Can evil humans become demons after they die? Gradually of course; because as I understand, you have a free will even in the spiritual dimension. So even after dying, it's your choice to go the good way or the evil way.

Or, this is not possible because demons have existed from the beginning of times and they cannot be created, they have always been there?


Is the following statement true? Does not matter how evil you are when you are alive, because when you die you reincarnate and have a chance to redeem yourself. Let’s say, you reincarnate as a very poor person in Somalia and spend your life in starvation to pay your karma.

I'm gonna say no to all of it!! That is because I don't believe in Karma, demons and all that jazz.

But I think most people who do believe in that kind of thing, think that demons are distinct from humans although they interact with us and the physical world.

Welcome Btw

Belle is correct in that those of us who believe in demons consider them distinct from humans.

Now nobody can say I don't listen and learn from others on here!

Whether you believe in them or not... no. If they do exist, the Bible says that demons are angels that followed satan. Humans can't become angels nor can't they go against God once they're in heaven.

No, evil humans can not because demons after they die. An ant cannot become a human when it dies, a dog cannot become a fairy when it dies, and a human cannot become a demon when it dies.

Why not? Have faith in your Lord Lucifer. For you serve for his glory, shall you be rewarded in the torments of hellfire for your devotion.




If I'm wrong about being an atheist, I really want to be a demon... That would rock!

in my opinion since God made everything for Gods purpose ( including evil ) no one goes to hell or becomes a 'demon'

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7

Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? (Amos 3:6)

Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good? (Lamentations 3:38)


that's if you believe in the bible. I don't , but do believe God makes it all for a reason , that fre will is an illusion in the human mind. Now what kind of sense does it make that God creates evil to serve Gods purpose , that all happen for a reason and to send anyone to 'hell' or make them a 'demon' for doing what God created them to do ? it's illogical.

my explanation? it's a myth. man made myth.

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If our actions and nature are determined by God, how can god blame us for those actions? The Biblical text runs thusly:

"16It does not therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. 17For the Scripture says to Pharoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed on all the earth." [Exodus 9:16] 18Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

19One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" "

Romans 9:16-19 [NIV]
And that is the clincher; the ultimate question. Paul has asked "Is God unjust?" for its denial of free will, for its disregard for what our choices and intentions are. Paul now has a mortal present that same question. His answer is a shocker:

"20But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?'"[Isaiah 29:16, 45:9] 21Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?"

Romans 9:20-21 [NIV]

The answer is: Tough! God is unjust, simply because it can be! There is no justification, God makes some people "for noble use", chosen and predestined to do good works 'which God prepared in advance' 'according to his purpose'. If you're not lucky enough to be created for a noble purpose, then you are for common use, relegated to hell and torment, a life without conformity to Christ, and not only is this unjust and painful situation created by God, Paul then says that you have no right to even raise a concern! You can't ask, "Is God Just?" or "How can God still blame us for our actions?", Paul simply states that it doesn't matter, it is tough, God 'hardens who he wants to harden', those who were not noble are waste, space-filler, used, abused... and this unholy mess was all created by God, according to the Bible! No free will is involved, no Human volition can change whether we were made for noble purposes to do pre-planned good acts, or whether we were made for common use, to be discarded and "punished" simply for not having been created right!

http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/christianity_freewill.html

interesting reading

If you're wrong about being an atheist, you will be forever tormented in hell, not a demon.

Pfft, I'll just send my application to Lucifer's personal assistant... I'm eager to please, willing to learn and I'm sure I'll love my work. You just have no faith in me or the Devil wanting to get a job done right.

Ah well, at least we can say we tried.

Right?

demons are fallen angels they were never human so iam guessing no... and I think you already got that answer

Depends on the culture you ask.

There are tales in Japan of people turning into Oni (translated as ogre or demon). The tales tend to have this happen after some tragedy, such as a mother killing her child or a mother dying during childbirth.

Yes, we've all seen the grudge. #1 reason why i'm never going to Japan!

Yes, some answers were 'unexpected'.

What's important is that I have my answer. Thanks guys.

According to christians,no.Humans don't become demons if they go to hell,just like they don't become angels when they go to heaven.Demons are 'naughty' angels who went against god.Angels aren't people who died ands went to heaven,they are a separate 'race',for lack of a better word.So no,'evil' people don't become a demon when they die.And no,being a demon would not be fun,unless you enjoy unimaginable agony for all of eternity

Demons perhaps ..It takes an elevated Evil spirit to become a Demon.....
Same as elevated good spirits become Angels eventually after acquiring theri level of knowledge.....


You become what is in your heart.... It is written upon their hearts....

I don't think a human could become a demon after they die. It's the same thing with angels. Humans don't become angels when they die, even if they're more than flawless during their time here on Earth, I believe. They're two separate beings. It has been theorized that demons are simply "lower vibrational" beings, meaning that they vibrate at a lower frequency than objects in the physical range, and they are simply jealous of our "higher" existence, so they are constantly trying to possess our physical bodies to feel what it's like to live like us (like Samara in The Ring 2). When a human dies, the soul supposedly still has some "substance" to it, and it is still a vibrational entity. Therefore, there is no way for a higher vibrational being to become a lower vibrational being. Angels are not demoted to being humans if they don't exist in a positive way in their "higher vibrational being" existence. It does matter how evil one is in this lifetime, though, because if karma holds true to the model we have now, then if you keep doing evil things, you'll only get more pain and suffering and this will keep happening until one decides to be positive. By nature organisms shy away and avoid pain and suffering. Children don't willingly go out and hurt themselves because they want to or don't understand what pain is (I only say this because most adults understand the concept of pain, whereas children don't always understand this). They will do things that cause them pain merely because they do not know that those actions cause pain. So, by mere instinct, all spirits may be trying to move positively up the reincarnation ladder, merely because love and contentment is more appealing than pain and suffering. So, in effect, even if it was possible to become a demon, I don't think any spirit would degrade itself to the point of being so consumed by "evil" and negativity. It's just doesn't fit how people or any other organism works. So, to put it simply, demons and humans are separate beings, as angels or other spirits, so they cannot turn into one another.

Eh, I've been there and I didn't get attacked by little dead children. =]

Didn't I see this thread twice already? You should've just asked a Mod to shift it to the appropriate sub-forum, instead of posting the thread twice in 2 different sub-forums.
Thread 1
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My daddy always said that you can be whatever you want to be if you try hard enough.

Agreed, many don't wait till they die in order to achieve this status.

Love Omnaka

This is the best answer so far. No doubt.

The answer to that is NO. A person that was evil in life will just become an evil, angry spirit. Demons never walked the earth as humans. Demons do not have physical bodies, they're entities... fallen angels that were cast out of heaven when they rebelled against God.

Omnaka you hit the nail on the head. of coarse humans can become demons! we hear about such beings every day on the news for crying out loud and all through out history! humans are capable of all types of wickedness.

Humans CANNOT become demons. They can be influenced by demons to do evil & wicked acts, they can even become possessed but they cannot become a demon. If you're a child molester or murderer & you die, you do not turn into a demon in the spirit world.

sounds to me like your just making excuses for them. humans have the potential for good and evil. its just in are nature. we have the ability to chose to do bad or good so if some one choses to do bad thats there choice and they are solely responsible for there actions. you can always say "the devil made them do it" but in reality it was there choices all along.



the phenomenon of possession i believe is only some ones realization of there most darkest persona. we all have the ability to retreat into that dark place inside are heads but we must remember that it is just that. a place inside are heads.



really now? can you say that for sure? have you been there your self or are you just going off of what your religion tells you? it seems to me that if some one emanated true evil and wickedness in life they would have no problem doing so in the after life. assuming that this "spirit world" exists in the first place.

Unless you have information or a source to back up that humans can become demons when they die, your statements are just personal opinions. My sources come from well known & respected Demonologists in the field.

What sources? You don't see the hypocrisy in writing this when you gave none yourself?

Gee. I hope people can become demons. Otherwise all this training has gone for nothing.

I can recommed some books that are very very interesting & informative on this subject. Try "Interview with an Exorcist" by Jose Antonio Fortea & "Shadows of the Dark" by John Zaffis. You can also check out the below links for any more information.

Adam Blai
John Zaffis

i would really think that people would see this to be self evident.




sorry but these people are no scientists. so what they say (on the bases of having no evidence of there own ether) is just as opinion oriented as are own arguments.

One could hope, I suppose... Although, I'm thinking an evil person wouldn't have to die to become a demon...consider the Bush-Cheney union...now there's a demonic duo. : )

Demonology is not a science. This subject has always been very touchy on these boards because you have people bring in the different religions & then you have the ones that dont believe so this could turn into a big battle. I like to hear people's different views on all these subjects & I respect it. Everyone just has different opinions & beliefs so I'll leave it at that. Who's to say who's right or wrong.

So how would a scientist go about studying a demon or hell?

If you don't want to accept the work of the demonologists she mentioned, that's fine. But the credentials of these people are well established and known in both the paranormal and religious communities. You might as well say that a foot doctor isn't qualified to advise on cancer prevention, etc.

Yea for they do have 'standards' and you have to reach a certain level of 'evil' to get into demon academy lol



I will never understand as to WHY people feel the great need to believe in demons!!...evil exists, but rom what we can wittness from man...not some spirit..the only real evidence of evil is what we read, see and hear about through man and by man

Believing in the existence of demons has alot to do with your religion. There are alot of people who dont believe, which is totally fine, that's one of the things I like about these boards... hearing everyone different views & opinions.

They can, but only if they have demonic humanoid soul (the souls of a minorit part of the Earth's population originate from a different, demonic parallel world). One cannot become a demon unless he or she is a born demon. There is no such development of human soul from a normal human to a demon.

Demons are NOT human spirits or souls. They cant be born let alone be born in a human. They are entities with no body or gender.

you cant study something that doesnt exist. or at least has no proof or evidence of existing. so yeah, they cant study it.
and for the original poster. no, they cant. theres no demons. just Evil, Crazy people.

lol I find it amazing the ratio of people who believe & those that dont believe. Religion plays a huge role in this topic.

yes! very much so lol
hmm...could explain why they decided to put it in the spirituality vs. skepticism forum as well

I know and you are right, demons are not human spirits or souls. Demons are creatures living in negative parallel world, but apart from demons, there are also demonical HUMANOID souls that can incarnate here on the earth to live here as humans. Believe or not.

That sounds strange. Have you met any of them and what did they seem like?

What gives a demon or evil spirit (same thing as far as im concerned)..power?

Think you have been watching too much Supernatural! Don't worry, Dean will be fine, they will find a way out of the contract!

I miss that show..hope it comes on again lol

Salaam (Peace)

I do not believe that humans can become demons (or angels). A demon (ifreet) in my belief is an evil being of another species (jinn). I understand that we can have devilish/demonic qualities, (or angelic qualities), but we are still human - Children of Adam.

No, I don't think demons have ever been human, nor can humans ever be demons. Like angels, they are spiritual beings that's never been in the flesh. They've always been spirit.

this is correct