associated with children at a young age. By the time they reach High School graduation, they have gone through thirteen years of school, that is - if they did not fail or skip a grade in some cases. At a young age, they are pure, and more susceptible to experiences deemed non-normal, as they have not had societal outlooks on some subjects such as ghosts, paranormal imposed on them by peers or mentors.

Exactly........

Link - rvscience.com

I must say, that is very interesting. Thank you bee!

I will indeed, read more on that subject.

You're very welcome......

The way I see it...is....that although we are individuals....we are also part of the pack, flock, herd, shoal etc
and somewhere along the line...WE ARE ONE....so the thoughts and beliefs of others in 'the pack' can be
part of the collective energy.....and can impinge on deeper levels.....so...the disbelief of others...can
affect us. (if we let it...??)

Don't want to get into a ramble.....it's late where I am.....and it's TIME FOR BED!!!

That is a really fascinating website, thanks Bee. Night.

While I agree that collective energy can produce results, I seriously doubt that those results can alter physical or natural laws. We know that postiive ions influence attitude and conduct but to extend that concept into moving material objects without touching them, reading minds or the future, teleportation, etc. passes the reality of common existence and enters fantasy and illusion. No psychic has won the lottery and Houdini didn't keep his promise. As much as people want to believe that natural laws can be altered or violated, they remain constant and controlling. As a youth I dared to wonder how hell could have eternal fire and eternal darkness at the same time. I always believed in those true laws that govern us . . . . and I still do.

Either crazy, lieing, or telling the truth. Guess which ones are most prominent on the internet?

Anyways if you TRULY have an unexplained power, and are tired of people bashing you, or giving you dirty looks/thinking you're crazy... do this...

Go to a university/school (hell even to the supermarket where the russian janitor used to be a physicist in his home country) ask them to give you a shot, and prove you're ability following proper scientific procedure. Or if you can't do that, video tape (good quality in a well lit room, no music) following our instructions (we ask you to turn "wheel" in certain order/cover with glass)....

But be on guard because the goverments anti-supernatural task force will try and capture you so they can study your head in a secret base in Vermont.... srsly, prove to me that THEY WON'T DO THAT...

I believe that people have no need to lie over the internet.

Proving anything to people is good. But it depends on the person. If they don't want to do it, fine. Asking for proof is highly overrated. When people question science, does people give them the "weird looks"? Of course. Therefore it does not matter what proof you give but the matter is on who supports the theory. As long as people keep telling themselves there is no such thing, no amount of videos will work. Excuses will pop up. Photoshop, lies, weak link blurry, and all that stuff. Its amazing that people who do not believe can find ways not to believe and people who believe can find ways to believe. And it is for that reason we will not get the answer.

I don't think it's got anything to do with altering or violating natural laws.....no-one could do that.

But....our knowledge of 'natural laws' are growing.....we don't know everything there is to know
about natural laws.

You can't be serious. Are you new to the internet? People use it to lie ALL THE TIME about even the most trivial things - and they get caught all the time, too.

Seriously, are you THAT gullible?

Can you give me an example of a recent discovery about natural laws?

Well.....having thought about this for about 30 seconds...

Wireless communication (ie radio, mobile phones to give 2 examples)

Is that recent enough?...or did you mean....like....last week....

I agree and a little humility helps as well.

This is an interesting short video (under 6 mins. long)......showing telekinetic ability?

Just from a historic perspective it's facinating.

This isn't on the video....(the egg thing) but the quote below refers to Nina Kulagina...

From 'Remote Viewing' by Tim Rifat....Reportedly...........In one test a raw egg was placed
in a salt solution inside a sealed aquarium six feet away from her. Researchers report she was able to use PK
to separate the yolk from the white of the egg.


The video>>>>> NINA KULAGINA

Can we really relate learning to use natural laws such as radio waves with transcending those laws with supposed psychic powers?

You just contradicted yourself there Spork.

Anyway, exactly how would you go about giving credible evidence over the internet? I'm just curious.

You just have to take his word for it.

Simple.

POWERZ PROVE'N!

I mean, there are so many different ways that technology has come up with that will aid greatly in changing proof. I do not mean that people will use them. I believe all of them are real does not imply you believe.

Ahh yes. It is true you may not be able to provide credible evidence over the internet because of photoshop. But it does not imply people are using it. It just means that there is one more excuse for the people who do not believe to deny it further.

I believe. But I am not gullible. Just because I believe you say that I am gullible? Indeed no. I believe that they are real. Therefore, I also think that people have no need to lie.