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Cadetak
As my sig says im half skeptic and half believer and considering that I like to understand. In trying to understand how Christianity,its god, creationism, the trinity, etc. I have developed a theory taht really isn't originally but its 6am, I haven't slept, and I haven't made a real topic in a long time.

Skeptics will sometimes say that "God is just a figment of human imagination" and I wonder why can't it be the other way around? Can't we be a product of God's imagination?

When you are writing a story or dreaming a dream are you not creating a universe and life? The only reason we don't believe that Star Wars or Lord of the Rings is real is because we exist outside that universe but if we were lets say Luke Skywalker we wouldn't know that we are just developed characters in the mind of George Lucas. Tolkien imagined all the hobbits, created the scenery, and the rules of magic and such for his universe. In your head you can create matter out of nothing. Why couldn't God do the same? God creating our existence in the same way Homer wrote Illiad?

Any author of a story is all powerful and all knowing in the fictional universe he creates. If I want a flood in my story I just imagine it and it happens without any effort and their is nothing in my universe I don't know because I created everything there is to know and there is nothing I cannot forsee because I'm the one writing the story. The author is omnipotent in the same way.

The trinity is more easily explained this way. You writing yourself as a character within a story is just like God putting Jesus on Earth. Just as you cannot literally put yourself into a fictional story either can God put himself on earth...so you create a character of yourself and place him in the story just as God placed Jesus on Earth as a version of himself. You and your character version of yourself are the same person but seperate at the same time.

God is everywhere and everything, all powerful and all knowing, crested everything from nothing, he existed before existence. This theory is the only thing I've come across that can explain such a thing.

So umm ya go ahead and post your thoughts please.
Darkwind
It could be we are the dreams of a sleeping God. I can't think of what tradition that comes from, but I know I have heard of it before.
~Kaizen CJM~
QUOTE (Cadetak @ May 8 2008, 04:16 AM) *
Can't we be a product of God's imagination?

In the Philosophy of Judaism that's exactly what we are. If God is omnipotent, and omnipresent then he is everywhere and sustains everything. In order to exist like he does we would have to be completely self-sufficient, but this isn't possible because only God is 100% self-sufficient. Basically, if he truly exists, then we cannot truly exist. We have a lesser existance that is almost like a non-existance. The closer you get to God, the less you percieve your existance because God is your existance. We are nothing more than figments in the mind of God.
Thisisnotmyname
There is a Hindu philosopher from back in the day named Gaudapada, who was convinced that the universe as we know it is simply an illusion created from within the Brahman. It's a pretty interesting theory, to say the least...
I read a book that dealt with some of his work, "Dispelling Illusion" around a year ago, I think. Very good book. The analyses of his work that are in there (you do get to read some translated excerpts of his own writing) are very well done. You might find take interest in it if you like this sort of concept.
Clovis
Nice view Kaizen your insight is always wonderful to read.

Here is the Christian view.

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2 Corinthians 4:18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.


Also to that is the thought of not wanting to be blinded by this temporary world since we are just jars of clay. Not sure if everyone will see how the quote above and below are connected but also how the fist quote is how our take is as far as the topic the OP began. This is not about focusing on the gospel but about how we view this world as an illusion and not eternal, that is what really is there, eternity.

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2 Corinthians 4:3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God
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