I have been rolling this around in my mind lately; what would we belive if we had NO human influances?

I know, I know, it is not even possible, really for a human to have zero human influance as we are born so helpless, but just go with it.

Would he find God in his heart, worship nature, or just survive like an animal?

We are all children of God so surely we would have some rememberance of our creator, but how would it manifest without other humans telling us how to belive?

I would love to know the answer, any ideas?

I would also like to know what this hypothetical human would deduce about nature and the world, without being told what to think . . .

Die of loneliness. We were not made to be alone. Animals can only offer so much. We would not be stable as far as mental health if we did not die.

But do you think God would contact us , or would we create a God, would we really need another if we never had someone?

Without religion? The world would be far more peaceful. Man always adapts, and without any religion, or recollection, man would create science as it did many years ago, and find search for his origins. I believe it would be like the Pax Romana of science, of course, casual conflict would be unavoidable, but we wouldn't have people strapping bombs to themselves.

Do you think that man would eventually end up wear we are now again?

The only way to be without influences is not to exist, in which case our non-existant man wouldn't do anything at all.

Depends on the person I believe. Very hard to say and imagine how things would be if we had no other person. In theory at least. In practice a baby would die without another human to take care of it. If we were able to wipe someones mind and confine them to a vast area maybe then we could study them but how cruel would that be lol

Yea it seems pretty extreme, I just wish that I could know what thoughts are my own and how much is put their by media propeganda, and my parents beliefs.

I was thinking if I could just go off in the woods for a while I would come out knowing more about life than I have learned, but then I would be going in with preconcieved notions that I cannot erase. (I know I am begining to sound crazy)


What is real and what is just influance of our peers, media and family.

Look at the terrorist, they truely belive 100% that they need to kill us to get to heaven. What if they were born with no infuance at all or in America, surely they would not be anything like that.


As Christians we belive because a man died on a cross 2000 years ago, if we have faith and live right we will get to heaven. (Don't get me wrong I know it is true I just wish I knew it with out any one telling me to.)

What if one of us were born in a situation the terrorist were born in would we be bombing buildings, beliving in our faith?
What if one of them were born in a christian home, they would belive.

We belive what we are taught or we rebel from it either way our peers influance us so much.

I know how nutty I sound, I Just want to know what conclusions a person would come to all by themselves.

Well you should read some books from Carlos Castaneda regarding Don Juan and Yaqui sorcery. Some can be found in the library. One of the things one must do to follow that path is totally lose themselves. Lose their ego, lose their family, lose their friends, lose their home, lose all their beliefs, lose who you are in the very end to begin anew. An analogy is offered of one who has a chance to become a sorcerer is like a giant eagle coming to whisk you away, you can either go and let it take you where it will, or you can remain where you are and stop your path. It sounded so drastic to me I decided that path was not for me.

You are Talking about Heaven where all spirits are created, Our true Home.

The only reason we volunteered to come down incarnate was to experience the eternal spirit, otherwise we would be still in heaven as Unconditional loved spirits, with nothing to guage anything against.

Might as well ba a big loving Blob, Nothing wrong w/ that , but how can one really know what love is if he has not seen the oposit.

For a reason I have always had a rememberance Of Father, and Heaven, I have talked and walked w/ Father since I ran away at 11.

At 39 Father spoke Back to me, telling me who iam toYou, Him, Mother and the universe.

This was a volunteer Job in the eternal realm of eternity, How else is a spirit eternal to learn.

Enjoy it, Hate it Learn from all of it.

After this world and life you will be fully conscious of all your past lives, In spirit anything is possible, so to say that it is not possible to be without the human perspective of existance is yet to be seen, And you will see it. some wil witnes it while still in human incarnations and others wil see it after this life in full consxciousness, which is what spirit Is.

Love Omnaka

Bro Jesus said much the same, But in the loosingMuch is found making one apreciate wht the loosing has Brought him, and in truth he never lost anything, Just the act, and lesson, of loosing everything is the highest teacher.

Love Omnaka

So profound and true!

Because we are eternal spirit , created by an eternal spirit', Sendig a n Eternal spirit child out to experience Experience Is not as different as what we do to our children.

As it is in Heaven, so it is on Earth.

The only real diferance is eternal spirit does not die, while the temporal Body is for a short while.

So what father does, is far greater than what we do as far as experiencing our kids, even in letting them Go with Freewill.

Love Omnaka

Omnaka, do you mind me asking: What is your religion?

I have been reading your post for a while and some of your belifes, I thought were uniqe to my religion, yet I know your not the same religion as I am.

Thanks, Gabolai

I suspect that once we can appreciate how strongly we are influenced by our immediate community, we can begin to think about the expanded community.

Eventually we can learn to respect and admire the many other reality principals that others live by.

John

Same religion, Or way of Life as My Fatheer and Mothyer bGod, Unconditional Love.

I was Born a Jew, and ran away at 11, I checked out as Many rewligions as I could, But none of them came close to the love I recieved On the road walking and Talking with Father.

Then at 39, Father started talking to me and enlightening Me as to who Iam to you, Father and Mother and the universe.

Pretty cool Huh?

Any way I know thats more than you Aked me, (Sorry)

Pop Pop ws A rabbi , and survived the holucost, On Earth He is my Hero.

LOve Omnaka

I want to, but more so I want to know the truth about every thing and who has it right.

maybe that is a bit single minded. . .

See that is sort of what I am looking for, you at least went off on your own and seemed to have found God. Not a God force fed to you, but a true and loving heavenly father.

My husband calls his Grandfather Pop Pop as well, yours seems to be a true hero. We can all learn alot from Holuecost surviors. I read a book written by one that truelly changed my life. I will have to look up the title though, I forgot. They are strong people no doubt.

I do not think it is single minded, it is very logical. The hard thing to appreciate is that God may well support whatever we believe in the way of faith and subjective material.

I tend to think that the search for who is right or what is right is a logical thought construct. It makes perfect sense until you realize, that is if you think like this, our frame of mind has a profound influence on our particular reality experience.

Some strive to use their mind to improve their daily reality through perception adjustments. Once you start to do these things, the search for absolute truth stops because you begin to appreciate exactle how relative and subjective these things are.

The underlying reality may well be that God loves each of us so much that he created our minds so that they would create the reality we wish to experience.

John

This has been our intellectual downfall - being told what to think rather than *how* to think... Why should we deem anyone superior enough to tell us how and what to think/believe? We're all the same under our skin.



Well, Neandrethals managed to live and survive without anyone telling them what to think. The evolution of ancient man into modern man took thousands of years... only during the course of evolution was god introduced. No one is born with the knowledge of god. We learn that. We're taught to believe in god - it's not innate.

That said - I can understand how fear would compel primitive man to think there was something out there greater than himself... Lightning, for example. Ancient man wouldn't know the origin of lightning, and it's quite possible the concept of something greater than him was real because the origin was unknow. Sort of 'there's something out there that can do something I can't'. Hence, the concept of something greater is imagined. But, really, it's just nature doing what she does best - shows of great, although natural, power. Nothing divine about it.

Well, for starters this human would not be asking the same questions you are, none of your points would be a concern, at least I can't imagine it. As far as remembrance of his/her creator goes I think that would probably depend on his/her looking for signs/clues in the first place and there is no way to predict that the idea of creator would occur to the individual at all to begin with. The idea of creator would have to be present before the search for creator could begin. I am of the opinion that we cannot look for something we are not already aware of. Even if the creator did appear in some way the individual may have no frame of reference present to process the information. In other words the creator could appear and the individual would never know what it was.

No, we would be too busy trying to survive to worry about checking our myspace. Socialization is an addiction/mutation.