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Expatriate
Some will believe it, others will see it as a fraud. Whatever, here it is.

http://www.filecabi.net/video/phone_time_traveller.html
bogcreeper
A time slip or a very insane person ... who knows.
Bella-Angelique
I know that people do not gain in height as they age.
eqgumby
QUOTE (Bella-Angelique @ May 9 2008, 11:47 AM) *
I know that people do not gain in height as they age.

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Bella wins!
supervike
I wasn't able to open it, but if it's the one I'm thinking of, (swedish or finnish), it was a very clever advertisement for insurance.

It's been around for a few years.
Clovis
It is quite possible even if this account is not true. Every second we become a different person but our consciousness is not just part of our brain but our whole body.Then even when we pass on it does not remain within the body. Our consciousness can exist in more than one place at a time. And time is only linear in our experience but the past, present, and future do not exist outside of it and are always present though not what we consider present.


supervike is probably right about it being an advert
Kerkido
Well then. That completely dismisses the whole 2012 doomsday theory then. laugh.gif
Although, perhaps it was a twin in another parallel universe.. If it is a true experience, what a beautiful one at that!
I hope he meets his twin again sometime soon original.gif
Fluffybunny
I had heard it was an insurance commercial...
Emmerson
Yep, it is a Swedish commercial.
Mighty Arcturus
I love fantastic stories and this is indeed a fantastic story and I scrutinized the video several times. The height is the same and people often gain weight as they age. The nose is the same as is the smile. However one thing that did get my attention is that if you stop the video when they are walking together exactly at the moment where the sun dips behind the older ones head for a brief second it appears as if they dont have any ears. This could be a trick of light or a photoshop mistake or they could both be shapeshifting aliens.
soldier4death
A clear picture cannot lead to a proper identification of both men. It's too perfect to be real and too perfect not to be a fake.
A man with a blad head, a distinguishing nose, tattoo to match, sun in the background shadowing a clear picture of our time traveller.

Time travel is not possible with the same entity interacting with it's self. It possess a paradox. Impossible.
Camozotz
Its fake, pretty clever story though.
electrolyticman
Thats a really odd commercial.
Bella-Angelique
QUOTE (Mighty Arcturus @ May 10 2008, 12:03 AM) *
The height is the same


Even if you do not believe the older man is taller, keep in mind that people begin to lose height after age 50.
Asteroth
No matter who reports it, nobody will ever believe it anyway. Most people ought time travelling possible, yet if there's somebody who claims they have travelled time, everyone dismisses it as a hoax. This is a perfect example of it. No blurry vague pictures or hard to believe stories. This man actually has a story, and has perfect clear footage that supports his claim. Yet most people dismiss it as a fake. My point is, whetter it's real or not, it doesn't matter. The reaction to somebody that claims something is allways the same. There are allways going to be less that 20% that believes it, and 80% that say it's a hoax.

Personally, I don't know whetter it's real or not. Unless I ever experience it myself, I will allways think of it as a possibility of 50/50 between true or false.
Papaver
QUOTE (Asteroth @ May 10 2008, 05:46 PM) *
Personally, I don't know whetter it's real or not. Unless I ever experience it myself, I will allways think of it as a possibility of 50/50 between true or false.


Dude, read the earlier posts, it's a commercial.
Papaver
Here's a video about the reasons behind the commercial.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1MM3xMCA0nA&feature=related

I just can't believe that people considered this as real. Critical thinking hat on folks, I mean come on!
Eric Raven The Skeptic
QUOTE (Asteroth @ May 10 2008, 12:46 PM) *
No matter who reports it, nobody will ever believe it anyway. Most people ought time travelling possible, yet if there's somebody who claims they have travelled time, everyone dismisses it as a hoax. This is a perfect example of it. No blurry vague pictures or hard to believe stories. This man actually has a story, and has perfect clear footage that supports his claim. Yet most people dismiss it as a fake. My point is, whetter it's real or not, it doesn't matter. The reaction to somebody that claims something is allways the same. There are allways going to be less that 20% that believes it, and 80% that say it's a hoax.

Personally, I don't know whetter it's real or not. Unless I ever experience it myself, I will allways think of it as a possibility of 50/50 between true or false.

Thats because we are smart.
jonny b
QUOTE (Eric Raven The Skeptic @ May 10 2008, 12:29 PM) *
Thats because we are smart.


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supervike
How blissful it must be to go through life, always assuming everyone and everything is true and real.

Kerkido
QUOTE (Papaver @ May 11 2008, 07:24 AM) *
I just can't believe that people considered this as real. Critical thinking hat on folks, I mean come on!

There's nothing wrong in having hope that someday the public/media will release the actual facts! blush.gif
Fluffybunny
QUOTE (Papaver @ May 10 2008, 12:24 PM) *
Here's a video about the reasons behind the commercial.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1MM3xMCA0nA&feature=related

I just can't believe that people considered this as real. Critical thinking hat on folks, I mean come on!

Reminds me of a thread about a crop circle we had once a while back. The gist of it being that people saw the end result picture and claimed that it was too perfect, too detailed, and has to be extraterestrial, that no person could have pulled it off. A few posts in somebody posted a clip from the show that demonstrated college students pulling it off in one 6 hour period overnight, all with time lapse photography. It was a planned stunt to show off their ability to pull off intricate engineering of designs on a large scale. People saw the clip, watched these kids build the crop circle and then still would claim that it was just disinformation...and stick to the idea that the circle was probably real.

Some people just really want to believe...
Kerkido
QUOTE (Fluffybunny @ May 11 2008, 05:02 PM) *
Some people just really want to believe...

Exactly!

What's the harm in believing something that may be a possibility?
It's called exercising an open mind yes.gif

We're all smart when it comes to dead obvious fake stuff, cos I'm sure not all of us forward chain emails for free products from business, based on the claim they're able to trace each person we send an email to laugh.gif
Papaver
QUOTE (Asteroth @ May 10 2008, 05:46 PM) *
Unless I ever experience it myself, I will allways think of it as a possibility of 50/50 between true or false.



That is a huge logical fallacy.

Just because something has not been proven to exist or to be true, it most definately does not make something have a 50% chance of being true. For example alien life has not as of yet been proven to exist. That does not then mean that there is a fifty percent chance of aliens existing. How do you arrive at such a conclusion that things have a 50/50 chance of being true or false?

You've got there because there are two answers haven't you? Both propositions do not carry equal weight because there are two possible answers, that'd be stupid.

The fact that there are two possible answers to a proposition does not affect the odds and set the odds at 50/50 either way.
Kerkido
QUOTE (Papaver @ May 11 2008, 09:41 PM) *
Just because something has not been proven to exist or to be true, it most definately does not make something have a 50% chance of being true.

I find his argument does have merit since it's solely concerned on the outcome if it's a 'yes' or 'no.'

Ultimately, that's the real situation in real life - nothing is set in stone, just disregard all the rumours, facts & anomalies, toss the coin and see if it's heads or tails.
Asteroth
QUOTE (Papaver @ May 11 2008, 10:41 AM) *
That is a huge logical fallacy.

Just because something has not been proven to exist or to be true, it most definately does not make something have a 50% chance of being true. For example alien life has not as of yet been proven to exist. That does not then mean that there is a fifty percent chance of aliens existing. How do you arrive at such a conclusion that things have a 50/50 chance of being true or false?

You've got there because there are two answers haven't you? Both propositions do not carry equal weight because there are two possible answers, that'd be stupid.

The fact that there are two possible answers to a proposition does not affect the odds and set the odds at 50/50 either way.


Yes, you're definetly right there. I didn't mean it as a statement about all supernatural subjects though, but merely as an overall way I looked at it this particular story, before someone pointed out it was a commercial.... Offcourse for every unproven subject I have a different attitude towards the chance of the existence of it. I definetly don't generalize everything with a 50/50 chance, because that would be stupid indeed. I didn't mean it litterally. I will be more carefull in formulating my post next time.
Eric Raven The Skeptic
QUOTE (Kerkido @ May 11 2008, 12:17 AM) *
Exactly!

What's the harm in believing something that may be a possibility?
It's called exercising an open mind yes.gif

We're all smart when it comes to dead obvious fake stuff, cos I'm sure not all of us forward chain emails for free products from business, based on the claim they're able to trace each person we send an email to laugh.gif

Its called fiction. Not reality.
The Maharaja
Reality is often dependant on the observers perception
Eric Raven The Skeptic
QUOTE (The Maharaja @ May 11 2008, 01:34 PM) *
Reality is often dependant on the observers perception

Yeah. I guess if you are on drugs your perception would be different. Or if someone is 14 years old. Or if someone is 14 years old. no.gif
Fluffybunny
QUOTE (Kerkido @ May 10 2008, 10:17 PM) *
Exactly!

What's the harm in believing something that may be a possibility?
It's called exercising an open mind yes.gif

We're all smart when it comes to dead obvious fake stuff, cos I'm sure not all of us forward chain emails for free products from business, based on the claim they're able to trace each person we send an email to laugh.gif

The harm comes when obviously fake material is presented, which is debunked with supporting material that explains why the original material is fake, and then people continue to say..."well, it could still be real...". Denying reality in the face of pretty good proof is harmful. It is one thing when the debunking is questionable, when there is still doubt, of course people can say that they are reserving judgement for a later date when they have more info to go on, that is a sound logical answer. When you have something that is cut and dry though, and people dont let it go, there is something wrong there.

There are plenty of unknowns in the world, there are a lot of unknown mysteries that havent been completely explained. There are some people that are completely so anti-anything paranormal, that they will never accept any evidence regardless of how reasonable it might be, they will dismiss out of hand without consideration as it does not fit in their narrow frame of how the world works. The polar opposite is the person that sees alien aircraft in everty 737 with blinking landing lights that flies overhead or thinks that every dust mote that reflects in a pictures flash is a demon. We have both kinds of people here and we deal with them regularly. Those people are never going to change. never. One side is going to continue to be haunted every few days with a new fantastic story, and the other side is going to dismiss every new claim they see within minutes of it being posted; obviously not even taking the time to actually study it.

An open mind is a good thing, but we want to keep it from falling out and rolling about on the dusty floor. Being somewhere in between the polar ends is a good idea. The "thinking cap" is a good idea. We want to make sure that we give consideration to claims, but not blindly believe. This case is a good example. The video in question has made the rounds for a while. It was debunked some time ago as a viral marketing video for a retirement/insurance fund of some sort. The company that made the video makes another video explaining the development of the initial video which is presented here, which makes perfect sense.

After the video that explains the development of the initial "time travel" video is presented, from the company that developed it, people still question whether the time travel video is a real time travel video.

I go back to my crop circle example. When you have time lapse video of college students creating an intricate crop circle that had been claimed unbuildable by human beings, only to have those same people watch the time lapse video of the crop circle being built, with the students explaining how they did it, then going on to deny the reality of the fact that the crop circle was faked, there is harm in that.

Sometimes the truth is the truth, even when it goes against what we think is possible; that cuts both ways. I have had to eat crow a couple of times...

So while there are many unknowns out there, this unknown, in fact...is known. Can we time travel? That is open to debate...Is this particular video a time travel video? that debate is closed, it is a viral commercial. We have seen proof supporting that. To think otherwise is I believe not a good perspective to have in my own opinion. That is just my opinion though.
eqgumby
QUOTE (Kerkido @ May 10 2008, 10:49 PM) *
There's nothing wrong in having hope that someday the public/media will release the actual facts! blush.gif

Yeah, right. More of the same wanting to believe so bad, that it MUST be a conspiracy. This is why I can't go to the conspiracy forums too often. There is ALWAYS some BS excuse.

Face it, in this case, MYTH BUSTED. Move on to the next.
Mbyte
I like the way you can't see the older guys face becasue of the sun light....
Blueguardian
Seriously you would think that when or if they built the house they would know that there was a wormhole under their kitchen sink. LOL
Undeadskeptic
Commercial isn't it?
Alienated Being
Even when proof arises... people still find ways to disbelieve it.
Eric Raven The Skeptic
QUOTE (Alienated Being @ May 25 2008, 01:26 PM) *
Even when proof arises... people still find ways to disbelieve it.

And believers don't let truth get in their way.
hocus
in my opinion its a very well done fake. the only thing that catches them out is if you look at the older guys tatoo it looks well fresh like he had it done yesterday theres no way it would look that new would be duller and less in colour. all this is is a greta looklike who had the same tatoo done as him hoping to make abit of money from this.
The Mule
Are some of you reading the posts????? It was a commercial!!!!
Lwilliams
I say, if you experience it, share it. Even if folks don't believe ... it'll make them think.
What a wild video!!!!!!!!!!!!
Moonie2012
IT'S A COMMERCIAL, PEOPLE.
glyndowers heir
QUOTE (Alienated Being @ May 25 2008, 07:26 PM) *
Even when proof arises... people still find ways to disbelieve it.


By the lord harry! (not what i felt like writing for sure!) is this thing still doing the rounds? as michael winner is fond of saying "Calm down dears - its just a commercial!" no.gif
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