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I have a mind-bending YouTube video for you.
OK......The Title of the video is..Ancient Structure on the Moon Filmed by Armstrong 1969
Take a look before you dismiss it out of hand....
The person who posted it is NAlexo....who only posted this ONE video on YouTube.
The possibilities for this video is 1 complete hoax. 2 genuine video obtained from somewhere
and posted by someone unknown.....or....3 genuine video posted by Armstrong himself.
Note user-name of poster...NAlexo......NA.....Neil Armstrong? I looked up lexo in the dictionary...there
are only 3 words starting with lex and thy all pertain to the greek word lexis... word.
After watching the video it is interesting to go to the full list of comments and read
what 'NAlexo' says....there's a couple of hundred...but I just scrolled down to 'NAlexo's' ones and
any that he was linking HIS comments to.
Now.....I tried to link directly to the video....but I couldn't get it to come up...maybe it's to do with it
being 'feature related'...????
So...I have linked to a page where the said video can be found....on the right where related videos are.
It's 4.36 minutes long......
YOUTUBE PAGE WHERE LINK CAN BE FOUND
For what purpose would this information be hidden?
Wouldn't NASA's funding go through the roof, if something like this was really there?
Wouldn't NASA's funding go through the roof, if something like this was really there?
Hogland. Good grief. 
Some people believe anything.
Some people believe anything.
QUOTE (supervike @ May 9 2008, 08:23 PM) 
For what purpose would this information be hidden?
THAT is the million dollar question!
And very difficult for an 'outsider' and 'ordinary person' to really know....the motives can only
be guessed at.....or researched on the beloved internet....
QUOTE
Wouldn't NASA's funding go through the roof, if something like this was really there?
Well, maybe.....it WOULD have.....but if they are found to have kept a monumental secret
from the public.....then NOW...they could be in deep, you-know-what.
Lets say for a moment that that IS a genuine video...and indicates that a secret/lie has been
perpetrated for MANY years.....well.....NASA etc are now in a VERY tricky position....how to
explain WHY the public have been kept in the dark. The longer the secret is kept (if there is a
HUGE secret) then the harder it is to justify.
The guy states on the recording that he was told that Mars has a population of 600 million that look like us. Thats just pathetic. He is delusional.
QUOTE (Eric Raven The Skeptic @ May 9 2008, 08:36 PM)
Hogland. Good grief. Some people believe anything.
Some people believe anything.I think you have looked at the wrong video....pay attention now.....please re-read opening post..
QUOTE (Eric Raven The Skeptic @ May 9 2008, 08:41 PM)
The guy states on the recording that he was told that Mars has a population of 600 million that look like us. Thats just pathetic. He is delusional.
Wrong video, Eric.......but just for the record......you are quoting/refering to John Lear...in
another video.....that this thread is NOT about.....and I have reservations about John Lear, myself.
Sailor Moon and the rest of the Sailor Scouts have a castle and moon base.
Maybe this will be a start but it does not look like google has mapped it all:
http://www.google.com/moon/
Maybe this will be a start but it does not look like google has mapped it all:
http://www.google.com/moon/
QUOTE (bee @ May 9 2008, 02:45 PM)
Wrong video, Eric.......but just for the record......you are quoting/refering to John Lear...in
another video.....that this thread is NOT about.....and I have reservations about John Lear, myself.
another video.....that this thread is NOT about.....and I have reservations about John Lear, myself.
Sorry. I just used link at bottom, but any supposed structures on the moon is just a bit silly in my opinion.
Oh, this video again - it's not directly the link, it's on the page of the link. They are roaming through a structure.
Definite hoax. It's a pueblo in New Mexico or somewhere, I've seen pics of it in an article that debunks the whole thing - I looked into it myself. Sorry, can't remember where.
Definite hoax. It's a pueblo in New Mexico or somewhere, I've seen pics of it in an article that debunks the whole thing - I looked into it myself. Sorry, can't remember where.
I watched it. You can't conclude anything from that video. I think they did it so blurry on purpose. It is just a bunch of conjecture. Bee you don't really believe that do you? Come on. Anyone could have faked that.
QUOTE (bee @ May 9 2008, 02:39 PM)
The longer the secret is kept (if there is a
HUGE secret) then the harder it is to justify.
HUGE secret) then the harder it is to justify.
I'd believe this for an individual, but not for an organization. It's quite easy to blame everything on 'past adminstration'....in fact, that is usually the first order of business!!
But, true or not (and I am heavily on the NOT side)...it's very fun to explore, and adds lots of 'what if' type questions. I think I do recall something about this one being in the Southwest too....
I browsed through the video's comments and I noted one from the original poster NAlexo claiming that "NATO has identified 57 alien species." Now, I'd love to see where he pulls that kind of info up!!
QUOTE (Eric Raven The Skeptic @ May 9 2008, 08:53 PM)
Sorry. I just used link at bottom, but any supposed structures on the moon is just a bit silly in my opinion.
Well...we're all entitled to our opinions.....
QUOTE (Moonie2012 @ May 9 2008, 08:54 PM)
Definite hoax. It's a pueblo in New Mexico or somewhere, I've seen pics of it in an article that debunks the whole thing - I looked into it myself. Sorry, can't remember where.
Perhaps you'll remember soon....because I'd like to see that article.....
QUOTE (Eric Raven The Skeptic @ May 9 2008, 08:56 PM)
Bee you don't really believe that do you? Come on. Anyone could have faked that.
I am CONSIDERING that it MAY be genuine....yes.
It COULD have been faked....of course....but the question is....WAS it?
This video has been on UM before, it looked fake then and still does...
QUOTE (Clovis @ May 9 2008, 08:51 PM)
Sailor Moon and the rest of the Sailor Scouts have a castle and moon base.
Maybe this will be a start but it does not look like google has mapped it all:
http://www.google.com/moon/
Maybe this will be a start but it does not look like google has mapped it all:
http://www.google.com/moon/
Cheers for google map.....even if they can block stuff out...it's STILL interesting....
QUOTE (supervike @ May 9 2008, 08:59 PM)
I browsed through the video's comments and I noted one from the original poster NAlexo claiming that "NATO has identified 57 alien species." Now, I'd love to see where he pulls that kind of info up!!
I'm glad you looked at the comments, because I think they are part of the 'detective work' re. the video
in question.
Now....if someone was going to MAKE SOMETHING UP.....they wouldn't say 57 alien species.....I don't
think they would anyway....I think they would say one or two.....but 57...is so 'far out' that I actually
think the number is an indicator that it wasn't a made up number.....if I am making myself clear....
QUOTE (bee @ May 9 2008, 03:14 PM)
Now....if someone was going to MAKE SOMETHING UP.....they wouldn't say 57 alien species.....I don't
think they would anyway....I think they would say one or two.....but 57...is so 'far out' that I actually
think the number is an indicator that it wasn't a made up number.....if I am making myself clear....
think they would anyway....I think they would say one or two.....but 57...is so 'far out' that I actually
think the number is an indicator that it wasn't a made up number.....if I am making myself clear....
Yeah, it struck me as a very odd thing to say.
Of course, you realize, Heinz did the same thing with their steak sauce....
Had it just been Heinz 2 or 3, it would have never worked!....but those crazy fools went right to this!
QUOTE (supervike @ May 9 2008, 09:20 PM)
Yeah, it struck me as a very odd thing to say.
Of course, you realize, Heinz did the same thing with their steak sauce....
Had it just been Heinz 2 or 3, it would have never worked!....but those crazy fools went right to this!
Of course, you realize, Heinz did the same thing with their steak sauce....
Had it just been Heinz 2 or 3, it would have never worked!....but those crazy fools went right to this!
That made me laugh.......but.......one part of the big-old-secret.....I think.....is that 'those in theknow' like to drop in stuff here and there....to have a bit of a laugh.....
Sooooooooo......do the HEINZ family know something? Or are they just a saucey bunch of sauce makers....
The article was easy enough for me to find when I was reading up about it. I'm not going to bother to find it again, and I doubt you will accept it even if I do.
Either way, it's out there for the googling. Research is your friend.
Either way, it's out there for the googling. Research is your friend.
QUOTE (bee @ May 9 2008, 03:29 PM)
That made me laugh.......but.......one part of the big-old-secret.....I think.....is that 'those in theknow' like to drop in stuff here and there....to have a bit of a laugh.....
Sooooooooo......do the HEINZ family know something? Or are they just a saucey bunch of sauce makers....
Actually, the heiress to the Heinz sauce family is Teresa Heinz, who is married to John Kerry, powerful senator and former Presidential candidate.
And we all know he is a 'Skull and Crossbones' fraternity brother (as is George Bush)...
HOW DEEP DOES THIS GO!!!
QUOTE (supervike @ May 9 2008, 08:43 PM)
Actually, the heiress to the Heinz sauce family is Teresa Heinz, who is married to John Kerry, powerful senator and former Presidential candidate.
And we all know he is a 'Skull and Crossbones' fraternity brother (as is George Bush)...
HOW DEEP DOES THIS GO!!!
Well......the detective work throws up a LIVE lead.......what a turn up!!
Maybe that advertising slogan 'Beanz Meanz Heinz'.......should have bean, I mean been.....
Alien Beingz meanz heinz........
....re Apollo astronauts....
This is a video with Edgar Mitchell and he isn't adverse to the posibilities of ET....(2.43 minutes long)
In fact he says he.... 'realises we have been visited many times.'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7ByWlRZlq0...;watch_response
This is a video with Edgar Mitchell and he isn't adverse to the posibilities of ET....(2.43 minutes long)
In fact he says he.... 'realises we have been visited many times.'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7ByWlRZlq0...;watch_response
Bummer. After some checking, I can't buy this as real, but I did find a bunch of cool videos. My findings:
Interesting, really. The poster of the vid remarks about "planeta encantado" several times. When one checks this, they find links like http://digital.el-esceptico.org/leer.php?a...739&tema=64
it refers in passing to this video as being a fake:
"To begin with, Benitez has no hesitation in using digital animation to provide footage of "world first". Por ejemplo, nos enseña unas imágenes que probarían supuestamente que Armstrong y Aldrin encontraron en 1969 en la Luna una base alienígena de miles de años de antigüedad y que "Estados Unidos usó armas tácticas y nucleares" para destruirla. For example, teaches us some pictures to prove that Armstrong and Aldrin allegedly found in 1969 on the Moon alien base of thousands of years old and that "the United States used nuclear weapons and tactics" to destroy it. En realidad, se trata de un video creado por la empresa guipuzcoana Dibulitoon, que utilizó programas de animación digital como Lightwave 3D, 3ds Max o After Effects. In reality, this is a video created by the company Dibulitoon Guipuzcoa, which used digital animation programs such as Lightwave 3D, 3ds Max or After Effects. "
This search will get you 18 pretty cool responses of videos: http://video.aol.com/video-search/query/ta...g:%20%22luna%22
One of those looks familiar.... Mirlo Rojo Parte #5.... http://video.aol.com/video-detail/mirlo-ro...te-5/1173885304
Sweet job, to watch the whole of it, including onboard filming etc, and the section is clearer in this, however, a simulation it is, like a computer game scenery, to be that smooth and level and flowing, even degraded to mimic 60's lunar photography.
JMO,
NS
Interesting, really. The poster of the vid remarks about "planeta encantado" several times. When one checks this, they find links like http://digital.el-esceptico.org/leer.php?a...739&tema=64
it refers in passing to this video as being a fake:
"To begin with, Benitez has no hesitation in using digital animation to provide footage of "world first". Por ejemplo, nos enseña unas imágenes que probarían supuestamente que Armstrong y Aldrin encontraron en 1969 en la Luna una base alienígena de miles de años de antigüedad y que "Estados Unidos usó armas tácticas y nucleares" para destruirla. For example, teaches us some pictures to prove that Armstrong and Aldrin allegedly found in 1969 on the Moon alien base of thousands of years old and that "the United States used nuclear weapons and tactics" to destroy it. En realidad, se trata de un video creado por la empresa guipuzcoana Dibulitoon, que utilizó programas de animación digital como Lightwave 3D, 3ds Max o After Effects. In reality, this is a video created by the company Dibulitoon Guipuzcoa, which used digital animation programs such as Lightwave 3D, 3ds Max or After Effects. "
This search will get you 18 pretty cool responses of videos: http://video.aol.com/video-search/query/ta...g:%20%22luna%22
One of those looks familiar.... Mirlo Rojo Parte #5.... http://video.aol.com/video-detail/mirlo-ro...te-5/1173885304
Sweet job, to watch the whole of it, including onboard filming etc, and the section is clearer in this, however, a simulation it is, like a computer game scenery, to be that smooth and level and flowing, even degraded to mimic 60's lunar photography.
JMO,
NS
In my opinion, it doesnt look like any of the other lunar videos that I have seen, this has a CG, manipulated filtered look to it. It doesnt look like it was filmed at 1/6 gravity either, the movement wasnt quite right. I have a program that I used to make new videos look like black and white old movies, it also puts a random scratch down the screen from time to time, that looks all to much like that same black line we see in the clip, same goes for the luminosity and color filters.
Plus, you just simply cant hide something of this scale. It doesnt make sense to either. Nasa has everything to gain by exposing such things...they can show that something else is out there and they need the funding to find out what it is. The cashflow and support would make the Apollo funding look like chump change.
Plus, you just simply cant hide something of this scale. It doesnt make sense to either. Nasa has everything to gain by exposing such things...they can show that something else is out there and they need the funding to find out what it is. The cashflow and support would make the Apollo funding look like chump change.
The first video was debunked very well by Pericynthion in the thread below.
Ancient structures on the moon?
Ancient structures on the moon?
QUOTE (bee @ May 9 2008, 07:31 PM)
I have a mind-bending YouTube video for you.
OK......The Title of the video is..Ancient Structure on the Moon Filmed by Armstrong 1969
Take a look before you dismiss it out of hand....
OK......The Title of the video is..Ancient Structure on the Moon Filmed by Armstrong 1969
Take a look before you dismiss it out of hand....
Hoagland and Lear!! You might aswell have thrown in Donald Duck.
These guys are famous for their pseudo crap, and they have made a fortune of the gullible. I saw the clip..Ancient Structure on the Moon Filmed by Armstrong!! Dumbest thing Iv heard, in a long time.
QUOTE (theSOURCE @ May 9 2008, 04:42 PM)
The first video was debunked very well by Pericynthion in the thread below.
Ancient structures on the moon?
Ancient structures on the moon?
Oh, awesome job done, too! He found some of my findings and more. Thanks for the link, Source!
NS
QUOTE (Nile_Shaman @ May 9 2008, 10:35 PM)
Bummer. After some checking, I can't buy this as real, but I did find a bunch of cool videos. My findings:
Interesting, really. The poster of the vid remarks about "planeta encantado" several times. When one checks this, they find links like http://digital.el-esceptico.org/leer.php?a...739&tema=64
it refers in passing to this video as being a fake:
Interesting, really. The poster of the vid remarks about "planeta encantado" several times. When one checks this, they find links like http://digital.el-esceptico.org/leer.php?a...739&tema=64
it refers in passing to this video as being a fake:
Well....I personally wouldn't worry about 'a passing reference'.....anyone can make 'a passing reference'
.and as it's all in Spanish it's hard/impossible to know what's being said etc.....
(unless you speak Spanish of course.....)
QUOTE
One of those looks familiar.... Mirlo Rojo Parte #5.... http://video.aol.com/video-detail/mirlo-ro...te-5/1173885304
Again....this isn't really very helpful as it's in Spanish...with weird spooky music and heart beat like
background sounds.....I'm too tired tonight but I'll try and find out more about 'planeta encantado'
tomorrow. Hopefully...in English!!
But thanks anyway....I think....
..........QUOTE (bee @ May 9 2008, 05:02 PM)
Well....I personally wouldn't worry about 'a passing reference'.....anyone can make 'a passing reference'
.and as it's all in Spanish it's hard/impossible to know what's being said etc.....
(unless you speak Spanish of course.....)
Again....this isn't really very helpful as it's in Spanish...with weird spooky music and heart beat like
background sounds.....I'm too tired tonight but I'll try and find out more about 'planeta encantado'
tomorrow. Hopefully...in English!!
But thanks anyway....I think.... ..........
.and as it's all in Spanish it's hard/impossible to know what's being said etc.....
(unless you speak Spanish of course.....)
Again....this isn't really very helpful as it's in Spanish...with weird spooky music and heart beat like
background sounds.....I'm too tired tonight but I'll try and find out more about 'planeta encantado'
tomorrow. Hopefully...in English!!
But thanks anyway....I think....
..........Check the thread mentioned a couple posts up, it is obviously a fake video. Even a cursory glance of the evidence presented will show you this.
QUOTE (theSOURCE @ May 9 2008, 10:42 PM)
The first video was debunked very well by Pericynthion in the thread below.
Ancient structures on the moon?
Ancient structures on the moon?
I will look into this so called de-bunking more tomorrow.....but......my first thought is why would this
NAlexo go to the trouble of presenting a hoax video...and then in so many words tell everyone
it's a hoax....that doesn't make sense to me.....especially with the other comments that they made
after the YouTube video.......
QUOTE (hazzard @ May 9 2008, 10:53 PM)
Hoagland and Lear!! You might aswell have thrown in Donald Duck. These guys are famous for their pseudo crap, and they have made a fortune of the gullible. I saw the clip..
These guys are famous for their pseudo crap, and they have made a fortune of the gullible. I saw the clip..The video wasn't from them or about them......but it has to be said that Hoagland in particular
has rattled a few cages. I'm not sure about Lear.....but anyone reading Hazzards comment above
should take it with a pinch (bucket) of salt....and look into what Hoagland in particular has to offer.
Anyway....did you miss your plane to Stockholm, or something????
http://digital.el-esceptico.org/leer.php?a...739&tema=64
it refers in passing to this video as being a fake:
"To begin with, Benitez has no hesitation in using digital animation to provide footage of "world first". Por ejemplo, nos enseña unas imágenes que probarían supuestamente que Armstrong y Aldrin encontraron en 1969 en la Luna una base alienígena de miles de años de antigüedad y que "Estados Unidos usó armas tácticas y nucleares" para destruirla. For example, teaches us some pictures to prove that Armstrong and Aldrin allegedly found in 1969 on the Moon alien base of thousands of years old and that "the United States used nuclear weapons and tactics" to destroy it. En realidad, se trata de un video creado por la empresa guipuzcoana Dibulitoon, que utilizó programas de animación digital como Lightwave 3D, 3ds Max o After Effects. In reality, this is a video created by the company Dibulitoon Guipuzcoa, which used digital animation programs such as Lightwave 3D, 3ds Max or After Effects. "
No Spanish needed. It was translated for you. I don't speak Spanish fluently either, but it was made in that language, and probably why there was no soundtrack in the supposed top secret clip snuck to youtube by "Neil Armstrong".
At best, the clip was just to hopefully get people to notice a TV series, hence the mentions repeatedly of the television show, despite efforts to seem as if it was an astronaut in the know posting back to comments.
I want to believe, too, but I need evidence that can be supported, not shot down by one google search. In the other thread, he also compares imagery of the real astronauts and went to more effort than I did.
Still, as a sci fi view, the clips of the whole of it are fun to watch. I hadn't seen these before, so thanks.
NS
it refers in passing to this video as being a fake:
"To begin with, Benitez has no hesitation in using digital animation to provide footage of "world first". Por ejemplo, nos enseña unas imágenes que probarían supuestamente que Armstrong y Aldrin encontraron en 1969 en la Luna una base alienígena de miles de años de antigüedad y que "Estados Unidos usó armas tácticas y nucleares" para destruirla. For example, teaches us some pictures to prove that Armstrong and Aldrin allegedly found in 1969 on the Moon alien base of thousands of years old and that "the United States used nuclear weapons and tactics" to destroy it. En realidad, se trata de un video creado por la empresa guipuzcoana Dibulitoon, que utilizó programas de animación digital como Lightwave 3D, 3ds Max o After Effects. In reality, this is a video created by the company Dibulitoon Guipuzcoa, which used digital animation programs such as Lightwave 3D, 3ds Max or After Effects. "
No Spanish needed. It was translated for you. I don't speak Spanish fluently either, but it was made in that language, and probably why there was no soundtrack in the supposed top secret clip snuck to youtube by "Neil Armstrong".
At best, the clip was just to hopefully get people to notice a TV series, hence the mentions repeatedly of the television show, despite efforts to seem as if it was an astronaut in the know posting back to comments.
I want to believe, too, but I need evidence that can be supported, not shot down by one google search. In the other thread, he also compares imagery of the real astronauts and went to more effort than I did.
Still, as a sci fi view, the clips of the whole of it are fun to watch. I hadn't seen these before, so thanks.
NS
QUOTE (supervike @ May 9 2008, 09:20 PM)
Yeah, it struck me as a very odd thing to say.
Of course, you realize, Heinz did the same thing with their steak sauce....
Had it just been Heinz 2 or 3, it would have never worked!....but those crazy fools went right to this!
Of course, you realize, Heinz did the same thing with their steak sauce....
Had it just been Heinz 2 or 3, it would have never worked!....but those crazy fools went right to this!
QUOTE (Nile_Shaman @ May 9 2008, 11:00 PM)
Thanks for the link, Source!
There seems to be a bit of a 'sauce' theme building up here.......and I am reminded of the
saying......'what's sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander'.......
QUOTE (bee @ May 9 2008, 05:24 PM)
I will look into this so called de-bunking more tomorrow.....but......my first thought is why would this
NAlexo go to the trouble of presenting a hoax video...and then in so many words tell everyone
it's a hoax....that doesn't make sense to me.....especially with the other comments that they made
after the YouTube video.......
The video wasn't from them or about them......but it has to be said that Hoagland in particular
has rattled a few cages. I'm not sure about Lear.....but anyone reading Hazzards comment above
should take it with a pinch (bucket) of salt....and look into what Hoagland in particular has to offer.
Anyway....did you miss your plane to Stockholm, or something????
NAlexo go to the trouble of presenting a hoax video...and then in so many words tell everyone
it's a hoax....that doesn't make sense to me.....especially with the other comments that they made
after the YouTube video.......
The video wasn't from them or about them......but it has to be said that Hoagland in particular
has rattled a few cages. I'm not sure about Lear.....but anyone reading Hazzards comment above
should take it with a pinch (bucket) of salt....and look into what Hoagland in particular has to offer.
Anyway....did you miss your plane to Stockholm, or something????
He has plenty of BS to offer. You are right.
After being shown in several ways this is fake, it seems kind of sad you would choose to believe it anyway.
What is this desperate need to believe? I will never uderstand it.
For some reason I knew the OP wouldn't accept the fact that this is a fake, no matter how good the evidence proving so.
Firstly I will point out that these alleged structures dont really look like anything without the use of a bit of imagination. This is just like the picture of the martian figure. There are plenty of opportunities to look at the moon, I would have thought, given the presence of a spaceport there would be many UFO sightings, that wouldnt take much more than a cheap telescope. Plus the guy states that there is a fission reactor that glows blue? I think he was talking about Cherenkov radiation which occurs when light is slowed down, normally when passing through Deuterium, you certainly wouldnt expect this effect to occur on the moon with no atmospheric medium to slow much at all.
Clearly another odd bod with a little too much time and uspent energy I think.
Clearly another odd bod with a little too much time and uspent energy I think.
QUOTE (Nile_Shaman @ May 9 2008, 11:36 PM)
At best, the clip was just to hopefully get people to notice a TV series, hence the mentions repeatedly of the television show, despite efforts to seem as if it was an astronaut in the know posting back to comments.
This comment is noted........and filed into the......'possiblity' section of my brain....
But.....I've been around this forum long enough not to be swayed by the 'in-house' sceptics...
(don't mean you....you have sprung up as an unknown quantity for me....)
so I'll need to look into it more myself.......
QUOTE (Eric Raven The Skeptic @ May 9 2008, 11:40 PM)
After being shown in several ways this is fake, it seems kind of sad you would choose to believe it anyway.
Yes...it's sad that I don't just believe the sceptics and de-bunkers, automatically....
QUOTE
What is this desperate need to believe? I will never uderstand it.
Never mind.......here's some help......'desperate need to believe' is not the same as
'willing to look at speculation and possibility'.....
QUOTE (Moonie2012 @ May 9 2008, 11:41 PM)
For some reason I knew the OP wouldn't accept the fact that this is a fake, no matter how good the evidence proving so.
I am aware of the sceptic-tactics....of pushing people into a defensive position....but.....just this once..
I haven't accepted or rejected the validity of the video being discussed.....yet.....
QUOTE
Thanks for the link, Source!
QUOTE (bee @ May 9 2008, 04:37 PM)
There seems to be a bit of a 'sauce' theme building up here.......and I am reminded of the
saying......'what's sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander'.......
saying......'what's sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander'.......
I don't understand what you mean by your post. Would you mind explaining?
QUOTE (bee @ May 9 2008, 05:50 PM)
This comment is noted........and filed into the......'possiblity' section of my brain....
But.....I've been around this forum long enough not to be swayed by the 'in-house' sceptics...
(don't mean you....you have sprung up as an unknown quantity for me....)
so I'll need to look into it more myself.......
But.....I've been around this forum long enough not to be swayed by the 'in-house' sceptics...
(don't mean you....you have sprung up as an unknown quantity for me....)
so I'll need to look into it more myself.......
Understood, Bee. I am a thinker and questioner, but pray God not a hardcore sceptic, nor a gullible fool in the other extreme. I really wanted to buy these clips, but I will always check if I can find a lead and this was disappointing to me and I just wanted to share what I found to the topic. I *assume* we all desire truth, not just kewl stuff to see and pretend. The wooden details just begged to get the whole of it debunked if nothing else was off. Like, a spaceship would transport 2 x 4's to make something.....
BTW, that one link to aol, it has the whole show and others that guy did, and it is fun to watch. The clip you found was just a bit of it, editted out and probably filmed on the guy's TV when it showed. He had his own reasons, or else maybe this is a form of viral marketting, but given how bad the quality was compared to the show itself, he may have done it for his own entertainment. I never have known why some people like trying to fake others out and waste their time.
Thanks again for the original link. It was fun.
NS
I watched both the Lear and Armstrong videos, and I'm sorry, but can I have my 15 minutes back now?
I didn't see buildings in the Lear bit, and the Armstrong show was too fuzzy most of the time to make out anything.
All told, I'm glad I didn't pay anything to watch that.
-Signed,
Spoilsport in Sausalito
I didn't see buildings in the Lear bit, and the Armstrong show was too fuzzy most of the time to make out anything.
All told, I'm glad I didn't pay anything to watch that.
-Signed,
Spoilsport in Sausalito
QUOTE (bee @ May 9 2008, 11:24 PM)
The video wasn't from them or about them......but it has to be said that Hoagland in particular has rattled a few cages. I'm not sure about Lear.....but anyone reading Hazzards comment above should take it with a pinch (bucket) of salt....and look into what Hoagland in particular has to offer.
Anyway....did you miss your plane to Stockholm, or something????
Anyway....did you miss your plane to Stockholm, or something????
Hoagland is a joke. Just go to his enterprise mission.com site and it should become obvious.
And about my trip to the Swedish capital, they have this little thing there selling now, its called a laptop.
this must be THE most genuine video of a supposed alien structure that ive ever seen
also if u look near the end of the video u will see an astronaught with his space suit on ..........now i may be wrong but i didnt think that u could get those even fake ones unless they were for space missions
also the only thing that made me think it was fake was one of the comments bye NAlexo where he said the structures no longer exist beause the goverment nuked them but if they were nukd then wouldnt there have been sighting of an immense light on the moon which would have only encouraged the belief in aliens
also if u look near the end of the video u will see an astronaught with his space suit on ..........now i may be wrong but i didnt think that u could get those even fake ones unless they were for space missions
also the only thing that made me think it was fake was one of the comments bye NAlexo where he said the structures no longer exist beause the goverment nuked them but if they were nukd then wouldnt there have been sighting of an immense light on the moon which would have only encouraged the belief in aliens
QUOTE (Elite @ May 10 2008, 08:22 AM)
this must be THE most genuine video of a supposed alien structure that ive ever seen
also if u look near the end of the video u will see an astronaught with his space suit on ..........now i may be wrong but i didnt think that u could get those even fake ones unless they were for space missions
also the only thing that made me think it was fake was one of the comments bye NAlexo where he said the structures no longer exist beause the goverment nuked them but if they were nukd then wouldnt there have been sighting of an immense light on the moon which would have only encouraged the belief in aliens
also if u look near the end of the video u will see an astronaught with his space suit on ..........now i may be wrong but i didnt think that u could get those even fake ones unless they were for space missions
also the only thing that made me think it was fake was one of the comments bye NAlexo where he said the structures no longer exist beause the goverment nuked them but if they were nukd then wouldnt there have been sighting of an immense light on the moon which would have only encouraged the belief in aliens
In regards to the astronaut's space suit: movie studios have made them, and I would imagine a "civilian" could just as easily make one for use in a fake homemade movie. After all, fans have made their own Star Trek episodes, and made their own costumes. Why wouldn't it be possible to make a space suit that's passable enough for a fuzzy movie?
QUOTE (theSOURCE @ May 9 2008, 09:42 PM)
The first video was debunked very well by Pericynthion in the thread below.
Ancient structures on the moon?
Ancient structures on the moon?
I've taken a closer look at this post..above...and although the links to the Spanish sites etc...are in
themselves quite a strong indicator that it could be a hoax....there are some things that give pause for
thought....
For example.....Pericynthion makes a big thing of the back-packs of the astronauts being just 'boxes'
and not being in two sections....ie. a smaller section being on the top....well for a start...if someone was
going to make a half-decent hoax...I think they would take the trouble to get a detail like this right...
But when you look at the video that I linked to.....at 1.00 minutes an astronaut passes through the shot
and they clearly have a back-pack that IS in the 'required' two sections.....so what's all that about?
If it's an out and out hoax....why get the pack right in one shot and wrong in another?
I surpose the question is....COULD the video itself have been 'tampered with' to give de-bunkers thier
'material'?
The shots of the astronauts and their very square back-packs are in what he links as 'the clearer version?'
But even here there are occasions where there are faint lines that would be where the back-pack 'gap'
would be.....( 0.33 mins, 2.47 mins, 3.57 mins 4.27 mins) So...is it possible that they have been changed
to look like boxes (duff props?) And IF they have been changed....then this would mean that there was
a REASON to change them....which would be...because they're genuine???
Looking at this through the eyes of a detective is fun!...
(even if it does your head in) There is also the matter of the shot of 'the window' where a lot is made of the absence of the American
flag....again....surely in a half-decent hoax they would get THAT bit right....what purpose could there be
to obscure (or leave it out) it deliberately?
The shape of the helmets is a bit of a non-starter because it's all to do with the angle....and the questioning
of the colour of the gloves....is also a weak point...
I'm also puzzled why people were talking about there being 'WOOD' in the structures...where did that
assuption come from?? and how could anyone tell from the video??
QUOTE (Elite @ May 10 2008, 12:22 PM)
this must be THE most genuine video of a supposed alien structure that ive ever seen
also if u look near the end of the video u will see an astronaught with his space suit on ..........now i may be wrong but i didnt think that u could get those even fake ones unless they were for space missions
also the only thing that made me think it was fake was one of the comments bye NAlexo where he said the structures no longer exist beause the goverment nuked them but if they were nukd then wouldnt there have been sighting of an immense light on the moon which would have only encouraged the belief in aliens
also if u look near the end of the video u will see an astronaught with his space suit on ..........now i may be wrong but i didnt think that u could get those even fake ones unless they were for space missions
also the only thing that made me think it was fake was one of the comments bye NAlexo where he said the structures no longer exist beause the goverment nuked them but if they were nukd then wouldnt there have been sighting of an immense light on the moon which would have only encouraged the belief in aliens
Hi, Elite......as I said in the OP....it's all a bit mind-bending....and looking into it more....it still is!
I'm still undecided what to make of it......there is obviously a very close connection with the
'planeta encantado' TV show/documentary? Is it just hoax it? Or is there
another layer to the whole thing?
That bit about nuking the structures is a weird bit..... I agree. Don't know what to make of that.
There's another possibility to the whole thing.....that it was a reconstruction of what actually happened...?
I've heard it proposed at times that....although 'we' did land on the moon.... substitute footage was
created for the public so that things like 'structures' could be keep right out of the picture....
Not saying I definitely believe that....but I have heard it said.
QUOTE (Elite @ May 10 2008, 07:22 AM)
this must be THE most genuine video of a supposed alien structure that ive ever seen
also if u look near the end of the video u will see an astronaught with his space suit on ..........now i may be wrong but i didnt think that u could get those even fake ones unless they were for space missions
also the only thing that made me think it was fake was one of the comments bye NAlexo where he said the structures no longer exist beause the goverment nuked them but if they were nukd then wouldnt there have been sighting of an immense light on the moon which would have only encouraged the belief in aliens
also if u look near the end of the video u will see an astronaught with his space suit on ..........now i may be wrong but i didnt think that u could get those even fake ones unless they were for space missions
also the only thing that made me think it was fake was one of the comments bye NAlexo where he said the structures no longer exist beause the goverment nuked them but if they were nukd then wouldnt there have been sighting of an immense light on the moon which would have only encouraged the belief in aliens
I'm mildly confused here, although, mind you, this is nothing unusual. There is a very, seemingly, popular, conspiracy theory that says that "we never went to the moon", as numerous very lengthy threads seem to indicate. However, when it comes to proof that they are covering up evidence of alien civilisations, then, suddenly, we did go to the moon, and them (the governement, NASA, the usual suspects) are covering it all up.
i wish people would make up their minds...
i wish people would make up their minds...
QUOTE (747400 @ May 11 2008, 07:36 AM)
I'm mildly confused here, although, mind you, this is nothing unusual. There is a very, seemingly, popular, conspiracy theory that says that "we never went to the moon", as numerous very lengthy threads seem to indicate. However, when it comes to proof that they are covering up evidence of alien civilisations, then, suddenly, we did go to the moon, and them (the governement, NASA, the usual suspects) are covering it all up.
I think the idea is that we are SUPPOSED to be confused.....
The following quote is from the transcript of interview 2 with Richard Hoagland......
It's from....>>>>>>>THIS SITE
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Hoagland: In my mind there is zero probability - and I rarely use the words ‘zero probability' - that the lunar landings were faked. Given all the politics, given the Nazi back story of what they were looking for, given von Braun, given the Kennedy-Khrushchev thing. Why would we go if there wasn't something there to go for?
But the actual proof that this is not done in a studio and is actually for real, comes from an anecdotal story of my own eye-witness testimony. Meaning, I was at JPL when we made the transition from Downey up to JPL to cover the Mariner 6 and Mariner 7 missions. I was there as someone in the auditorium was being squired around by the head of NASA Public Affairs for JPL, named Frank Bristo, who was walking this guy around who was putting some little pamphlet on every reporter's seat in the auditorium.
And then he was led outside to hand personally a copy of this memo or whatever it was, to every reporter who was in the press room waiting for one of the press conferences to begin. So I got one and I read it and I was flabbergasted. Because here was a guy, being officially sponsored by a NASA official, handing out a document that said: “The entire Apollo 11 mission was just completed in a studio, a sound stage in Nevada, and the whole thing is a fake."
And I wish I had kept that document! We're now looking for some reporter who at the time, as a sidebar, like “isn't it cute what happens around these missions” actually published the story based on that two page mimeo handout. Because somebody had to have done it. Possibly at the Pasadena Star News, which is one place we're looking. Possibly even in the New York Times.
I haven't looked. I haven't had time to look. The point is that there were other reporters, both well-known and no-one-will-ever-hear-of-them reporters... a thousand people covering those missions in those days. Somebody had to have kept, just as an historical anachronism, a copy of that memo.
Now what that means, as I say in Dark Mission, is politically NASA itself was starting the rumor before Neil and Buzz and Mike Collins even got home, that Apollo was a fake. Why would NASA, in their wildest dreams, be starting a rumor that would mature 30 years down the road? The answer is: inoculation.
The answer is that if it ever came out that there was real stuff there that they were hiding, they could divert the conspiracy crowd to the fake conspiracy that we never went to the moon, by planting the seeds - by planting the meme in the culture - generations before. Which would then bear fruit, which it did on Fox Television. (Gosh, Fox television. That's interesting.) And it would divert those people from asking the real question, which of course, is: what did they find on the moon, and when did they find it, and when did they decide to lie about it for all these years?
But the actual proof that this is not done in a studio and is actually for real, comes from an anecdotal story of my own eye-witness testimony. Meaning, I was at JPL when we made the transition from Downey up to JPL to cover the Mariner 6 and Mariner 7 missions. I was there as someone in the auditorium was being squired around by the head of NASA Public Affairs for JPL, named Frank Bristo, who was walking this guy around who was putting some little pamphlet on every reporter's seat in the auditorium.
And then he was led outside to hand personally a copy of this memo or whatever it was, to every reporter who was in the press room waiting for one of the press conferences to begin. So I got one and I read it and I was flabbergasted. Because here was a guy, being officially sponsored by a NASA official, handing out a document that said: “The entire Apollo 11 mission was just completed in a studio, a sound stage in Nevada, and the whole thing is a fake."
And I wish I had kept that document! We're now looking for some reporter who at the time, as a sidebar, like “isn't it cute what happens around these missions” actually published the story based on that two page mimeo handout. Because somebody had to have done it. Possibly at the Pasadena Star News, which is one place we're looking. Possibly even in the New York Times.
I haven't looked. I haven't had time to look. The point is that there were other reporters, both well-known and no-one-will-ever-hear-of-them reporters... a thousand people covering those missions in those days. Somebody had to have kept, just as an historical anachronism, a copy of that memo.
Now what that means, as I say in Dark Mission, is politically NASA itself was starting the rumor before Neil and Buzz and Mike Collins even got home, that Apollo was a fake. Why would NASA, in their wildest dreams, be starting a rumor that would mature 30 years down the road? The answer is: inoculation.
The answer is that if it ever came out that there was real stuff there that they were hiding, they could divert the conspiracy crowd to the fake conspiracy that we never went to the moon, by planting the seeds - by planting the meme in the culture - generations before. Which would then bear fruit, which it did on Fox Television. (Gosh, Fox television. That's interesting.) And it would divert those people from asking the real question, which of course, is: what did they find on the moon, and when did they find it, and when did they decide to lie about it for all these years?
(I added the 'bold')
In the interviews (and 'stills' of his data in the transcripts)....Hoagland puts forward some very interesting stuff.
About ancient structures on the moon.
And this is why the YouTube video....of supposed footage of Armstrong filming 'ancient structures' on the moon in 1969...
might, just might, not be so 'wacky'....as it seems at first.
But as I said in a few posts back....there may be more than one layer to consider.....about it all.
As far as I'm concerned.......the jury is still out.......as to whether it's a complete hoax, the real thing....or maybe a
reconstruction of some kind....
You know, that kind of makes some sense, there.
I'm not necessarily saying Richard Hoagland himself makes sense, but his argument there, kind of makes some sense. Put the story about that they didn't go to the moon, to cover up what they actually found.
I'm not necessarily saying Richard Hoagland himself makes sense, but his argument there, kind of makes some sense. Put the story about that they didn't go to the moon, to cover up what they actually found.
It's not a hard and fast rule, mind you, but when someone has a bombshell like documented proof we didn't go to the moon, but then says,
And by the way, reading the rest of Bee's Hoagland quote, I just get the image of Captain Queeg in my mind for some reason....
Just as a thought exercise, what do you (everyone) think would've happened if NASA did fake the moon landing (which I don't believe for a second they did), and were found out, a la Watergate? Wouldn't that be an awfully large risk, given what was at stake (the Cold War)? Wouldn't it be better, and cheaper in all possible contexts, to actually do it and fail rather than fake it?
As for ancient structures, the Soviets sent probes to the Moon during the Cold War, and yet there doesn't seem to be any hue and cry from their records, especially after perestroika and glasnost. Why not? And if there is documentation, has it been published in any sort of scientific journal (I know the Soviets had legitimate scientists who published in mainstream journals of various disciplines)?
QUOTE (Hoagland by Bee)
And I wish I had kept that document!
and there's no backup documentation.....then that should raise the red flag. And by the way, reading the rest of Bee's Hoagland quote, I just get the image of Captain Queeg in my mind for some reason....
Just as a thought exercise, what do you (everyone) think would've happened if NASA did fake the moon landing (which I don't believe for a second they did), and were found out, a la Watergate? Wouldn't that be an awfully large risk, given what was at stake (the Cold War)? Wouldn't it be better, and cheaper in all possible contexts, to actually do it and fail rather than fake it?
As for ancient structures, the Soviets sent probes to the Moon during the Cold War, and yet there doesn't seem to be any hue and cry from their records, especially after perestroika and glasnost. Why not? And if there is documentation, has it been published in any sort of scientific journal (I know the Soviets had legitimate scientists who published in mainstream journals of various disciplines)?
i'm sure that the us government moved a structure as big as hoover damn,strapped it on the back of a LEM,and hauled it to the moon.
or hell,maybe they got the justice league to move it there,or used some of the 6oo million martians to build it.there we go putting the most illegal aliens ever on government payroll!!!!!
or hell,maybe they got the justice league to move it there,or used some of the 6oo million martians to build it.there we go putting the most illegal aliens ever on government payroll!!!!!
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