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psyche101
QUOTE (Agent. Mulder @ Jun 13 2008, 01:34 PM) *
agreed. especially in black freezing cold water.
unless theres an elephant were not yet aware of? doubt it


Elephants are accomplished swimmers.


One more time (everybody now to the tune of When The Saints Go Marching In...,.)

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Neil Clark
Palaeontologist
Dr Clark said most sightings of Nessie could be explained by floating logs or waves.

But he is promoting the elephant theory because his research showed circuses were a common occurrence in the area, particularly from the early 1930s.

"The circuses used to take the road up to Inverness and allow their animals to have a rest, swim about in the loch and refresh themselves," he said.
Agent. Mulder
QUOTE (psyche101 @ Jun 13 2008, 04:05 AM) *
Elephants are accomplished swimmers.


One more time (everybody now to the tune of When The Saints Go Marching In...,.)


oh no no no no no. i wasnt talking about that, i know they can swim quite well. i was just talking about the Bloody Cold water theyd be in. thats what i dont believe possible.
psyche101
QUOTE (Agent. Mulder @ Jun 13 2008, 02:07 PM) *
oh no no no no no. i wasnt talking about that, i know they can swim quite well. i was just talking about the Bloody Cold water theyd be in. thats what i dont believe possible.



ROFL, can't help myself can I. I see a Mulder post and must reply! How are you buddy?

This line confirms that actually used to happen?

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"The circuses used to take the road up to Inverness and allow their animals to have a rest, swim about in the loch and refresh themselves," he said.
Agent. Mulder
QUOTE (psyche101 @ Jun 13 2008, 04:11 AM) *
ROFL, can't help myself can I. I see a Mulder post and must reply! How are you buddy?

This line confirms that actually used to happen?


wait.....they seriously did? lol
Slave2Fate
I can see the plausibility of a Nessie sighting being an elephant. I'm pretty sure that an elephant wouldn't be able to survive the conditions at Loch Ness. Surely the circus would have reacquired their wayward pachyderms.

So, in conclusion, I guess I'm just stating whats already been said. grin2.gif
psyche101
QUOTE (Slave2Fate @ Jun 13 2008, 02:23 PM) *
I can see the plausibility of a Nessie sighting being an elephant. I'm pretty sure that an elephant wouldn't be able to survive the conditions at Loch Ness. Surely the circus would have reacquired their wayward pachyderms.

So, in conclusion, I guess I'm just stating whats already been said. grin2.gif


I see a little confusion here, the elephants theory is not supposed to be todays nessie, or even all of them. Just a spate between the 30's and 40's that sparked the legend with gusto.
It was just a stopover and a refreshing swim, in the twilight, witnessing an elephant coming out of the Loch would certainly be a bizzare experience for a local.
Slave2Fate
Yes, I understand that it may have only been 1 sighting a long time ago, I should have included that in my previous post. grin2.gif
Katherine of Aragon
I have heard that this theory has gained quite a lot of popularity recently, but I cannot see much merit in it myself. Certainly, there may have been travelling circuses in the area, and they may have let their animals in the Loch - but I find this rather unlikely. For one, the Loch is considerably large enough that it would be quite dangerous to let animals (whatever their own size) roam freely. Secondly, the circuses themselves would have been fairly large; and therefore also visible to the locals.

To my mind, it seems that this whole theory stems solely from the fact that certain descriptions of Nessie match pictures of elephants swimming in foreign climes; that is, an entire theory is based on nothing more than a coincidence.

Furthermore, contrary to popular belief, the elephantine accounts are quite rare - with most eyewitnesses commenting more on the undulating humps. Such early accounts, which often also relate rolling and plunging in the Loch, interest me far more than the sensationalised plesiosaur accounts. As I have indicated in other threads, I am dubious that there is still a Nessie extant in Loch Ness, but do believe it possible that a rogue sea-going creature (possibly of the cadborosaurus type) could have entered the area in its infancy, and become trapped. The possibility of such a rogue creature, I would hold, is actually more likely than a gambolling circus elephant fooling the world! laugh.gif
Callum-Da-Grouch
QUOTE (Katherine of Aragon @ Jun 13 2008, 02:27 PM) *
I have heard that this theory has gained quite a lot of popularity recently, but I cannot see much merit in it myself. Certainly, there may have been travelling circuses in the area, and they may have let their animals in the Loch - but I find this rather unlikely. For one, the Loch is considerably large enough that it would be quite dangerous to let animals (whatever their own size) roam freely. Secondly, the circuses themselves would have been fairly large; and therefore also visible to the locals.

To my mind, it seems that this whole theory stems solely from the fact that certain descriptions of Nessie match pictures of elephants swimming in foreign climes; that is, an entire theory is based on nothing more than a coincidence.

Furthermore, contrary to popular belief, the elephantine accounts are quite rare - with most eyewitnesses commenting more on the undulating humps. Such early accounts, which often also relate rolling and plunging in the Loch, interest me far more than the sensationalised plesiosaur accounts. As I have indicated in other threads, I am dubious that there is still a Nessie extant in Loch Ness, but do believe it possible that a rogue sea-going creature (possibly of the cadborosaurus type) could have entered the area in its infancy, and become trapped. The possibility of such a rogue creature, I would hold, is actually more likely than a gambolling circus elephant fooling the world! laugh.gif


Ur probably right, Nessie probably died a long time ago!!!
Katherine of Aragon
QUOTE (Callum-Da-Grouch @ Jun 17 2008, 04:46 PM) *
Ur probably right, Nessie probably died a long time ago!!!


Thank you, Callum-Da-Grouch. Moreover, I think that the chances of another rogue creature ever entering the Loch are highly unlikely, due to the more complex locks and reservoirs which have come to litter the River Ness in recent years. As such, I doubt that there will ever again be credible sightings of creatures similar to that seen in the early half of the last century. Simply put, if a rogue was there, it has since died, and others will be unable to find their way in so easily. original.gif
Agent. Mulder
QUOTE (Callum-Da-Grouch @ Jun 17 2008, 03:46 PM) *
Ur probably right, Nessie probably died a long time ago!!!


so for some reason it couldnt reproduce?
someoldguy
huh.gif

This is the longer thread, but there was another one started here earlier:

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...howtopic=128375



Katherine of Aragon
QUOTE (Agent. Mulder @ Jun 18 2008, 03:58 AM) *
so for some reason it couldnt reproduce?


Well, if the theory that Nessie was a rogue creature has any merit, then there would be no others present in the Loch with which it could reproduce.
cryptohunta
3rd pic is elephant no doubt but how do we know it was taken in loch ness
Agent. Mulder
QUOTE (Katherine of Aragon @ Jun 18 2008, 01:40 PM) *
Well, if the theory that Nessie was a rogue creature has any merit, then there would be no others present in the Loch with which it could reproduce.


but we cant tell if that theory is correct. and seeing how nessie has been spotted for Years, it would almost make more sense, that was more than one.
Agent. Mulder
why are they comparing these two?
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...st&id=43701
do they not know, this is a fake picture of nessie? why compare it to an elephant?
Joe013
Name: Arthur Grant
Date: January 1934
Location: Abriachan
Description: Small eel like head on long neck. Bulky, 4.5 to 6m long body with 2 humps and 1.5m long tail. Black or dark brown, 4 flipper like legs.


source: http://www.lochness.co.uk/nessie/sightings/sightl.html



most reports of the loch ness monster specify that there is a head on the end of the creatures long neck.
if it was an elephants trunk i dont think people would even see a head.

EDIT: also many sightings go back hundreds of years, not just 1970
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