Vampires are proved to exist

Legends about vampires, so popular among gothic-style fans, have a real base. People that fear daylight, have yellow fang-like teeth, animal-looking nails and are allergic to garlic do exist, not to mention those who merely wear black, gothic jewelry, gets fang implants and bites innocent old ladies while high. By the way, the fact that old ladies are bitten isn’t a myth; in the Kaliningrad region a teenager killed 2 pensioners for a special vampire ceremony. The cruelest accident happened in Great Britain 4 years ago. Then a 17-year teenager slaughtered his female neighbor, teared out her heart and sucked out blood to gain immortality.

Almost each nation has legends about vampires that hunt people at night and drink their blood. In these legends vampires are cruel, heartless, half-decayed creatures. For example, Slavic mythology has a belief that a vampire won’t get out of grave if you throw some corn inside. The vampire will count corns all night long. But the image of a vampire has changed. Today it is an enigmatic sexy superstar that kept its peculiar traits: love of blood, hate for garlic, and fear for the sun. In the Middle Ages the legend about vampires was complemented with the information that they fear cross and Holy Water. That remained a myth until 1963, when a British doctor Li Illis made a stunning announcement: vampire-werewolf is nothing more than a victim of a genetic pathology – porphyria.

This is a rare disease – only 1 in 20000 people suffers from it. The body doesn’t produce red corpuscles and thus a person’s blood lacks oxygen and iron and this leads to hemoglobin breakdown under the sunshine. Soon blisters and ulcers pop up; a person starts to have sun energy and can even die. This disease can also cause nose, ears and cartilages deformation. His fingers start to convolve; the skin around mouth gets dry and reveals gums, which turn yellowish because of porphyrine deposition on the teeth. Garlic that stimulates red corpuscles emission in the body of healthy person causes the exacerbation of symptoms among the ill people. This goes hand in hand with harsh pain, so these people also often suffer from mental disability.

If you sum up all the symptoms of this disease, you get the exact same picture of a vampire shown on TV. In France only in the 17th century 30 thousand people were declared werewolves according to the signs described by Illis. All of them were hanged. The Czech archeologists found the burying that dates back to the 11th century. There were 13 people lying with tied hands, chopped off heads and stakes in the chest.

Full story, source: Pravda

i still dont believe in vampires but u do have a very compelling arguement

Pravda? That's your source? Heh.

Yeah. Thats rich. I might as well source my self. Pravda=cockca. BUT porphyria is sited as a possible source of the legend. I have never thought it fit.

It is a real medical condition.

Porphyria has been suggested as an explanation for the origin of vampire and werewolf legends, based upon certain similarities between the condition and the folklore.

In January 1964, L. Illis' 1963 paper, "On Porphyria and the Ætiology of Werwolves", was published in Proceedings of the Royal Society of Medicine. Later, Nancy Garden made a connection between porphyria and the vampire belief in her 1973 book, Vampires. However, in 1985, biochemist David Dolphin's paper for the American Association for the Advancement of Science, "Porphyria, Vampires, and Werewolves: The Aetiology of European Metamorphosis Legends", gained widespread media coverage, thus popularizing the connection.

The theory has since faced heavy criticism, especially for the stigma it has placed on its sufferers. Norine Dresser's American Vampires: Fans, Victims, Practitioners (1989) treats the matter with more depth. The theory also operates on a highly-flawed premise: mainly in regards to a perceived harmful effect sunlight had on vampires. But this is a much more recent innovation in vampire "lore": its origin is from 1922, with the release of vampire movie, Nosferatu, eine Symphonie des Grauens.

Porphyria cutanea tarda presents clinically as a pathological sensitivity of skin exposed to light causing scarring, hair growth and disfiguration. Additionally, it was believed that the patients' missing heme could be absorbed through the stomach, correlating with the legends' hematophagy.[12]

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Pravda means truth in polish...and of course i belive the stories and i know that they exsist...

More recently rabies was proposed as a possible origin of the myth.
Google "rabies" and "vampire" and you'll find some articles about this hypothese raised by Dr Juan Gomez-Alonso.

It's Russian, though it means the same in Polish. It was a major newspaper in the Soviet Union, and when the USSR collapsed the paper was quickly purchased (well, the right to use the name that is) and eventually it become some lame generic sensationalist tabloid. The "English Pravda"-website is full of nonsensical made-up drivel; constantly going on about 180 foot sharks, alien-human hybrids born on earth with tails and grasping arms growing out of their mouths; saying a whale-carcass is a dinosaur.

The name "Pravda" as in truth is if anything more ironic than ever before, even moreso than when it was the main medial loudspeaker of the CPSU.

good job questionmark . I knew about a disease that causes this, but not its details. Thx for sharing with us. Btw i am from romania and vams are not so widespred here. It's kinda ironic since romania should be the cradle of the european vampires

It basically states that the ''real vampires" are either wannabe vampire goths or unfortunate people with a disease. Nothing paranormal there, besides the abnormal stupidity of eating someones heart in order to recieve immortality.

I hadn't heard about porphyria before. Interesting article.

Pravda should mean fake stories, because thats what they put out. They are no different then Weekly World news. AND I know they don't exist. Boo ya.

One thing though, with the sort of odds on having it you would think more people would have heard of it.

I am not suprised Porphyria is pooh poohed out of the explaination arena. It is a quite painful condition and almost always requires the use of opiates to reduce it to tolerable levels. Hardly one that would have people preforming superhuman feats. In addition, the ingestion of blood does not ease symptoms. In fact, treatment (in acute cases) includes A high-carbohydrate diet, or for severe cases, a glucose 10% infusion is commenced. The term derives from the Greek πορφύρα, porphura, meaning "purple pigment". The name is likely to have been a reference to the purple discolouration of some body fluids in patients during an attack.

So I guess I'm late jumping on the Pravda=laughter bandwagon.

Not at all!! Pravda is an endless source of entertainment! Laugh away

To be fair werewolves and vampires are just simple cases of normal diseases exaggerated and ambellished

I have also heard that people suffering from porphyria can drink human blood to in a way cure it for a short time, even the show CSI did a show on it. Where a fitness instructor had it and was killing young healthy men drinking there blood and making smoothys out of the harts and livers since they had the most blood in them from any other organs in the body.

But this is still a massive load of crap. Get a live!!! Vampires and Werewolves never existed only in Hollywood.

So, prove they don't?
Any of you!

the burden of proof is on you - you need to prove they do exist.

Common sence will prove they dont exsist!

Your asking the impossible...trust me...and you'll get nothing in the way of an explination, unfortunately. I say these things not to be malicious, but beacuse they've been brought up sooooo many times in the past here at U.M. There isn't a Sang that can physically prove to you that they NEED to drink blood to live or feel good, and there no real physical way for a Psy to manifest their "abilities" or "gifts". You just have to take they're word for it, essentially. Which just returns us to personal opinion, what do you believe.

The human body can not digest rare blood in large amounts. We will vomit it all up. Medical fact. There are want to be vampires. That bite or get bitten for sexual pleasure (sort of freakie to me)and drink blood but you never hear about the vomitting part. .

This is true, and is one of the ways to spot a role player in todays Vampyre Community, as well as the "immortal" claims and "elder" this and "ancient" that. There are no immortals, there are no walking dead, drinking blood is not a remedy for any medical condition(porphyria, anyone?), and todays Vampyre cannot prove otherwise physically, unfortunately.

I know I just can't pass up something like that though - trying to prove something doesn't exist is silly, I think that the burden of proof is on the person to prove the existence, and if you can't, well, that just speaks for itself in my opinion

Lame. Juvenile. As the great Carl Sagan said, “Remarkable claims require remarkable proof.” The burden's on those trying to promulgate such claptrap.

Does anyone know if one time Pravda really was a good source of journalistic integrity, or has it always been this way?

I seem to recall, back during the 80's, it was used as a source quite often.

Great claims need great evidence. Ya right. You claim they don't exist you prove it. The burden is for people who actually want to burden themselves with even more trouble. If not, nobody has to prove anything. Because I don't believe in proving anything to anyone who does not believe. As I always say, no point in getting more trouble for ourselves. Rather stay firm in our beliefs them getting other people to believe. One more person, more or less?

Lame and juvenile redux!

In case you did not realise, I changed my post.

I'd love to have something else to say on the matter, I really, really would. During the time I spent researching the subject and speaking and interacting with the people I did, I found nothing that would change the conclusions I came up with for myself. What you see, is what you get.....that's all. Now, I have made friends of many of the people I came across, and still speak to many of them to this day in various ways, so I won't say that they're crackpots or delusional per say, but they believe in what they believe in. As long as they aren't hurting anyone in the process, I have no problem with it.

How many times must I explain that it is not the blood that is needed, it is the prana within the blood.
See the Chakra meridians flow directly next to the blood vessels and by doing so the blood becomes rich in prana therefore a great source of energy. Tiny droplets of blood are only needed, no one is 'drinking' cups of blood out of witched chalices, except in the movies.

You want to drink a a Sanscrit word for life force. (That is all it is, there is no such substance).

Well, I personally don't but yeah, it becomes the transference of energy / prana / chi / ki etc.
Those drinking cups of blood have fetishes.

Ah, well I can tell you that there belief is not backed up by reality.

Pravda has been all, from party mouthpiece to sensationalism paper. At this time it is evidently trying to find its place in the world.

Look I already went through this on another thread, yeah yeah yeah you don't believe there are vampires, I say there are.
let's not get into this argument again.

I must have missed the other thread. Do you feel vampires are real?

At this point . . . no, I don't

Good question.

From Wikipedia



Intersting! I knew that was a good question!

Pravda, nothing but bullcrap stories amongst sensationalised ones amongst more bullcrap. Pfft.

They should consider a page 3 girl.

I agree wholeheartedly

I think that the story of a vampire is very plausible. Because there is usually a reason to the mythological creatures.

Plausible? In what way, may I ask?

Heard about this before.

From wiki

"Porphyria has been suggested as an explanation for the origin of vampire and werewolf legends, based upon certain similarities between the condition and the folklore.

In January 1964, L. Illis' 1963 paper, "On Porphyria and the Ætiology of Werwolves", was published in Proceedings of the Royal Society of Medicine. Later, Nancy Garden made a connection between porphyria and the vampire belief in her 1973 book, Vampires. However, in 1985, biochemist David Dolphin's paper for the American Association for the Advancement of Science, "Porphyria, Vampires, and Werewolves: The Aetiology of European Metamorphosis Legends", gained widespread media coverage, thus popularizing the connection.

The theory has since faced heavy criticism, especially for the stigma it has placed on its sufferers. Norine Dresser's American Vampires: Fans, Victims, Practitioners (1989) treats the matter with more depth. The theory also operates on a highly-flawed premise: mainly in regards to a perceived harmful effect sunlight had on vampires. But this is a much more recent innovation in vampire "lore": its origin is from 1922, with the release of vampire movie, Nosferatu, eine Symphonie des Grauens.

Porphyria cutanea tarda presents clinically as a pathological sensitivity of skin exposed to light causing scarring, hair growth and disfiguration. Additionally, it was believed that the patients' missing heme could be absorbed through the stomach, correlating with the legends' hematophagy.[12]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porphyria

What reasons lie behind mythological creatures? That is, what can be proven to logically lead one to believe in any mythological creatures?

This might be fodder for a new thread. Or not.

An excellent idea incor. Would you like to make the thread?

Yours was the spark, I defer to you, sir.

Yes but that reason is usually a misinterpretation of medical data combined with rumour.