He also said that lived at Roswell and knew the people where the 'crafts' were said to come down.
Plus, he said that military and intelligence 'insiders' who were still 'under oath' spoke to him about
'thing' because he'd been an Apollo astronaut.




Sure it was....

Sounds as if that might be entertaining.


I think there ought to be a special font called Sarcastic, just so we can tell.

then there's Bob Lazar, of course... i think his real job at S-4 was filling the vending machines.

Actually, Dr. Edgar Mitchell has made it clear many times that it's his personal opinion that the Roswell debris was an alien space craft. Dr. Mitchell does not state that he has definitive scientific *proof* supporting this hypothesis, just that this is the hypothesis he favors...which is perfectly acceptable.

As to your analogy, I'm not familiar with the show in question, but the footage of Dr. Mitchell is certainly consistent with what I know to be his personal opinion.

I am wondering, but you may be right (although that does require some minimum skill set).

Cheers,
Badeskov

PS: lets hope you haven't let the genie out of the bottle by mentioning his name
PPS: what happened to your yellow rubber duck avatar?

It should be common knowledge by now...the Apollo 11 "UFO" has been discussed at length.
I should venture a guess that anyone affiliated with Apollo, and anyone who has read Neil Armstrong's biography (which is available to everyone interested) is well aware of this long-ago retired subject...what it was, and that it meant absolutely nothing.

What Lilly said!

A hearty "thank you" to Bady... and Moonie2012!

His cover was blown. They ( ) found out that he was really an Illuminati spy, working for the NSA and the CIA, and also, perhaps, the KGB and CNN, to look out for anyone who might know too much about _______ ( <-- insert name of conspiracy of your choice here ), and report back to them*.

But don't tell anyone I told you, will you.

(* A different "Them", obviously. I think this them is something to do with Masons, or possibly Tesla.)

Frankly, I think 'Rubber Duckie' was probably zapped by a Tesla ray..."they" detest it when someone gets near the *truth* ya know!

This is a video with Edgar Mitchell. In it he says he.... 'realises we have been visited many times.' (2.43 mins)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7ByWlRZlq0...;watch_response

This one is with Buzz Aldrin....now how may people know about the UFO that he talks about? And if this
isn't common knowledge....what else might not be common knowledge?
BUZZ ALDRIN TALKS ABOUT UFO DURING APOLLO 11 (3.52 mins)

This video (3.54 mins long).....says some interesting things about official images from the moon
being 'doctored'??? More circumstancial evidence that all MAY not be as we are lead to believe.
Link >>>>>>> ALIEN MOON BASE


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I'm fairly positive it isn't common knowlede when it comes to the general population....
I, myself, only learnt about it days ago!

The subject may have been 'retired' by those who wished to retire it......because of the implications.....

And as for 'it meant absolutely nothing.'.........you wish...!
I wonder if Buzz Aldrin has been informed it meant absolutely nothing....???

The actual footage of the UFO in the Buzz Aldrin short video clip.....at the top....was said to be from
a later mission....but that it was similar to the one seen by Apollo 11 astronauts.
Did that one from the later mission.....mean absolutely nothing, too?

good point bee! looks like more indepth research needed.

And here's a clip where Aldrin explains what they saw. I think it's pretty telling that (as I write this), the clip you link to, where Aldrin recounts the UFO during Apollo 11 has 282,121 views, but the one where he explains what they saw only has 17,268 views.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np45b2Xt-Ww...feature=related

Well, there you have it!




No actually the subject was retired in 1969...because it was rationally understood what it was, and because it had no effect or meaning in relation to anything.




Buzz, the rest of the crew, and Mission Control concluded that a long time ago. It's just that Buzz likes to talk about things, and he has talked about that sighting at length.

The fact of the matter is, the subject was never publically mentioned when they observed it (for very good reasons)...the observations lasted about 45 minutes, and everyone forgot about it because they'd reasoned what it must be, and they had a few more pressing things on their minds at that time...



Yes...

They all say that space is now full of our junk from the trunk. Tens of thousands of small,to large pcs,of old hardware. remember russia and china all have been dumping in space for yrs. I wonder when the first trash day is going to happen in orbit? DONTEATUS

Without a doubt its a hoax. That is ridiculous!

BUZZ ALDRIN TALKS ABOUT UFO DURING APOLLO 11 (3.52 mins)



You are right that he seems to be saying 2 different things....or putting 2 different slants on it....
in the 2 videos...

I've no idea why he would do that.....




I'm still very undecided about the 'Armstrong' video.....but to be honest...I'm leaning a bit more
towards it being genuine.....than I was.

At first viewing it's like......what the....!!...but then after a few viewings and looking
at related stuff on the internet....a feeling creeps in that there's a possibility it could
be genuine. Well, it has for me anyway....

Like I said before...There is nothing to either of those stories. Exciting and entertaining, yes...But nothing, if we are looking for evidence of ET.

When having a dig around regarding the 'planeta encantado' link to the 'Armstrong' video...
I came across this....

DOCUMENTOS SECRETOS DEL PRIMER VIAJE A LA LUNA


Now this is SUPPOSED to be 3.10 minutes long....but it stops and starts all the time so it's MUCH longer...
and very frustrating to try and watch.....

But is it supposed to frustrate the 'viewer'....you have to be EXTREMELY patient to watch it.

Why does it keep stopping and starting? This could be just a 'natural fault' but it's the same with
another video posted by the person who put the one above on...

Lets face it.....it would be a good way to put people off watching something....if it was done
on purpose.

The title of the above video must mean....'Secret document of the first (landing?) on the Moon.'

(unless 'viaje' means 'hoax' in Spanish... ) Anyone know what it means?

There are some very clear shots of an astronaut in a spacesuit...with 02 on his helmet.

I don't know what to make of it.....but the stopping and starting raises my suspicions....

viaje = "journey
tour
travel
trek
trip
voyage"


So I presume it means "Secret documents from first journey to moon" or something along those lines.

Now, MID would know for sure, but I've never seen any picture of Armstrong or Aldrin, or any astronaut, with any numbers on their helmets, so I'[d suspect it.

747400 your right on that apollo didnt put any big 02 on the hats

Thanks for the translation......re. your last comment......you see, this wouldn't put me off....because
I'd think if someone was trying to kid people with a 'hoax' they wouldn't get details like that 'wrong'.
The back-pack of the astronaut, as far as I could tell in a couple of shots...was different to what we're
used to...it looked much more complicated...but I would apply the same logic to that as to the number
on the helmet thing.

It's a very difficult video to watch because of the stopping and starting.....but it MAY be relevent....
in regards to sussing out the 'Armstrong' one...?? Although I'm pretty much scuppered with this video
....because it's so hard to stick with and watch.....and you have to be really into the 'subject' to give
it a go.....

The video in question......

DOCUMENTOS SECRETOS DEL PRIMER VIAJE A LA LUNA




The 'helmets' were also different from the 'usual ones'...?

I hope someone has the stamina/interest to watch it and comment......
Hopefully including someone who is at least 'open' to the 'Armstrong' one
being (possibly) genuine.....but....beggars can't be choosers......

I'll have a look at the video when I've got a moment, but they do do that on Youtube sometimes. It's not necessarily deliberate. If you let it play through, and then play it again, it usually runs without stopping then, I've found. From what i've seen of it so far, it seems too grainy to come to any definite conclusions yet... although that, of course, may be deliberate, i suppose.

Hi bee,

I watched the video. I could comment on it directly, but I think it would be clearer to just give you a link to the exciting first half of this shocking video, titled "Paseo Espacial" (Space Walk). I'm hopeful that this first chapter will clear up any questions you may have about this particular "secret footage."

Here's the YouTube link: Documentos secretos del primer viaje a la Luna -- Paseo Espacial

This was made by the same author and was posted two days earlier than the clip you linked. The video has the same streaming problem as the one you posted. Somehow, though, I don't think it's part of a conspiracy to keep people from watching the video. I found it easier to just pause the video until the entire thing had loaded. If your system allows that, I'd give it a try.

Regards,

Pericynthion

P.S.: I've been pretty busy with a project at work lately, so I haven't been around here at all for quite some time. I've read your other posts in this thread and will try to post some comments over the next few days.

You'd be correct, 747...no numbers on the helmets.
The only markings used were in the latter missions, where the CDRs helmet had the red stripe on it

I'm sorry if this offends you but it only takes common sense to realise on the first veiwing that the video is a fake, for reasons I assumed would be obvious.

I managed to watch a minute of it. I wish they'd kept it a secret .

NS

Yep. There are some things man was not meant to know.

Oh bugger, I feared something that nefarious had happened

Cheers,
Badeskov

Buzz is saying just about exactly the same thing in both clips. It's just that in your first clip, his comments are split up and surrounded by a bunch of sensationalistic tripe. By the way, the clip is from "Apollo 11: The Untold Story." Tabloid television at it's finest ...

Here are Buzz's quotes from that segment:

There was something out there that was close enough to be observed and, uh, what could it be?

<break>

Mike decided he thought he could see it in the telescope and he was able to do that and when it was in one position it had a series of ellipses. But when you made it real sharp it was sort of L-shaped. That didn't tell us very much.

<break>

Now obviously the three of us were not gonna blurt out, "Hey Houston, we got something moving along side of us and we don't know what it is, you know, can you tell us what it is?" We weren't about to do that, 'cause we know that the ... those transmissions would be heard by all sorts of people and, uh, who knows what somebody would've demanded -- that we turn back because of aliens or whatever the reason is. So, we didn't do that, but we did decide ... we just cautiously asked Houston where ... how far away was the S-IVB?

<break>

And a few moments later, why the came back and said something like it was 6000 miles away, because of the maneuver. So we really didn't think we were looking at something that far away. So we decided that after a while of watching it, it was time to go to sleep and not to talk about it anymore until we came back and debriefing.

Other than not getting a chance to explain that the object was likely a discarded SLA panel, Buzz's comments here are just the same as the ones he made on Larry King. He never says they saw anything exotic. Just an object drifting along that they couldn't identify. They were cautious about saying anything on the radio because they knew that certain members of the public would blow things completely out of proportion -- just like they're doing now by perpetuating this non-event as some great mystery. This incident wasn't covered up by NASA. It was written up very clearly in the crew technical debriefing, which was released to the public at the end of 1971. Heck, I remember reading about it in UFO books back in the mid-70s. This is not at all a recent revelation. As MID mentioned, Neil Armstrong's biography states that the trajectory guys at Mission Control figured out the object was most likely one of the four adapter panels that connected the Apollo spacecraft to the Saturn V booster. These panels also enclosed the lunar module and were ejected shortly after leaving earth orbit to allow the Command/Service Module to dock with and extract the LM. The panels were large and would have been drifting along toward the moon on roughly the same trajectory as the Apollo spacecraft.

If you want to read the crew debriefing yourself, you can find a copy here: http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11tecdbrf.html
You'll want to see Volume 1, Section 6.40 -- Rest Periods.


And while we're on this topic, you had posted earlier:


Why don't you call up the producers of the show (Channel 5) and ask them where they got the footage. I think you'll find it's not at all a UFO, but ordinary NASA stock footage. I'm pretty sure it's 16mm film of Apollo 13's discarded service module. Take a look at this comparison:



On the left is a frame grab of the "UFO" from the TV show. On the right is a crop from Apollo 13 Hasselblad photo AS13-58-8478.

Yes...it looks like it's a TOY !
Maybe that was the first TOY to travel to the moon.....




While it seems like Buzz Aldrin's comments MAY have been sensationalised in the original
link that I posted about him.....

It is noted that when it came to explaining what they actually saw....nothing more definite
than most likely is given as an explanation re. the panel.
This means that it wasn't positively identified....one way or the other...

But take heart....because....



I think you're PROBABLY right about that......

But back to the original 'Armstrong' video.....

One of the trains of thought concerning this....is that if it's genuine and not a hoax...
then this means that the question can be asked...."Has information about UFOs and ETs been
kept from the public?"

If it has....then how deep does the deception go?
Deep enough to have found ancient structures on the Moon and kept VERY quiet about it?

By way of circumstancial evidence (again)....one of America's first astronauts, Gordon Cooper,
is on record talking about his beliefs re. UFOs + ETs....and has also written a book about it...

The quote below is from >>>>>>HERE





Gordon Cooper can also be seen here talking about his experiences....re. UFOs

the link>>>>>>NASA GORDON COOPER, UFO ARE VISITING EARTH

Fine then, no one reply to my post...

There wasn't really much to reply to......was there?
You have your opinion....to which you are entitled.

Maybe THIS reply will satisfy you...?

uhh, no it doesnt.
now, watching spongebob and telling my little cousin that what hes Actually watching isnt real, takes common sense. and you shoooould get that on the first try (if not....then......youre mental).
but for this vid, youd just say that in this case because you dont believe in the first place, because this is too far fetched for you.
theres a big difference. put the opinions/beliefs aside, and then you analyze things.

But Mulder Spongebob is real...

Actually I attack things with an open mind, thus I believe many things because the rational evidence seems to support them (Ivory Billed Woodpecker for existence) I analyze then form opinions.

It seemed obvious to me because I have explore virtual maps of the moons surface and have enough pictures to know that that is not what the moon looks like.

I think that you, Agent.Mulder, attack every story you hear thinking it's going to be true. IMO.

Bee...the film is fake...


This is what an Apollo Astronaut looked like standing in the sunlight on the Moon:




Note the brilliant sun in the visor and the illumination the Sun provides to the scene.
Compare this to the youtube film, where an "astronaut " obviously has a stage light reflecting on the surface of the face plate of the helmet, in dim light...darkness even. No such thing exists on the Moon... it was broad daylight, not some artificial blue dim light filmed with a grainy low grade camera....


You'll also note the movement of the "astronaut", which is completely contrary to any observed 1/6 phenomenon, and that 02 on his square hat, which didn't exist, as you can clearly see from an actual photo...

Have you ever actually watched footage of an Apollo lunar EVA?


This is really a no-brainer...

I don't think you've noticed...but that particular video ( NOT the one that this thread is about....the other one)
was dropped a few days ago.....see quotes above.

Oh I did notice it...

Did you note that the original video this thread was about...the Hoagland deal, was shredded some time ago (it's not difficult where Hoagland is concerned)?

I was commenting about the nonsense in the latter video.

I have quoted my opening post to bring to your notice that it was not about 'the Hoagland deal'......
it was on that page, but as I said... I couldn't get the direct link to the 'Ancient Structure on the Moon filmed by
Armstrong, 1969' to come up......so perhaps NOW you can watch the video that this thread is about....

Perhaps you're not aware but Richard Hoagland has a book Dark Mission that deals with all sorts of stuff that NASA is supposed to have kept secret/covered up etc. The video in question is supposedly part of the *evidence* (I use the term loosely) Mr. Hoagland uses to promote his rather creative ideas in the aforemention book.

I had no idea that Richard Hoagland used the 'video in question' (ie what the topic is about) in his book.
This is indeed very heartening news for me....as I have watched the Richard Hoagland interviews on
the Project Camelot site and I was very impressed with him, his approach to his subject and his ideas/data.

Three excellent (IMO) interviews with Richard Hoagland can be viewed>>>HERE

He didn't mention the 'Armstrong' video in the interviews...if I remember right....but as he did talk
about ancient glass? structures on the moon...it is relevent to the thread.

The book I believe, is a best seller......so as I've got interested in all this stuff, maybe I'll get it.

Thanks Lilly..... (I mean that...I'm not being sarcastic)

negative
i attack every story while being...somewhat biased. ill admit that, because i wish many things to be true. and many skeptics dont like to admit their already biased towards what theyre looking at as being fake. However, ill get as much info as i can on it before making my final judgment. example, george adamski. i was quite skeptical of his 'encounters'. and it paid off because they were faked.

...and i wish spongebob was real. Damn i love him

Then we are not so different after all Agent. Mulder.

Spongebob seriously proves it's hip to be square.

*Off topic* Have you seen the trailer for the new X-Files movie? Seems a little lackluster to me, but I'm still going to see it the day it comes out.

I know.
That video was addressed as well...it was fake, very fake, amateurishly so.




It probably is relevant.
But ancient glass is in fact a constituent of lunar soil.
However, "ancient glass structures" are figments of Hoagland's imagination...