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bball
Because I just did today. It is not a very comfortable place, to be honest. Bible quotes fill the billboards, complete with instilling fear. One church had three full-sized billboards withing a hundred yards. All containing Bible quotes and the third had big bolded capital letters saying "OBEY GOD'S WORD." And underneath it, directions to the Church. Is this really a good way to spend the peoples donated money? Is that what you would want the church to spend your money on? What do you guys think?

I saw one church that looked like a Las Vegas casino. It was huge, and in such a small town. It was complete with a huge 30 foot tall flashing sign, wrapped around a big screen TV. It just boggles my mind that such a small community could generate that much in donations. It also seems like what's important is the size of the Church and not the actions. Kind of a status symbol. I am not sure why else they would need to build such over-sized churches. And I don't want to hear because it gets alot of people. Obviously it gets more than most, but there are Churches around every bend. And I do know from experience because I was forced to attend a smaller church down there with an ex-girlfriend and twenty minutes was spent building up to the giving of tythes. Seems to be a lot of utilization of fear and a promise of the gift of rewards. They like to say things such as your tythes will enable us to let everyone know who we are and we can get more people to come and the crowd cheers. Again, seems to just be a status symbol and a constant search for more people to join and give their money . Of course this is just my opinion, but it is the sense I get.

The abortion signs were very scary too. I distinctly remember one-"Smile. Your mother chose life." They were everywhere too, in some manner or another.

I understand that this is all just free speech, and I am not advocating against it. My point is that I spent only about two hours in what I would consider the northern regions of the belt. And it isn't hard to recognize the fear and socially acceptable rules that must be instilled by religion in everyone who occupies any part of the region. I can see how it would be very hard to break free of the social norms even if you wanted to. I think it is important to realize the culture and environments that many Christians grow up in. Thoughts? Again, I would like to stress that I am not trying to "bring down the belt' or something. Just something I noticed and was curious of what some of your thoughts or experiences might be concerning the subject of the Bible Belt. Anyone live it? Drive through it ever?
lmbeharry
QUOTE (bball @ May 6 2008, 03:33 AM) *
Because I just did today. It is not a very comfortable place, to be honest. Bible quotes fill the billboards, complete with instilling fear. One church had three full-sized billboards withing a hundred yards. All containing Bible quotes and the third had big bolded capital letters saying "OBEY GOD'S WORD." And underneath it, directions to the Church. Is this really a good way to spend the peoples donated money? Is that what you would want the church to spend your money on? What do you guys think?

... Anyone live it? Drive through it ever?

I took four months riding a motorcycle from Atlantic to Pacific and back. Rte 50 from Ocean City Maryland and all the way through until Colorado. I saw a sign in Missouri, or maybe Texas panhandle, or it could have been in Oklahoma (on the way back east). It was the first time I had ever seen this sign: CH--CH. What's missing? (U R)

Has anyone else ever seen this sign?
Lt_Ripley
I drove through it once in the late 80's .... scary !!
Karlis
QUOTE (bball @ May 6 2008, 01:33 PM) *
... (snip) ...
... and twenty minutes was spent building up to the giving of tythes. Seems to be a lot of utilization of fear and a promise of the gift of rewards. They like to say things such as your tythes will enable us to let everyone know who we are and we can get more people to come and the crowd cheers. Again, seems to just be a status symbol and a constant search for more people to join and give their money . Of course this is just my opinion, but it is the sense I get. ...
There are many "corporate churches" (corporate businesses) that insist on tithing. The beauty of tithing -- from the corporate business point of view -- is that once the corporation gains a tithe-payer, the corporation collects a tenth of that person's income, for the duration of that person's lifetime. That of course is "good business".

Live long and prosper, cool.gif
Karlis
Omnaka
QUOTE (bball @ May 6 2008, 03:33 AM) *
Because I just did today. It is not a very comfortable place, to be honest. Bible quotes fill the billboards, complete with instilling fear. One church had three full-sized billboards withing a hundred yards. All containing Bible quotes and the third had big bolded capital letters saying "OBEY GOD'S WORD." And underneath it, directions to the Church. Is this really a good way to spend the peoples donated money? Is that what you would want the church to spend your money on? What do you guys think?

I saw one church that looked like a Las Vegas casino. It was huge, and in such a small town. It was complete with a huge 30 foot tall flashing sign, wrapped around a big screen TV. It just boggles my mind that such a small community could generate that much in donations. It also seems like what's important is the size of the Church and not the actions. Kind of a status symbol. I am not sure why else they would need to build such over-sized churches. And I don't want to hear because it gets alot of people. Obviously it gets more than most, but there are Churches around every bend. And I do know from experience because I was forced to attend a smaller church down there with an ex-girlfriend and twenty minutes was spent building up to the giving of tythes. Seems to be a lot of utilization of fear and a promise of the gift of rewards. They like to say things such as your tythes will enable us to let everyone know who we are and we can get more people to come and the crowd cheers. Again, seems to just be a status symbol and a constant search for more people to join and give their money . Of course this is just my opinion, but it is the sense I get.

The abortion signs were very scary too. I distinctly remember one-"Smile. Your mother chose life." They were everywhere too, in some manner or another.

I understand that this is all just free speech, and I am not advocating against it. My point is that I spent only about two hours in what I would consider the northern regions of the belt. And it isn't hard to recognize the fear and socially acceptable rules that must be instilled by religion in everyone who occupies any part of the region. I can see how it would be very hard to break free of the social norms even if you wanted to. I think it is important to realize the culture and environments that many Christians grow up in. Thoughts? Again, I would like to stress that I am not trying to "bring down the belt' or something. Just something I noticed and was curious of what some of your thoughts or experiences might be concerning the subject of the Bible Belt. Anyone live it? Drive through it ever?


Makes me think ,,,,Glad I don't subscribe to any religion, But I liked the abortion add, Yup I'm Glad my Earth Mom had me.

Iam against abortion, but know everyone has freewill, and I won't go against that, But If asked I will tell, and if one is pro abortion, a little message on a sign should not bother, if he or she is true in their convictions that killing a fetus is not life.

LOve Omnaka
norwood1026
QUOTE (bball @ May 6 2008, 03:33 AM) *
Because I just did today. It is not a very comfortable place, to be honest. Bible quotes fill the billboards, complete with instilling fear. One church had three full-sized billboards withing a hundred yards. All containing Bible quotes and the third had big bolded capital letters saying "OBEY GOD'S WORD." And underneath it, directions to the Church. Is this really a good way to spend the peoples donated money? Is that what you would want the church to spend your money on? What do you guys think?

I saw one church that looked like a Las Vegas casino. It was huge, and in such a small town. It was complete with a huge 30 foot tall flashing sign, wrapped around a big screen TV. It just boggles my mind that such a small community could generate that much in donations. It also seems like what's important is the size of the Church and not the actions. Kind of a status symbol. I am not sure why else they would need to build such over-sized churches. And I don't want to hear because it gets alot of people. Obviously it gets more than most, but there are Churches around every bend. And I do know from experience because I was forced to attend a smaller church down there with an ex-girlfriend and twenty minutes was spent building up to the giving of tythes. Seems to be a lot of utilization of fear and a promise of the gift of rewards. They like to say things such as your tythes will enable us to let everyone know who we are and we can get more people to come and the crowd cheers. Again, seems to just be a status symbol and a constant search for more people to join and give their money . Of course this is just my opinion, but it is the sense I get.

The abortion signs were very scary too. I distinctly remember one-"Smile. Your mother chose life." They were everywhere too, in some manner or another.

I understand that this is all just free speech, and I am not advocating against it. My point is that I spent only about two hours in what I would consider the northern regions of the belt. And it isn't hard to recognize the fear and socially acceptable rules that must be instilled by religion in everyone who occupies any part of the region. I can see how it would be very hard to break free of the social norms even if you wanted to. I think it is important to realize the culture and environments that many Christians grow up in. Thoughts? Again, I would like to stress that I am not trying to "bring down the belt' or something. Just something I noticed and was curious of what some of your thoughts or experiences might be concerning the subject of the Bible Belt. Anyone live it? Drive through it ever?



Welcome to my world.. now trying being a Pagan here..... The signs that make me mad is the ones showing cheerleaders,firemen,waiters,Etc on a billboard. I guess the whole point is to become a Christian because everyone else is doing it. rolleyes.gif


Most people here that I have met that cliam to be Christians are full of B.S & they only time they get religion is on Sundays.
eqgumby
I live here too. Sometimes it is a little freaky to imagine people compelled to post the insanity on some of these signs. I personally can't imagine it being helpful to anyone. It's just self-validation I think.

Other times they aren't as freaky as they are well intended reminders of clever word play.

Personally, I think the black background, white text one-liners, signed by God, are absolute genius! I've seen them all over the country at random. That's the beauty of them. Simple, concise, non-denominational...sums it up very nicely I think.

Click to view attachment
bball
QUOTE (eqgumby @ May 6 2008, 12:18 PM) *
I live here too. Sometimes it is a little freaky to imagine people compelled to post the insanity on some of these signs. I personally can't imagine it being helpful to anyone. It's just self-validation I think.

Other times they aren't as freaky as they are well intended reminders of clever word play.

Personally, I think the black background, white text one-liners, signed by God, are absolute genius! I've seen them all over the country at random. That's the beauty of them. Simple, concise, non-denominational...sums it up very nicely I think.

Click to view attachment

I like that one! It doesn't really force a belief. Everyone can agree that "love thy neighbor" is a good message and many people could probably use the reminder.
bball
QUOTE (lmbeharry @ May 5 2008, 10:36 PM) *
I took four months riding a motorcycle from Atlantic to Pacific and back. Rte 50 from Ocean City Maryland and all the way through until Colorado. I saw a sign in Missouri, or maybe Texas panhandle, or it could have been in Oklahoma (on the way back east). It was the first time I had ever seen this sign: CH--CH. What's missing? (U R)

Has anyone else ever seen this sign?

That took me a while to get! But I give credit where credit is due, and that friends, is very clever. I am positive it has the effect the purveyors intended.
Clovis
QUOTE (bball @ May 5 2008, 10:33 PM) *
The abortion signs were very scary too. I distinctly remember one-"Smile. Your mother chose life." They were everywhere too, in some manner or another.


Abortion itself is a scarier concept than a sign which simply offers a pro life view regarding it.

QUOTE (bball @ May 5 2008, 10:33 PM) *
I understand that this is all just free speech, and I am not advocating against it. My point is that I spent only about two hours in what I would consider the northern regions of the belt. And it isn't hard to recognize the fear and socially acceptable rules that must be instilled by religion in everyone who occupies any part of the region. I can see how it would be very hard to break free of the social norms even if you wanted to. I think it is important to realize the culture and environments that many Christians grow up in. Thoughts? Again, I would like to stress that I am not trying to "bring down the belt' or something. Just something I noticed and was curious of what some of your thoughts or experiences might be concerning the subject of the Bible Belt. Anyone live it? Drive through it ever?


There are many who are simply not believers that live in the Bible Belt. As norwood said many even only have religion on Sundays. You do pose interesting questions though regarding fear and socially acceptable rules and how difficult it would be to go against the norm. On the other hand what about the social cohesiveness if any that it provides? I am sure there is as much drinking, loving strangers for the night, and drugging going on there as anywhere else.

I would like to see a serious study that looks at both sides and what the opinion of the researches would be. I live just outside the Bible Belt being in South Texas which is predominately Catholic. One thing though we are lucky with is that country music is just as popular here as it is there (^__^)

QUOTE (bball @ May 6 2008, 02:36 PM) *
That took me a while to get! But I give credit where credit is due, and that friends, is very clever. I am positive it has the effect the purveyors intended.


So glad to see that you truly are not being biased but stating your view. Others I am sure would not have a problem with that message on that billboard but do have a problem that it mentions God and might feel no one has a right to advertise that way.

On a side note I have been fascinated by church boards for a while. If I had nothing to do I would just go around the country taking pictures and compiling them as a hobby.
gabolai
Ha! I did not know these signs were only in the Bible belt.

I have seen them all my life, I thought they were the norm. . .

Clovis
Here are some more witty messages:

QUOTE
You are not too bad to come in; You are not too good to stay out.

Ask about our pray-as-you-go plan.

No matter how much you nurse a grudge it won't get better.

If some people lived up to their ideals they would be stooping.

[at an Arizona church in August] You think it's hot HERE?

Will it take six strong pall-bearers to bring you back?

If you can't sleep, don't count sheep. Talk to the Shepherd.


http://202.6.52.14/articles/6890.htm
eqgumby
QUOTE (gabolai @ May 6 2008, 02:56 PM) *
Ha! I did not know these signs were only in the Bible belt.

I have seen them all my life, I thought they were the norm. . .

Actually, I have seen MANY up north and out west, sometimes in surprisingly liberal areas.
Mattshark
QUOTE (eqgumby @ May 6 2008, 08:24 PM) *
Actually, I have seen MANY up north and out west, sometimes in surprisingly liberal areas.

They are far less common in Europe.
EmpressStarXVII
I live in the Bible Belt as well. Though I am not Christian, I honestly don't find any of their slogans, Bible quotes, and advertisements the least bit intimidating. Then again, I've lived here most of my life, and I just sort of let it "go in one ear and out the other".

There is pressure from all people around you though, not intentionally I don't think. At least in my case anyway. If I am heard cussing innocent.gif my family will say "You're not being a very good Christian!" Even though they are very aware that I am Muslim. Or if we are discussing a religious topic and my opinion differs from the majority they will say "The Bible doesn't say that." Despite even that, it still doesn't really bother me.
Clovis
Well we have those signs everywhere too but mainly just at churches. Maybe the Bible Belt has a higher proliferation of signage? Here are some other Bible Belts not in the US.

QUOTE
In Australia, the term usually refers to tracts within individual cities, for example the north-western suburbs of Sydney focusing on Baulkham Hills and the north-eastern suburbs of Adelaide focusing on Paradise, Modbury and Golden Grove, though there is also a section of south-eastern Queensland comprising the towns of Laidley, Gatton and Toowoomba which is referred to as the Bible Belt.

In Canada, the term is also sometimes used to describe several disparate regions which have a higher than average level of church attendance. These include the majority of rural southern Alberta and Saskatchewan, parts of southern Manitoba, the Fraser Valley of British Columbia, the Annapolis Valley of Nova Scotia and the Saint John River Valley of New Brunswick.

In China, Nanjing City is regarded as the area with the country's highest number of Christians since 1949. Amity Publishing House, a Christian publisher is based in this city.

In Denmark, the area of northwestern Jutland is often mentioned as a Bible Belt. The region has a large number of members of the Lutheran movement called "Indre Mission".

In Finland, the rural areas of Ostrobothnia and Southern Ostrobothnia are sometimes considered a Bible Belt.

In France, Brittany and Burgundy are relative strongholds of the Roman Catholic faith, while the Cévennes region contains a substantial population of Protestants.

In India, the north eastern states of Nagaland, Mizoram, Meghalaya and the hill districts of Manipur form a continuous Bible Belt. Nagaland, Mizoram and Meghalaya are India's only Christian dominated states. In fact in Nagaland, Christians constitute 90.02% (2001 census) of the population, with 80% professing the Baptist faith and thereby earning the sobriquet of The most Baptist state in the world. The Bible belt has emerged as one of the major areas of the world that sends out missionaries, particularly to South Asia and South East Asia.

The Netherlands has a Bible Belt (Bijbelgordel) as well, stretching from Zeeland to Overijssel. Immigrants from this area to the U.S. formed the Christian Reformed Church in North America. See Bible Belt (Netherlands)

In New Zealand, Mount Roskill, Auckland, contains the highest number of churches per capita in the country, and is the home of several Christian political candidates.

In Northern Ireland, the region centered on the northern part of County Antrim is often referred to as Northern Ireland's Bible Belt. This is because the area is heavily Protestant with a large evangelical community. The MP for this constituency is Ian Paisley, a Free Presbyterian Reverend well known for his theological fundamentalism. The town of Ballymena, is the largest town in the constituency, is often referred to as the "buckle" of the Bible Belt.

In Norway, the Bible Belt covers the south-western coast from Agder to Møre og Romsdal. In these areas the concervative branch of the Church of Norway has a stronghold and the members usually assosiate themselves to Indremisjonen (Inner Mission). There are also numerous Pentecostals and members of the Free Churches, but these movements are also strongly represented in the rest of the country. The Bible Belt in Norway often reflects the support for the Christian Democratic Party (Norway).

In Sweden, there is a Bible Belt covering the area around the city of Jönköping and Gothenburg, with a particular high concentration of non-conformists (Protestant congregations not affiliated with the Church of Sweden), especially Pentecostals and Congregationalists - and strong support for the Christian Democrats.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_belt
MissMelsWell
I can only think of one place (maybe two) that have a billboard advertising a church. They usually have some interesting fire and brimstone messages that can be seen from I-5 but they're in pretty rural north and south areas of my state.

Most churches in my area have a small reader board, mostly they have clever little sayings like the one Eggumby posted. But more often, it just posts their Sunday service hours.

The First Baptist church 4 or 5 doors down from me has a reader board, but it's all in Chinese, I kinda wish I knew what it said. LOL.

The other church up the street from me was saddly burned by arson a few years ago. The whole neighborhood, regardless of their religion, chipped in to help them rebuild (it's a VERY small church, no more than 50 members if that) and they now have a lovely permanent saying on their sign that reads "God's many blessing to our beloved neighbors" I dont' go to that church, but I love the sign, and ya, I donated to their rebuilding project, everyone did.
Clovis
It sounds like the neighbors are the true blessing.
Supra Sheri
QUOTE (Lt_Ripley @ May 5 2008, 08:36 PM) *
I drove through it once in the late 80's .... scary !!


I don't know that going thru the bible belt is at the top of my travel plans, its another world to me....... I am in Redondo Beach, California, if i go somewhere its Vegas, Cancun, Hawaii etc etc... LOL...


On the way to the gym there is one church that my 10 year gets a good chuckle out of the message on the sign, come in meet god stuff as that... the parking lot is always empty including sundays...... its actually pretty rare if at all to find signs containing messages as i am reading on here...I truly had no idea till i came to Um that so many call science a fraud etc etc....
snackfood
I have heard that people in very small towns will wonder about you if you don't attend church, and not because they think you are a heathen.
It's because they wonder how you spend your free time. In other words, there is no other form of social entertainment around in these areas.
Lady Otterwynnd
QUOTE (bball @ May 5 2008, 08:33 PM) *
Because I just did today. It is not a very comfortable place, to be honest. Bible quotes fill the billboards, complete with instilling fear. One church had three full-sized billboards withing a hundred yards. All containing Bible quotes and the third had big bolded capital letters saying "OBEY GOD'S WORD." And underneath it, directions to the Church. Is this really a good way to spend the peoples donated money? Is that what you would want the church to spend your money on? What do you guys think?

I saw one church that looked like a Las Vegas casino. It was huge, and in such a small town. It was complete with a huge 30 foot tall flashing sign, wrapped around a big screen TV. It just boggles my mind that such a small community could generate that much in donations. It also seems like what's important is the size of the Church and not the actions. Kind of a status symbol. I am not sure why else they would need to build such over-sized churches. And I don't want to hear because it gets alot of people. Obviously it gets more than most, but there are Churches around every bend. And I do know from experience because I was forced to attend a smaller church down there with an ex-girlfriend and twenty minutes was spent building up to the giving of tythes. Seems to be a lot of utilization of fear and a promise of the gift of rewards. They like to say things such as your tythes will enable us to let everyone know who we are and we can get more people to come and the crowd cheers. Again, seems to just be a status symbol and a constant search for more people to join and give their money . Of course this is just my opinion, but it is the sense I get.

The abortion signs were very scary too. I distinctly remember one-"Smile. Your mother chose life." They were everywhere too, in some manner or another.

I understand that this is all just free speech, and I am not advocating against it. My point is that I spent only about two hours in what I would consider the northern regions of the belt. And it isn't hard to recognize the fear and socially acceptable rules that must be instilled by religion in everyone who occupies any part of the region. I can see how it would be very hard to break free of the social norms even if you wanted to. I think it is important to realize the culture and environments that many Christians grow up in. Thoughts? Again, I would like to stress that I am not trying to "bring down the belt' or something. Just something I noticed and was curious of what some of your thoughts or experiences might be concerning the subject of the Bible Belt. Anyone live it? Drive through it ever?

One of my good friends used to live in the Bible Belt. She's very firm in her beliefs as a Christian, and those people scared her. XD She's glad that she moved away from that area, because all they do is force religion down people's throats and indocrinate beliefs into everyone (paraphrased from what she said about it). If I ever drove through the Bible Belt I'd probably have Bibles thrown at my car..... from what I hear, at least. Yes, we do have freedom of speech, but that's taking it too far in my opinion. Religion is a personal choice, not something that should ever be considered the societal "norm" or "required" to be a normal person. That's just ludicrous. We also have freedom on religion in America, and this is very much threatening this important liberty of our country. We don't need mega churches and giant billboards depicting religious beliefs and ideas. If people want to believe in a religion, it should be their choice, not an obligation.
Darkwind
I don't really know why but a lot of friends form our Pagan community are moving into the bible belt in the Carolinas. I think because they like the mountains and the climate than the Florida heat and hurricanes. They don't seem to mind all the Christian stuff around them. I think they just ignore it. When I lived in Ocala Florida I noticed it was very bible belt, but I wasn't a Pagan then and it didn't bother me. I just ignored it. As long as nobody is bothering me or causing harm I don't care what they believe.
xiaoecho
QUOTE (EmpressStarXVII @ May 7 2008, 06:35 AM) *
I live in the Bible Belt as well. Though I am not Christian, I honestly don't find any of their slogans, Bible quotes, and advertisements the least bit intimidating. Then again, I've lived here most of my life, and I just sort of let it "go in one ear and out the other".

There is pressure from all people around you though, not intentionally I don't think. At least in my case anyway. If I am heard cussing innocent.gif my family will say "You're not being a very good Christian!" Even though they are very aware that I am Muslim. Or if we are discussing a religious topic and my opinion differs from the majority they will say "The Bible doesn't say that." Despite even that, it still doesn't really bother me.


Amazing! Do you wear a veil? Here, from the other side of the world, I would have thought that the Southern American 'Bible Belt' would be a Muslim free zone
EmpressStarXVII
QUOTE (xiaoecho @ May 6 2008, 10:26 PM) *
Amazing! Do you wear a veil? Here, from the other side of the world, I would have thought that the Southern American 'Bible Belt' would be a Muslim free zone


I sure do grin2.gif. I agree, it is a place you don't expect to find Muslims lol, but we're everywhere tongue.gif.

QUOTE (snackfood @ May 6 2008, 08:38 PM) *
I have heard that people in very small towns will wonder about you if you don't attend church, and not because they think you are a heathen.
It's because they wonder how you spend your free time. In other words, there is no other form of social entertainment around in these areas.



That is so true. When I was younger I went to the church on Monday's and Wednesday's just to have something to do lol.
Cadetak
QUOTE (EmpressStarXVII @ May 6 2008, 11:06 PM) *
I sure do grin2.gif. I agree, it is a place you don't expect to find Muslims lol, but we're everywhere tongue.gif.




That is so true. When I was younger I went to the church on Monday's and Wednesday's just to have something to do lol.


I'm going to open a Chuckie Cheese and make a killing.
Belle.
QUOTE (Clovis @ May 6 2008, 10:13 PM) *
In Australia, the term usually refers to tracts within individual cities, for example the north-western suburbs of Sydney focusing on Baulkham Hills
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_belt


Hmmm I should make a daytrip to the Hillsong Church there one day. ph34r.gif

Wonder if they have people speaking in tongues and such. It all sounds so freakn exotic to an Australian to be honest. rofl.gif
Clovis
Hillsong has a nice choir that is for sure. Darlene Zschech is also great. The church though is rather huge if you want to see some tongue talking I would recommend a smaller venue since you can be closer to those experiencing the Spirit in this manner. Not sure how the mega church environment of Hillsong plays into that maybe someone here is a member there?
MUM24/7
QUOTE (eqgumby @ May 7 2008, 03:18 AM) *
I live here too. Sometimes it is a little freaky to imagine people compelled to post the insanity on some of these signs. I personally can't imagine it being helpful to anyone. It's just self-validation I think.

Other times they aren't as freaky as they are well intended reminders of clever word play.

Personally, I think the black background, white text one-liners, signed by God, are absolute genius! I've seen them all over the country at random. That's the beauty of them. Simple, concise, non-denominational...sums it up very nicely I think.

Click to view attachment



I love that one too...... thumbsup.gif

I wonder who makes these up ?? Do they hire advertising companies or what ??

Here in Australia we don't see too many signs like these displayed.....You might see a sign or two next to a church but they're usually harmless, e'g' Jesus Loves You or Everyone is welcome or words to that effect......

Until I joined UM, I wasn't aware of how 'ingrained' (for lack of a better word) the Bible Belt is.......Aussies are more laid-back and nonchalant when it comes to Christianity IMO.....Except for our PA wub.gif of course......
bball
QUOTE (Clovis @ May 6 2008, 02:51 PM) *
Abortion itself is a scarier concept than a sign which simply offers a pro life view regarding it.

I think what I mean by scary is that they scare you with there words and definitely powerful ones at that into have the "right" views.

QUOTE (Clovis @ May 6 2008, 02:51 PM) *
There are many who are simply not believers that live in the Bible Belt. As norwood said many even only have religion on Sundays. You do pose interesting questions though regarding fear and socially acceptable rules and how difficult it would be to go against the norm. On the other hand what about the social cohesiveness if any that it provides? I am sure there is as much drinking, loving strangers for the night, and drugging going on there as anywhere else.

I would like to see a serious study that looks at both sides and what the opinion of the researches would be. I live just outside the Bible Belt being in South Texas which is predominately Catholic. One thing though we are lucky with is that country music is just as popular here as it is there (^__^)

I am definitely not saying I think something should be done about the billboards, etc. Obviously they have a right to be there. I just don't agree with the forcefulness and recruiting style that many portray. And I just kind of find it fascinating. Not really sure why to be honest. Maybe because I am from further north and I have never felt any whole groups or organizations were forcing any beliefs on me, other than individuals here and there. But either way, I felt welcome, but still I felt out of place. I just know if I really started talking with people on anything more than small talk, they might have problems with my beliefs or views. Since I know that, maybe that is where my discomfort comes from, even if it is unfounded.

I find it kind of interesting that some of you who aren't Christian are able to just ignore the culture around you or accept it on some level. But good for you because if it did bother you, you would be renting a U-Haul.
Paranoid Android
QUOTE (Clovis @ May 7 2008, 02:35 PM) *
Hillsong has a nice choir that is for sure. Darlene Zschech is also great. The church though is rather huge if you want to see some tongue talking I would recommend a smaller venue since you can be closer to those experiencing the Spirit in this manner. Not sure how the mega church environment of Hillsong plays into that maybe someone here is a member there?
One of the people I work with is a Hillsong person. From what I can tell they don't focus a great deal on Tongues and the like, but as with all Charismatics there is a large focus on the Spirit. I'm not a big fan of that, really. The message of the Bible seems to get over-simplified and watered down. The parable of the sower text here was reduced to something along the lines of :

*in an American accent - the pastor, Brian Houston is originally from the States*
"You are the seed, God has planted you and now you must grow. But the devil is there to tempt you, he is the weeds, trying to choke your path. You've gotta break through those weeds, strive towards the sunshine of God that is growing just beyond those weeds. Shrug off those weeds and grow, grow, GROW. You gotta push, push through those weeds......".


Now, let's be honest - if you've read the parable of the sower, I'm sure you can see more of worth in the passage than this one-sentence statement. And Hillsong dedicated a whole sermon to this one idea. Just way way way too shallow in my humble and most biased opinion original.gif

Hillsong's music may be catchy, may be played by good musicians, but I also find most of them to be extremely shallow and focused on self rather than God - the subject matter is always "I'm so awesome now I've found God, God is in my heart and I love him so" - paraphrased, but pretty much sums up the content of every Hillsong piece ever written. I prefer to listen to songs that have a little more spiritual meat to them, focused more on God than on my own feelings about God.

Hillsong is a massive church, one of only two mega-churches in Australia (that I am aware of, that is). But since there are only two venues where they have their services, and one of them is only a small inner-city venue (the main venue is out in Baulkham Hills), numerically speaking there aren't a great deal of Hillsong believers compared to other branches of Christianity, which never get as many people to churches, but because there are so many more venues they outnumber them.

Just a bit of inside information.
norwood1026
QUOTE (eqgumby @ May 6 2008, 06:18 PM) *
I live here too. Sometimes it is a little freaky to imagine people compelled to post the insanity on some of these signs. I personally can't imagine it being helpful to anyone. It's just self-validation I think.

Other times they aren't as freaky as they are well intended reminders of clever word play.

Personally, I think the black background, white text one-liners, signed by God, are absolute genius! I've seen them all over the country at random. That's the beauty of them. Simple, concise, non-denominational...sums it up very nicely I think.

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God or no God you should love your neighbor I think the point that the sign is God has to tell you to because otherwise you can't make the choice for yourself. Which is yet another reason I stepped away from Christianty everything points to make people believe that without God you can only do bad.
lmbeharry
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ May 7 2008, 05:57 AM) *
God or no God you should love your neighbor I think the point that the sign is God has to tell you to because otherwise you can't make the choice for yourself. Which is yet another reason I stepped away from Christianty everything points to make people believe that without God you can only do bad.

Thanks Norwood. You and just about everybody at UM.com really make this place! We argue, we battle, but we're civil. And folks like you keep us all grounded!
Clovis
QUOTE (Paranoid Android @ May 7 2008, 12:57 AM) *
One of the people I work with is a Hillsong person. From what I can tell they don't focus a great deal on Tongues and the like, but as with all Charismatics there is a large focus on the Spirit. I'm not a big fan of that, really. The message of the Bible seems to get over-simplified and watered down. The parable of the sower text here was reduced to something along the lines of :

*in an American accent - the pastor, Brian Houston is originally from the States*
"You are the seed, God has planted you and now you must grow. But the devil is there to tempt you, he is the weeds, trying to choke your path. You've gotta break through those weeds, strive towards the sunshine of God that is growing just beyond those weeds. Shrug off those weeds and grow, grow, GROW. You gotta push, push through those weeds......".


Now, let's be honest - if you've read the parable of the sower, I'm sure you can see more of worth in the passage than this one-sentence statement. And Hillsong dedicated a whole sermon to this one idea. Just way way way too shallow in my humble and most biased opinion original.gif

Hillsong's music may be catchy, may be played by good musicians, but I also find most of them to be extremely shallow and focused on self rather than God - the subject matter is always "I'm so awesome now I've found God, God is in my heart and I love him so" - paraphrased, but pretty much sums up the content of every Hillsong piece ever written. I prefer to listen to songs that have a little more spiritual meat to them, focused more on God than on my own feelings about God.

Hillsong is a massive church, one of only two mega-churches in Australia (that I am aware of, that is). But since there are only two venues where they have their services, and one of them is only a small inner-city venue (the main venue is out in Baulkham Hills), numerically speaking there aren't a great deal of Hillsong believers compared to other branches of Christianity, which never get as many people to churches, but because there are so many more venues they outnumber them.

Just a bit of inside information.


Great insight PA. The songs are nice but not my favorite CCM songs by far. I prefer song's more like Awesome God, Shine, Golden City by City of Gold, Walk By Faith by Out of the Grey, and Wish We'd All Been Ready. I really enjoy the old time songs even more like Soon and Very Soon, I'll Fly Away, and Jesus on the Mainline.

I do agree that the parable of the sower definitely deserved more. In the past couple of years I have felt like stony ground =(
Clovis
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ May 7 2008, 12:57 AM) *
God or no God you should love your neighbor I think the point that the sign is God has to tell you to because otherwise you can't make the choice for yourself. Which is yet another reason I stepped away from Christianty everything points to make people believe that without God you can only do bad.


Too many choose not to today sadly. All the people bashing Christians surely do not love their neighbors and Christians who bash non Christians well they just have no excuse now.
ammy
That's why I stay away from religion,they*as in all of them* go too far sometimes.
Doug1o29
QUOTE (Lt_Ripley @ May 5 2008, 10:36 PM) *
I drove through it once in the late 80's .... scary !!

I didn't just drive through it. I've lived here for a little over ten years. Where the Bible-belt meets the Football-belt. Mostly, I handle the churches by ignoring them. Mostly, the fundies are good people, but rather insular. The billboards and signs are the doing of a small radical fringe. The "industrial churches" are in it to make money, but there are many small churches and some independent pastors and laymen who genuinely want to serve God by serving others. I occasionally have a beer with the pastor of a fundamentalist church (We meet in OKC where he isn't likely to be recognized.). This man has maintained a very liberal, almost revolutionary, theology for about six years while serving as pastor in a fundamentalist church.

Want to have some fun with them? Point out that they do a lot of gay-bashing, then wonder out loud why they put up these giant phallic symbols with arms.
Doug
Doug1o29
QUOTE (Lady Otterwynnd @ May 6 2008, 08:38 PM) *
If I ever drove through the Bible Belt I'd probably have Bibles thrown at my car..... from what I hear, at least.

I have an "Equality" sticker on my car. Also, a Blue Dot sticker ("Another blue dot in a red state.") and several anti-war stickers. No problems, so far, except for one idiot who couldn't drive his pickup (but that wasn't political). Got some interesting comments when I put a Star-of-David on my Christmas tree, though.

One year a co-worker who has a Christmas tree farm noted I didn't buy Christmas trees from him and asked if I wasn't a Christian. I told him I was a Reformed Druid. His jaw about hit the floor. He's not a Christian, either; he just makes some money selling Christmas trees.

Anyway, I find the people around here to be among the friendliest folks I've ever met (and at pot-lucks, you can get some of the best deep-fried catfish I've ever had.). But it is a good idea to avoid politics and religion in conversations.
Doug
mako
Well, I am a native "Bible-Belter"...try being a Deist in the belt...it makes for some interesting times...but I will say the the large majority of the Christians here are just plain good folk, but as was said before, a bit insular. One observation that I have made it that the churches and membership seem to be slowly shrinking...I can take you to quite a few closed churches around here and the "house organs" of alot of the denominations are fretting about this and offering suggestions to counteract the problem. Others just say it is a sign we are in the end times...LOL I perfer the first take on the matter and applaud them that they at least try! yes.gif
Wolf MacCanine
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ May 7 2008, 01:57 AM) *
Which is yet another reason I stepped away from Christianty everything points to make people believe that without God you can only do bad.


I remember a night where my manager accidentally gave a customer back too much money.The customer was honest and pointed it out.When the manager thanked the guy for being honest,the guy said "Well,that's what happens when you follow the Bible...it tells me what I should do,praise the Lord!"

I really wanted to look the guy in the eyes and tell him "Anyone can be honest...you don't need a book or a religion to tell you that you should be a certain way or commit certain acts."

QUOTE (mako @ May 7 2008, 12:13 PM) *
Well, I am a native "Bible-Belter"...try being a Deist in the belt...it makes for some interesting times...but I will say the the large majority of the Christians here are just plain good folk, but as was said before, a bit insular. One observation that I have made it that the churches and membership seem to be slowly shrinking...I can take you to quite a few closed churches around here and the "house organs" of alot of the denominations are fretting about this and offering suggestions to counteract the problem. Others just say it is a sign we are in the end times...LOL I perfer the first take on the matter and applaud them that they at least try! yes.gif


Not long ago,some older Fundies from a local church were at my work (a restaurant),and I happened to overhear some of their conversation.They were trying to figure out some ways to "lure" (their word...and the tone was that of someone planning a con) more young people into their church.I doubt any young people they get in will stay for long though,seeing as this batch of Fundies is particularly "Holier than Thou".

And this isn't even in the Bible Belt.

...

As for the O.P.,I'm originally from the Bible Belt...and you could see some of the same signs back in the 1970's.They weren't as proliferate back then as they are now.The last time I was through the Belt though,I saw a lot of the signs along the highway.
Sweetsalem82103
I live in the Bible Belt. I know it sounds just AWFUL, but there's this billboard not too far from my house that says "Jesus Christ is Lord". . .and I really want to get some spray paint and put "of the dance" underneath it. . .its so bad of me. . .and I really must stop thinking about it. . .but its just so tempting. . .

I guess it sort of stems from having to look at it all the time. Its painted this really awful color that blinds you when you drive past it. . .then, right behind it is a sign similar to the one you saw. . "Smile, your mother chose life". . . If I would have saw that as a child I think I may have been scarred. . . tongue.gif

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Welcome to my world.. now trying being a Pagan here

I'm a Pagan in the bible belt as well norwood. . .nice to know someone else that probably has to deal with the same things I do. Its not fun being called names by some of these people. . .and you are right, alot of them only have religion on Sundays. Not all of them, but alot of them.
Belle.
QUOTE (Sweetsalem82103 @ May 8 2008, 02:21 AM) *
I live in the Bible Belt. I know it sounds just AWFUL, but there's this billboard not too far from my house that says "Jesus Christ is Lord". . .and I really want to get some spray paint and put "of the dance" underneath it. . .its so bad of me. . .and I really must stop thinking about it. . .but its just so tempting. . .


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norwood1026
QUOTE (Sweetsalem82103 @ May 8 2008, 02:21 AM) *
I'm a Pagan in the bible belt as well norwood. . .nice to know someone else that probably has to deal with the same things I do. Its not fun being called names by some of these people. . .and you are right, alot of them only have religion on Sundays. Not all of them, but alot of them.



I sometimes wonder if Pagans posted a sign that read: The Goddess loves you. I bet the people here would have a fit.
bball
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ May 7 2008, 09:26 PM) *
I sometimes wonder if Pagans posted a sign that read: The Goddess loves you. I bet the people here would have a fit.

laugh.gif Somebody do it! That would be awesome. There are plenty of empty billboard spaces still.
Clovis
Goddess billboards here: http://hawkdancing.com/gdssigns.html
Mr Walker
QUOTE
I live in the Bible Belt. I know it sounds just AWFUL, but there's this billboard not too far from my house that says "Jesus Christ is Lord". . .and I really want to get some spray paint and put "of the dance" underneath it. . .its so bad of me. . .and I really must stop thinking about it. . .but its just so tempting. . .


Like urban legends, this practice musythave spread right across the world. Driving to a beautiful coastal hamlet with the unlikely name of cofffin bay in south australia, I noticed that someone had written the traditional first part of this message on the back of a large highway sign. It wasn't long before someone completed the message exactly as noted here. Personally i'm tempted to add the two words "of life" to the end, just to show christians can have a sense of humour.

The bible belt in Australia doesnt exist as it does in America. Our country people are possibly less overtly religious than their city counterparts., although they are more conservative by nature. The bible belt of australia is found in the newer suburban areas where the middle classes and working families, flocked to the new charismatic churches in the latter part of the last century.
Clovis
QUOTE
Like urban legends, this practice musythave spread right across the world. Driving to a beautiful coastal hamlet with the unlikely name of cofffin bay in south australia, I noticed that someone had written the traditional first part of this message on the back of a large highway sign. It wasn't long before someone completed the message exactly as noted here.


There are youtube videos and such ~_~
Mr Walker
QUOTE (Clovis @ May 8 2008, 02:33 PM) *
There are youtube videos and such ~_~

Im sure there are clovis, but being of the older generation, i'm not wise in the ways of "space book" and "my face." let alone "you tube brutus."

Not only dont i possess a face or a space, when i searched i couldnt find a single person i knew, or who was related to me, who had one, (students of mine excepted)
Nonetheless, while it is hard for me to believe on faith alone, i think your explanation makes logical sense thumbsup.gif
bball
QUOTE (Clovis @ May 7 2008, 11:52 PM) *
Goddess billboards here: http://hawkdancing.com/gdssigns.html

Those are nice but they are in Minnesota. I want to see some in the south. I think it would be slightly more off setting for some folks down there.

Edit-I did a search but couldn't find any.
Clovis
QUOTE (Mr Walker @ May 8 2008, 12:16 AM) *
Im sure there are clovis, but being of the older generation, i'm not wise in the ways of "space book" and "my face."

Not only dont i possess a face or a space, when i searched i couldnt find a single person i knew, or who was related to me, who had one, (students of mine excepted)
Nonetheless, while it is hard for me to believe on faith alone, i think your explanation makes logical sense thumbsup.gif


Oh I meant youtube videos showing parodies of the Lord of the Dance but with a man dressed up as Jesus dancing.
Mr Walker
Ah i see what you mean. I thought it was just a nice piece of cultural cross fertilization. Just goes to show what modern cultural allusions one can miss by denying themselves youtube.
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