Hi everyone! Maybe some of ya'll could help me out. Has anyone heard if there is any cases of Stigmata today?? Or recent? Or has anyone experianced it? Or is there a case that you know of that you would like to share?

No Veliska I never have. Ive experienced everything BUT that LOL..((V))...JN

i'm sorry this will sound stupid but whats a Stigmata??

Stigmata is when an individual goes into maybe a trans type state where that individual experiences what Christ experienced. Mainly feeling his pain, it is common during a Stigmata for the individual to speak in another language that they DON'T know, normally Latin. Also the individual will get gashes in their hands and huge scars where the nails would have been on Christ. This is NOT a demonic possession. A true Stigmata an individual coming out of it becomes a very spiritual person and does not view it as a bad thing but it bringing them closer to Christ and increasing their thankfulness to him, love, and bond. Also it has happened that a person in a Stigmata may prophecize some events that may happen soon, sometimes they're horrific events and it's a warning. Again do not confuse this with a demonic possession. Before I'm bashed or anything I am just saying what a true Stigmata is and yes from the religious perspective, which I do believe but it answers his question. =)

ah so what your saying from The Exorcisim of Emily rose when she's outside by the tree speaking to something and she sees the holes in her hands then thats a Stigmata, never seen it, but often i when i'm at peace with myself and others (mission trips) i can feel his pain, i cry, hurt and help others, i feel like theres something in my hands but i cant see things. i dont know if thats something like that.

Did Jesus speak Latin, Armenian, Egyptian, all of them? To speak in "Tongs" it should not be just vocalizations as some churches practice, but a language used by Jesus.

Or one would think.!

Well lets be honest here, Jesus could speak whatever the heck he wants lol. If you went by what he actually spoke during that time it would be Aramaic. However, Latin I believe is more common in Stigmata and it makes sense because that is common in the churches I.E. mass and such. But in all honesty, if you believe in Jesus and I do you know he could speak whatever he wants.

Good point*wink*...I just think it is strange that there hasnt been any accurances of Stigmata latley...errr recently. If there is it is pretty secretive.

Did you ever truly wonder just how many things go on out there in our world that are unknown or secrets? I would say "too many." JMO...JN

Tongs. The language of the BBQ.

Seriously however, the idea is that the individual doesn't necessarily take on the atributes of Jesus, but becomes 'enlightened' and able to mentally perform tasks beyond their measure.

Patrick Harpur: Daimonic Reality


Religious Stigmata in traditional times was also the root of the common word 'Ecstacy'; taken from the Latin Ekstasis - to stand outside one's self. In this way, Stigmata is the mark of those thought to be blessed by a religious experience...they do not 'become' Jesus, instead experience a relgious ecstacy.

Of course, Stigmata has never been attributed to individuals to anyone outside of the Roman Catholic faith (supposedly) and one school of thought is that it is caused by a type of waking 'R.E.M' state, where the body is tricked into performing harm on itself when the individual believes they are experiencing a religious ecstacy.

Would you really want to know all of them though? lol

Stigmata=It is the physical manifestation of Christs' wounds. The piercings from being nailed to the cross etc...

Padre Pios was the last i knew of.

Born 1887 died 1968

Her is a link to the more recent cases of Stigmata..


http://www.stigmata-themovie.com/cases_present.html

There was Padre Pio, he died 40 years ago. But there was a lady in England too who had the stigmata, something tragic happened to her though, I can't honestly remember her story, but I'll go and have a look and see what I dig up, nice to see you Vel.

Edit: I found her, here's an article from ASSAP.

http://www.assap.org/newsite/articles/Stigmata.html

The Stigmata of Heather Woods

The most extraordinary case of the stigmata is that of Heather Woods of Lincoln. She was featured in a television documentary at Easter 1994, and a book about her life, which we have written, was published at that time, entitled Spirit Within Her.

We worked with Heather for a long time. In this article we summarise some of that research, so that readers can understand just what goes on in the minds and bodies of people so affected. It is probably the first such in-depth analysis of one person's claim.

Our work with Heather consisted of twelve hours of video-taped interview; over 130,000 words of dictated memories and access to all of Heather's private diaries, and to the 60,000 or so words of writings that Heather believed were channelled guidance from God. Included in our many interviews with Heather was a period of three days when she lived with us both and allowed us - even encouraged us - to 'drive her hard' to get her story out. It is her belief that part of her mission for Jesus is to tell her story as widely as possible.
Formative Years

At the age of nine Heather came home to find her suitcases packed; she and her sisters were uprooted from their happy home. For the rest of her life until adulthood, Heather was moved from one institutional home to another. She endured sexual abuse, bone-aching physical violence and mind-numbing mental cruelty at the hands of a variety of 'benefactors'. She ran away over thirty times. An aching memory of her childhood was of sitting in the 'best' room of the care-house, dressed in her best clothes, waiting for a promised visit from her parents, knowing that they would not turn up - just like they had not turned up the week before.

In her early years the abuse was coupled with tragedies including her mother's breakdown, imprisonment and eventual suicide and her own attempted 'suicides', or at least cries for help. In later years she would endure the birth of a brain-damaged son, the death of a husband she loved dearly and permanent separation from her daughter.

By the age of 44, when we spoke to her, her body was racked by breakdown, it had endured cancers and other illnesses that had required many visits to hospitals,with most of her major organs operated on or removed. Her triumph over all this is spiritually uplifting, and peopled with wonderful souls: 'Pop' who took her in from 'care' at the age of eighteen, gave her her first real home and 'healed' her crippled mind; Ray, her husband, who helped heal her body. Heather's description of their joint combat with their own histories - Ray was also an abused child - is desperately moving. It was two years before they really made love, and then they clung together gently for hours - two human beings touching each other without violence, feeling pleasure in physical contact for the first time in their lives. And her priest, Father Eric, who was to share in her most extraordinary religious and spiritual moments, and who helped heal her spirit.
The Stigmata Arise

Heather's stigmata first appeared at a time when she was receiving channelled drawings and writings and experiencing visions. These came to her in trance-like states, and she believes they were 'given' to her by God. The messages read like sermons, the drawings and visions were of Jesus baptised and crucified. Heather felt herself on a cross inside the body of Jesus. She felt herself with him many times during 'biblical' times. When she was 'with' him at his baptism by John the Baptist, she described 'It was as if I was there. I could see the water dripping from him, sparkling in the sunlight.'

The appearance of the stigmata is almost always associated with visions such as these. St Francis received the marks after a vision of a six-winged seraph crucified like a man. Religious illustrations depicting this show a seraph before him with lines shining from its wounds onto St Francis.

Ethel Chapman, a recent stigmatic, recalled a vivid vision of being crucified. She felt the pain and saw people jeering at her. The next morning she had stigmata markings.

Heather's writings were channelled while she was in trance; she never remembered the writing, only the beginning as she reached for her pencil and the end when she 'came round'. But a few people were witness to the extraordinary speed of her writing; several pages filled in minutes. One witness said she watched Heather's hand moving at 'abnormal speed'. Like Heather, Ethel Chapman also produced writings, although she did not claim that they were 'channelled'. She described that when it started to come, 'it just flowed', which is very similar to Heather's claims.

Visions and expressions like this involve a feeling of reality and conviction that may well be the passion that produces the stigmata. Of course, not every such passion produces stigmata - it is very rare - but many people have similar feelings that are taken on faith rather than 'proof'.

LOL NO, My mind could probably only register a certain amount before it crashed and burned..JN

Whoa thanks! I have searched everywhere! (Hugs)

Do you have to have faith too be blessed with this experiance? has it only happened to Nuns. Monks, and Priest?

no, it happens to many people from all walks of life. The thing to note is that the individuals who are 'touched' (so to speak) alter their lives dramatically.

Some theorists believe that it is a form of spiritual branding, something that has its roots in faerie lore. The faerie 'blast' quite often left individuals paralysed or altered in some way in Celtic Britain. To appease the spirits, individuals would leave offerings of food (again, something that attached itself to all cultures - Central American tribes would even offer human lives).

The amazing thing to note, is that this faerie lore acts as an archetype that we can observe in stigmatics.

Those who experience these bouts of religious ecstacy are often accompanied by visitations by angels and even the blessed virgin mary. These 'visitors' would ask the stigmatics to make a great sacrifice and devote themselves to religion (St Francis of Assisi was told he would carry his stigmata for life - so he could forever feel the agony of Jesus' last moments). In a way, like the faerie lore of old, Catholics are also asked to make a sacrifice. Visions of the Blessed Virgin Mary are the same too - many visionaries are bestowed with a great weight of knowledge or become 'enlightened' to the workings of the universe. However it comes at a great cost, two of the original witnesses at Fatima died at an early age, and the third would carry a great revalation with her for the rest of her life in a convent.

here we can see that all throughout history the main archetype of all spiritual beings are the same, the only thing that differs is the frame of reference.

I could go on all day about this, but these archetypes pop up in other ways too. Just quickly, another one that revolves around UFO lore is comparable to the early visitation of Mary (mother of Jesus). Throughout the 1970's several young women (who were still virgins) claimed to have become pregnant after a UFO abuction wave in the New York area. We can link this archetype back to the visitation of Mary (the mother of Jesus) by an abgel who would tell her she would become pregnant, despite the fact she was still a virgin.

I knew a guy with stigmata - he's in a mental institution now. His was intermitant and brought on by his delusions that he was actually a holy person (this varied from Jesus himself to various high priests that I believe were figments of his imagination). I'm not sure what his actual psychological diagnosis is. He would get into on of these states, would start ranting about Jesus and God and the centers of his palms would get very irritated-looking, red, and even begin to seep blood like a bad bruise or contusion. It was like a very strong hypnotic suggestion, I suppose.

Found this on line...I havent found anythin else sooner....

June 1996, bring us to Georgio Bongiavani, a man who experiences stigmata on his hands and forehead every day of his life.

Wow Thank you! I did not know that. I was wondering where Stigmata come from...(The story behind it, and beleifs)


I am going to google him...Thanx

so to the best of your knowledge he didn't cut himself, he thought the cuts there? Poor guy.

Well I hope you never have to JN but it sounds interesting.



Very interesting and even though I would not want it it does sound like a very blessed experience. Ecstasy is something many can relate to in its various forms, now and in the ancient world.



It makes me personally think it is all demonic. Not that I am going to look down on those who have experienced it because they are going through something very religious and sacred to them. The talk of UFOs definitely makes sense in this all. The faerie lore is my favorite part of your post though and back then no one knew if things that happened were because of the dark ones of the faerie, some differentiated between them, some spoke of things but never clearly said who it was and everyone else just assumed. The 'good folk' though are still with us though not as strong as before. Ireland seems to be losing much of its lore through modernity.



This makes me somewhat angry. Spiritual things should be taken care of spiritually and medical things should be take care of medically. The ones who see things only one way or another and do not leave the possibility for both always end up making mistakes with other people's lived. I do not think the person you knew belongs in an institution. The drugs they are giving him might not help but insure he stays there for a very, very long time.

I started to make this a thread on its own until I saw that the subject was brought up so recent.
*warning* if you're sensitive to gross stuff, then don't even bother...

anyway.. This woman Julia is like one of the few Stigmatic cases ever acknowledged as genuine through the Catholic Church. She lives today and is still currently experiencing this stuff.

Here is some pics of Julia on this link:
http://web246m.dynamic-kunden.ch/maria/naju1.html

The second link is in German, sorry, but there are videos on there (down somewhat on this page) that show this bizarre event in its process.. Look for "SEHERIN IN NAJU:" Naju 1- naju 9 stigmatization
http://web246m.dynamic-kunden.ch/maria/naju.html

Now, I understand that some Psychiatric illnesses will/can produce such a phenomenon, but this woman apparently suffers from nothing of the such..

I agree completely. What is more miraculous? Someone standing up and spouting incoherent jibberish? Or someone standing up and speaking in a language unknown to them? Jesus actually spoke in a dialect of aramaic. But I think it is unimportant. The point is to speak in a tongue that you couldn't possible have done before being taken over by the Holy Spirit. There-in lays the miracle.

WOW Thanks for the links Shankpin..Very interesting..JN

O yea, I admit, I was taken back by it all. I'm not sure what to think about it myself.. bizarre stuff..

I did about 4-6 years ago a teacher I had mentioned knowing a girl with stigmata other then that nothing.

I wonder...does it ever go away or does it stop?? oh and Shankpin thanks for the link it was bizarre

In the stories I've read concerning those with stigmata, like Padro Pio, he suffered this through out his entire life, all the way up til the end..

That is so sad

Yes, that is the definition but the phenomena of stigmata is psychological, not spiritual or physical. For example, a hypnotist can put a pencil against you skin and tell you that it is a lit cigarette. You will feel the pain and get a blister and burn. Your mind responds to the stimuli, and that is psychological.

The ultimate evidence that supports this point is that religious people who fringe upon the fanactic are accustomed to the statues and paintings of Christ on the cross. The occurance of stigmata finds bleeding wounds in the palms of the hands of the affected person. But real crucifixion was done with nails through the wrist, not the palms . . . clearly suggesting that it is a response to a concept, not a duplication of a historic event.

Okay so you are basically saying...mind over matter?? Interesting. like if your mind is telling you a certain thing your body responds in that way..when you are like in a trance. Is this is what your saying?

That just goes to show everyone that we have not yet discovered everything the brain is capable of. Is stigmata psychological or spiritual? The same can be said about demonic possession. Will we ever know without a shadow of a doubt what is the truth in these phenomena?

I don't like the word "trance" since that is usually externally caused but it is similar enough. Yes, the mind instructs the body which reaction to have to an external suggestion. And because the mind has also recorded countless images of a crucifixion with nails in the palms, the stigmata appears in that form even though it is historically incorrect.

I think it's only fair to say that a completely spiritual experience triggers the mind to cause the physical response. I would not discredit the spiritual aspect of it, but firmly believe that the ultimate result of a stigmata is through mental suggestion, not a supernatural miracle.

I DO believe in possession, and being influenced by Demonics, and I know first hand it has nothing to do with the brain. In this case, I "think" it is spiritual. We had a case in my state of a girl who was born with severe brain damage, and had no brain activity, but remained in her parents home for years, under constant medical care. Her palms would bleed, and she cried "blood." There were statues of Mother Mary in her room that cried and a crucifix as well. People came from all over the world to see her, and many were healed. This was several years ago, and since then she passed away. So as I said, I believe in most cases its spiritual..JN

Your correct...they would stake between the two arm bones at the wrist...The hands did not have enough to hold the weight of the sagging body upright.....

JN- That's very interesting. What year was this? I think I have heard of this happening in Mexico also. If what you say is true (which I believe it is because you have no reason to lie here) Then stigmata is spiritual.This little girl was not effected by other influences (being brain damaged)right? How was she able to accept the stigmata? I don't think God just puts people through the pain of stigmata without their consent.

Hi, I forget the year, I am going to look it up, but I am guessing 5-6 years?? Yes it does happen and thats why I dont think its psychological. I agree, about what you stated about God..I will get back to you when I find the articles..Thanks..JN

I cannot believe I found this on the first search. I was mistaken about her being born that way. Check this out..JN








Audrey Santo and the Apostolate of the Silent Soul (CESNUR)

Tongues goes back before the time of Jesus and I believe is actually the language spoken by people prior to the Babel incident where we were all cursed by God to not be able to understand one another. If someone is blessed with tongues some one nearby is usualy blessed with the understanding of tongues. People can not choose to speak tongues. If they say they can speak tongues they are lying. Someone speaking tongues without another there to interprate is probably faking(gift of understanding).

That is incredible!! (if her parents weren't responsible for the stigmata wounds)
Are there any photos?

Obviously, the girl was not so brain damaged that she could not recognize and say the word, "blood." Since her hands were bleeding, her understanding of the event should be evident.

Being so handicapped, however, an probably somewhat confined to a room adorned with statues of the virgin Mary and a crucifix, it is not beyond the scope of reason to believe that she was influenced by other religious factors such as her mother praying, religious comments, reading Scripture, etc. . . . Influenced to the point of having a religous fervor as the context of her existence.

Concerning healing . . . . I see little difference between that and stigmata itself. People often have illnesses in order to be cured. The cure can be the same mental message, triggered by a religious zeal, and the body responds to correct an impairment or illness that perhaps was not so devastating in the first place.

It really is, and NO the mother was devoted to her, till her death, plus she had a round the clock nurse who witnessed things as well, and visitors. Alot of her pics have been removed but I found this. Number #11 is strange looking..JN




Audrey Santo - In pictures

Very interesting story JN! Thank you for posting it, and yes, I agree #11 is strange looking and pic #8 just broke my heart.
Pic #6 is disturbing to me. I'm sure that caring for a child with these medical problems (not the stigmata, but the brain damage and the physical problems that go along with it) would be overwhelmingly expensive.
It is my belief that Audrey is happy and carefree now.

I was was watching this show last. It was either the Ghost Hunting shows or this to watch. Very interesting.
Poor girl btw. Pic number 16..I think I see the Virgin Mary. On the right bright side of the picture.

What a find Shankpin!
I noticed that in the Naju 8 video something flies off of the altar towards the people there. That was amazing!
I also noticed that in the Naju 6 video the blood on Julia's right hand is flowing upward? I'm not sure I understand why?
I also noticed that the wounds on her feet and hands and side were said to be "from God" while the wounds on her legs were said to be "from Satan". I didn't understand why there was a distinction there, but I'm kinda dense.
Thanks for posting this. It is interesting! I haven't heard very many recent cases of stigmata.

My take on stigmata is pretty much the same as Expatriate's, but I still find the cases very interesting. Especially if the wounds show up on the wrists instead of the hands.
This is a link to the wiki article, yeah I know it's wiki, but it does offer a list of links to the most famous stigmatics that makes for a very interesting read.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigmata

I am sorry for my choice of words....but your post explians exactley what I meant...lol