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Pavot
I seriously do doubt this as a real possibility, and I mean the dude at the other end doing the surveillance would need some very extensive metal counseling, possibly beyond help blink.gif if he was watching my house and the going on in privacy.

And when I was thirteen and in my exploration period of youth I once watched in amazement as Jimmy Page, Robert Plant came stepping through my Father Huge Cabinet Stereo fifteen inch woofer packed Speakers while doing a Mean Guitar Rift off of the Physical Graffiti Album while I was doing an acid trip of two hits of widow pain, so would that be the same thing you may be elaborating upon here…
Personally I stay away for Junk foods they give me bad nightmares and screw up my realities… wacko.gif

Disclaimer I am not at any point here supporting or promoting the uses of drugs or eating of junk foods... Butt here covered...

Pavot
lmbeharry
QUOTE (Pavot @ May 7 2008, 06:39 AM) *
I seriously do doubt this as a real possibility, and I mean the dude at the other end doing the surveillance would need some very extensive metal counseling, possibly beyond help blink.gif if he was watching my house and the going on in privacy.

And when I was thirteen and in my exploration period of youth I once watched in amazement as Jimmy Page, Robert Plant came stepping through my Father Huge Cabinet Stereo fifteen inch woofer packed Speakers while doing a Mean Guitar Rift off of the Physical Graffiti Album while I was doing an acid trip of two hits of widow pain, so would that be the same thing you may be elaborating upon here…
Personally I stay away for Junk foods they give me bad nightmares and screw up my realities… wacko.gif Pavot

My response to this one:
Neo: Why do my eyes hurt?
Morpheus: You've never used them before.

Dude, take a stroll through the internet to catch up on the new technologies that "they" allow us to see.

AND DO NOT DISCUSS THE PROSPECT OF USING/ABUSING DRUGS ON THIS FORUM!

3rd Edit: Judge Canellos (U.S. District Court Judge who taught my Business Ethics Class at George Mason University School of Management): The U.S. Constitution does NOWHERE guarantee a right of privacy!
Pavot
QUOTE (lmbeharry @ May 7 2008, 06:45 AM) *
My response to this one:
Neo: Why do my eyes hurt?
Morpheus: You've never used them before.

Dude, take a stroll through the internet to catch up on the new technologies that "they" allow us to see.

AND DO NOT DISCUSS THE PROSPECT OF USING/ABUSING DRUGS ON THIS FORUM!

3rd Edit: Judge Canellos (U.S. District Court Judge who taught my Business Ethics Class at George Mason University School of Management): The U.S. Constitution does NOWHERE guarantee a right of privacy!


Disclaimer I am not at any point here supporting or promoting the uses of drugs or eating of junk foods..

Dude:
I am cool I black mask over my TV screen with Jet black Spray paint when I hang from my kitchen chaundlear and I speak Yiddish when ordering my pizzas and Ginos..

Pavot
lmbeharry
QUOTE (lmbeharry @ May 7 2008, 06:45 AM) *
3rd Edit: Judge Canellos (U.S. District Court Judge who taught my Business Ethics Class at George Mason University School of Management): The U.S. Constitution does NOWHERE guarantee a right of privacy!

About Privacy!
Funny story. When I received my acceptance letter (as a 35 year-old Virginian living with my aunt in Maryland) from William & Mary Law, the Postman congratulated me.
How the hell did he know that William & Mary had accepted me????!!!! The letter was, in fact, sealed...
Pavot
QUOTE (lmbeharry @ May 7 2008, 07:06 AM) *
About Privacy!
Funny story. When I received my acceptance letter (as a 35 year-old Virginian living with my aunt in Maryland) from William & Mary Law, the Postman congratulated me.
How the hell did he know that William & Mary had accepted me????!!!! The letter was, in fact, sealed...



The U.S. postal service used to hire Psychic spies dude…now days they just listen in though you toasters and blenders, or move a “Watchful friendly Neighbor cool.gif in next door that have recording devices hidden in their bunny slippers when they come calling to the front door to barrow sugar…

Pavot
lmbeharry
QUOTE (Pavot @ May 7 2008, 07:13 AM) *
The U.S. postal service used to hire Psychic spies dude…now days they just listen in though you toasters and blenders, or move a “Watchful friendly Neighbor cool.gif in next door that have recording devices hidden in their bunny slippers when they come calling to the front door to barrow sugar…

Pavot

You are funny!
Pavot
QUOTE (lmbeharry @ May 7 2008, 07:19 AM) *
You are funny!



It is cool it is all humor upon my part even the bit about the Experimental stage at thirteen years old really, I live a life of purity and righteousness my Brother, I am a Monk sitting upon here in a nine thousand foot high monastery and all the other Brothers are a sleep and I am using Brother Abbots PC and eating his bag of deep Fried potatoes chips that he smuggled in when he joined on here…

Pavot
lmbeharry
QUOTE (Pavot @ May 7 2008, 07:29 AM) *
It is cool it is all humor upon my part even the bit about the Experimental stage at thirteen years old really, I live a life of purity and righteousness my Brother, I am a Monk sitting upon here in a nine thousand foot high monastery and all the other are a sleep and I am using Brother Abbots PC and eating his bag of deep Fried potatoes chips that he smuggled in when he joined on here…

Pavot

Right on! I tell my wife that if we hadn't met, I would have signed on to the Buddhist Monastery here in Ulaanbaatar, then moved on to the countryside. Fortunately (or not) my wife and I met when we did. Otherwise, I would have been (happily?) patrolling the countryside eating rice out of a small wooden bowl chanting OHHHHM MAAAAANIIII PADNE OOOHHHHHMMMMMM!

Either way, though. I am extremely happy! I love my family.
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Pavot
Definitely a lot of love in your wee family there bro, lots of happy hearts there, you are a very lucky man indeed sir..Pavot
lmbeharry
QUOTE (lmbeharry @ May 7 2008, 05:18 AM) *
Thanks for posting the link. I read it. Like I said above, whenever "they" announce a new technology, chances are "they" have had it for years.

Further to this (as though I am talking to myself...) I always challenge my marketing students to come up with the sales price of the first new bit of technology - the Compact Disc player, for example. I challenge my business students to consider that the first one cost - maybe $30 Million in 1975. Who had it? The Chairman of Sony and his children. Then, the first public sales of CD players in 1982/1983? Maybe $3,000. After 1986, maybe $300 per unit. And after 1988, it became standard with PC's. In fact, after 1995, I realized that I didn't even need a stereo player anymore. All I needed was the PC and some decent speakers (the technology of which also drastically improved over the same time period).

But again, the point is that "they" have it before we do. For CD players - about ten years before. For LED screens that play (as well as which can accept imagery) - maybe also ten years. But again, I am stating a hypothetical technology as I have in all honesty not read that Light Emitting Diodes can "sense" photon transmission. But, shoot, the thing can turn electronic signals into photons, why not the other way around???
ammy
lol,well my TV has blowen a fuse or something,it still gets picture,but not very clear.Dunno if that matters for the cameras or not,but....X) I sleep most of the day anyways,so nothing interesting for them to watch XP
REBEL
QUOTE (NeoGenesis @ May 6 2008, 09:27 PM) *
Hehe,Funny.Watch yourself REBEL never know what might fly our way. gunsmilie.gif


Hopefully it wont come to that Neo.

w00t.gif
frenat
QUOTE (lmbeharry @ May 7 2008, 04:06 AM) *
About Privacy!
Funny story. When I received my acceptance letter (as a 35 year-old Virginian living with my aunt in Maryland) from William & Mary Law, the Postman congratulated me.
How the hell did he know that William & Mary had accepted me????!!!! The letter was, in fact, sealed...

Was the return address on the envelope? Was it a thick envelope? Typically they send small envelopes if they reject you as they only need a single sheet of paper for that. If they accept you then they need to send registration info, hoousing info, scholarship info, etc.
jaylemurph
QUOTE (frenat @ May 7 2008, 02:54 PM) *
Was the return address on the envelope? Was it a thick envelope? Typically they send small envelopes if they reject you as they only need a single sheet of paper for that. If they accept you then they need to send registration info, hoousing info, scholarship info, etc.


Yeah... it's hardly a secret you got into a college if you got the big packet.

--Jaylemurph
lmbeharry
QUOTE (Tiggs @ May 7 2008, 06:22 AM) *
Remote Desktop...is not an NSA backdoor.

There was a big outcry a few years ago over a registry entry called _NSAKEY. Now - that potentially could have been added to help the NSA create a trusted application - whether it is or not, is a matter of debate.

Personally, I can't see that Microsoft would need anything within the EULA over and above the usual "We will release any personal information collected pertaining to you if required to by law" disclaimer.

Tiggs, you made a really good point about the EULA disclaimer. BTW, I didn't mean to imply that Remote Desktop is a backdoor (for MSFT). I just stressed the text for the benefit of any who doubt that their corporate MIS guys can see and copy their files at the workplace. Regarding the NSA key and NSA, FBI, or CIA access. I figure if NSA went to MSFT in 1988 and said "I'm going to make you an offer you can't refuse!" I suspect MSFT complied. As I said above, the U.S. (and AT&T) had the capability to monitor private landline conversations and it is a matter of public record that FBI violated habeous corpus and rules of evidence to monitor phone calls in the 1970's and 1980's. I cannot bring myself to believe that FBI or Treasury was not monitoring phone lines during the 1940's (especially during the war) or during the 1950's McCarthy Era, or during the 1960's during the height of the hippie flower child drug culture. So given that history of abuse, why would anyone even disbelieve that NSA or FBI and CIA has access to computers that are online? All it takes is a classified Executive Directive or finding, buried in a filing cabinet at Justice - (or better yet, Eyes Only and for immediate destruction.)

BTW, this is the 4th Amendment (which is often violated). In fact, to press a claim that "they" violated your rights, you would (obviously) have to take them to federal court. Not many people want to take "them" to federal court.
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Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Since I was at University studying American and World History, I just assumed that if anyone wanted to know my secrets, they would have no trouble getting any dirt they wanted [it's just a matter of expense and how badly "they" wanted it.] Today it may not be as expensive as it was in 1988.

The U.S. government certainly has the technology to intercept cell conversations, landlines, and to screen internet traffic (as does the U.K, the French, and the Germans). I can't see how anything would restrain the government and other nefarious powers from using technology to access next generation digital tv's [which may or may not be able to sense photons through the light emitting diodes], or our current PC and laptops to spy on us. I am not saying that they look into our bedrooms. I am saying that they "could" look into many of our bedrooms, if they so chose. And their capability to spy increases with the introduction of each new technology.

But overall, my view is that this type of spyware is more to provide information to MNCs (Multinational Corporations) about how better to move the masses, force consumption, and keep the masses in line. I do not think the spyware is (as J. Edgar Hoover used to use his information) to blackmail any one of us by threatening to publicize our fantasies or secrets. [Anybody see the movie Sneakers? Memorable Quote: There are no secrets anymore... (Personally, I don't think there have ever been secrets in human society.)]

BTW, I am not paranoid. Neither am I afraid. Like I said before, this is just the way it is - it's just a fact of life.

These are some of the things we know about:
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Sneak and Peak Warrants Although neither federal statutory law nor Rule 41 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure (which governs federal search warrants) expressly authorized sneak and peek search warrants, and although the notice requirement of Rule 41 (under which officers serving a search warrant are required to deliver to the occupants, or leave on the premises, a copy of the warrant and a receipt for articles seized) seemingly prohibited sneak and peek warrants, in the 1980's “the FBI and the DEA ... embarked upon a widespread series of [court-authorized] covert entries in a variety of criminal investigations,”3 and by the end of 1984 had persuaded federal judges and federal magistrates to issue at least 35 sneak and peek warrants.4 There are five reported federal appellate decisions, three in the Ninth Circuit and two in the Second Circuit, involving the validity of searches undertaken pursuant to various sneak and peek warrants issued in the 1980's...
It is obvious that these restrictions on issuing sneak and peek search warrants border on the meaningless, especially in light of the somber reality that search warrants are issued secretly and ex parte, that they are typically issued on the basis of recurring, generalized, boilerplate allegations, and that the judicial officials who issue them tend to be rubber stamps for law enforcement. Take, for example, the “adverse result” requirement. The statutory definition of adverse result is so all-encompassing that it is difficult to imagine many criminal investigations where at least one form of such a result is not going to be arguably applicable; furthermore, to satisfy the requirement the court need not have reasonable cause to believe that there will be an adverse result, only that there “may” be an adverse result. The second requirement, that the warrant prohibit the seizure of tangible property, is drained of significance by the gigantic exception allowing seizure of such property “where the court finds reasonable necessity for the seizure.” It will be a rare case indeed where such necessity, if alleged, will not be determined to exist by the issuing court; and it may be confidently predicted that, with the passage of time, requests for seizure of tangible evidence will become the rule rather than the exception in connection with sneak and peek warrants. The final requirement, that the warrant provide for the giving of notice within a reasonable period, involves merely a question of the wording of a sneak and peek warrant, and the provision permitting the court (acting ex parte) to extend the period (one or more times) “for good cause shown,” a standard easily met, makes it likely that such extensions will become routine and pro forma.


You posters on the thread can easily find other evidence of federal invasion of your personal effects and private papers... I'm sure the ACLU has reputable records on Patriot Act and Crime Bill and how FBI and the Executive branch goes about "looking into our living rooms and bedrooms" every day.
lmbeharry
QUOTE (frenat @ May 7 2008, 07:54 PM) *
Was the return address on the envelope? Was it a thick envelope? Typically they send small envelopes if they reject you as they only need a single sheet of paper for that. If they accept you then they need to send registration info, hoousing info, scholarship info, etc.

It was a regular business letter envelope with one letter inside. The Postman congratulated me and the letter was still sealed.

The other stuff - the housing packet and everything else came later. [Weird, though. Even my undergraduate acceptances came in single envelopes. The housing brochures and marketing things came later.]
chemical-licker
ohmy.gif you mean they can see me m********* dirty bast****
Celumnaz
we can send data over the electrical lines. X-10 stuff is pretty fun, internet... data can be sent and stored.

My wife signed up for that Nielson survey stuff a while back, we thought it was just going to be the TV box thing, but they sent us this whole package deal thing. I never signed any confidentiality contract so guess can talk about it. Basically it was some kind of pager looking deal you'd wear around all day to work, shopping, driving, wherever and it'd report what kind of programs/commericals you heard, Anywhere.

The way they described it in the instructions, is that all media has silent codes played before each segment uniquely identifying the commercial/song/program/whatever. Humans can't hear the codes, but the pager thing can pick them up and store the info.

Then they say all you need to do is when you go to bed, put the thing in the charger (hooked up to a phone line) and it will transmit all the data your pager collected, as well as data collected from the electrical lines into the base unit.

So basically by all the different usage stats, they can tell if it's a blender, microwave, your fridge running, hairdryer in the morning...

We had the thing for about a week, never plugged it in, and then they did a recall on the whole project (Arbitron Apollo? think the name was) so we sent the equipment back. Neat little device. Great for marketing info, even better for social engineering.

Is there some connection between this, 1984, and these new converter boxes we're being forced to get? We don't have to be "plugged in" to transmit data anymore.
bigdog112
I had a habit of taking TVs that are broken and taking them apart piece by piece I am well verse in most technology and Ill tell you iv never seen any thing in a TV from 1985-2007 have any thing like a mic or camera in it. Al tho I have never looked for any micro sized mics or cameras in a TV before but next time I crack one open ill be sure to do a search.
NeoGenesis
QUOTE (bigdog112 @ May 8 2008, 09:11 PM) *
I had a habit of taking TVs that are broken and taking them apart piece by piece I am well verse in most technology and Ill tell you iv never seen any thing in a TV from 1985-2007 have any thing like a mic or camera in it. Al tho I have never looked for any micro sized mics or cameras in a TV before but next time I crack one open ill be sure to do a search.


Burning to know the result.

Cheers. wink2.gif
LoveSuxLoveIsWar
You my friend (the topic starter), are insane, and obviously quite paranoid. You're entitled to your own opinion, but wow man, just wow..get a better hobby! rolleyes.gif
frenat
I think the fact that no one has come forward saying "here is proof that there are cameras and mics in the tvs and pictures showing it" and that they haven't tried to sue the appropriate company is proof enough that it isn't happening yet.
cellardoor
QUOTE (antiaging @ May 6 2008, 04:30 AM) *
Strong reason to suspect that two way cameras and microphones are in the Television sets. They can look into and listen into your house whenever the Television is plugged in.
There was a time in my life when I saw evidence of this in my personal life. It was really like people on live television were like responding to things I said and did. I took note of it.
One day I was sitting at a Mc Donalds restaurant and this guy sat near me. He said, those people on the TV can really see you. I did not know that. He said he wanted to go and live out in the woods somewhere and get away from the city. I told him that there was a time when I thought that the people on the TV could see me too, but I thought it was a trick of the devil to deceive me and it was not really so.
After thinking about this and based on what I have seen personally, I must conclude that the television sets have hidden cameras and audio equipment in them and people can look and listen into your house through the televisions sets.
So unplug the television when you are not watching it.


Considering the fact that over 90% of the households in the USA alone owns at least one TV...don't you think that the constant surveillance would prove murders, assaults, etc. when in the presence of a television? Not to mention I work for a local TV station and visit major stations often, and I can assure you that no one sees or hears you. Furthermore, instead of continually accusing the government of "watching us," people should sit down and realize that the government really doesn't care what most people do. Who has the time or the manpower to make sure that no one is doing something crazy enough for the government to care? I'll also tell you about the 2 occasions that I fully disassembled and reassembled two separate TV's in order to fix them...I can assure you, if there was even a microcam, I would have found it.

I'm sorry in advance to all who read this and take it in as a negative comment. It is my first comment on this forum, though I have been reading up on it for quite some time.

I don't mean to sound pessimistic, or even argumentative right off the bat, I'm simply throwing my two cents out there. Take it or leave it, who knows the next time you'll need a couple pennies...
gigs
I will never forget the night I woke up to my neighbors baby crying over my baby monitor. I thought I was dreaming, but got out of bed and could see her in the nursery .

My cordless phone at my old house used to pick up radio and other people's conversations.

Back on topic this TV thing has been going on for over 10 yrs now and never proven.

A scanner is a different story .

antiaging
QUOTE (lmbeharry @ May 6 2008, 05:57 AM) *
I thought he was an astute observer making a strong point? Let's see when he posts again...


It can be back engineered from the screen. Probably also back engineered from the speaker.
An electron beam moving in a raster could scan the screen like in a video camera, changing light into electrical impulses for transmission. A small portion of the screen used like this would keep power consumption down to be undetectable. The sound could be changed into impulses using a small portion of the speaker diaphram. So you would not find a camera in the set. The camera and microphone are using components already there.
You might have the wiring in the yoke coiled a different way and some added circuitry and that is all. It means they could hide it so that you could not be able to tell what it is.


On another website I got several people calling me crazy, schizoid etc.
but I also got a response from someone that worked for Samsung in the assembly line. He said the TV department was very secret. It was locked off from the rest of the building. The employees to the TV department were kept separate from everyone else. They heard alot of the companies that assembled TVs were the same way. He asked his boss why this was so. He nervoulsy said it had something to do with the radio waves and walked off in a hurry. The next day he was let go from the company by the boss, claiming for insubordination.
He said I was on to something.

Who is behind the conspiracy?
Read the writings of Nino Lobello
That is my best guess based on what I have seen.

Tiggs
If the Government really wanted to know what you were doing inside your house - they'd use one of these, one of these and a little bit of this.
antiaging
QUOTE (frenat @ May 8 2008, 10:28 PM) *
I think the fact that no one has come forward saying "here is proof that there are cameras and mics in the tvs and pictures showing it" and that they haven't tried to sue the appropriate company is proof enough that it isn't happening yet.


As far as I can tell this has been happening since the late 1950s or early 1960s. I know alot more about this than what I am saying.
747400
QUOTE (Tiggs @ May 9 2008, 07:32 AM) *
If the Government really wanted to know what you were doing inside your house - they'd use one of these

that article, I think, has a rather touching faith in the trustworthiness of them, doesn't it... Fortunately for your neighbors, the camera can only be sold to police and military forces so you won’t be able to get your hands on one. Well, that's all right. Nothing to worry about there.

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747400
QUOTE (Eric Raven The Skeptic @ May 6 2008, 06:29 PM) *
If any of you really believe this, then get rid of your tv. Your imagination is much more fantastic than any tv program.

Best quote I've seen in this forum all year.
Rolci
Good thing I am not in possession of a brain-washing equipment... And some people pay for that...
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE (Kerkido @ May 7 2008, 12:01 AM) *
Wow.. that's unheard of, data through power outlets. Knowledge is becoming power afterall! blush.gif

What's your postal address? I'll personally hand deliver my TV to you to rid of it.. so if my fantastic imagination proves correct, you will be TWICE AS MUCH MONITORED! rofl.gif

I will gladly take your TV in exchange for a hamburger. tongue.gif
MissMelsWell
I wanna know why I don't know any of these people who work watching all this video they've taken of us watching TV and dancing in our underware in the living room late at night (or am I the the only on that does that?) That's a bazillion hours of vid, it must take millions of people to parse it all. Like more people than work at McD's worldwide.

Antiaging Dude, I've taken apart LCD TV's, Plasma TV's and standard tube TV's. NO camera's man. None. No transmitters either.

My HP laptop has a built in camera, but as several people will tell you... it's never on. LOL. and in fact, the process for the camera isn't running, so there's no way it can be on.

Some people and their paranoia.

Pavot
QUOTE (MissMelsWell @ May 9 2008, 09:36 PM) *
I wanna know why I don't know any of these people who work watching all this video they've taken of us watching TV and dancing in our underware in the living room late at night (or am I the the only on that does that?) That's a bazillion hours of vid, it must take millions of people to parse it all. Like more people than work at McD's worldwide.

Antiaging Dude, I've taken apart LCD TV's, Plasma TV's and standard tube TV's. NO camera's man. None. No transmitters either.

My HP laptop has a built in camera, but as several people will tell you... it's never on. LOL. and in fact, the process for the camera isn't running, so there's no way it can be on.

Some people and their paranoia.



Excuse me Miss but could you repeat that but this time speak a bit louder into the bunny slippers please, tongue.gif
Pavot
Michelle
QUOTE (MissMelsWell @ May 9 2008, 10:36 PM) *
I wanna know why I don't know any of these people who work watching all this video they've taken of us watching TV and dancing in our underware in the living room late at night (or am I the the only on that does that?)


wavey.gif blush.gif

Our TV repairman is a lifelong family friend and he would tell us something as juicy as that tidbit of information if it were true.
REBEL
''Lucky for me I only have poltergeist to worry bout.''




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NeoGenesis
QUOTE (REBEL @ May 10 2008, 06:50 AM) *
''Lucky for me I only have poltergeist to worry bout.''




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Now that would really be scary if that were to happen w00t.gif.
Torgo
Ummm... I've taken apart/repaired/etc plenty of appliances including TVs... no cameras just the circuity required to run the TV and receive from the remote... no conspiracy...

Also, one word: HOW. HOW would ANYONE EVER have the capability to look into millions of cameras at once and WHAT would they accomplish by seeing people vegetating on their couches watching battlestar galactica?

And to the OP: My uncle has schitzophrenia. What was said in the opening post sound EXACTLY like him before he got help. He's better now, no longer throwing couches at my family members and no longer thinking everyone is looking at him. Seriously, thinking news anchors are watching YOU and responding to YOU... if this continues you should seek help.
4dplane
Just because it's far fetched to think the gov could look at millions of people sitting on their couches does not mean they woud not want to. It would be very advantageous for the gov to be able to pipe into any TV at anytime; just because you can't look at 10 million all at once why not look at 1000 all at once.

Can it be done? Video I don't know; but a speaker is a MIC and digi tv should be able to receive & transmit.

Why!!!
It's called statistics, like to predict the weather, but with people - duh!
lmbeharry
QUOTE (Torgo @ May 10 2008, 06:08 PM) *
Ummm... I've taken apart/repaired/etc plenty of appliances including TVs... no cameras just the circuity required to run the TV and receive from the remote... no conspiracy...

Also, one word: HOW. HOW would ANYONE EVER have the capability to look into millions of cameras at once and WHAT would they accomplish by seeing people vegetating on their couches watching battlestar galactica?

And to the OP: My uncle has schitzophrenia. What was said in the opening post sound EXACTLY like him before he got help. He's better now, no longer throwing couches at my family members and no longer thinking everyone is looking at him. Seriously, thinking news anchors are watching YOU and responding to YOU... if this continues you should seek help.

I'm back. I was away for a few days and I came back to check the thread.

You guys who argue that there is no conspiracy?? You are absolutely correct. A conspiracy requires:
1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
2. A group of conspirators.
3. Law An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.
4. A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design: a conspiracy of wind and tide that devastated coastal areas.
(American Heritage Dictionary online).

It is not a conspiracy because we all agree to share our information. See the posts above about Microsoft's privacy agreement.

Also, there is no "camera." Don't you guys get it. Digital technology may obfuscate the need for cameras.

Lastly, read the posts again. No one is saying that the government or "they" (and "they" may very well be our neighbors, who spy on us all the time - more on that later) actively go spying on millions and millions of people worldwide. My argument has been that "they" are increasingly becoming able to spy on us whenever they choose to. It's not just TV's and microphones. It's internet cookies, credit card transactions, gps in cars, and the whole kit 'n kaboodle. It's not a bad thing. It is to be expected. "They" have been spying on "us" since the dawn of human civilization.

What, you think several Americans woke up one day and decided to arbitrarily accuse people in Salem Mass of being witches? No, "they" had been spying on these people for weeks and months, in all likelihood. You think McCarthy just guessed that some Americans were "Communists"? No, he used FBI information from agents that had been "spying" on folks for weeks and months. You think J Edgar Hoover became so powerful by being a good law enforcer? [Probably not. And he had his own quirks to boot!] But J Edgar Hoover was terrific at using the technology of his day and in using coercive measures to entice his agents to "spy" on many Americans - without justification.

Man, no one is saying that there is a camera in a 1995 television set. I have been saying that the next generation of digital tv, and light-emitting diode photo-electric technology could conceivably be reverse engineered to produce an image on a back end.

No one is saying that the Television station does this. I and others have been saying that other, potentially nefarious entities will do this.

Read the post above from the guy who received the Nielson ratings kit... That's what I'm talking about.

And I believe your tv repairman! But ask your TV repairman how the photo-electronics work in a light-emitting diode digital set. Does he have a PhD in Physics, electrical engineering, and computer programming? Ask him to check out whether the LED cannot register photons striking the screen. Ask him whether the speakers cannot transmit audio - especially now that broadband and AC current sockets are merging...

This is nothing to be afraid of. This is simply something to be aware of...
REBEL
I know it's not the right thread & a little off topic but i wanted to share that i brought one of these today. I got fed up with breaking (my occupational hazard) all my other ones like they've gone outta of fashion, err most of em do anyway but this one should take a beating & a half from me for years to come devil.gif


''BTW, no cameras...err i think.''

rofl.gif
lmbeharry
QUOTE (REBEL @ May 12 2008, 08:09 AM) *
I know it's not the right thread & a little off topic but i wanted to share that i brought one of these today. I got fed up with breaking (my occupational hazard) all my other ones like they've gone outta of fashion, err most of em do anyway but this one should take a beating & a half from me for years to come devil.gif


''BTW, no cameras...err i think.''

rofl.gif

Got GPS?

Wow - indestructible - just like the Marlboro Reds box... hehehehe
REBEL
QUOTE (lmbeharry @ May 12 2008, 04:43 PM) *
Got GPS?

Wow - indestructible - just like the Marlboro Reds box... hehehehe


lol! Yes, (still reading the book on it) it's also got Blue Tooth whatever the hell that means, everything you'll get outta say a mid range Nokia or Motorola, only one clitch...no cam but who cares! w00t.gif

747400
QUOTE (REBEL @ May 12 2008, 07:09 AM) *
I know it's not the right thread & a little off topic but i wanted to share that i brought one of these today. I got fed up with breaking (my occupational hazard) all my other ones like they've gone outta of fashion, err most of em do anyway but this one should take a beating & a half from me for years to come devil.gif


''BTW, no cameras...err i think.''

rofl.gif

Now I so totally want one of those. Military spec, encased in rubber, and yellow and black.
lmbeharry
QUOTE (REBEL @ May 12 2008, 08:20 AM) *
lol! Yes, (still reading the book on it) it's also got Blue Tooth whatever the hell that means, everything you'll get outta say a mid range Nokia or Motorola, only one clitch...no cam but who cares! w00t.gif

Speaking about cell phone cameras... Occupational hazard working in South Korea. I taught there for two years (in fact I'm trying to go back for a University posting). But it's really funny - I go running every day. In South Korea, people just snap off pictures of foreigners with their cell phones. Can't get away from it...
REBEL
QUOTE (747400 @ May 12 2008, 04:58 PM) *
Now I so totally want one of those. Military spec, encased in rubber, and yellow and black.

I got mine in all black 747400 but heres the indepth specs...

Check this out...lol!
REBEL
Actually here their official website to the phone... Sonim Technologies



flyingswan
QUOTE (REBEL @ May 12 2008, 07:20 AM) *
it's also got Blue Tooth whatever the hell that means

It means that everything you say is automatically sent straight to the NSA. TVs watch you, Blue Tooth listens to you.

If TVs watch you, your computer probably does as well, after all, the screens are the same technology. My advice to anyone who believes the OP is to stop using all computers now.
Bella-Angelique
Its ok. I will just unplug it when I plot to take over the world and plug it back in to read UM.
Bella-Angelique
QUOTE (REBEL @ May 12 2008, 03:35 AM) *
I got mine in all black 747400 but heres the indepth specs...

Check this out...lol!


These are nice. Cool stuff.

(Ok so since you were putting a plug in I had to also laugh.gif )
Moonie2012
Assuming I buy the "built-in, undetectable part of the circuitry" excuse - how would they do the same with an LCD/plasma screen? Last I checked, LCD screens aren't exactly two-way mirrors. There would need to be a camera, and someone would have found it by now.

Also, all the bandwidth required to monitor all those video feeds would be a huge, detectable deterrent.

It's all so illogical and paranoid.
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