Hello fellow fourm goers, i have a subject that i dont believe was mentioned on this site.

Is the Loch Ness Monster (Nessie) an elephant??
At first this seemed crazy, but when i examined photos of nessie's back and neck coming out of the water, the more it looked like the tip of an elephants head and its trunk.

Im going to try and get pics and show ye.

It seems like a good sugestion. Supposedly their was a circus near the loch and a family of elephants escaped (the period this took place happened aroud the 1970's i believe) and went into the loch. Elephants are exellent swimmers ands can stay submerged for long periods. Another theory is passing circusus stop off at the loch and let the elephants out for a swim.

So what do u think???

bUT BEFORE U ANSWER TAKEA GOOD LOOK AT THE PICTURE!!!!
here is a link.

http://images.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http...l%3Den%26sa%3DN


Now the picture that is secound to the left is a what fits the description of most sightings of the monster, long neck, small head, hump, infact its an elephant!!!

Be a very out of the way route in terms of population centres.

Maybe the loch ness monster is species confused, its really a creature cross dressing as an elephant

Oh yeah its good to be back

Here's an example of a quality posting that cut to the heart of the thread topic. Excellent!

As for virgins on a raft, could we accomplish the mission with a slightly more tawdry lass? I vastly prefer them, and find virgins a pain in the a***.

That depends on the virgin, if it was me tied to a raft, the monster would probably give me back after less than five minutes.

I'm not sure an elephant would be able to hide out around Lock Ness. I know is about 75 miles by 13 miles in size, and has lots of woodlands and hills. But it's not a wilderness, there's roads wrapping all around it, and one main road that runs its complete length from Fort Williams to Inverness. The sea creature myth is easier to understand, because the creature could be hiding in the numerous caves and caverns that connects the Locks and the sea together.

Where the did you get those measurements? It is 23 miles long by 1 mile at its widest. Loch Ness is only connected to the sea through the River Ness which is wide but shallow and runs through the city of Inverness. There is no valid evidence showing caves under the water either.

I'm pretty sure he got that from Wikipedia.

Where? The Loch Ness article itself states Mattshark's numbers, and the Nessie article doesn't say, as far as I can see.

Of course! The Japenese Flying-Rabbit and the Purple Switzerland Fire-breathing Sheep decided to breed and had the great Japwitzland Swimming Wooly Rabbit, who is clearly dressed up as an elephant and hiding in the Loch, laughing his head off as he tricks poor tourists and locals into thinking he's a fierce monster. Watch out, though, he bites.

Here's an example of a quality posting that cut to the heart of the thread topic. Excellent!

As for virgins on a raft, could we accomplish the mission with a slightly more tawdry lass? I vastly prefer them, and find virgins a pain in the a***.

I too find a tawdry lass a preffered companion by comparison. However, I believe Nessie has only a taste for the purest of flesh, as DC tells me, and would pass up our preference for the rafted virgin.

My friend, I believe we've stumbled across DC's true problem. Fixation upon virgins, and the inherent fear of experienced women could easily lead into the compulsive obsession with fantasies and profound belief that nonexistent, mythical creatures control the world with clandestine, Machiavellian machinations. That could well explain 80 pages of dragon crapola and countless deprecating responses from the ultimate acolyte of perceived feminine innocence.

Could be. How the hell else does one explain 80 pages of dragon kaka?

Why thanks, I had remembered reading this up on the BBC, while discussing this some time back with the excellent Urisk. He informed me of the most interesting theory, that whereby Nessie is explained as an immense freshwater Cephalopod. Here is the thread if you wish to read more on this most interesting theory.
Once again, I must agree heartily. I too find a tawdry lass a preffered companion by comparison. However, I believe Nessie has only a taste for the purest of flesh, as DC tells me, and would pass up our preference for the rafted virgin. Sadly, my volunteering will add up to naught as I appear to fail all of the criteria.

Just quietly, I think Nessie is missing out.

My friend, I believe we've stumbled across DC's true problem. Fixation upon virgins, and the inherent fear of experienced women could easily lead into the compulsive obsession with fantasies and profound belief that nonexistent, mythical creatures control the world with clandestine, Machiavellian machinations. That could well explain 80 pages of dragon crapola and countless deprecating responses from the ultimate acolyte of perceived feminine innocence.

Could be. How the hell else does one explain 80 pages of dragon kaka?

I have found no good evidence dragons specifically request virgins. This is a human tendency to honor their deity (or freeloading dragon if of weaker faith) by providing it with a female human which would be most valuable to the humans themselves. This is no different than selecting the finest, unblemished sheep and cattle for offerings. An attractive maiden would be enough, particularly so in 'period' as the blood scent would be an attractant.
Some dragons do specify what they don't want however, such as Yaw's refusal of swine or asses. Even when a first born ass is a required sacrifice, it is to be exchange for a calve. We have no record of him rejecting the offered 32 midianite virgins, and first born children of every family group, though these could be ransomed in exchange for silver or gold based on a sliding pay scale relative to their size/nutritional valure.

But back to topic, there are a number of reliable sightings that should dismiss both the elepahnt and cephalopod sightigs. There was one account where the witness clearly saw the creature carrying a deer or other animal in its jaws, as well as close views of a distinclty "reptilian'" head.

It is unlikely neither an elephant or giant mollusc would have the ability to elude so many reasearchers, wheras mankind has credited dragons with teaching them to become civilized beings.

I must agree, especially on the cephelopod, I really doubt that had more substance than pure theory, but an interesting one to throw in the mix just the same! If any sightings were elephants, it would be a very minimal number of the overall I would think. LOL, we can be sure Saint Columba was not attacked by an Elephant!
Interesting that you say some dragons refuse some sacrifices, is it known why the refusal? tainted meat, or taste, or nutritional value, or simply a prideful thing?

Sadly, I still fall far short of the raft requirement Neither a maiden nor attractive hehe.

I think it is safe to say that St Columba's account is not a historically accurate as it is a piece if religious propaganda and was written at least a good century after Columba's death.

Of course Mattshark. My apologies for the abiguous reply! I find the legends interesting, and occassionaly ask DC the odd question as he certainly does have a great deal of knowledge of the subject, and I must say I have only recieved polite replys from him when I have conversed, I understand some members have had conflict, but I prefer to stay out of that, if nothing else on the basis that DC shows me polite manners and offers answers to all questions I ask, and has done so since I joined in '05, but I do not personally share the belief. Sometimes he has concepts difficult to discuss, but heck, can't say I have not been guilty of that myself LOL. I warrant that this is a most interesting subject, I may have more to ask him as my Son is entering a Dragon interest at the moment. I bought him a Wyvernn and a Chinese Water Dragon, (sorry for the spelling DC) he is rather taken with the concept. They are really nice soft toys too!
I probably should have worded my reply as even the legend of Columba was referring to a Dragon, not an elephant.

What I do believe in? (I bet many members have wondered that!)

I believe in rock and roll
and that
music can save my mortal soul

I'm sorry, but, the likelihood of there even being a Loch Ness monster is next-to-none, yet alone this proposition of it being an elephant.

It is not an elephant. (Sorry if I have missed some sort of joke here)

Hi SteelCat, I do agree - but the claim here (and this is something it took me a while to cotton onto) is not that the LNM 'is' an elephant, in that there is an elephant at large in Loch Ness, but rather that some/most/all sightings of the LNM, including some/most/all photographs, were mistaken sightings of elephants from a travelling circus.

There are problems with this idea as well, discussed in the thread, but it does have a little more going for it than at first sight

Maybe the Loch Ness Monster is George Bush.

Nessie ate the elephants.

Maybe the Loch Ness Monster is George Bush.

Hello fellow fourm goers, i have a subject that i dont believe was mentioned on this site.

Is the Loch Ness Monster (Nessie) an elephant??
At first this seemed crazy, but when i examined photos of nessie's back and neck coming out of the water, the more it looked like the tip of an elephants head and its trunk.

Im going to try and get pics and show ye.

It seems like a good sugestion. Supposedly their was a circus near the loch and a family of elephants escaped (the period this took place happened aroud the 1970's i believe) and went into the loch. Elephants are exellent swimmers ands can stay submerged for long periods. Another theory is passing circusus stop off at the loch and let the elephants out for a swim.

So what do u think???

bUT BEFORE U ANSWER TAKEA GOOD LOOK AT THE PICTURE!!!!
here is a link.

http://images.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http...l%3Den%26sa%3DN


Now the picture that is secound to the left is a what fits the description of most sightings of the monster, long neck, small head, hump, infact its an elephant!!!

Iv heard of this before, and if Im not mistaken, I also read that there was indeed a circus in that area at the time.

nice theory, but its more or less a mammoth if living naturally there, an elephant would think twice about swimming in the icy waters. Then again, how would you explain this:

But I doubt they would just let their elephants run loose around Scotland, unless they escaped or something which I also doubt, circuses usually keep their pins secure.

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Elephant theory in Nessie search

Unexplained Nessie sightings could have been elephants swimming
Unexplained sightings of the Loch Ness monster could have been elephants enjoying a swim, a scientist has said.
Neil Clark, curator of palaeontology at Glasgow University's Hunterian Museum, spent two years researching Nessie.

He said they could have been circus elephants, as fairs visiting Inverness would often stop on the banks of Loch Ness to give the animals a rest.

The trunk and humps in the water would bear similarities to some of the most famous Nessie photographs.

There have been reported sightings of "something" in Loch Ness dating back to the 6th Century and it has grown into one of the world's most enduring myths.

Hazy photographs and eyewitness accounts have sprung up over the past 100 years, without offering conclusive evidence that Nessie exists.


I do believe there is something alive in Loch Ness

Neil Clark
Palaeontologist
Dr Clark said most sightings of Nessie could be explained by floating logs or waves.

But he is promoting the elephant theory because his research showed circuses were a common occurrence in the area, particularly from the early 1930s.

"The circuses used to take the road up to Inverness and allow their animals to have a rest, swim about in the loch and refresh themselves," he said.

"It's quite possible that the people around Loch Ness saw some of these animals.

"When their elephants were allowed to swim in the loch, only the trunk and two humps could be seen - the first hump being the top of the head and the second being the back of the animal.

"The elephant theory would not explain some of the later sightings. I don't know when the last circus to Inverness was, but I'm presuming there were some after 1933."

Asked whether he believed in the Loch Ness monster, Dr Clark said: "I do believe there is something alive in Loch Ness."

Touche, it's possibal then.

Plausible, yes, not for all sightings but well may have kicked of "Nessie fever"

I like this theory, I think it could be possible, and I would quite like it to be true.
In reality though, I'm not sure an elephant(s) would do very well in Scotland

But he is promoting the elephant theory because his research showed circuses were a common occurrence in the area, particularly from the early 1930s.

I like this theory, I think it could be possible, and I would quite like it to be true.
In reality though, I'm not sure an elephant(s) would do very well in Scotland