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Caligraphy
Hello viewers. I would like to start off by saying that this is in no way my own opinion on my sleep deprivation.

I am not new to these boards although I've only made 7 post in my many months of being here. I started a topic in the Paranormal thread on this forum about my troubles with sleep paralysis, and I would like to say that all those posters were very helpful and kind to me. I am posting in this thread because whomever I talk to other then in this site about my paralysis, they've questioned the idea of alien abduction.. I've never thought of this theory, and I am in no way begging for it to be true. However I have had strange, vivid dreams back when I was only a child of laying on an examination table, looking up into the masked faces of what appeared to be human surgeons.

It is very difficult for me to replay these memories, basically because I'm embarrassed of the idea of alien abduction, so if anyone is at all interested in asking me and helping me out you can by all means PM me. original.gif

And if this topic has nothing to do with the thread I am posting it in, I will gladly remove it..
theSOURCE
IMHO I don't think it's a good idea to let anyone talk you into believing that you may have been abducted. Regardless of the way many abduction proponents refuse to accept it, sleep paralysis can and does create vivid and bizarre mental images that can be mistaken for an actual experience. I know this because I've dealt with it for many years.

Reptilian
As a former drug-user I can tell you that your brain is so powerful that is it capable of creating entire worlds within your head.

Even if you were completely conscious and was witness to "Aliens" walking right in front of you, there is absolutely no reason to believe they were real.

Your mind could have created that reality due to a thousand and one reasons. Stress, pent up emotion, passed trauma, schizophrenia... the list is endless.

Unless you're trying to cash in on the illusion I'd stop thinking it. But before that, I'd contact some so called "abductees" and see how much money we're exactly talking about grin2.gif
OldTimeRadio
QUOTE (Caligraphy @ May 11 2008, 05:12 AM) *
However I have had strange, vivid dreams back when I was only a child of laying on an examination table, looking up into the masked faces of what appeared to be human surgeons.


So had you ever been operated on before this time (I mean in a regular hospital) or at least been examined on a table by multiple surgical-masked physicians?
Caligraphy
QUOTE (theSOURCE @ May 11 2008, 12:38 AM) *
IMHO I don't think it's a good idea to let anyone talk you into believing that you may have been abducted. Regardless of the way many abduction proponents refuse to accept it, sleep paralysis can and does create vivid and bizarre mental images that can be mistaken for an actual experience. I know this because I've dealt with it for many years.


Oh jeez I haven't been here for so long, I've forgotten how to quote more then one user. XD

Anyways. In no way am I taking ANYONES view points serious (unless they're logical and make sense to me and a doctor) I have but one doubt in my mind that this is all just due to the stress of graduating and the need to find a job..
But thank you for your response and honest opinion. original.gif
Caligraphy
QUOTE (Reptilian @ May 11 2008, 06:02 AM) *
As a former drug-user I can tell you that your brain is so powerful that is it capable of creating entire worlds within your head.

Even if you were completely conscious and was witness to "Aliens" walking right in front of you, there is absolutely no reason to believe they were real.

Your mind could have created that reality due to a thousand and one reasons. Stress, pent up emotion, passed trauma, schizophrenia... the list is endless.

Unless you're trying to cash in on the illusion I'd stop thinking it. But before that, I'd contact some so called "abductees" and see how much money we're exactly talking about grin2.gif


Oh I'm one hundred percent positive that this is all just a crazy vivid dream. I've been getting more and more interested in the field of the paranormal, that this is in fact a result of my over-active imagination. But I've heard once before from a friend who's studying to be a psychiatrist, that all this could be due to a passed traumatic experience, and I have PLENTY of those. XD
And HAHAHA! Really? I never knew I could be given money for claiming to be an "abductee" XD.. I'm going to have to jump on that bandwagon more often in public. XDD
Thank you for that Reptilian, that made me laugh alot. And thank you for your responds, it's most appreciated here.
Caligraphy
QUOTE (OldTimeRadio @ May 11 2008, 12:52 PM) *
So had you ever been operated on before this time (I mean in a regular hospital) or at least been examined on a table by multiple surgical-masked physicians?


Nope, I have never even been inside a hospital in my past, let alone be worked on. Of coarse I HAVE gone inside a hospital to see my dying grandmother, and I had a cast put on, but not to the point where I'd be looking up into the faces of surgeons. I'm sure this is all due to some vivid dream, but you know how it is when you think a dream is SOO real you have no other choice but to believe.

I've resently had my wisdom teeth removed, but that was back in January, and this dream accorded three years ago.
Thank you very much OldTimeRadio, for your respons. original.gif
loveemotion
Two things.

When i was a child i had same nightmare happening to me not often but still it was there.. now..
1. That could be someone like Grays.. showign you this so they could feed of off it.. sacre tactics.. they feed of fear and when you wake up you feel like you loosing a part of yourself very weird.. if elt that.. next time ill lvoe the sh** out of them xD

2. Subconcious mind. Thats why people mediatte because we get way to much information for your 3-10% average workign brain to work with.. so they stil the mind and.. well it is on individual basis.. you need to find a peace of your own..

3. It could be someone who is lookign over you.. and then test you to see if you have risen to the promise you've made to be the best you can be.. that means love. So basicly whatever happenes in your dream you shouldnt fear it..

P.S. After ive embrased my nightmares and started to have fun with them... well they just disappeared. By the way i beleive all of this above points have happening to me.
OldTimeRadio

There are other times than surgery during which a physician might wear a surgical mask - for example if the examiner has a cold, or the patient has an especially communicable disease, or sometimes for general protection at the height of an exceptionally virulent 'flu epidemic.
icet925
Interesting...
maybe hypnotizing will help bring back that certain dream you were saying.
or maybe it will even help you get a good night rest.

"Hypnosis (from the Greek hypnos, "sleep") is "a trance-like state that resembles sleep b The technique is used for medical purposes to relieve anxiety or otherwise improve or alter behavior. It is also used in popular stage acts in which subjects are persuaded to perform bizarre feats."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnosis


Nonetheless, its doesn't hurt to try.
But I'm not sure where you can do that, especially with someone you don't trust.

icet925
rapid7
QUOTE (icet925 @ May 23 2008, 09:53 AM) *
Interesting...
maybe hypnotizing will help bring back that certain dream you were saying.
or maybe it will even help you get a good night rest.
"Hypnosis (from the Greek hypnos, "sleep") is "a trance-like state that resembles sleep b The technique is used for medical purposes to relieve anxiety or otherwise improve or alter behavior. It is also used in popular stage acts in which subjects are persuaded to perform bizarre feats."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnosis
Nonetheless, its doesn't hurt to try.
But I'm not sure where you can do that, especially with someone you don't trust.
icet925


I think hypnosis and this stage could be potentially be dangerous... especially in light with known conditions such as false memory Syndrome.
Hypnosis could delude the person into thinking they've been abducted by aliens when they haven't.
Having said that, yes sometimes I am impressed by the results of hypnosis but this is only after the witness can remember the original experience in detail. Personally speaking I still wouldn't recommend it because it seems to be another layer of possible inaccurate information on top of the already fallible nature of subjective memories.



Hamlyn
The abduction phenomenon has been experienced by a large number of people. There's no need to be embarrassed about it, unless you go around doing embarrassing things because of it.

I had the full-blown abduction experience when I was five years old. This was a few decades before Communion, but it followed that narrative in chilling detail. I had never heard of Betty and Barney Hill. In fact, I never thought of the experience as having anything to do with space aliens at all. To me, the intruders were just blue dwarflike things, and I always figured the vision was informed more by the fantasy genre than science fiction.

I still have no idea what, if anything, the experience really means. I just know that a lot of us have had it, very specifically. I guess it has to be one of several things: some kind of archetypal dreamlike construct that the human brain sometimes disgorges for reasons unknown; some kind of interaction with nonphysical beings who are also "ideas" that somehow have a life of their own (something like Jungian archetypes); an interaction with, for want of a better word, extradimensional beings who can travel into and out of our physical continuum (faeries, basically); or actual space aliens.

I wouldn't give all those hypotheses equal weight, and I have always favored the first one-- that it's a hallucination that is somehow common to a lot of us. How it is interpreted may be shaped by culture and personality, but the experience itself does not seem to be. I would guess that the common details are a result of human brain structure and function.

Anyway, that's my rundown on the whole abduction thing. It doesn't seem from your description that there are enough elements of it present to classify your experience that way. Often, sleep paralysis with hallucinations occurs without following the abduction narrative. Sometimes, it even occurs as part of some other paranormal experience, such as a haunting. Usually, I think it comes across as just a vivid waking nightmare that involves a feeling of presence in the room, maybe a visual and auditory hallucination of figures around you, intense panic, and an inability to move.

Is there more to the story?
Alienated Being
The majority of people on these boards (definitely not including myself) are skeptics. I accept everything as being a possibility... but I -do- try to subject things to rationalization whenever I can. Sleep paralysis can indeed expose you to vivid mental imagery... perhaps surgery is a subconscious fear of yours? It is hard to say, as there are very few elements in your story which would indicate an abduction. Has anything else happened to you that MAY suggest abduction?
OldTimeRadio
QUOTE (Hamlyn @ May 23 2008, 02:04 PM) *
The abduction phenomenon has been experienced by a large number of people. There's no need to be embarrassed about it, unless you go around doing embarrassing things because of it.


When Whitley Strieber published COMMUNION and asked for readers' accounts of their own abduction experiences he received something in the number of 800,000 replies. 30,000 of those detailed events in which two or more individuals had been abducted together.

That's an impressive total, whether or not one accepts abduction as a genuine physical occurrence.
rapid7

QUOTE (OldTimeRadio @ May 23 2008, 08:35 PM) *
When Whitley Strieber published COMMUNION and asked for readers' accounts of their own abduction experiences he received something in the number of 800,000 replies. 30,000 of those detailed events in which two or more individuals had been abducted together.
That's an impressive total, whether or not one accepts abduction as a genuine physical occurrence.


Many years ago, I remember reading a review of Communion and laughing...I couldn't believe a Sci-fiction writer was claiming the events were real.
Especially when you consider the descriptions of said 'aliens' plus I wasn't into the ufolore or whatever you want to call it.

However now, I'm not laughing anymore and my opinion of Whitley Strieber has vastly improved. That's not to say I agree with all his conclusions.. but I accept some of his observations.
I only read Communion last year and was impressed. Brave guy for going public...
OldTimeRadio
QUOTE (rapid7 @ May 24 2008, 11:37 AM) *
I couldn't believe a Sci-fiction writer was claiming the events were real.


That bothered me at first, too, until I realized that it might very well have been those abduction experiences which turned him into a novelist - whether those experiences are objectively real or not.

But I miss those great novels!
dracula.Factory
I too suffer from sleep paralysis, I also believe in aliens and alien abduction. I know that I am not being abducted by aliens because no self-respecting alien would abduct me grin2.gif and there have been people around me when I am experiencing the sleep paralysis that help me snap out of it, usually my girlfriend, my mother as well when I was a kid, when they used to call them night terrors.

I have had experiences from the alienish to the supernatural to the sharks that live in my carpet, add an overlay of sleep paralysis and any dream will become hell.

One thing that makes sleep paralysis so real is that sometimes your dreams are superimposed over reality. You may have your eyes wide open, still be asleep and dreaming, and be getting sensory input from both your dream and reality at the same time.

My last sleep paralysis experience was of an alien in my bedroom, it was around three feet tall and it was standing next to my bed, its attention somewhere else. When the sleep paralysis hit my eyes opened and the alien was still there next to the bed and he was looking towards the bathroom. I wanted to pounce on him and kick him like that whole Charlie Murphy/Rick James thing before he could turn and notice that I was there, the whole terror was wrapped around the fact that my brain was screaming telling me to wail on his legs but my arms would not respond and I knew that at any moment he could turn around and see me helpless.

What ended the experience was that Rachel, my girlfriend, began spraying Febreeze in the room to get rid of the evidence that she had been smoking lol. She told me that I sat up straight and began to pummel the air next to me, she said after she asked me what was wrong I said nothing and went back to sleep.

I explained to her about my sleep paralysis the next day and she said she had been wondering why I swear and talk very angry in my sleep like I'm fighting someone. I said that it was me trying to fighting off nightmares.

Lastly, I always take alien abduction with a grain of salt because I KNOW how real sleep paralysis can be, and how confusing when you don't know what happened. I believe that the worst horrors that can come for you are the ones that you make up, nothing in reality can be as aweful because (all things being equal of course) no one but you has access to your deep inner psyche.
ambelamba
QUOTE (Caligraphy @ May 10 2008, 09:12 PM) *
Hello viewers. I would like to start off by saying that this is in no way my own opinion on my sleep deprivation.

I am not new to these boards although I've only made 7 post in my many months of being here. I started a topic in the Paranormal thread on this forum about my troubles with sleep paralysis, and I would like to say that all those posters were very helpful and kind to me. I am posting in this thread because whomever I talk to other then in this site about my paralysis, they've questioned the idea of alien abduction.. I've never thought of this theory, and I am in no way begging for it to be true. However I have had strange, vivid dreams back when I was only a child of laying on an examination table, looking up into the masked faces of what appeared to be human surgeons.

It is very difficult for me to replay these memories, basically because I'm embarrassed of the idea of alien abduction, so if anyone is at all interested in asking me and helping me out you can by all means PM me. original.gif

And if this topic has nothing to do with the thread I am posting it in, I will gladly remove it..


Try anti-epileptic medication. Carl Sagan told about an alleged abductee who stopped abudction simply by taking epilepsy drug.
cpjason
There is no point dwelling on things that we cannot control. Lets say you found out that you were abuducted and still are, how does that help you? You can't stop it and thinking about it only causes you emotional distress. Everytime the thought enters your head take a deep breath and think about something else. No good can come of knowing that you have been abducted. If you tell people, they wont believe you, you will have no proof, and you cannot stop it from happening.

They aren't hurting you, and you are asleep when it happens. Just be glad you aren't awake. Ignorance is bliss, it was only a dream. Say it and believe it.
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