Considering that by the year 2050, the earth will have 15 billion people with a deteriorating environment, how much longer can we survive? Science and technology have not, to date, been able to offer survival alternatives. Man has resembed a virus on this planet, contaminating it almost to the point that it cannot recuperate and all within the last 100 years.

How much longer can the earth survive us?

We have 4 more years to live.

Is it 4 more years before we all become extinct because of our own way we use the environment.

Or 4 years left when something bad will happen.

I think the reference was to the Dec. 23, 2012 final date on the Mayan calendar.

I understand now.

I have been looking at these predictions form the Mayans,Chinese,Nostradamus all predict Dec 23, 2012.Does put out a lot of questions, including that what I have seen some of these predictions actually came true.

We are not certain by what means they arrived at a particular date but it had to be some astronomical reference. Some claim that on the Mayan calendar it indicates a change of the "ages" when we will pass into a new era. I find that a bit skeptical since other ages were recorded without offering a final date after which the calendar will no longer be functional.

The 12th planet Nibiru and it's moons will be entering our solar system as it does every 2 - 3000 years

LOL!

Many Zecharia Sitchin disciples make this claim but there has been no evidence from observatories or space telescopes of anything relative to five times the size of earth being within a four-year proximity.

The Earth will survive another 5 billion years until it's engulfed by the sun. The Earth wont be destroyed by anything we do, but the human race might be. Chance are we'll wipe ourselves out in an unspectacular fashion then within a hundred years it'll be back to business on Earth, alot quieter than it was when we were around.




Two posts that will always go hand in hand. Nibiru does not exist, and it'd be the 9th planet even if it did.

Something big is comming that's for sure even if it's only our mass and sudden extinction.

It's the biggest story in 3000 years. Not to be taken lightly

NO NO NO!

Makes me so furious, stop scaremongering. Every two to three thousand years? So which is it? Considering there is a chance that calculation is out by a third.

Well as to the topic at hand, in light of the fact that the world is not going to end in 2012, I think the global Birth/Death rate will eventually plateu with famine and disease and of course numerous wars and eventually the Death rate will simply exceed the birth rate, Nature will see to it that some sort of balance is maintained however horrible that method will be.

I agree fully to what you are saying.Could not think of a better explanation



No offense.This sounds like a thing that only hippies dream up.Do you have actual proof of this illusive planet of yours.

As for the quote if this is such a big story why is it not on the news.

there is proof

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AmdazwAcgw

Nasa is watching nibiru with it's planet-x tracker in the south pole you can only see it in southern areas of the world but by 2009 everyone will be able to see it with their naked eye.

there are photos just do a little research

also

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-3RLx_4Y5Y...feature=related

This really kicks the door down of my Fortress of fact.I am truly stunned.

well then wait a little while until you can see it then

Certainly not another 2008 years.
Maybe not even 500 years.
Which brings up questions, what are we doing about it?

Absolutely nothing! You can thank the worlds governments for that. They are too caught up in competing against each other.

For most of our species history we've had a struggle to keep our population UP. This is why there's such a heavy emphasis on reproduction in all the ancient traditional religions. At present we have a choice between controlling our population, extinguishing each other in a catastrophic war, or dying in droves in an epidemic because we've too densely populated. Unfortunately, the world religions are not willing to accommodate the fact that there are too many of us, and they keep pressuring everyone to reproduce over and over ad infinitum. Part of this is political-- more believers makes a religious establishment more powerful, and most people practice the religion of their parents. It's also due to the fact that religions focus on tradition (ie-the past) rather than the future.

If we don't learn to fit into a world of limited resources the ecosystem's natural balance will reassert itself by eliminating us. Unfortunately, I think that's what's most likely to happen.

I don't think all of the other species will be eliminated, though. There are many biological niches that are not immediately linked to human habits. Huge parts of the ocean, various valleys which are shielded by mountain ranges and their distance from humanity. Also, some species are more tolerant of extreme conditions and would still be around even if our pollution killed us off.

Obviously, the best course would be to take responsibility for our population and to integrate appreciation for ecology into world religion.

So. When the world does not end in 2012. And no great happening happens and life goes on. What date will you folks fixate on next? 2020?

We have enough resources to live for at least more than another century...2150 maybe?

The loose and easily challenged translations of Sitchen have produced this scenario and he has assembled a host of disciples to his theory. In reality, he borrowed heavily from Emmanuel Velikovsky but the difference is that Velikovsky was a legitimate scholar with international studies in a broad spectrum of disciplines. Velikovsky recognized the old Sumerian tales for what they were and referred to the ancient gods as being simply gods and not fanciful representations of planets.

The uncountable errors of Sitchen's translations has brought the wrath of world scholars and have been proven time and time again. No amount of videos with computer enhancements can alter the reality that a man with an idea turned it into a literary goldmine.

The earth will be here long after we are gone. If people would try to understand that, they might have more respect and fear for themselves and for the earth...

Sweetie, take it from Mum......Never trust anyone who says, 'they can't tell you who they are and this is a matter of national security'.........on........Youtube........

Or anywhere . . . .

Yes , I have seen two Television specials on that , "The Future is wild", and most recently, "Life after people." It is very interesting to see the progress of the animals and the deterioration of our monuments.

Not the end of the World.
More like a purging of life on it
http://xfacts.com/x2.htm
http://www.assyriatimes.com/engine/modules...hp?storyid=3015
And of course the other side of the coin
http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astrob...estion/?id=2744

First claim: IRAS found a large planet sized object in 1983.

It's commonly claimed that it was a jupiter sized planet close enough to be a part of the solar system. What the article really said was that they didn't know what it was! It was their first time with something of that power, so they saw all kinds of crazy stuff. Follow-ups to this found that it was instead a new type of galaxy that was bright in the IR spectrum but not visible. No mystery there. Need more credence? In the interview it's said that they didn't know what it was... and they didn't. Until they followed up on it!

Second thing I'd like to point out is the May 2002 image and September 2002 image at around 3:49 that happens to be the star V838 Monocerotis. I see this quite a lot: people claim that the image of V838 Monocerotis is, in fact, the star of myth which is surrounded by a cloud of gas and dust.

How do I know about V838? Simple. In 2002, when I found out about this whole Nibiru thing, I found those images as well. I found them from a scientific publication on the true nature of them and saved the images because I thought they were cool. I was a believer in Planet X (or IX now) until 2003, when I found the planet x pages on Bad Astronomy. I still believed sort of for a while, until month after month passed and it hadn't come and I couldn't spot it myself.

So in 2004 I set them up. I posted a topic on conspiracy boards known as Godlike Productions claiming that Planet X has been spotted by the hubble space telescope and I had pictures. So I posted the pictures, and the event happened so long ago that no one knew of it. From there it spread like wildfire, and many planet x sites still use the picture of V838 Monocerotis that I posted as a prank.

So, you're welcome.

Red dwarves are 35-70 times the mass of jupiter and roughly jupiter's size. Which, for your information, is one hundred Earths across. We've spotted lone brown dwarfs sixty or more lightyears away. If we can do that, we can spot them this close. We being back yard astronomers with good enough gear... In fact, if there were a brown dwarf out there, you'd know it. You'd see pluto's orbit get messed up, you'd see the planets moving in weird ways and getting thrown off track, and et cetera. Not to mention that it would be bright. Very. Jupiter reflects about 40% of the sun's light due to its size and distance. Given this, a brown dwarf would send back about 40% as well due to both its size and its heat. It'd be pretty easy to spot. We'd see it as the second brightest IR object in the sky... Even amateurs could see it with ease. But yet we don't.

We don't see it, feel its effects, and all we have are blurry photos (like aliens, bigfoot, and whatever else is supposedly out there) of it. Therefore, it's a safe wager that it doesn't exist.

Besides, Mr. Sitchin himself says it won't be around for about a thousand years. Nancy Lieder, the.. erm.. leader.. of all this said it was weeks, not months, all through 2003 and 2004. She then refused to give dates after her May 16th, 2003 date passed, and with no shock to anyone she said it'd happen before 2012. But yet people still say it's 2012. Why? Because it can tie in with supposed Mayan prophecies on said date.

Sad thing is, they're both one gigantic load.

I was twelve years old when I fell for this nonsense. I was fourteen when I'd shaken it. I'm seventeen now and slightly more mature, and it makes me wonder how anyone could believe this nonsense if they're older than twelve or thirteen. I may never know the answer... But I do know that I'm going to laugh with every passing year a lot harder than the year before!

You really brighten my day up with these posts.... Youtube as proof? The poster called Nibirushock. Come on? I would ask you if you are serious, but you clearly are.

Give me enough time and most likely anything can be proven as fact based on YouTube.

Do a little research you say? How about no research and just type in words into Youtube search.

Pathetic!

Even if it isnt planet X it could be anything that ends humankind. There are many theories of what will happen. Bible Codes, Various prophecies, Mayan calendar and what about impending war with Iran. That may be the end of our age, when WWIII starts if it does. What if nothing happens and we all sit here in shock or laughing or upset. Its the fact that we discuss it. My theory is I would rather be prepared for the end and have a plan for when or if it happens. Than be taken off guard when it does happen because I was a skeptic. Nothing against skeptics I just prefer an open mind.
Go to North Dakota when the end is here. Cavalier North Dakota. Thats where I will be. Dont ask me why. Thats where me and hundreds of my friends and family will be setting up camp. Come if you want. The meeting point is at the state park in Cavalier. Bring supplies for survival. If nothing happens than I will be grateful. If something does go down. I will be prepared

Ah yes... the omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent "They"

Humans are a Cancer, growing, eating, reproducing and toxifying the earth

Even though I have things in my refrigerator older than you, I compliment your maturity, knowledge and perceptions. We are in complete accord on this theme. I personally believe that Sitchen developed an almost cult following because he offered an alternative to standard religious scenarios of the earth and life upon it. Far too often his translations were self-serving and strayed far, far from the truth.

I watched this about an hour ago, but only replied now because I was, how do you say it, LMFAO!

This has got to be the most ill advised unscientific presentation of false facts I have seen yet on the subject, and that is saying something. How can we only have spotted this planet x if it is part of a 5 planet system orbiting a Brown dwarf? Its not an exosolar planet either if it is in a cycle with our system, in fact they are making the rather startling claim that Sol is actually a binary system with 5 extra planets. And the gods live on one of them, amazing truly amazing of course the entire brown dwarf and its little system is gonna then saunter off completely ignoring the suns gravity and leave the galaxy?

I know these forums state no flaming but really this insults most people's intelligence and deserves a flame or two, I suggest you go and get an education, because it doesn't take a genius to understand how outrageous those claims are.

And let's not forget that the "homeplanet" is inhabited by the Annunaki . . . . a name derived from the absurd translations of Sitchin . . . .

It's Sumerian (1000's of years old), Zecharia Sitchin didn't make it up.

After looking at the video for the second time of this crap planet Nibiru I laughed so hard that I fell of my chair.Haha what sensation less crap some people dream up these days.Seems like anything goes these days and if some one asks for proof you point them to that absurd proof that is on YOU TUBE.Grate Scott why was I so wrong in my first posting of this this evedince on tou tube.

Here, in case you need more to laugh at
Galactic Alignment

Sitchen wisely offered an alternative to every religious concept in the world. We are the creations of the Annunaki who needed workers in the gold mines of South Africa. The offspring of a "man-beast" and volunteer Annunaki women was genetically manipulated to reproduce. . . . . Millions of people goose-stepped into his fold and accepted the idea eagerly as something different from virgin birth, crucifixion. resurrection and second comings.

Personally, I would have no problem with the idea that our planet was visited by aliens. Why not? I would have no particular objection to the idea that the unexplicable advancement of early civilizations was based upon knowledge from those visitors. But to get specific and pinpoint a brown star where the "homeplanet" is the residence of these aliens passes the point of basic logic. To claim that this Nibiru has been spotted and photographed in the southern hemisphere defies all reason.

Instead of placing your faith in literary sensationalism by an unqualified translator with no credentials to support his claims, why not read B. Alster's work in the Journal of Cuneiform Studies or SN Kramer in the Journal of the American Oriental Society, to discover that the word "Annunaki" cannot be extracted from Akkadian writings and is the sole invention of Sitchin.

The truth is that while Sitchen sold his bill of goods to millions, he really wasn't all that astute in supporting his ideas. For example, he claims the Annunaki had well extended lives mounting to thousands of years. He also claims that they sexually mixed with humans. Now if he was really clever, he would have stated that after the alleged "new law" prohibiting Annunaki's from sexual activities with humans, the average age of humans declined generation after generation as proven in Genesis. That is, people were living 600, 700 years but after the law prohibiting sexual mixing . . . and thus diluting the genetic long-life influence of the Annunaki . . . human lives diminished slowly to a mere 70 years.

The idea that governments know of the coming of Nibiru and are hiding the information from the public for the fear of global panic is so ridiculous that one should be ashamed of believing it. Do you realize how man private telescopes are in the world . . . some of magnitudes challenging the best observatories? How many universities have telescopes? How many astronomy clubs are sprinkled around the world? How many private astonomy hobbyist there are? How many networks of astonomy information exist? And the government controls all these as well? Or that a person in the Southern Hemisphere can take a photo of Nibiru but the millions of private telescopes worldwide have not been able to see it?

If there is any legitimacy to the prophesies that perhaps lie within the end-date of the Mayan Calendar, it will be our planet devastated by storms and quakes and eruptions caused by man's stupidity in abusing the earth past its limits. No Annunaki . . . no Nibiru . . . no homeland planet . . . no Anu, Enki or Enlil . . . just us getting exactly what we deserve.

Please, please, please read www.sitchiniswrong.com

I read of the Annunaki...my god, it was.......... flipping hilarious!

Thanks for the post Expatriate.

Haha what a load of bull crap some people would believe still to today.I mean "Nibiru" and the "Annunaki Gods" how pathetic all this coming from a person that claims that he can read these ancient texts but does not even understand a word,give me a break .

Jeeeez, take it easy already! I don't subscribe to any of these conspiracy stories, just having some fun with them. So, the word Annunaki is not Sumerian? Annunaki (Anu = Heaven, Na = And, Ki = Earth) All those drawings depicting alien intervention like these http://hometown.aol.com/mddunbar1/AnnunakiInfoPage.html are made up by Sitchy? The Dogon tribe's knowledge of both Sirius and Sirius B (invisible dwarf star) were planted by Sitchy too? There is no evidence of a large planet-like mass with smaller moon-like satellites about to enter our solar system? Nothing about our solar system aligning perfectly with the center of the Milky Way galaxy during the Winter Solstice of 2012? No Nephillim? No Watchers? . . . . . how boring!

Now, let me play with myself:
Neberu is an Akkadian word, not a Sumerian word. It referred to a river crossing, ford, or a ferry (boat). The city of Nippur was probably located at such a spot. The planet Jupiter, which we know was later called Neberu, belonged to the chief deity in the Babylonian pantheon, Marduk. We don't have proof, but earlier it may have belonged to the Sumerian Enlil, the temple god of Nippur and chief deity in the Sumerian pantheon. There is a possibility that Neberu also referred to the North Star. The Sumerians tended to project what they knew on earth onto the heavens.

Anunnaki is a collective name for the gods of heaven and earth, and in other contexts only for the gods of the Netherworld, the empire of the death (in particular beginning in the second half of the second millennium). It is a loan word (plural only) from Sumerian a.nun.(n)a(k) 'semen/descendants of the (-ak) monarch (nun) and refers to the offspring of the King of Heaven An/Anum. The gods together are called Anunnaki and in the text one might specifically add
d Anunnaki sha shamê u erSetim, 'the Anunnaki of heaven and earth'.

Sometimes a differentiation is made in the indication of the totality of the gods, the d Igigi and the d Anunnaki. The Igigi in that case are the gods of heaven, while the Anunnaki refer to the gods of the Netherword, the empire of the death.

In the later tradition of the Babylonian Epic of Creation the supreme god at that time, Marduk, divided all deities into Anunnaki and Igigi, but the words for Anunnaki and Igigi are used almost interchangeably elsewhere in the text. 'Marduk, King of the gods, divided....
d Anunnaki gimratsunu elish u shaplish
'the Anunnaki, their totality, (over the regions) above and below'

The epic of Atrahasîs (Poem of the Supersage) is a long epic, probably composed around 1700 BCE, which deserves more attention than given here. In this epic heavenly society is divided into two classes. The labour on the fields was carried out by gods of second rank, the Igigi, on behalf of the more important gods, the leaders, called the Anunnaki. The story starts with a revolt by the Igigi. They bang the door and went on strike, protesting before their chief employer Enlil. No work on the fields eventually means famine, so the gods panic and convene a general assembly, this time presided by the chief Anu himself. The solution proposed by the intelligent Ea is to create mankind who would have as prime duty to work on the fields, to fulfill the role of servants towards the gods. Men feed, cloth and shelter the gods and thus replace the labour done previously by the Igigi, and this is why men has to work so hard...... Their sole purpose is to be devoted to the gods.
It is possible that the Igigi represent the younger gods of the Akkadians and the Anunnaki the older Sumerian gods. Between the lines of the Epic one could read a struggle for equal rights, possibly reflecting such a struggle between the Sumerians and the Akkadians. Other theories (e.g. due to von Soden) deny the resulting settlement and agreement between the gods. It is said that in fact the Igigi seized power over the Anunnaki. They, the Igigi, gods of the heaven, become at the top and are the consulting gods in the assembly, eventually dominated by four or seven 'Great Gods'. In this theory the Igigi dislodge the Anunnaki to the Netherworld.

Not one word of this was culminated from Sitchy either.

The thing I said was that the word "Annunaki" does not appear in any writing prior to Sitchin. It is a name he invented by joining a few words. The links you provided shows some Sumerian / Assyrian art but do you believe the museums where they rest present them as being "Annunakis?"

Why is there a reason to believe that the Dogons' alleged knowledge of Sirius and Sirius B is linked to Sitchin's invented aliens? The truth is that the Dogons merely draw some dot formations in the sand and point upward. That those marks are similar to Sirius and Sirius B has been noted but that hardly is solid evidence that they have a historic knowledge of them.

And is there evidence of a planet-like mass entering our solar system? NO. A very frank, absolute, NO. And if planets align, do you believe it will be the first time? No Nephilim? No. No watchers? Who knows, but can they be linked to Sitchin's imaginary playmates on their homeplanet? NO.

Maybe boring, but truth often is.

Nowhere in the Epic of Atrahasîs does the name "Annunaki" appear.

I wish you would all stop worrying about the end and start living for today. Yes it will all end some day, no it wont be aliens, god, allah, annunaki, galactic alignment, voodoo or leprechauns. Stop dragging the human race down, we have the capability to exist until the end of the universe, but dwelling on ends that are never going to come isn't helping.