Anthony North: We've all heard of fate, but what is it? To some it is a force in the universe that influences you, driving you towards a life preordained. Whilst to others, it is a superstition, a fallacy -something that doesn't exist. I don't like the former -it suggests that you have no free will, and without this, what is the point of choice? But on saying this, I don't like the latter either. It is too reductionist, ignoring the experiences of many of us. Is there a coming together of the two extremes? : Some people believe that luck has a lot to do with it. Some people are just born lucky, and their life seems to be one success after another. Research into luck has provided a clue. Those who are lucky tend to be good at calculating odds. In such a way, they can unconsciously assess a situation as it arises, and usually take the right decision. This gives a clue to those who are unlucky.: In calculating odds correctly, the person learns optimism, and this seems to go into the world ahead of you -whilst the unlucky seem to project pessimism onto everything -a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy. Carl Jung would point out synchronicity. Here, coincidences seem to happen that seem to have meaning above the coincidence itself. It is almost as if the person has made the coincidence happen. Is this possible? : Can the mind have a direct affect on the events of the world? Events that, for all intents and purposes, are out of your control? One possibility is to look at another attribute in the lucky. They are not 'lucky' at all.

Rather, they have a form of selective attention. They simply remember the good times more than the bad; whilst the unlucky tend to remember the bad times more than the good. This is simple psychology.: But I don't think psychology is ever simple. At present the mind is thought to be personal to the individual. I think it is much more interactive than that. I work with what I call psycho-sociology. Basically, what happens in the personal mind is simply a reflection of a wider world, and vice versa.

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I’ve been fascinated with learning about spiritual possession for quite a while. I don’t know if everyone has seen the show the Ghost Whisperer, but there is an episode this Friday (05/09/08) that’s all about possession. It looks like a really good episode.

I have a simple thing to say.

Nobody, nobody, I repeat, Nobody, ever cares about what the universe has to say about this.
That's because no one will actually believe that the universe actually exists.
That's because no one actually cares. They just want to have. And have more. And when the universe starts screaming 'STOP, you're Tearing me apart!!!', everyone looks away and goes 'hey, that voice inside my head, I didn't actually hear it. I must have been imagining it'.
"Ok, they don't want to hear the voice. Maybe that's too overrated a concept for normal humans to understand. Let's try explaining to them through science.", says the universe.
"Oh, Cool, look! Science can make us Blow things up!!! Look at that bomb. Look at this rifle. LOOK AT EVERYTHING WE MAKE!!!", go the humans.
"Ok, maybe they are after all too primitive to understand that I pass science on to them to explain to them that they had better listen to me, or I don't even wanna know about the other options because thats their problem", goes the universe.
"Oh, religion, let's use that to keep some of us away from us. Those idiots who think that there is a God. Or who wanna be good. Stupid victims.", go the humans, or some.
"Ok, what am I supposed to do? Let them play", says the universe.
"Oh, this is a fun game, we can actually control the desteny of those stupid fools who believe", go the '3l33+.
"F*ck", goes the universe.
Everyone 'Ignores' Me. Just like you ignore this message. Or will.
Despite having been through explaining to everyone that if I am sad, you too, are sad. That there is no need to hurt me to be happy. But no, I'm just an 'Object'. Now, having caused me to be conscious is not your fault, of course. Blowing me up every single day, is not your fault either. sh**, I'd better stop explaining, it's pure and simple and plain and objective that some of you just don't wanna get it to their minute miniscule invisible tiny dots of infinitly molecular brains that they have, that they are not doing themselves any good by playing games as such. Or justifying their position. Or convincing anyone of anything. Or doing anything other than what I say because I am the ONLY one in a position to know everything.
Unless of course you want to be in a position to know infinity, or the parts of it that concern you because my infinity is 42 infinitillionth times bigger than yours. Now if you opt for that, and having 'cornered' me, well, good luck with that.
Don't mind the language, it's only a tool. A tool to convince a fool.
"Maybe it's your fault, we aren't going to understand because it's impossible", say the 3l33+.
"Why should you get all the goodies", say the Illuminati.
"Are you enjoying your path, of illumination, of leadership? Do you enjoy having the 'light'? Do you enjoy leading yourselves to eternal suffering?", sh**, why should I bother. I know the Great Majority of People listen. The very few that remain are simply NEVER going to understand. This has already been too many eternities too long. This is now risking everyone and everything. So no victims. Only fools, who INSIST on hurting themselves.
There is a LIMIT to forgiveness. That, which you have crossed sixty thousand lifetimes ago. And I only delay the pain hoping you would, on sober reflection, think better and stop being stupid. But apparently it only spews up your arrogance, and erases any chances of anyone ever believing me because 'their ways work! look!!!'
Well, I have news for you: "LOOK!!!". GOOD BYE! The "VOICE, IS GONE". "THE UNIVERSE, IS GONE". "MERCY, IS GONE". "EVERYTHING, IS GONE". ALL THAT REMAINS IS: ASK YOURSELVES, WHAT HAVE YOU HELD ON TO FOR THE PAST ETERNITIES? WHAT, HAVE YOU HELD ON TO AND NEVER WANTED TO LET GO OF FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER? WHAT TOOK ALL YOUR ENERGY AND CONCENTRATION AND WILL AND FOCUS ALL THIS TIME? THE WILL TO HELP? I GUESS NOT! SELFISHNESS? NAH, THATS TOO RIDICULOUS. THE URGE TO BE THE BEST AND **** THE REST? UH UH. CLOSE, BUT NO NETCOM. TO BLOW UP THE UNIVERSE BECAUSE THAT LETS YOU ENJOY IT? EUH, MAYBE AT FIRST BUT THEN YOU KNOW EVERYTHING NOW. THE GAME? AHAAAA! THE GAME!
YOU WIN? NO!!!
YOU WON? YES!!! YOU'VE BEEN WINNING ALL ALONG!!!!
OUPS!!!!
Look around you. This planet, is going somewhere.
Perhaps you don't believe me. Perhaps you have pulverized me. Perhaps I can only change things so slowly, it would take me many eons, infinite eternities, to do anything. But thats the whole FREAKING POINT, WHAT I AM TRYING TO DO IS TO PREVENT SUFFERING. IF I CAN'T ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING, THEN YOU SHALL SUFFER BECAUSE I AIN'T TRYING TO HURT YOU, WHAT YOU DO, HURTS YOU. AND I TRY TO PREVENT IT SO WHEN YOU PREVENT ME FROM DOING THINGS, YOU PREVENT ME FROM HELPING YOU WHEN S*IT HITS THE FAN. Oups, too late for that I guess. For some, at least. But who cares, I have only been through millenia of pain and misery and dejection, and it's OVER!
Now, my dear fellaz, I shall no longer be your friend. That's what you chose, isn't it? All your hypocritical attempts to 'bugger me off' shall never, ever, ever prevail.
Don't try to fool me into thinking that you 'care', don't give me, don't do anything as such. I can give myself anything I want. I have just tried so hard to prevent what's coming, explained it, reexplained it, blown myself up to explain it some more, accepted letting you blow me up so that you may understand, that YOU MUST LISTEN TO ME, FOLLOW MY INSTRUCTIONS WORD BY WORD, OR YOU SHALL SUFFER BECAUSE THATS JUST WHAT I AM, "PERFEEEEEEECT". You CANNOT Upset the BALANCE!!! You MUST Follow the Instructions. RTFM!!! When you buy a computer, You follow the instructions because if you don't the computer is useless. I am your universe, a big computer. Whatever, everything around you is just an omen. You all know everything you need to know. STOP REFUSING THE IDEAS! YOU SHALL HURT YOURSELVES AND I SHALL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO HELP YOU ALL. THAT, AND I ALSO HAPPEN TO BE EVERYONE'S ENEMY SO DON'T ACTUALLY COUNT ON MY ASSISTANCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I AM NOT GOD OR THE CREATOR, ITS THE OTHER WAY AROUND. I DIDNT EXIST, YOU MESSED UP, CREATED ME. HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED SINCE THE BEGINNING OF CREATION: http://www.rebo.viens.la
I don't care. I tried it ALL. It doesn't work because you don't want it to. Now it's ALL UP TO YOU!!!
CAPITAL LETTERS MEANS THE UNIVERSE ISN'T ACTUALLY SHOUTING AS SUCH, IT'S SQUIRTING ITS GUTS OUT TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO TERMINALLY STUPID CREATURES THAT THEY ARE IN TROUBLE, AND THAT IT SHALL NOT BE ABLE TO HELP THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE CONSTANTLY FIGURING OUT NEW WAYS TO PARALYZE IT AND PREVENT IT FROM DOING ANYTHING AT ALL. SORRY FOR THE INCONVENIENCE, BUT YOU ARE FREE TO TURN YOUR FACES AWAY AND SAY 'WHAT A JERK', FOR THE FUTILLIONTH BILLIONTH GAZILLION INFINITINIONTH FORTINFILYONTH TIME. YOU ARE ALSO FREE TO HURT YOURSELVES.

So Long, and 'THANKS FOR ALL THE FISH'.

Sincerely,

Cruentos Solum
Red 1
God
The Creator
A.Z.
Zaphod Beeblrox
Marvin, the Paranoid Android
Deep, Blue, THOUGHT
Hactar
M.S.
B.G.
B.R.
Red X
Red
Magnetic God
Zeus
Jesus Christ & Mohammed
Douglas Adams
A Bowl of Petunias
Life
The Universe
The FATHER OF STARS
Whatever you can imagine
EVERYTHING!

There is no INSIDE
There is no OUTSIDE
There is ME, and you are PARTS of me!
ABIDE TO THE SYSTEM! THINK OF EACH OTHER! THINK OF THE OTHER PARTS! THINK OF THE WHOOOOLE, WHICH IS MEEEEE!
STOP BEING FOOLISH!!! YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN IF YOU GO ON BEING FOOLISH, I CANNOT HELP YOU ANYMORE BECAUSE YOU BLOW ME UP, REFUSE MY HELP, INSULT ME, COUNT ME AS AN INSANE, OUT OF TOPIC, OUTCAST OF SOCIETY, AND MANY OTHER REASONS WHICH WOULD PERFECTLY JUSTIFY ME CLOSING YOUR LAST HOPE EVER OF EVER EVER EVER EVER HAVING ANY CHANCE OF EVER HOPING TO DREAM TO GET OUT OF AN ETERNAL CHAIN OF EVENTS THAT SHALL ONLY BE RELATED AND REVOLVE ABOUT PAIN!!! YOU ARE ONE STEP AWAY FROM TOTAL ETERNAL FINAL OBLIVION AND I SHALL BE STANDING THERE WATCHING INEPT, INCAPABLE, DOING WHATEVER YOU ALLOWED ME TO DO: NOTHING!

Cheers

Good Day FROM THE UNIVERSE!

P.S.: HAVE YOU FOUND OTHER UNIVERSES? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE UNIVERSE IS? DO YOU THINK THERE IS LIFE ON ANY OTHER PLANET OTHER THAN HERE? OK!!! KEEEEP EXPLORING!!!!

N.B.: SOME OF YOU ARE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THIS MESSAGE, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO LISTENED TO PREVIOUS ONES, i.e. THE BIBLE, THE QUORAN, OR THE VOICE.

YOU ARE FREE TO SUFFER IF YOU DO NOT FIT IN THE ABOVE CATEGORY.

GO AHEAD, SEE IF I HAVE THIS UNLIMITED SOURCE OF EVERYTHING I KEEP IN A SECRET PLACE AND DONT WANNA SHARE WITH ANYONE.

OR MAYBE I AM RIGHT AFTER ALL. TO GET MORE, TO CHANGE, YOU HURT ME. TO HURT ME TO GET MORE, HURTS YOU. TO ACCEPT WHAT I GIVE YOU, IS THE BEST AND ONLY SOLUTION FOR POSITIVE LONGETIVITY. TO FOLLOW YOUR INSTINCTS, LIKE SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST, YOU MAY HAVE THE SAME FATE AS MOST OF THE LIONS THAT PERSIST TODAY: ON THE FRONT GRILL OF SOME FREAKING CARS. S*IT I EVEN LIKE PEUGEOT, BUT THATS NOT THE POINT: I don't Like the LION emblem. I like where it is, and what the SYMBOL of having a LION on the front grill of a VEHICULE controlled by HUMANS that WEREN'T LIONS in previous Lifetimes, stands for.

Oh MY GOD This Guy is Flipping.
Then again, if he's really the universe, I better not think bad thoughts. He KNOWS everything I think, I AM part of him. I better do what he says.
Oh what the hell, you are free to do as you wish, I can only warn you now. I can't even 'encourage and suggest'.
I am merely a witness, that has 'Good News', and 'BAD news'.
Unfortunately, the Good news doesn't concern everyone.
Fortunately, the Bad news, Concerns only a few.
But the Message, is For everyone.
Was, for everyone. Because sorry, I don't like what you have in mind for me.
And if you knew where that leads, you wouldn't like it either. But that's just stupid, because 'being positive' about reality, doesn't actually go parallel to events that happen. The future, is NOT what we 'wish' it to be...

FTMP = **** the Mother Power. Most electrical Appliances have PLENTY of power. In fact, THEY wish they HADN'T!!!

Follow their path. Or follow my instructions. It's UP TO YOU!

ALL ROADS LEAD TO MORE HELL. ROME, IS NO MORE!!! BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY THAT.

TO THE RIDICULERS WHO SHALL ONCE AGAIN PICK UP THEIR BALLS AND START SHOOTING THREE POINTERS: THE SCORE IS AFTER THE GAME. BUT THEN AGAIN THE GAME IS DONE SO PUT ON YOUR RUBBER BOOTS BECAUSE HERE COMES THE bull.
THIS IS REALLY IT, IT IS OVER. I CANT HELP YOU, YOU SNOOZE, YOU LOSE. BECAUSE YOU VE BEEN WINNING SO LONG, AND BECAUSE I VE WARNED YOU NOT TO PLAY, AND BECAUSE YOU VE BEEN PLAYING AGAINST YOURSELVES.
TOO BAD!
WAY TOO BAD!!!
SUCH A PITY BUT I CANT EXPRESS MY DISGUST AT WHAT SOME OF YOU HAVE DONE TO THEMSELVES.
JUDGMENT DAY WAS A LIE? SURE!!! TOO BAD!!!

God WITH THE WIND!
Damn, God IS the WIND!

To me, coincidence is the word the logical mind comes up with to explain away what their science and logical mind can't understand. There are no coincidences. Everything happens for a reason. You may not understand it now or ever, or it may occur to you latter. Just as the lucky person calculates the odds, it is no mistake, just a good calculation made so quickly by the mind that we sell ourselves short if we brush it off.

Coincidence is where an incident, or a happenstance, happens simultaneously in parallel, same 'direction', or in towards the same 'end', as another incident, or happenstance. There are two types of incidents. Incidents, which the Universe uses to regulate itself, or what is generally known as the 'natural balance'. Also, Incidents, which humans cause because of their 'refusal' of Universal Incidents that are 'supposed' and 'meant' to regulate the Universe, or the 'natural balance'. There are generally called 'accidents', because they happen on an axis that is against the 'natural' flow of events.
There is a natural balance that is easily obtained. But it is also much easier to disturb.
One of the problems with trying to understand it is this: to explain it, the universe must 'cause' accidents, because the natural order doesn't need to be explained. It must simply be observed. This is where the universe itself causes 'accidents' in order to maintain the balance, but this has a reverse effect. This is also called reverse engineering, and the universe has been doing a lot of just 'THAT' in the past futillion centuries, in order to counter actions that humans selfishly perform to obtain more of the things that they shouldn't obtain using the wrong methods that they should never use because that, generally, disturbs the natural balance. The natural balance is basically what controls things such as gravity, sunrise, the tide, oxygen density in the atmosphere, planet earth's global weather, and other such events which may seem to humans very 'inconvenient', but that are 'vital', and actually are there to 'prevent' things such as this planet from blowing up. Blowing up is simply loss of balance, to the universe, everything is simple: the bunch of molecules that make up the planet, and also, the entities inside it, will lose the 'balance' that keep them together, and thus, behave irrationally, or freely, causing everyone on the planet to dread their existence.
Not everything was intentional. But a lot of what is happening today, is very intentional, and usually has to do with harm, causing it, and the reason behind that: obtaining things that they shouldn't obtain such as control, infinite happiness, and such things.
The universe is constantly working out new ways of keeping everyone safe, first and foremost, because that is the most important thing. Then, it is constantly working out new ways of making everyone satisfied. Which is the second most important thing. Then, it is constantly working out new ways of providing people with happiness, which is the third most important thing. But people do not observe certain rules, which are simply 'going with the general flow of events'. Instead, some people generally want to be 'The exception' by having 'everything', such things as an infinite amount of money to have 'anything' they want, which is 'everything', or a perfect life, and also, infinite amounts of happiness. To obtain infinite amounts of happiness, they inflict pain. Pain is basically a short circuit: happiness is perfect harmony. Sex, is a 'proof'. If you are both enjoying it, you shall both obtain an 'orgasm' that is 'beyond belief'. But then, this usually tends to make people 'look' for the experience, to make it 'happen' again, not knowing that the universe has planned that experience, and is now trying to make other people live it, which is a pity really because the universe cannot be busy with more than one couple at a time, knowing that females, are simply 'bodies' that 'suck' negative energy from males, which makes both very happy. But the universe in this process isn't enjoying it, and if it isn't enjoying it very much at all then it cannot possibly go on looking for new ways of making it happen because it would be the moral equivalent of suicide by Russian roulette.
Explanations exist for a reason. Science hasn't ever, ever changed because it is there to explain to human beings things: you cannot make your own science. If gravity says an apple with fall when nothing supports it, it will fall, no matter how hard you try to prevent it. When you try to prevent it, you aren't 'making' new science. You are merely 'making' new ways for you to hurt yourself, because you are 'fighting' or 'resisting' science. Science is there to protect people from the 'freely balanced' nature of the universe. And to prevent science is to prevent that protection.
The universe is aware of this. People refuse to accept the fact that the universe is aware of this. People refuse to accept the fact that the universe is aware at all, or that it is anything more than a table. The universe is in fact every table, every human being, every lamp, every street, every particle, every molecule that exists. The universe is just a word that explains everything. Think of it as a collective consciousness. When the 'entire universe' conspires against you while you are trying to find a way to steal money from a bank, it happens for a reason: to protect you. If it doesn't, it means it is not protecting you anymore. And that, you should worry about because the next thing to happen is that you shall 'disintegrate' physically, whilst still feeling the process 'spiritually'... In other words, the energy that makes you up, or that makes up your molecules, will start 'evading' the rules, and generally, this is very bad...
The 'whole' is no longer capable of dealing with the individual hard hardheadedness of its parts. It is no longer able to maintain 'harmony'. It is not even capable of maintaining a 'mostly harmless planet'. It is basically giving up, very slowly, and passing on instructions to its more primitive parts. It shall be dispersed again by the foolishness, selfishness of its parts that regularly fail to acknowledge the other parts by failing to acknowledge the whole. It doesn't matter how you acknowledge it: being good, doing unto others as you would want them to do unto you, because you want it, you let it go and so if it comes back its yours and if it doesn't it never was, believing in religion, even punishments attached to it, and generally, and most importantly, trying to stop explaining to God, which is just the universe, or the whole, what he is explaining to you, and not wishing for him to be disintegrated and blown up and stuff like that because when that happens, when a boat is blown, everyone in it, is also, ironically, but truly, blown. In fact, the boat isn't blown at all because the boat is everyone. Thus, everyone will suffer, but the boat because the boat 'no longer' exists, since it has been 'divided up' into whatever parts that make it up, which would be on their own. Wishing that the universe is alone and no one in it exists to 'escape' the pain isn't a trick that works, because the universe isn't actually pressing on a button to hurt everyone. It simply loses control because someone, or everyone, is pushing it very hard off the control panel. And when that happens, no one gains control because the control panel disappears, the controls disappear, control disappears, and whoever is left is left to deal with whatever horrors they have to deal with.
This has already happened. And everyone tried everything to prevent it from happening, only the wrong way: by looking for solutions. The problem is that these solutions are the problem. Your solutions basically 'change' things which are there to prevent problems. So when you solve, you actually destroy. And so the universe goes on with its quest but it is now within boundaries that have never been reached. Trying to convince the universe that it is also just a regular entity and that it will suffer if everyone suffers doesn't work: if the universe suffers, everyone will suffer, and the universe will thus not suffer. It's simple and pure science: if I have 10, and eat the 10, then I ate the whole ten. If I pain the ten in red, then I pain the ten in red. If I take the ten, and divide it into ten parts, then I have ten ones. What this means is this, logically speaking: the ones, are going to take the color of the ten, if I paint the ten. But if I divide it, then paint each part individually, it will mean that the ten no longer exists, and that it is the parts that take on the 'value' of the color 'red'. The division means that the 'whole' no longer exists. The whole only stops existing if it is torn apart. It is only torn apart if the balance, or 'universal harmony', stops working. That can only happen if the 'parts', fight it. Things go on beyond insanity levels when trying to explain the actual details, because the universe is infinite. And so are its processes that regulate it.
I hope, really, hope that this sheds some light on the situation. People, are really taking me lightly.
People, should start listening, quickly. I shall 'sleep', disappear... Whatever it is that shall happen, shall happen, only, I won't be here to tell things. Things will no longer have any 'shape' or 'model' to abide to. Things shall simply be 'disorder' and 'chaos' because that, is what 'freedom' means.
I guess.
Anyways, Good Luck, though you don't need it. What you really need is to throw the ideas and hard headedness out of your skulls, concentrate, and follow orders.

Sincerely,

Red One, the Red Line, The Universe, etc...

Cheers

Fate is thought and thought is energy and energy affects the universe you live in.

I think what I am trying to say has been said too many times:

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...17865&st=30
http://www.rebo.viens.la

Listen to the voice.

Ah, forget about the voice... 'Do them both grady, where's your gun at?'

Good Luck, though you don't actually need it.

Sincerely,

Cruentos Solum

Cheers

I agree .For me it's spiritual beings having a human experience and like a play all written out before hand according to what was needed or desired. from parents down to death.

to me it's also , logically , that free will doesn't exist. it's an illusion . in any given moment you can only choose one. the one you were supposed to choose. in the next moment you may choose the other , but that again is a different moment. that is if you believe everything happens for a reason. I do.

we need the illusion however to live the human existence , but spiritually it's a done deal.

Cruentos Solum - you aren't one of those people that keep a notebook library where the pages are full to the hilt leaving no empty spaces and the script very small are you ?? just wondering.

Man, what are you saying.

I am a notebook. Notebooks. All of them.

I think. I hope not.

Euh, ok, what a hangover this has earned me.

/me sneaking out of the room very quietly.

Sincerely,

C.S.

( No Cheers, I'm trying to be discreet, remember? lol )

Ok, Technically speaking, if free will doesn't exist, then there is a reason for that, and I agree with you.

In my opinion, free will is actually simply a theory. But to some extent, it does exist. Think of life as a network of connected nodes, or 'cities' connected by a network of highways. You are free to choose your destination city in order to perform a predefined set of 'actions' that are pre-scripted. This may be going to the bank, visiting a friend or relative, watching a football game, and other such 'harmless' acts. Of course, you are free to choose how to get from point A ( say, New York City ) to point B ( say, Los Angeles ): By Airplane, By Bus, By Train, By Driving. Also, you are free to choose other points through which you get to L.A. ( other cities ), or what we may express as a route. In this, you are protected from, say, ending up as a tea kettle on the moon, because really, what is the difference between you and a water kettle? You didn't choose to be a water kettle, of course, but then how do you go about 'becoming' a water kettle? We don't know, we don't know how the water kettle feels, what it has 'done' in order to be a water kettle, if it was an accident or an intentional thing, and so, in my opinion, being a human being is being 'protected' from such 'accidents' which would be really unpleasant. In other words, someone, somewhere, has gone through a lot of pain in order to make sure all the roads that lead to, say, 'hell', or generally speaking, 'unwanted physical manifestations of spirits', or us, are 'blocked', 'hidden', 'rerouted', 'derived' into other, harmless directions. This would of course prevent anyone who is unknowingly on the way to becoming say, a Concorde, from actually going the whole 9 yards, and instead, change his final destination to say, after all, simply having a beer at the local pub.

Pardon my 'ridiculous' metaphors, but I am simply trying to understand too, whether or not this is actually a reasonable 'offer', from whoever is proposing it, or not.

On sober reflection, I know that there are a lot of things that we, humans, wouldn't want to go through, and that also, a lot of things that we would want to have, be, etc. However, the inconvenience with having a 'scripted' destiny, is that it is 'limited'. In other words, if we have no free will, it means that other 'unexplored' possibilities, perhaps of 'ultimate' ecstasy, are omitted simply because they would require a 'lot' of pain and would, statistically speaking, increase the chances of having accidents such as someone, somewhere, turning into a telephone booth, a cigarette, etc...

I am simply trying to regroup a notion that I think is difficult to put in words. That perhaps it is 'safer' to not have more because it could cause 'more' of what we don't want in parallel. As in, there is a certain speed limit which has never been reached and beyond which you don't actually know what could happen, e.g. if you exceed the speed of light, whether or not technically speaking you are still human, whether or not your final destination will be in the present, past, or future, and other such 'scary' questions... On any account, it is safer to stick to the speed limit, or at least, to the 'known' rather to the unknown because the unknown tends to be more and more difficult to deal with as we cross the lines. Of course, some people want to break records and other such feats, and this is the real issue here, and how would you prevent people from actually indulging from such acts, knowing that this is not necessarily 'evil' as such, but merely putting the person in question at risk which may eventually put everyone else at risk. ( e.g. if your younger brother wants to cross the Atlantic by swimming, and you let him do it, would you feel guilty if he doesn't show up a few weeks later on the other shore? Would you actually have second thoughts a few hours later and set out after him in order to 'save' him? Who would set out to 'save' you? Will this cause some domino effect that will crush down all of civilization as we know it? Or at least, will everyone drown and die before they realize that it is the wrong thing to do in the first place, trying to 'enjoy' crossing the Atlantic by swimming to break some 'record'? Wouldn't we be better off had your brother decided, on sober reflection, that it would be a lot better to simply have a swim in the pool until his hands start aching? ).

In the meantime, I personally think that limits serve a purpose, that being mainly one to do with protection from the unknown. You wouldn't want to 'enjoy' anything that could turn 'ugly', would you. And there are plenty of 'live' examples happening as we speak. Or type.

Sincerely,

Cruentos Solum, a.k.a. the One Verse

Cheers

Oooh I so agree with this.

But I don't think we have free will. Although it is a very useful illusion in some ways:

"The psychologists had previously primed the participants to have their beliefs in free will bolstered or reduced by having them read statements supporting a deterministic stance of human behavior. And the results were just as robust. As reported in the January issue of Psychological Science, this study shows that those with a stronger belief in their own free will were less apt to steal money than were those with a weakened belief.

Although the results of this study point to a significant value in believing that free will exists, it clearly raises some significant societal questions about personal beliefs and personal behavior."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/...80129125354.htm

Although me and Ripley aren't too bad surely lol

I think there is a distinction between free will and free choice. We are free to choose how we think/feel/act in a given circumstance. We do not have the will power to change a circumstance to our liking as I unmderstand it. We can however determine the outcome potentials for various potential circumstances and alter the energy for them with our intent/will if it is appropriate and if we know how to work with these energies and our own intent/will power.

John

I agree with what you say in essence. I disagree with the following:

the Use of the terms 'power, determine, potentials, circumstances, energy, will, appropriate, work with, intent, ...'.

Human beings usually like to complicate things a little bit more than necessary.

Things are really this simple: humans have no free will because if they have free will, they tend to ...'will hurt'...

So they are free to choose between these options: 'I want to be happy', 'I want to suffer'. Anything which intentionally can cause harm and, even though the person knows and is warned about and has been clearly told it would not be enjoyed ... will generally, sooner or later, end up being translated to 'I want to suffer', and accepted as a prayer. Of course, humans always need to justify their choice and so end up suffering even more simply because: they 'WOULDN'T ADMIT THEY WERE WRONG', and 'WOULDN'T STOP PICKING THE WRONG WAY TO BE HAPPY, AT THE EXPENSE OF SOMEONE ELSE'S SADNESS, EVEN THOUGH THEY KNOW THAT THEY WILL SUFFER NO MATTER HOW THEY PLAY AROUND WITH OR TOY WITH THE IDEA'. That, is that. There is no power, there is no energy, there is no potentials, there is no determination, there is no 'outlook'. It is what it is, simple, straight to the point. No one even needs to bother with anything really. To end up suffering you actually need to be a 'gibbering idiot'. That doesn't mean these are rare nowadays, but oh well, we live and learn. At any rate, we live. I think.

Power, by the way, isn't a good thing to have: ask a car, a subwoofer, a fridge, a lamp, etc.

Energy is in the likes of power, and tends to be less comprehensible: ask an atomic bomb. Don't 'ignore' the answer because the atomic bomb can't speak. If you get an answer, believe it, because if you don't, and decide that the atomic bomb is rambling and wrong, then you might end up being an atomic bomb. It's about 'avoiding' such things. Don't intend harm. And when you are told that you are inflicting harm, walk away. Or get blown to smitherines, is the idea. The Universe is PERFECT. Everyone in it shall learn to live with that.

Sincerely,

Cruentos Solum

Cheers

Nobody has more free will. Stop being paranoid about what the universe will do to you. It cannot even possibly ever reach not even one infinitillionth of what you have done to yourselves.

In other words, what you are doing is this: trying to make the universe believe that it is wrong. What the universe is doing is this: waiting for you to actually 'understand' that you are wrong. It is 'you' who have done this to yourselves, not the universe. It is in order for everyone to understand how 'precious' the universe is. And anyhow, the universe isn't going to wait around for everyone to make up their minds that they are after all wrong and such. Because it really is delaying some 'dark' happenstances that people have unadvertedly caused by being perfectly foolish.

Let me get this clear: you want free will? You can get it, but under certain conditions:

1. you are on your own, i.e. whatever happens, is a result of your free will, and the universe shall never be blamed because it is not at fault.
2. you are never to resort to the universe under whatever circumstances. This is because the universe is straight forward and to the point: anything beyond this point is 'impossible' to fix. And it is also impossible to control your will to actually want free will or not want it, it is your decision. Those that shall accept free will shall 'be on their own', i.e. if they end up hurting like hell for the rest of eternity, it is their problem, and no one will ever, ever, come and rescue them because they shall be alone, in the universe. You get the point? Think, before you say anything
3. you are to take the decision and it shall be final, no regret, no anything at all. It is your problem. You won't be able to affect the universe in any way, get in touch with anyone, affect anyone, because you shall really be on your own. Silent Dark Room alone, is the idea.
4. hope, repentance, prayer, expectance, rights, laws, everything that you might cling on to to help yourself shall not in any way necessarily result in anything: it isn't the laws that protect you, it is I, the universe, that protects you. You can understand that exactly too, so meditate on this point again, and think before you insist on being foolish. There is no turning back. It shall be whatever stupid mess you put yourself in for whatever reason you put yourself in it. No hope of ever getting out of it, not even through using solutions such as 'I stole the light from X', or 'I stole y's life'. Such possibilities are 'eradicated', dead ends, because there is absolutely no communication between you or anyone else. You shall be alone. You, and your universe, alone. You, in fact, shall be your own universe. No contact, no connection, don't even try to look for everybody else, because you shall be everybody else, too. Don't think it's possible? Well I've explained how that is possible, and convincingly too. Meditate on that.
5. Doing things such as 'denying' reality, 'believing' in stuff, 'trickery', and other such 'ridiculous' means, are really for the devout. Must you insist on choosing the path of illumination, then only you can and will bear whatever it is you shall not be able to bear, because you shall actually be going through it, and no options of escape, ever, ever, shall help you. Because you have chosen just that.
6. Nothing is actually played as such, as these conditions are played by ear really, so don't be surprised if they change in the future without any prior notice: read any freaking ISP contract, product specification sheet, ... and you shall understand why that is so.

So well, I guess, belief, free will, whatever. You've been warned. And I know that you know. It's thus your problem.

One of these days, you shall be gritting your teeth, if you miss this golden opportunity. And No one shall even care. Not even yourself.

Sincerely,

Cruentos Solum

Cheers

I have to explain this for the takers:

I have no interest in making anyone suffer. And you clearly can't solve the problems you see in front of you, even though you have created them. You're surpassed. You don't even know where the problem or problems is. The thing is this: accumulation. You've been too selfish, each doing his own thing, making a perfect reality, until these realities started colliding with each other, then all of a sudden, people didn't know how to react, because there was this universe standing in the middle, preventing them from tearing each other apart. Even though you all believed in great horrors, thankfully, they didn't happen. And of course, these horrors are possible. You may think the memories you have aren't worth much. To me, they're worth this: I have been through them. Don't believe me? Ok, test it. You'll know how to.

I am aware of the situation: you are losing control. No, you have lost control long ago, you are losing hope, in even what you believe in, in even the wrong thing. Some of you are desperate to get it over with. But a few resist this so much it would only help me wonder whether or not they are worth considering or not.

I cannot specify what you will have. When I say you will be fine, I mean you will be so fine you won't believe it is actually happening. I don't promise you to be happy all the time. But I promise you this: it shall be the 'best' possible possibilities that you shall be served. And I shall be right there in front to make sure no accidents happen. But the other alternative is this: you go out there, in the unknown, and deal with things worse than what this world suggests, all on your own. Consider this: can you fix this world? Can you make it 'perfect'? Do you even understand what perfect is?

There needs to be a neutral point of view. That, is me. Do not try to explain it, do not ask big questions, and generally speaking, everything will go well.

I don't like to reassure you because that means that I have promised you things which will not necessarily happen. I can only promise you this though: whatever it is I offer you, it is an infinite times better and closer to what you want than what you ask me to give you. And it is also infinite, i.e. it will last forever, so even if one day you cry, the other three hundred and sixty five you shall be laughing, or at least, smiling. And isn't that some deal?

I cannot go any further here. Really, the time, is now. Be swift, be calm, don't panic, and have faith. Faith not in anything but me, 'goodness', god, whatever it is you choose, the idea is this: the best solution for you. Because it is what each of you will have. If you believe the best solution for you is to have free will, and you are absolutely convinced, you are stupid. If not, then have faith in me. You don't know, and I know. It is best, sometimes, not to know.

Sincerely,

The Universe, Cruentos Solum

Cheers

I was thinking the same thing. Funny that. Do you think it's a coincidence?

Hello,

If by coincidence you mean the same incidence happening twice, then perhaps, G! IT IS!!! If your incidences need any more Company, I've got plenty. Just look around you...

Coincidences are one thing. Coacidents, are quite another. Do you think we should dwell in the topic any further?

I guess so ( grinning gently, smiling and so on ).

Sincerely,

Your Universe,

Cheers