Okay.. first off I'm very sorry if this isn't welcome here. But I really need an answer.. something really really weird happened to me.
I've been at college hours away from my home. It was my freshmen year.
Today I came home from college, I live with my grandma and grandpa, and they told me something quite freaky.
Grandma told me she heard someone come up the stairs and the way it sounded was quite like how I walk up the stairs..
She said "Who's there?!" (my grandpa can't climb stairs and this is going on at 1am) She looked and *I* came up the stairs.
This can't be true because I was at college!! And the next day I had a Chinese exam at 8am. She went on to tell me that I said "Grandma.. it's me. I have a tummy ache."
I did have a horrible "tummy ache" that night (when I'm talking to my grandma I would call it a 'tummy ache' too). She got really scared because I was a. home from college at 1am when i had an exam at 8am b. wearing a poofy lacey purple dress she never saw me wear before and c. had no way to get home even! She got really worried she said and picked up the remote to the tv to put the tv on mute and when she turned away "I" was gone. She blew it off as her being tired and worried about me.
The next day she told my grandpa what she had seen and before doing so she asked him not to laugh or think she was crazy. After she told him he laughed and grandma said "i knew you'd laugh at me!" Grandpa then said.. "that's not why i'm laughing.. i'm laughing because she came into the living and sat on the sofa and talked to me before she went upstairs. All she said was 'Hello' and asked me how I was doing. Then she went upstairs. I thought she got a ride here early and went to bed because it was so late."
They both described the dress I was wearing the same way...... and I do not own this dress. Nor have I ever seen one like it. It was purple, poofy, and lacey.
Okay now, I know my grandma and grandpa wouldn't ever make up such or story. Especially my grandpa. He just really isn't like that and I wanted to talk to him more about this but he kinda refused and blew it off.
Does anyone know what just happened or have any theories?
Full Version: Can anyone tell what's happening?
That is really...freaky.....
I know... I don't want to go to sleep. 
I don't know what to think or where to start to even try to explain this.
I kinda want to think they were just making that up... but I know my grandparents wouldn't do that to me.
I don't know what to think or where to start to even try to explain this.
I kinda want to think they were just making that up... but I know my grandparents wouldn't do that to me.
Getting past the fact someone could be lying it's very interesting. I wonder if you had any strange dreams or thoughts that night?
I kinda wish they were lying. My grandma told my uncle before she told me. And what's kinda funny is when I was moving my stuff from the van to my house I lifted a really heavy box the wrong way and if felt like something ripped in my uh I don't know what you'd call it, lower abdominal area? Anyways I was laughing and told uncle Brian about how "weak" I am and how he should have helped me, then his eyes got really big and he looked kinda scared and wanted to take me to a doctor to check my tummy out.
But that night I did have a bad tummy ache and was upset because I couldn't sleep and had an exam in my hardest class.. a 5 credit Chinese course. Which was worth so much of my final grade. I remember that night she "saw" me I couldn't sleep very well and felt guilty because I had an exam and needed to sleep.. but I spent most the night in a sleeping but kinda awake state.
But that night I did have a bad tummy ache and was upset because I couldn't sleep and had an exam in my hardest class.. a 5 credit Chinese course. Which was worth so much of my final grade. I remember that night she "saw" me I couldn't sleep very well and felt guilty because I had an exam and needed to sleep.. but I spent most the night in a sleeping but kinda awake state.
QUOTE (wishs @ May 9 2008, 11:52 PM) 
I kinda wish they were lying. My grandma told my uncle before she told me. And what's kinda funny is when I was moving my stuff from the van to my house I lifted a really heavy box the wrong way and if felt like something ripped in my uh I don't know what you'd call it, lower abdominal area? Anyways I was laughing and told uncle Brian about how "weak" I am and how he should have helped me, then his eyes got really big and he looked kinda scared and wanted to take me to a doctor to check my tummy out.
But that night I did have a bad tummy ache and was upset because I couldn't sleep and had an exam in my hardest class.. a 5 credit Chinese course. Which was worth so much of my final grade. I remember that night she "saw" me I couldn't sleep very well and felt guilty because I had an exam and needed to sleep.. but I spent most the night in a sleeping but kinda awake state.
But that night I did have a bad tummy ache and was upset because I couldn't sleep and had an exam in my hardest class.. a 5 credit Chinese course. Which was worth so much of my final grade. I remember that night she "saw" me I couldn't sleep very well and felt guilty because I had an exam and needed to sleep.. but I spent most the night in a sleeping but kinda awake state.
Hi,
To me this sounds like you had an unconscious OR Accidental episode of Astral travel/ projection. When people consciously try to to this they are told to relax to be more successful. But when one does this accidentally, from everything I have read, I believe stress and anxiety can actually enable the act. Things like sleepwalking, and night terrors seem to occur more often when someone's stressed. It is said that Night terrors occur between the conscious and unconscious stages of sleep. Put that w/ the fact that your mind was working overtime and you didn't feel as if you were completely asleep a lot of the night...I think this lead to an accidental astral travel/ projection. And where did you go? Home to your Grandparents. A place where you felt safe. I bet you were trying to escape the stresses of the exams and such. You just wanted to go home where you felt safe and loved.
From what you said about them, I seriously doubt that your Grandparents are lying. Although strange for you and your family, if you talk about this you need to tell them that apparently you were trying to come home where you felt comfortable, safe, and loved. So much so that you were doing it in your sleep!
I don't know what they'll think but to me it is a testament to the strong bonds and love in your family! HTH,
Take care,
star****
Welcome aboard.
One item is more important than the anomalous event.
Brian's concern is that you may have suffered a hernia, which is a lively possibility, and would be well worth having checked out by a healthcare provider, even if you have had no distress since. Hernias are both common and straightforward, a nurse practitioner can probably settle the matter if all is OK, and that would only take a few minutes. In contrast, the complications of unhealed or unrepaired hernias are nasty business, and can occur long after the original injury.
Apart from that, what you report is that two people who care about you had mild, transient hallucinations of your visiting. The two people have apparently lived together for a long time, and were subject to the same situation and conditions on the night in question. That they would think alike, and might react similarly to a creaky stair and such is reasonably likely. That they would be thinking about you "on the eve" of your return home is predictable.
"Tummy" distress is in play. Brian is in contact with them, and was distressed whenever the possible hernia incident happened. So, maybe he said something about it to them, and that became grist for the mill. "Poofy lacey purple dress" has a broad target cross-section, too.
It is a reportable incident, and it was good of you to post. Thank you. I hope that all went well with your Chinese exam, and please do consider having that abdominal injury checked out.
One item is more important than the anomalous event.
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when I was moving my stuff from the van to my house I lifted a really heavy box the wrong way and if felt like something ripped in my ... lower abdominal area? ... he looked kinda scared and wanted to take me to a doctor to check my tummy out.
Brian's concern is that you may have suffered a hernia, which is a lively possibility, and would be well worth having checked out by a healthcare provider, even if you have had no distress since. Hernias are both common and straightforward, a nurse practitioner can probably settle the matter if all is OK, and that would only take a few minutes. In contrast, the complications of unhealed or unrepaired hernias are nasty business, and can occur long after the original injury.
Apart from that, what you report is that two people who care about you had mild, transient hallucinations of your visiting. The two people have apparently lived together for a long time, and were subject to the same situation and conditions on the night in question. That they would think alike, and might react similarly to a creaky stair and such is reasonably likely. That they would be thinking about you "on the eve" of your return home is predictable.
"Tummy" distress is in play. Brian is in contact with them, and was distressed whenever the possible hernia incident happened. So, maybe he said something about it to them, and that became grist for the mill. "Poofy lacey purple dress" has a broad target cross-section, too.
It is a reportable incident, and it was good of you to post. Thank you. I hope that all went well with your Chinese exam, and please do consider having that abdominal injury checked out.
QUOTE (wishs @ May 10 2008, 05:23 AM)
Okay.. first off I'm very sorry if this isn't welcome here. But I really need an answer.. something really really weird happened to me.
I've been at college hours away from my home. It was my freshmen year.
Today I came home from college, I live with my grandma and grandpa, and they told me something quite freaky.
Grandma told me she heard someone come up the stairs and the way it sounded was quite like how I walk up the stairs..
She said "Who's there?!" (my grandpa can't climb stairs and this is going on at 1am) She looked and *I* came up the stairs.
This can't be true because I was at college!! And the next day I had a Chinese exam at 8am. She went on to tell me that I said "Grandma.. it's me. I have a tummy ache."
I did have a horrible "tummy ache" that night (when I'm talking to my grandma I would call it a 'tummy ache' too). She got really scared because I was a. home from college at 1am when i had an exam at 8am b. wearing a poofy lacey purple dress she never saw me wear before and c. had no way to get home even! She got really worried she said and picked up the remote to the tv to put the tv on mute and when she turned away "I" was gone. She blew it off as her being tired and worried about me.
The next day she told my grandpa what she had seen and before doing so she asked him not to laugh or think she was crazy. After she told him he laughed and grandma said "i knew you'd laugh at me!" Grandpa then said.. "that's not why i'm laughing.. i'm laughing because she came into the living and sat on the sofa and talked to me before she went upstairs. All she said was 'Hello' and asked me how I was doing. Then she went upstairs. I thought she got a ride here early and went to bed because it was so late."
They both described the dress I was wearing the same way...... and I do not own this dress. Nor have I ever seen one like it. It was purple, poofy, and lacey.
Okay now, I know my grandma and grandpa wouldn't ever make up such or story. Especially my grandpa. He just really isn't like that and I wanted to talk to him more about this but he kinda refused and blew it off.
Does anyone know what just happened or have any theories?
I've been at college hours away from my home. It was my freshmen year.
Today I came home from college, I live with my grandma and grandpa, and they told me something quite freaky.
Grandma told me she heard someone come up the stairs and the way it sounded was quite like how I walk up the stairs..
She said "Who's there?!" (my grandpa can't climb stairs and this is going on at 1am) She looked and *I* came up the stairs.
This can't be true because I was at college!! And the next day I had a Chinese exam at 8am. She went on to tell me that I said "Grandma.. it's me. I have a tummy ache."
I did have a horrible "tummy ache" that night (when I'm talking to my grandma I would call it a 'tummy ache' too). She got really scared because I was a. home from college at 1am when i had an exam at 8am b. wearing a poofy lacey purple dress she never saw me wear before and c. had no way to get home even! She got really worried she said and picked up the remote to the tv to put the tv on mute and when she turned away "I" was gone. She blew it off as her being tired and worried about me.
The next day she told my grandpa what she had seen and before doing so she asked him not to laugh or think she was crazy. After she told him he laughed and grandma said "i knew you'd laugh at me!" Grandpa then said.. "that's not why i'm laughing.. i'm laughing because she came into the living and sat on the sofa and talked to me before she went upstairs. All she said was 'Hello' and asked me how I was doing. Then she went upstairs. I thought she got a ride here early and went to bed because it was so late."
They both described the dress I was wearing the same way...... and I do not own this dress. Nor have I ever seen one like it. It was purple, poofy, and lacey.
Okay now, I know my grandma and grandpa wouldn't ever make up such or story. Especially my grandpa. He just really isn't like that and I wanted to talk to him more about this but he kinda refused and blew it off.
Does anyone know what just happened or have any theories?
This is my theory..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppelg%C3%A4nger
Okay now, I know my grandma and grandpa wouldn't ever make up such or story. Especially my grandpa. He just really isn't like that and I wanted to talk to him more about this but he kinda refused and blew it off.
Does anyone know what just happened or have any theories?
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sounds like your doppleganger was there for comfort from your grandma...
Taken from the Wiki link JustNormal provided - "It is widely known that one must actually touch a doppleganger to die."
Oh yeah that widely known cause of death "touch of the doppleganger". Come off it! That's just ridiculous...
Oh yeah that widely known cause of death "touch of the doppleganger". Come off it! That's just ridiculous...
Thank you guys! 
My grandma thought it could have been astro projection too... hmm..
Last night I had trouble sleeping, I was terrified I would see "myself."
Ayeee.. I was so freaked out when grandma told me.
My worst and most irrational fear was that some demon taken on my figure or something..
My grandma thought it could have been astro projection too... hmm..
Last night I had trouble sleeping, I was terrified I would see "myself."
Ayeee.. I was so freaked out when grandma told me.
My worst and most irrational fear was that some demon taken on my figure or something..
There could be a few differant reasons for this.The biggest one that stands out in my mind, that often times when close family members are going through something rough, another family member will sence what is going on somehow.I tend to think that this is something that has to do with the psycic realm.It has been a common occurance for say a mother to know that her daughter is hurt or even the other way around when they are hundreds or even thousands of miles away.IMHO it just goes to show us all how strong the bonds we have can actually be.
I wouldn't nesisarily say that this was a case of a doppleganger, but here is a thread that was started a couple of days ago for you to check out.
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...howtopic=125500
I wouldn't nesisarily say that this was a case of a doppleganger, but here is a thread that was started a couple of days ago for you to check out.
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...howtopic=125500
I've had a similar experience. Except in my case my friend Mike and I both saw myself walk into my room. Not at the same time though. I saw me walk into my room first and continued to follow whatever it was only to find my room was empty, and then a few minutes later Mike walked into my room talking to me. I was in the living room at the time and he walked out confused saying he saw me walk in there.
QUOTE (wishs @ May 10 2008, 01:33 PM)
Thank you guys!
My grandma thought it could have been astro projection too... hmm..
Last night I had trouble sleeping, I was terrified I would see "myself."
Ayeee.. I was so freaked out when grandma told me.
My worst and most irrational fear was that some demon taken on my figure or something..
My grandma thought it could have been astro projection too... hmm..
Last night I had trouble sleeping, I was terrified I would see "myself."
Ayeee.. I was so freaked out when grandma told me.
My worst and most irrational fear was that some demon taken on my figure or something..
You're most welcome. Whether it was Astral projection, Doppleganger, or something else try not to worry. It's not irrational to worry about, or fear something that you can't explain w/ absolute certainty. But again, try not to let it bother you too much. Given the circumstances I still say that whatever happened had to do w/ you being stressed out, wishing the exam was over, and wanting to be someplace you felt relaxed and happy. And somewhere in your subconscious....you found a way to get there. So how could a demon have anything to do w/ you being in a place w/ the people you love have anything to do w/ what happened? Answer: It couldn't!
As far as what eight bits said:
"Apart from that, what you report is that two people who care about you had mild, transient hallucinations of your visiting. The two people have apparently lived together for a long time, and were subject to the same situation and conditions on the night in question. That they would think alike, and might react similarly to a creaky stair and such is reasonably likely. That they would be thinking about you "on the eve" of your return home is predictable."
This is a crock of BS!
Two normal people would not suddenly suffer from the same hallucination w/ no prior history of hallucinating and no drug use on the same night! It's ok to be a skeptic eight bits but give us a break! Is this the best you got? 
Tell her that her Grandparents are suddenly hallucinating? Geeshhhhh!Take care and try to relax.
BTW/ how did you do on your test?
star****
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Two normal people would not suddenly suffer from the same hallucination w/ no prior history of hallucinating and no drug use on the same night!
The OP does not report two people having the same hallucination together, but rather two separate hallucinatory episodes with a common theme. The theme was appropriate to their common situation. The events occur at about one o'clock in the morning. Both people are apparently physically relaxed when each event occurs.
Episodic hallucination is normal, particularly during near-sleep mental states. Every adult has a "history" of it.
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This is a crock of BS!
The OP asked "Does anyone know what just happened or have any theories?" I answered. What is bulls**t is to disparage another person with whom you disagree.
QUOTE (eight bits @ May 12 2008, 04:53 AM)
The OP does not report two people having the same hallucination together, but rather two separate hallucinatory episodes with a common theme. The theme was appropriate to their common situation. The events occur at about one o'clock in the morning. Both people are apparently physically relaxed when each event occurs.
Episodic hallucination is normal, particularly during near-sleep mental states. Every adult has a "history" of it.
The OP asked "Does anyone know what just happened or have any theories?" I answered. What is bulls**t is to disparage another person with whom you disagree.
Episodic hallucination is normal, particularly during near-sleep mental states. Every adult has a "history" of it.
The OP asked "Does anyone know what just happened or have any theories?" I answered. What is bulls**t is to disparage another person with whom you disagree.
eight bits, I apologize for being so cranky and jumping your but.
I don't usually talk to people that way. Even when they deserve it. Look at some of my other post. Forgive me?? 
I would never have said anything like that if it had been a post to me. Unfortunatlly I always seem to jump to defend others when I fell like they are being wronged. The crusader role ya know? And yeah, I know that 's my problem. Again, Please forgive me? I know that the icedents wer 2 separate one's w/ a simular theme. But they did occur in close proximity to one another. I still don't believe that they were hallucinating. I tried doing a search and got a bunch of Schizoaffective and Schizophrenia links. Can you please post some links about people experiencing/sharing these episodic hallucinations So maybe we can all better understand what you are saying?
On a personal note: I am an emotional wreck right now. No excuse I know, just a fact.
star****
QUOTE (starlight64 @ May 12 2008, 10:44 PM)
eight bits, I apologize for being so cranky and jumping your but. I don't usually talk to people that way. Even when they deserve it. Look at some of my other post. Forgive me?? I would never have said anything like that if it had been a post to me. Unfortunatlly I always seem to jump to defend others when I fell like they are being wronged. The crusader role ya know? And yeah, I know that 's my problem. Again, Please forgive me?
I know that the icedents wer 2 separate one's w/ a simular theme. But they did occur in close proximity to one another. I still don't believe that they were hallucinating. I tried doing a search and got a bunch of Schizoaffective and Schizophrenia links. Can you please post some links about people experiencing/sharing these episodic hallucinations So maybe we can all better understand what you are saying?
On a personal note: I am an emotional wreck right now. No excuse I know, just a fact.
star****
I don't usually talk to people that way. Even when they deserve it. Look at some of my other post. Forgive me?? I would never have said anything like that if it had been a post to me. Unfortunatlly I always seem to jump to defend others when I fell like they are being wronged. The crusader role ya know? And yeah, I know that 's my problem. Again, Please forgive me? I know that the icedents wer 2 separate one's w/ a simular theme. But they did occur in close proximity to one another. I still don't believe that they were hallucinating. I tried doing a search and got a bunch of Schizoaffective and Schizophrenia links. Can you please post some links about people experiencing/sharing these episodic hallucinations So maybe we can all better understand what you are saying?
On a personal note: I am an emotional wreck right now. No excuse I know, just a fact.
star****
^^ It's okay Star, thanks for defending my grandparents, and thank you to bits for the theory!
My aunt heard the story from my grandma on mothers day, yesterday, and she's very into this kind of stuff.
She said she was going to take me to Lillidale, which is a psychi fair, to see what they think! Very interesting!
When I do I'll post here what they said!
Here are some link about lillydale:
http://www.lilydaleassembly.com/
It's very interesting, it's a whole town that's full of spiritualism.
The introduction to this article which appeared in Behavioral and Brain Sciences may be a place to start:
http://www.bbsonline.org/Preprints/Collert...s/Collerton.pdf
The article is mainly about recurrent hallucinations, but the introduction has some good pointers into the prevalence literature for isolated hallucinations, too.
As to the rest, no problem. All is forgiven. We are at peace.
Wishs, it is not disrespectful to theorize about someone having a hallucination. I hope you didn't take it that way when I did so regarding your grandparents.
http://www.bbsonline.org/Preprints/Collert...s/Collerton.pdf
The article is mainly about recurrent hallucinations, but the introduction has some good pointers into the prevalence literature for isolated hallucinations, too.
As to the rest, no problem. All is forgiven. We are at peace.
Wishs, it is not disrespectful to theorize about someone having a hallucination. I hope you didn't take it that way when I did so regarding your grandparents.
Oh no I'm sorry, I didn't mean it that way. My words were bad, sorry bits.
I just wanted to comfort you both, haha sorry..
I just wanted to comfort you both, haha sorry..
QUOTE (wishs @ May 12 2008, 07:07 PM)
^^ It's okay Star, thanks for defending my grandparents, and thank you to bits for the theory!
My aunt heard the story from my grandma on mothers day, yesterday, and she's very into this kind of stuff.
She said she was going to take me to Lillidale, which is a psychi fair, to see what they think! Very interesting!
When I do I'll post here what they said!
Here are some link about lillydale:
http://www.lilydaleassembly.com/
It's very interesting, it's a whole town that's full of spiritualism.
My aunt heard the story from my grandma on mothers day, yesterday, and she's very into this kind of stuff.
She said she was going to take me to Lillidale, which is a psychi fair, to see what they think! Very interesting!
When I do I'll post here what they said!
Here are some link about lillydale:
http://www.lilydaleassembly.com/
It's very interesting, it's a whole town that's full of spiritualism.
YW. People have told me in the past when I feel like someone I love, OR someone weaker is being threatened I sometimes react like a "Mother Tiger, teeth and claws bared" to help or protect them. I too have a VERY close relationship w/ my Grandparents. So I think that's why I went to my aggressive, protector place. I don't usually do it on the boards though. Example: Many years ago while tending bar in a small town where my Grandparents and I lived at the time; a extra drunken regular customer was bumping into, being rude, and cussing a lot of the other patrons. After he bumped into my Grandpa (one of the all around nice guys that never met someone who didn't like him) 3 or 4 times, my Grandpa told him to watch and stop it. He proceeded to cuss my Grandpa w/ some of the foulest language you can imagine all the while getting closer and closer acting like he was going to grab or hit him. Before I even knew how I got there (I didn't remember coming around the bar), I was face to face w/ Roy (the drunk) holding him by his shirt collar in front w/ both hands. He was nearly off the floor and I was taking him to the door when my boss (the owner) talked me into turning loose of him. That drunk was the Town Mayor!
Lillidale sounds like it will be fantastic! You are lucky to have such an awesome Aunt!
TC and have fun at the fair!
star****
QUOTE (eight bits @ May 12 2008, 08:17 PM)
The introduction to this article which appeared in Behavioral and Brain Sciences may be a place to start:
http://www.bbsonline.org/Preprints/Collert...s/Collerton.pdf
The article is mainly about recurrent hallucinations, but the introduction has some good pointers into the prevalence literature for isolated hallucinations, too.
As to the rest, no problem. All is forgiven. We are at peace.
Wishs, it is not disrespectful to theorize about someone having a hallucination. I hope you didn't take it that way when I did so regarding your grandparents.
http://www.bbsonline.org/Preprints/Collert...s/Collerton.pdf
The article is mainly about recurrent hallucinations, but the introduction has some good pointers into the prevalence literature for isolated hallucinations, too.
As to the rest, no problem. All is forgiven. We are at peace.
Wishs, it is not disrespectful to theorize about someone having a hallucination. I hope you didn't take it that way when I did so regarding your grandparents.
8 bits,
Thank you. I'm glad we are at peace.
Thanks for the article. Unfortunately, even w/ my 2 Associates Degree's (Accounting and Criminal Justice), I could not find a reference to 2 close people having similar hallucinations. Psychology and Sociology was never my strong suit. I have trouble wading through those scientific articles.
I found myself skimming before too long. Then though, I went back and read the beginning through the end of the introduction , then skimmed some more. Still, I could not find what I was looking for. HELP? 
Thanks,
star****
Apparently, I misunderstood what you were looking for. The strong statement I was on the hook for was that occasional hallcuination is a normal part of adult life, and so that is what I backed up.
The problem for search about "shared" hallucination is that this case is not the psychologically interesting case of two people, together and in contact with each other, simultaneously having the same hallucination. This is two separate experiences. "Nearsies" don't count.
Searches are apt to turn up folie a deux, in French an everyday expression, but in English, the clinical name for a psychiatric disorder. And folie a deux in the clinical sense really is an attention grabber, since it involves not only the hallucination (or delusion) itself, but a failure of the most usual "reality check" mechanism, "Did you see that?" and often has a persistence component as well.
Those additional elements are absent from the current report. That is why "nearsies" don't count. No reality check was made and failed in this case. Each person was on their own in the sea of perception at the end of the day, or beginning of the next.
Also, looking back over our exchange, I see what is doubtless my fault, that we have focused on the very narrowest sense of hallucination. There is a whole other category of experience, the false wakening dream, which is also common and may be almost impossible to distinguish after the fact from waking hallucination, even for the person involved.
So, you and I simply reach different conclusions about the significance of the common content of the two experiences.
In general, the content of both dreams and hallucinations is often meaningful and relevant to the situation of the person having the experience. It is unsurprising to me, therefore, that two closely associated people in the same situation with presumably similar views and concerns would, if they dreamt or hallucinated at all, dream or hallucinate similarly.
Of course, if the visitation actually happened, then that, too, would account for the similarity of the experiences.
The problem for search about "shared" hallucination is that this case is not the psychologically interesting case of two people, together and in contact with each other, simultaneously having the same hallucination. This is two separate experiences. "Nearsies" don't count.
Searches are apt to turn up folie a deux, in French an everyday expression, but in English, the clinical name for a psychiatric disorder. And folie a deux in the clinical sense really is an attention grabber, since it involves not only the hallucination (or delusion) itself, but a failure of the most usual "reality check" mechanism, "Did you see that?" and often has a persistence component as well.
Those additional elements are absent from the current report. That is why "nearsies" don't count. No reality check was made and failed in this case. Each person was on their own in the sea of perception at the end of the day, or beginning of the next.
Also, looking back over our exchange, I see what is doubtless my fault, that we have focused on the very narrowest sense of hallucination. There is a whole other category of experience, the false wakening dream, which is also common and may be almost impossible to distinguish after the fact from waking hallucination, even for the person involved.
So, you and I simply reach different conclusions about the significance of the common content of the two experiences.
In general, the content of both dreams and hallucinations is often meaningful and relevant to the situation of the person having the experience. It is unsurprising to me, therefore, that two closely associated people in the same situation with presumably similar views and concerns would, if they dreamt or hallucinated at all, dream or hallucinate similarly.
Of course, if the visitation actually happened, then that, too, would account for the similarity of the experiences.
well maybe it was your spiritual self wishing to tell them something or show them something that you want to do or are feeling at the momment...
well what i know from the whole seeing things that are not there are that your granmother and grandfater had a memory of a past life of some sort... chances are that most past lives are usually re-lived with your grandparents not parents or brothers because they do not have the right sense of mind so to speaak... no that is too confuesing...
well what i know from the whole seeing things that are not there are that your granmother and grandfater had a memory of a past life of some sort... chances are that most past lives are usually re-lived with your grandparents not parents or brothers because they do not have the right sense of mind so to speaak... no that is too confuesing...
QUOTE (wishs @ May 9 2008, 09:23 PM)
Okay.. first off I'm very sorry if this isn't welcome here. But I really need an answer.. something really really weird happened to me.
I've been at college hours away from my home. It was my freshmen year.
Today I came home from college, I live with my grandma and grandpa, and they told me something quite freaky.
Grandma told me she heard someone come up the stairs and the way it sounded was quite like how I walk up the stairs..
She said "Who's there?!" (my grandpa can't climb stairs and this is going on at 1am) She looked and *I* came up the stairs.
This can't be true because I was at college!! And the next day I had a Chinese exam at 8am. She went on to tell me that I said "Grandma.. it's me. I have a tummy ache."
I did have a horrible "tummy ache" that night (when I'm talking to my grandma I would call it a 'tummy ache' too). She got really scared because I was a. home from college at 1am when i had an exam at 8am b. wearing a poofy lacey purple dress she never saw me wear before and c. had no way to get home even! She got really worried she said and picked up the remote to the tv to put the tv on mute and when she turned away "I" was gone. She blew it off as her being tired and worried about me.
The next day she told my grandpa what she had seen and before doing so she asked him not to laugh or think she was crazy. After she told him he laughed and grandma said "i knew you'd laugh at me!" Grandpa then said.. "that's not why i'm laughing.. i'm laughing because she came into the living and sat on the sofa and talked to me before she went upstairs. All she said was 'Hello' and asked me how I was doing. Then she went upstairs. I thought she got a ride here early and went to bed because it was so late."
They both described the dress I was wearing the same way...... and I do not own this dress. Nor have I ever seen one like it. It was purple, poofy, and lacey.
Okay now, I know my grandma and grandpa wouldn't ever make up such or story. Especially my grandpa. He just really isn't like that and I wanted to talk to him more about this but he kinda refused and blew it off.
Does anyone know what just happened or have any theories?
I've been at college hours away from my home. It was my freshmen year.
Today I came home from college, I live with my grandma and grandpa, and they told me something quite freaky.
Grandma told me she heard someone come up the stairs and the way it sounded was quite like how I walk up the stairs..
She said "Who's there?!" (my grandpa can't climb stairs and this is going on at 1am) She looked and *I* came up the stairs.
This can't be true because I was at college!! And the next day I had a Chinese exam at 8am. She went on to tell me that I said "Grandma.. it's me. I have a tummy ache."
I did have a horrible "tummy ache" that night (when I'm talking to my grandma I would call it a 'tummy ache' too). She got really scared because I was a. home from college at 1am when i had an exam at 8am b. wearing a poofy lacey purple dress she never saw me wear before and c. had no way to get home even! She got really worried she said and picked up the remote to the tv to put the tv on mute and when she turned away "I" was gone. She blew it off as her being tired and worried about me.
The next day she told my grandpa what she had seen and before doing so she asked him not to laugh or think she was crazy. After she told him he laughed and grandma said "i knew you'd laugh at me!" Grandpa then said.. "that's not why i'm laughing.. i'm laughing because she came into the living and sat on the sofa and talked to me before she went upstairs. All she said was 'Hello' and asked me how I was doing. Then she went upstairs. I thought she got a ride here early and went to bed because it was so late."
They both described the dress I was wearing the same way...... and I do not own this dress. Nor have I ever seen one like it. It was purple, poofy, and lacey.
Okay now, I know my grandma and grandpa wouldn't ever make up such or story. Especially my grandpa. He just really isn't like that and I wanted to talk to him more about this but he kinda refused and blew it off.
Does anyone know what just happened or have any theories?
wow i never thought something like this was possible,even though i am only 15 i THINK that it could have been your doppleganger...
although there is no proof that they exist its very likely.
you should do some search on it.
also it has been said that when ever your family members or your self meet your doppleganger it means something dangerous could happen.
This is an interesting topic, seeing as how I experienced something similar to that. Except the lady who saw 'me' had never seen me before. Meaning she wasn't related to me at all, or anything. And I've never seen her before either.
But anyways, the thing that happened to me was, I was at work, extremely bored
, so I imagined myself to be in MS, a particular place in my state. It's a common tourist attraction, and quite pretty, and about an hour or so from where I work. Well, I was just off daydreaming and wishing I was there, and really imagining that I was just standing at a certain part and looking at the scenery. I could see the hills and valleys, and buildings that were there. In my mind, of course ;P. And I was just doing this while tending to my work. Well, a few hours later, I get this customer. She comes in, and I'm helping her with what she needed, and she says, "Hm, I've seen you before. Didn't I just see you in MS this morning?" ...I was flabbergasted. There was just no way she could have seen me, because one, I wasn't there, and two... well, do I really need a two? I was just extremely shocked. And I think my jaw might have dropped when she told me that. But I just said, "No, I was here, at work. ;P" ...But I mean, just the extreme weirdness of that incident has boggled me for some time, and really got me interested in astral projection, and remote viewing. And I thought, if this was possible, then the lady was amazing for having seeing me, like my spirit or something.
Anyways, it's just experiences like these that have really opened my mind up more to considering different possibilities and mysteries that the world still has in store for us. I think it's a wide range where we can't even begin to comprehend and understand it all. ;P
Anyways, thanks for sharing your experience. I think it could have been due to some mental projection of yourself that you did unconsciously, and your grandparents might have picked up on it somehow. Kind of like what I think might have happened with me. Or a type of astral projection, or any other of the theories that were posted on here. Either way, it's a really fascinating phenomena in any case.
But anyways, the thing that happened to me was, I was at work, extremely bored
, so I imagined myself to be in MS, a particular place in my state. It's a common tourist attraction, and quite pretty, and about an hour or so from where I work. Well, I was just off daydreaming and wishing I was there, and really imagining that I was just standing at a certain part and looking at the scenery. I could see the hills and valleys, and buildings that were there. In my mind, of course ;P. And I was just doing this while tending to my work. Well, a few hours later, I get this customer. She comes in, and I'm helping her with what she needed, and she says, "Hm, I've seen you before. Didn't I just see you in MS this morning?" ...I was flabbergasted. There was just no way she could have seen me, because one, I wasn't there, and two... well, do I really need a two? I was just extremely shocked. And I think my jaw might have dropped when she told me that. But I just said, "No, I was here, at work. ;P" ...But I mean, just the extreme weirdness of that incident has boggled me for some time, and really got me interested in astral projection, and remote viewing. And I thought, if this was possible, then the lady was amazing for having seeing me, like my spirit or something.Anyways, it's just experiences like these that have really opened my mind up more to considering different possibilities and mysteries that the world still has in store for us. I think it's a wide range where we can't even begin to comprehend and understand it all. ;P
Anyways, thanks for sharing your experience.
I think it could have been due to some mental projection of yourself that you did unconsciously, and your grandparents might have picked up on it somehow. Kind of like what I think might have happened with me. Or a type of astral projection, or any other of the theories that were posted on here. Either way, it's a really fascinating phenomena in any case.
Well, as this is all of my second post I'll probably have no real credibility. I have studied the occult fairly extensively, and this doesn't sound like a Doppleganger or a spirit mimic. A doppleganger is supposed to try and replace you to some extent, or use your image in a convincing way to get what it wants. It's just not realistic that you would show up far from the place you were supposed to be in the middle of the night without announcing yourself. A spirit mimic is usually a trickster, and I fail to see the any aspect of trickery here. I've never been one to really believe in any of this, despite my studies, but it sounds like astral projection if it's anything paranormal at all. You were away at college, seperated from your social support structure to some extent. You had an injury that made you sick or caused you discomfort, so you projected yourself someplace safe where you knew you would get the support you needed.
If you're really worried about the paranormal, demons, or spells of some sort, here are a few commonly held ways to ward these off: Sulfur is said to disrupt spells, and nettleleaf protects from curses. Onyx and Black Salt both ward of demonic entities. A small charm bag containing a combination of the above substances would protect you and your loved ones, but getting them to accept such a thing without thinking you're a wierdo would probably be difficult. I really don't think you've got anything to be worried about, this is probably just one of those strange occurances that pops up from time to time. Just about any occult shop will have what you need if you're worried, and the cost wouldn't be likely to exceed 10-15$ to make enough bags for the people you mentioned.
If you're really worried about the paranormal, demons, or spells of some sort, here are a few commonly held ways to ward these off: Sulfur is said to disrupt spells, and nettleleaf protects from curses. Onyx and Black Salt both ward of demonic entities. A small charm bag containing a combination of the above substances would protect you and your loved ones, but getting them to accept such a thing without thinking you're a wierdo would probably be difficult. I really don't think you've got anything to be worried about, this is probably just one of those strange occurances that pops up from time to time. Just about any occult shop will have what you need if you're worried, and the cost wouldn't be likely to exceed 10-15$ to make enough bags for the people you mentioned.
Wow--neat thread!
With no reason at this point to believe the OP is deliberately fabricating this occurrence (ie. lying), I find this fascinating.
I realize that double, identical hallucinations are possible--but this explanation seems to be as far-fetched as any other.
I can only offer a personal experience. My husband and I once had a shared dream on the same night. The dream was very vibrant and clear for each of us. The details of the dream were almost identical except for two particular differences which I found intriguing--they seemed to illustrate the differences we have on handling problems. In our dream, we were flying family-sized hand-gliders. In my dream, I was "driving;" in his dream, he was the pilot. We both were flying our family through the air, but were having trouble avoiding powerlines. In my dream, I was flying up and down to miss the power lines; and my husband was plowing right through them. I found the difference very amusing, in a way.
My nephew has a "double" in town. They almost look identical. Same height (they are both very tall), skinny, same age (18), same hair, face, same sharp, pointed noise, same glasses, same voice, same walk--it's actually quite freaky. I wonder if my brother-in-law has a little secret (they both take after him). Maybe I should have a talk with my sister...hm....
There didn't seem to be anything sinister about this "visitation," so my money is on the astral projection explanation.
With no reason at this point to believe the OP is deliberately fabricating this occurrence (ie. lying), I find this fascinating.
I realize that double, identical hallucinations are possible--but this explanation seems to be as far-fetched as any other.
I can only offer a personal experience. My husband and I once had a shared dream on the same night. The dream was very vibrant and clear for each of us. The details of the dream were almost identical except for two particular differences which I found intriguing--they seemed to illustrate the differences we have on handling problems. In our dream, we were flying family-sized hand-gliders. In my dream, I was "driving;" in his dream, he was the pilot. We both were flying our family through the air, but were having trouble avoiding powerlines. In my dream, I was flying up and down to miss the power lines; and my husband was plowing right through them. I found the difference very amusing, in a way.
My nephew has a "double" in town. They almost look identical. Same height (they are both very tall), skinny, same age (18), same hair, face, same sharp, pointed noise, same glasses, same voice, same walk--it's actually quite freaky. I wonder if my brother-in-law has a little secret (they both take after him).
Maybe I should have a talk with my sister...hm....There didn't seem to be anything sinister about this "visitation," so my money is on the astral projection explanation.
Strange, my grandmother and my aunt both experienced the same thing long ago. My uncle was at college and both of them saw him walking around the house at the same time. My aunt went to follow him after he turned around a corner, but he had disappeared. Is this a common phenomena?
QUOTE (wishs @ May 10 2008, 05:23 AM)
Okay.. first off I'm very sorry if this isn't welcome here. But I really need an answer.. something really really weird happened to me.
I've been at college hours away from my home. It was my freshmen year.
Today I came home from college, I live with my grandma and grandpa, and they told me something quite freaky.
Grandma told me she heard someone come up the stairs and the way it sounded was quite like how I walk up the stairs..
She said "Who's there?!" (my grandpa can't climb stairs and this is going on at 1am) She looked and *I* came up the stairs.
This can't be true because I was at college!! And the next day I had a Chinese exam at 8am. She went on to tell me that I said "Grandma.. it's me. I have a tummy ache."
I did have a horrible "tummy ache" that night (when I'm talking to my grandma I would call it a 'tummy ache' too). She got really scared because I was a. home from college at 1am when i had an exam at 8am b. wearing a poofy lacey purple dress she never saw me wear before and c. had no way to get home even! She got really worried she said and picked up the remote to the tv to put the tv on mute and when she turned away "I" was gone. She blew it off as her being tired and worried about me.
The next day she told my grandpa what she had seen and before doing so she asked him not to laugh or think she was crazy. After she told him he laughed and grandma said "i knew you'd laugh at me!" Grandpa then said.. "that's not why i'm laughing.. i'm laughing because she came into the living and sat on the sofa and talked to me before she went upstairs. All she said was 'Hello' and asked me how I was doing. Then she went upstairs. I thought she got a ride here early and went to bed because it was so late."
They both described the dress I was wearing the same way...... and I do not own this dress. Nor have I ever seen one like it. It was purple, poofy, and lacey.
Okay now, I know my grandma and grandpa wouldn't ever make up such or story. Especially my grandpa. He just really isn't like that and I wanted to talk to him more about this but he kinda refused and blew it off.
Does anyone know what just happened or have any theories?
If you click on my username: wewhodream, you can read one of my blog entries called, "It was really Red" in which I tell about my mom's "visit" to my grandfather. You had an out of body experience. These can be brought about by strong emotion/pain. You likely have a strong bond with your grandparents, which would explain your appearing to them. People automatically try to explain away such things, but they are real. There is more to us than the world understands. We all leave our bodies every night, believe it or not. We are not physical beings, we are spirit. You might find the Seth Books (Jane Roberts) helpful: The Seth Material, Seth Speaks, The Nature of Personal Reality...
Also read (in my blog) "Watch Out For August"...I just added that one.
I've been at college hours away from my home. It was my freshmen year.
Today I came home from college, I live with my grandma and grandpa, and they told me something quite freaky.
Grandma told me she heard someone come up the stairs and the way it sounded was quite like how I walk up the stairs..
She said "Who's there?!" (my grandpa can't climb stairs and this is going on at 1am) She looked and *I* came up the stairs.
This can't be true because I was at college!! And the next day I had a Chinese exam at 8am. She went on to tell me that I said "Grandma.. it's me. I have a tummy ache."
I did have a horrible "tummy ache" that night (when I'm talking to my grandma I would call it a 'tummy ache' too). She got really scared because I was a. home from college at 1am when i had an exam at 8am b. wearing a poofy lacey purple dress she never saw me wear before and c. had no way to get home even! She got really worried she said and picked up the remote to the tv to put the tv on mute and when she turned away "I" was gone. She blew it off as her being tired and worried about me.
The next day she told my grandpa what she had seen and before doing so she asked him not to laugh or think she was crazy. After she told him he laughed and grandma said "i knew you'd laugh at me!" Grandpa then said.. "that's not why i'm laughing.. i'm laughing because she came into the living and sat on the sofa and talked to me before she went upstairs. All she said was 'Hello' and asked me how I was doing. Then she went upstairs. I thought she got a ride here early and went to bed because it was so late."
They both described the dress I was wearing the same way...... and I do not own this dress. Nor have I ever seen one like it. It was purple, poofy, and lacey.
Okay now, I know my grandma and grandpa wouldn't ever make up such or story. Especially my grandpa. He just really isn't like that and I wanted to talk to him more about this but he kinda refused and blew it off.
Does anyone know what just happened or have any theories?
If you click on my username: wewhodream, you can read one of my blog entries called, "It was really Red" in which I tell about my mom's "visit" to my grandfather. You had an out of body experience. These can be brought about by strong emotion/pain. You likely have a strong bond with your grandparents, which would explain your appearing to them. People automatically try to explain away such things, but they are real. There is more to us than the world understands. We all leave our bodies every night, believe it or not. We are not physical beings, we are spirit. You might find the Seth Books (Jane Roberts) helpful: The Seth Material, Seth Speaks, The Nature of Personal Reality...
QUOTE (Kyle O'Brian @ May 24 2008, 04:24 PM)
Strange, my grandmother and my aunt both experienced the same thing long ago. My uncle was at college and both of them saw him walking around the house at the same time. My aunt went to follow him after he turned around a corner, but he had disappeared. Is this a common phenomena?
Quite common, and quite natural. We are non-physical. We are not contained in or by bodies. We are free.
Yeah I have had this happen a time or two when I have appeared literaLLY across country. My neighbors all claim to have seen me walking around at night in a dress (which I dont wear) and if you approach me I turn into some other form, a wolf to be exact and vanish. I thought they were all freaks.... maybe their not..
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