The Gospel According To Oprah Winfrey: Jesus Did Not Come To Die On The Cross

Did you see what Oprah Winfrey said on her television show NOW?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM5ILOsHLnw

On one of her recent shows, Oprah Winfrey, who claims to be a "Christian", actually said that Jesus did not come to die on the cross.

People like Oprah are totally laying the groundwork for the coming one world religion. After all, if there is no "sin", no "salvation", no "heaven", no "hell, and Jesus didn't come to die on the cross, then you can define "Christianity" any way you want and it can easily be merged with other relgions.

Here is how another article describes what Oprah is teaching:

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For years Oprah has promoted New Age religion on her television show, but in the past few months she has taken her promotion of false religion to an entirely new level.

Oprah is now holding weekly internet "lessons" for the whole world with her new spiritual superstar Eckhart Tolle.

These are some of the things Tolle has written:

"All religions are equally false and equally true, depending on how you use them."

"Man made God in his own image."

Did you know that Oprah is openly denying Jesus Christ to the whole world?

Oprah said on her television show that there could not possibly be one way to God.

Oprah recently said that she does not believe that Jesus came to die on the cross, but rather that the purpose for Jesus coming was to teach us "Christ consciousness".

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You can read the rest of the article here:

http://shatteredparadigm.blogspot.com/2008...frey-jesus.html

What do you all think about this?

Welcome back, I missed your Oprah hatred posts.

I deny the divinity of Jesus, and I have just as much authority as Oprah, there just aren't as many people who believe it. Where's the blog post about me?

Here is the link to the last thread concerning this matter: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...=123567&hl=

Oprah is just another person among many, though maybe the most influential, at spreading the word of this New Age Christology. It has not much in common with biblical based Christianity. It is easy for someone to get confused if they do not know the difference. Her beliefs are also highly gnostic. This goes back all the way to Babel when they attempted to 'reach the sky' but also back to Eden when the serpent said that their eyes could be open like gods. In other words you do not need God to achieve divinity but can do it all yourself since it is within us. I disagree with such doctrines but they are rising in popularity. IMHO they are paving the way for a global apostate church that will incorporate all religions, well at least part of the religions, while ignoring the core beliefs of each of those religions. It is global in nature and not just Christianity is the focus of this movement but all religions are.

+ lol i see the last thread was made by you...keep spreading the word brother

Wow... twenty-two posts, fifteen topics started...

Spreading the word? You mean spamming discussion boards?

Everyone has a right to make a post. It is only spam in your eyes because you disagree with the message perhaps?

Oprah can believe whatever she chooses to believe, but it certainly doesn't make it right. I would find it odd if the people watching for entertainment were also taking spiritual advice from her in that where do the two cross? But alas we are in a different age..

I disagree with you as well and have never accused you of spam. He goes around posting topics with a rant, then running away. In addition, he posts the same topics multiple times. He doesn't just do this on UM but on the entire internet. He is a troll and it has nothing to do with his message. You think I care about Oprah Winfrey?

It might not be right for us but who are we to judge others? This might be exactly right for others. I might not agree but everyone has a right to worship and view Christ as they wish. I will never stop advocating the Christ of the Bible though and mostly that means simply wanting to live a life based on a belief in Him even if I never have a chance to mention another Bible scripture ever.



Well you do make some points and if all true then yes this would be spam. Topping the older post with new and relevant information would be more ideal.

I'm not casting judgment on anyone, Oprah or her fans. Like I said Oprah can believe what she wants but according to the bible Jesus came to forgive all sins not to remind us God is still around. She is completely off target here and maybe one day she will realize it.

We can hope mate we can certainly hope. The Christ she teaches is not the Christ of history. He said He is the way, the truth, and the light. I am sure Oprah would disagree with that. It does sicken me the way he is perverted this way but as I said they are entitled to their views even though I find these particularly most threatening to the state of things and do consider it the ultimate deception.

Uh. In the Bible, Jesus says something about people who are not of the father that are still in his kingdom. If any man comes through the father, it's through Jesus. But yet he still says that there are people who are not of the father that dwell within his kingdom. Why overlook that? Sure, it's a weird type of Christian theology, but is it really completely off or are you all interpreting things differently? What's metaphorical and what isn't?

You have chapter and verse to verify that Hit The Lights? I do know Romans 2 says that those who follow the Bible are judged by it but those who do not are judged by their own conscience with the law written on their hearts. So if someone is good they will go to heaven regardless of if they believe in God, follow the Bible, or reject both.

I'm not a Bible person, really. But I think going to church for fourteen years of my life coupled with my father being a preacher on television, radio, and in churches sort of qualifies me to quote certain parts randomly. He's more traditional, with the if you don't know Jesus before you die you go to hell stuff. But I can still pick and choose like he and anyone else can! =P

(I'll try to find the verse if I can)

If that's true then why does it matter and why do Christians have to spread the word of God? If we are all judged because of how we act and not what God we believe in, then does it matter if people are converted to Christianity? If these people who believe what Oprah says are just living positive lives, then why does it matter what they believe in or who they tell this to in the end? <-- Not trying to be rude, but I just don't see why Christians feel everyone should believe in God if we go to heaven based off of our merits.

There are also 144,000 Jews that have a place in heaven even if they reject Jesus. Not sure if that is what you refer too but it does not sound like it. Either way if you can find the verse it would be highly appreciated.

You would have to ask those other Christians who believe that way. I do believing in spreading the Word but not in the way you might imagine. Simply having the light of Christ within us, having the Spirit work through us, and just living is the best way to spread the Word. The living Word that is within. If and then someone asks hey what is up tell me...then it becomes time to mention scriptures and such. As Francis of Assisi said: Preach the Gospel at all times and when necessary use words.

Those who do it any other way and even worse go beyond and attempt to bring in others through fear tactics are only driving away more and more people away. They will be held accountable perhaps in the end?

I heard that Oprah may have been influenced by Marianne Williamson and "A Course in Miracles", which is heavily Gnostic.
Some evangelicals have criticized Oprah for this religious publicity.

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There are also skeptics who criticize her that are not doing so from a Christian based perspective:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oprah#Critici...d_controversies

anyone can believe anything they choose - it doesn't make it right or wrong in the scheme of things. she's no more right or wrong than any christian , muslim , jew , hindu , ect.....

I find it odd that people take religious views from ancient text like the bible with all it's edits , contradictions , faults, and pure bs. same for any other text. It should be an inside job. Something to think about ? sure , but in the end an inside job.

"All religions are equally false and equally true, depending on how you use them."

"Man made God in his own image."

nothing is wrong with these two statements above.

or maybe it is you who is off target and will one day realize it ?

I think if more people followed this concept the world would be a lot nicer. And yes, the more people try to force others into the religion, the more the people will pull away. That's just human nature, I think. Perhaps those people will be held accountable for what they did in the afterlife, but I guess there must be some of them who are doing this for spiritual purposes and not monetary ones, and maybe they'll be treated a little more easily than those who are just in it for the money. They're just trying to help after all, even if it only seems that way to them. Not to say what they're doing is right, but to them it just seems natural and "right".

I agree Lady O that some do have good intentions but bad methods. As they say you draw more flies with honey hehe

If Oprah is a christian and this is truly her perception of Jesus then I will say once more she is wrong. Anyone can find this out by reading the New Testament. Once again I will stress that I'm not judging her in any way. As for contradictions and faults - what are you referring to? .. or did you just think it sounded cool when you wrote that? Nothing is wrong with those two statements according to you.

The bible is not any old book. It is the word of God. Do you think God would allow misinformation to be taught in His book?? He even says in the bible it will not happen or be tolerated.



Or maybe pigs will someday learn to fly? Sorry but today is the day we learn Oprah is off target and if you want to know why take a look at the new testament in the bible.

sorry dude but I think you missed the target long ago. As for misinformation in the bible ? sure there is . proof you don't know it.

I see I just wasted my time. The only misinformation I can see here is in your head.

It is clear that the Christ that Oprah is teaching is not the Christ of the Bible. Not saying one is right or wrong but there is a difference and people should be aware of them. While I will admit that there is other paths to heaven it is wholly disingenuous of Oprah to attempt to say she is a Christian on one hand but then deny the Bible. Most can admit that the basis of Christianity is the Bible. Sure many Christians themselves do not heed to it and just take the word of another about what it says but that is not the same as one who is taking the role of teacher and using misinformation.



These two statements seem very similar to ones made by Oprah's spiritual adviser as can be seen in the video below. They can be found at the 2:13 and 2:40 minute marks. The second statement also denies the belief given from the very beginning of the Word that man was made in the image of God and not vice verse. Sure there is nothing wrong with these beliefs in and of themselves since everyone should believe as they wish but passing them off as Christianity is a huge disservice to Christianity and the Christ of the Bible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WN_ZKrVKGQ

The following verses are applicable when regarding the Christ of the Bible and regarding a counterfeit claiming to be the same Christ.

I think it's important to understand that the Bible was not written by Jesus or God or anyone else but mortal men. I will admit up front I am not a biblical scholar nor will I quote verses to justify anything. But, am I right in saying that the bible claims people lived to like 900 years old? That its okay to keep slaves? Again, I am not a biblical scholar, but I could have sworn I read certain things like this in there.

I think the Bible is here as a guideline to help people lead a better life. But I don't believe it is the end all-be all of morality either. I like a lot of aspects of Christianity. I also like some Judaism, some Hinduism, and Buddhism really clicked with me as well.

But in saying all this, have many people here read the Eckhart Tolle book in question? I've read most of his stuff, but just got a chance to pick up "A New Earth" from the library recently. I really don't think it's evil. Or trying to downgrade Christianity. Really, I think he is trying to illustrate the teachings of Jesus, of Buddha, etc in a new way. You can choose to accept of not accept his methods, of course. But I just don't see where it is evil in any way. Personally speaking, of course.

And in saying all this, while I may not be the biggest and best Christian around, I will say that I give Jesus and God or whatever you want to call the higher power a heck of a lot more credit than some of the people who claim to be ardent followers. I honestly feel like the higher power has more important things to do than worry about Oprah and Eckhart Tolle.

My opinion. I could be wrong.

The general minus ten sanity level of most television show hosts is something to worry about in all aspects of daily life. The View, for example. Who let that one woman on television? Like, really.

Is the Earth round?
lol i dunno

Christians were the first!

Oprah may be more influential, but there's a lot in pop culture to dislike that has to do with TV hosts. Montel Williams with Sylvia Browne? Oprah can believe what she wants and say whatever she wants, but why should she have a TV show at all to spout such pseudo-scientific (and anti-religious, in form of what she DOES promote) nonsense?

If the only thing you can note about her is her Gnostic influenced beliefs, there's something wrong.

The bible was inspired by the Holy Spirit and not merely a creation of man. So in a sense you could say it was indeed written by God. People did live longer back then and as to why, there are only theories.

First off, slavery then was different from what we think of slavery now. Think indentured servant. It had nothing to do with race. When people could not pay their debts or provide for their family they sold themselves as slaves. Back then it was a part of their society. They were given commentary on how you should treat them, as your brothers. Jesus had no slaves.

We should not dwell on these things as they take away from the true purpose of the bible: salvation.

Whos says that the bible was inspired by God Man? Sorry if it was inspired by God then he took away thier frewill to write it. No man is perfect according to your God.

It seems that the only people who have a problem with what other people believe are Christians not all just some.

The bible states that the men who wrote it were inspired by the Holy Spirit.

2 Timothy 3:16
16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Took away their free will?.. He did not force them to write, instead, when they were writing God was in their presence.



Is this directed at me? I don't feel I'm pushing anything on anyone. Here I have presented some facts about Christianity and the bible. I believe everyone should be able to chose what religion to follow, as this is truly free will.

There has been a wave of anti-Oprah talk from the Christian community lately. I was listening to a pastor on the radio warning people about her and how she is spiritually dangerous.

Not sure why she is being targeted. Lots of entertainers on TV hold similar views as her and don't get this kind of attack. Weird.

She is an entertainer, not a spiritual advisor. It's not her job to tell me how to think, that's not her job. Does she have influence? Yes, but I also have my own brain and can make my own mind. Even if she were a proud Satanist that doesn't mean I going to join the church. What are Christians so afraid of?

Christians need to relax, she's not making true Christians any less of a Christian than they already are. Let the nice lady do her show and leave her alone.

And in the words of Chris Crocker. . . Leave Oprah ALOOONE!

i always knew oprah was evil

I agree; just leave the poor lady alone. Just because she believes something doesn't mean everyone else has to. People need to think for themselves.

your saying Oprah is wrong in her beliefs yet say your not judging her = hypocrite.

the bible is full of contradictions and faults - try reading it . for example -

John 5:31
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

John 8:14
Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true.

John 8:18
I am one that bear witness of myself

many many more. seems God tolerates all kinds of contradictions and mistakes ect..........


now you just keep those misinformed blinders on. ok ?

I will try to state my point in another way. According to Christianity and the bible, both of which Oprah supposedly subscribes to, Jesus came to forgive all sins. I'm not sure why she thinks what she does but hopefully she will learn the real reason some day.

John 5:31
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
John 5:32
There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.

See below.

John 8:14
Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true. == This is incomplete.

John 8:13
The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true.
John 8:14
Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.

John 8:18
I am one that bear witness of myself == This is incomplete.

John 8:17
It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
John 8:18
I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

So, Jesus is not speaking for himself only as God speaks for him also which according to their laws makes the testimony true.

so how does that fit in with

John 5:31
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

that was skipped over ?

If you look again I did include it. I will post it here as well.

John 5:31
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
John 5:32
There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.
See below.

So, Jesus is not speaking for himself only as God speaks for him also which according to their laws makes the testimony true.

ah I see .......... yet the bible is man made , not God made. the fact is God could be inspiring Oprah. and who would you be to say otherwise ? or did God stop inspiring man 2000 years ago ?

plust the bible has a ton more contradictions and if you want I'll bring up some more tomorrow. not including errors. stories based on older religions. ect.............. and the fact that you can't prove jesus said anything in the bible.

here - a bit of reading

http://www.dangerousintersection.org/?p=668

night !

I am going to quote myself here, and surprisingly the quote is pulled from this very thread.





Let me tell you a secret about the bible. Before you read it, pray to God and ask to understand His Word. It will be a lot easier to comprehend with His help. Regarding the link, no but thanks anyway. Now that I have shown you that the above verses are in fact not contradictions I challenge you to next time study the bible before posting another one, if you still believe so after checking the bible you can post it online for someone else to disprove. After all we certainly don't want to spread misinformation do we now? God bless and have a good night.

Sounds correct to Me, Do you have a problem Loving God, who is the christ consciousness?

Or do you need Jesus to save you from your self?

Either way is ok, stating there is no one way to God.

If one believes Jesus is the only way to Salvation, then guess what, Jesus is the only one who can save you.

If one goes to work expecting a paycheck, , If he goes, and works, He will get one, If he doesent , He wont.


There are as many ways to God, as there is infinate love Of Father and Mother (GOD).

This love is unconditional, even though Man, Or better yet religions have put conditions on it.

Trying to limit the unlimitable, or Infinate..

Try away, won't Limit God's love Though, and you will feel decieved By your own consciousness when this is revealed.

Love Omnaka

now let me tell you a fact ..... about the bible. it is no more God's word than any other text. I do know God. and sorry but christians have no cornerstone on God. of course you won't read the link . it would shine some light on your ignorance . wouldn't want that would we ? I doubt your more educated in the Bible than this man.



The 2005 bestseller, Misquoting Jesus, was not written by a raving atheist. Rather, it was written by a fellow who had a born-again experience in high school, then went on to attend the ultraconservative Moody Bible Institute in Chicago. Bart Ehrman didn’t stop there, however. He wanted to become an evangelical voice with credentials that would enable him to teach in secular settings. It was for this reason that he continued his education at Wheaton and, eventually, Princeton, picking up the ability to read the New Testament in its original Greek in the process.

As a result of his disciplined study, Ehrman increasingly questioned the fundamentalist approach that the “Bible is the inerrant Word of God. It contains no mistakes.” Through his studies, Ehrman determined that the Bible was not free of mistakes:

We have only error ridden copies, and the vast majority of these are centuries removed from the originals and different from them, evidently, in thousands of ways.

(Page 7). At Princeton, Ehrman learned that mistakes had been made in the copying of the New Testament over the centuries. Upon realizing this, “the floodgates opened.”

now , you can remain foolish or enlighten yourself - your choice.

In your opinion which is valid for you.



Or I can be content in my views and allow someone else to have their views without any disrespect or labeling them as foolish. Your view is not foolish but it is your view and does not have to be shared by all for us to understand and respect each other.

Why am I not going to submit to or take seriously anything you say?

You misquote the bible or rather copy and paste information you found on the internet and blindly believe. I can see that you made no effort to see the other side of 'your evidence' by totally disregarding the context in which the verses are written. From what I've seen you don't even entirely read my posts, skim them at best, and always try to add an 'insult' or bait me with idiotic little statements. Tell me sir why I should even grace you with this reply? The next one I promise you I will not!

You are right about one thing though. I'm not as educated on the bible as I can be or would like to be and all I can say for that is I will certainly put more effort into my studies, thank you for that. God bless.

I never said you did you assumed that & no it is not. The bible is a translation of a translation who knows if they got it right.

While I am Christian and do believe in Jesus Christ I do agree with you about Oprah, I have never understood peoples fascination with her. If one chooses to blindly follow her misconceptions then what can you say?
Just because Oprah said it does NOT make it true, Please!
But if you stop and think about it there are the very people who will listen and call it the gospel only BECAUSE OPRAH SAYS, How very very sad!!!!!

Always a pleasure

I know, she's could effortlessly make the transition to cult leader if she wanted to. Her opinion ultimately doesn't matter more than anyone elses, but she's on TV and has millions of loyal followers so for some reason her opinions are lifted up on a pedestal.

Hi cradle O Fish
Could be because she uses her wealth and fame to help those in need , and to bring injustices and The disenfranchised to the publics Eyesight,

She discusses contriversal subjects and is not afraid to share her views, which from what I know are God examples of what Bro Jesus stood for.

I believe with out her fame and fortune she would still hold her ideals high for all to see, which are spiritual Ideals , not religious.IMO

Jesus did not want to be worshiped as God.

And Father only wants Love.

Love Omnaka

I think many's Idea Of being a Good christian, resides in the Heart instead of outward expressions through doctrins and scriptures,

Outward expresions experienced in Daily life by and through ones belief in The teachings Of bro Jesus, Instead of the veneration Of bro Jesus, calling On God and sharing God's love which was what Jesus came to share, Its what I come to share.

I can call Myself a Jew, because I was born a Jew, but I do not subscribe to all That was taught Me in Hebrew and sunday school, My walk with God is a personal one, which can not be judged by the masses, Only Father can Judge My love for Father, which is unconditional, This is the same Love I feel For brother Jesus and You clovis.


My true religion Is the same as Heavenly Father's "Unconditional Love"

It's not for everyone, But I find it is the only thing For me.
Christianity is just a name , What this means to the individual is what really counts

Okra truly does feel compassion and wants to help those in need, I see nothing wrong with her belief or way she uses her fame and resources to help those less fortunate.

I wonder what Bil Gates beliefs are, He is also quite the humanitarian. These actions of a few are blesed By God and the heavenly Host, reguardless of what a religion eschews.

Love Omnaka