Almost all great civilizations had their own rulers who were believed to be the sons of the Gods, right? The Chinese emperor, the Egyptian pharaoh, the Japanese Emperor, among others. So who was the first? I was just thinking about this and how it relates to our society today. I guess what I'm saying is, the First Ones, appointed these wise men as representatives of the Holy, the Landlords of the Divine, who was supposed to look after Their chosen race.

I remember a Chinese Legend long ago about an emperor who was supposedly like a puppet king for the real ruler, who is a fire dragon. Well, seems like crazy, but think about it. All around the world the immortals passed their kingdoms to the humans, but as history tells it, Feudalism failed.

But isn't it interesting that almost all kingdoms use Feudalism as basis for their system? The Chinese Empire was by far the best in applying this, where their people fear and humbly respect their emperor above all else.

But, like all the civilizations in the world, the representative of the Divine lost their power over their people, not because of their lack of knowledge or resources. The first few centuries, their rule was absolute. But as time passed, they lost their divinity, not just the people's belief in their divinity, but their actual divinity, the ones that their Ancestors passed on to them. And so having lost their credibility as the descendants of the Divine, they too doubted themselves and regarded themselves as mortals.

Which is why we now allow ourselves to be ruled by our selected Government Officials, each country divided among the others, even amongst themselves.

So the representatives failed.

But think about it, seriously, what if the Divine Being did come at this age and time, would you submit to him and accept him as your Ruler?

What if they decided that since they were the Original Rulers, and since the first thrones were theirs, would you yield to their command?

Maybe you won't, and for good reasons. But what about the others???



"Empires fall, there are no exceptions."

Not anymore...

I have read that feudalism in Europe failed because the rank and file killing each other at battles were annoyed that the opposing nobles were all sitting around the same table swilling mead and discussing how they were all descended from Trojans.

The only person we can expect to come who claim divinity is the Anti-Christ. the way the world is today and ready to accept So called sons of gods, demi gods etc, it will be quite easy for people to accept the anti christ as god.

The entity(ies) you speak of..still remain.
Dealing with modern men (in not an entirely) different way.
The concern is..modern man misses this recognition.

chuck norris is one but the others who knows

That's not really how it happened. Feudalism faded away in Europe over several centuries (Sark, one of the Channel Islands was the last feudal state; it got rid of feudal holdings on a few weeks ago) and there were several factors, social, political and economic.

--Jaylemurph

I would not, you can not just leave your spot in the lunch line and just expect to get it back when you wish.

Do you mean if God came to Earth and set up His Kingdom, would I be his follower?

Yes, I would, as long as I could divine that he was actually God and not some false God.

I'd do whatever he directed, even to throw myself into a war to wipe out His enemies.

But, that is dependant on Him being here on Earth and that I could verify His nature.

list of moderns gods: chuck norris, steven seagal, van damme, bruce lee

i beleive my family descends from the Faye. but to prove it may be difficult.

i would not bow to the originals gods or not they can still fall.

The first recorded are the Sumerians, Akkadians (Mesapotamians) they personified the Elementals of our Universe and enabled them to manifest on to our earthly plane.
The Egyptians go further back to Sep Tepy and also enabled the Elementals to manifest.

I don't think that there was ever a "Divine" Being ruling on this planet and if someone claimed to be one I would not accept him as my ruler. In fact, I don't accept anyone as my "ruler".

I think you answered your own question.

If the original Kinds, Queens, Pharoahs, et al, were of divine origins, then their blood lines would have been diluted throught he generations, thus they lost their divinity, therefore losing their right to rule. Not to mention those who were assasinated, executed, et al, cutting the "divine bloodline" off abruptly.

This along with sociopolitical changes and the shift away from "pagan" religions into a worldwide uniformity of religion (think christianity, islam, etc) it would only be natural that these diluted descendents of dieties were no long suitable to rule.

However, if the "Gods" (read aliens given not even gods are from this earth, thus aliens) came along today wanting us to submit to their rule, I doubt we'd have a choice not to tbh.

I believe the aliens came once, actually demons. They mated their way into mankind and were destroyed in the flood. Did it again through Nimrod and Semiramis. They were the original pagan pantheons and became known by different names. The sons of Heracles were the Dorian invaders of Greece coming back to take revenge that their ancestors were booted out and they were of this line. They reclaimed the Peloponnesian. Maybe another line of them were the 'sea peoples' that invaded the Mediterranean as well but I am not sure. They were behind the Europa legend. They were behind the Quinotaur that sired the line of the Merovingian Franks. Princess Diana had their blood and Prince Charles had the title and their marriage was arranged so Prince William could come into power with the blood and title.

I will not worship any person who claims they are God. I will not worship the aliens if they come and claim they helped us before and want to do so again. I will not worship the Antichrist. I will not accept a mark of the beast or any other bio-chip system that is needed to buy and sell. I have a choice even if that means martyrdom.

I was just wondering because of the supposed bloodline of Jesus. What if somehow the bloodline does exist? And by unknown reasons they do have something close to divinity to prove it. What's gonna happen? How are the people gonna react? How would you react?

Personally i have lived my life free from religion. IF such a religious figure descended from wherever then i see no need to change my lifestyle to fit such a figure. Despite the fact that religion is a human construct anyway i dont see it happening, ever.

Most people will say that. Until an actual God-like person shows up. Then, I think, a lot of re-assessment will be going on in the world.

Hopefully this will not happen in our lifetimes. And hopefully, (Groan!) not in 2012.

I think what you are confusing is the difference between "Rule" and "Belief".

If a godlike/alien figure came who was more powerful than we are, and chose to rule us we would have no option other than to obey, or rebel and likely be killed.

It's not a religious thing, it's a somewhat political thing following the Children of the Gods being Kings/Queens which were histories political leaders.

Not really, in this instance (if such a thing occured) both concepts would be utilised. It would be a religous thing, whats the need for politics if IT would control the world ? No doubt IT would demand worship...despite the fact that Religion / Gods / Higher entities and all the like, are human constructs...

Anyone ever read, "The Long Dark Teatime of the Soul" by Douglas Adams?

Maybe the gods and godesses are still around.

I was just wondering. Since the bloodline of Jesus is known, even though it is still unproven, what if somehow they exist?
Would they be the eligible Rulers of the Earth, since their Father was the Saviour of mankind?
I'm curious about the reactions of the Non Christians.

The bloodline of Jesus *isn't* known. The only thing purporting so to be was an admitted fake created by someone duly convicted of forgery. Besides, even if we did know his bloodline, that doesn't prove he was actually the son of god. (Only maybe that his descendants might be prone to fits of messianism, so they'd probably be conspiracy theorists...)

--Jaylemurph

Missing my point entirely.

/facepalm



lol

Well feel free to define it.

scratches head

if any greater power moved in i would take advantage of every once of wisdom/knowledge that oozed about them. i already know how to become a godly figure problem is making it happen. modern tech is too useless and i havent the attention/patience to build

From Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_mythology
"Heracles attained the highest social prestige through his appointment as official ancestor of the Dorian kings. This probably served as a legitimation for the Dorian migrations into the Peloponnese. Hyllus, the eponymous hero of one Dorian phyle, became the son of Heracles and one of the Heracleidae or Heraclids (the numerous descendants of Heracles, especially the descendants of Hyllus — other Heracleidae included Macaria, Lamos, Manto, Bianor, Tlepolemus, and Telephus). These Heraclids conquered the Peloponnesian kingdoms of Mycenae, Sparta and Argos, claiming, according to legend, a right to rule it through their ancestor. Their rise to dominance is frequently called the "Dorian invasion". The Lydian and later the Macedonian kings, as rulers of the same rank, also became Heracleidae."

I personally think most of the ancient gods, particularly Greek ones were based on real people who became deities, it's not uncommon for this to happen, worship of a person to the level of a God. In ancient times Zeus, Hades and Poseidon may have been leaders of a people who conquered the land off a race that was more robust and could be taken as giants, titans, who worshipped the Earth Gods, but when the people of Zeus took control of the land they owned it then and split it up between them, as the known Earth as this time would have been relatively small the areas of sea wouldn't have been worldwide, it could have been the area of the Black Sea, Poseidon pops up in the Black Sea alot. That sort of thing, over time, the tales and stories of these heroic leaders and many Greek heros had the Gods bloodline, were told and used as explanations for the events of the times, which became myths told but myths that actually were events, Plato tells us of one, of Phaethon. Immortaility was gained through poets like Homer. Poets, priest like sages and ancient thinkers were responsible for nearly all God renditions. Before that there were mostly Earth Goddesses who were named natural phenomenom that they thanked and hoped came to their rescue at crop time.
Many kings lines of today probably stem from old Gods, who imo were not actually godlike entities but real people who attained God like status appropriate for the ancient times.

So, I don't really hold out for the arrival of any God in the near future.......

I believe we are them and they are us. We have just been told many many stories over and over again and have forgotten who we really are and what we are capable of. We have been divided and redefined...with each division came limitations, new stories, and sets of fears...thus control. This has been an ongoing process and continues today worldwide.

I do believe that eventually we will awaken to this fact and realize that they and we are really the same consciousnesses.

What? No Mr. T?

When I first read the 12th planet I asked my self this same question, no one would willingly. It is much easier to control those who want to be controlled rather then those that resist, yeah I think if they came back we wouldn't know it collectively cause if such a thing would happen they certainly would have destroyed or caused the destruction of our civilization and either introduced new first rulers or waited for time to pass before searching for the few scattered surviors to resurge society.

the whynsos

apocalyptico is in style, forget 501 jeans, I rock the 2012 brand, lastin till the end of.....

There are clues in the bible about knowing the real God when he comes. For instance "you will know who you really are" "everything will be revealed".
This leads one to think one has lived before but, another qoute " I knew you before you were born"

Oh and weareallsuckers that is all just myth isn't it? A story for children?

What? Story for children? I'm not really getting what you say......Do you mean my post explanation of what Gods are? or myths? The basis of a myth is generally derived from a real event or person but after that the poet or scribe has free reign on the telling.

i tell you now as i am here it is in the blood that makes you well you, we all come from that that has come from before and that 's that .

Well it is interesting to know there are others who see history in them and even if we are approaching it from a different standpoint we arrive on common ground in our view.

You may be interested in these lists:



http://people.uncw.edu/deagona/herakles/offspring.htm

The list above does not mention Hyllus. He was the first king of Illyria. He is a list of kings after him within Illyria.



http://www.geocities.com/protoillyrian/god

hrm, id unno, as soon as someone made a claim to divinity the christians and what not would scream as loud as they could that he was the antichrist, and that might et some attention. Anyone who was going to proclaim divinity would have to already be in such a position of power as to squash or persecute those that would decry him. Also in todays age of skepticism what miraculous proof could said person offer as to their divinity that couldnt be explained or debunked in someway. Nothing in video form would be acceptable, and even if a miracle was performed in front of a large audience, people who werent there to witness it could claim it was mass hysteria or something.

you forgot stevie ray vaughn, tom morello, slash, and hendrix

well this part is true the most important and renowned one nowadays is the pope because the pope is seen by the catholics as the reincarnation of christ on earth

The pope is supposed to be the vicar of christ, the person who takes Christs place; it's his successor. The pope isn't a /reincarnation/ of god.

I mean, it's not like I have a pony in this race, but I see no reason to be imprecise.

--Jaylemurph

But what if, in some profound and mystical way, this new guy demonstrates his Divinity, like curing AIDS or something, would that make you proclaim him as your saviour?

And all he asks in return is this one thing...

There is no divinity, why the poor little guy hates religions in part for what they make people think about him. Another way of looking at it is this, The beasts control religion, and the people through it, don't you think that they would say that within their religions, so that when he does show up, the beasts have gotten his own people to destroy him, with belief's that have nothing to do with what really is, and that is him.

That he is in the process of destroying them in part by natrual disasters is not unexpected, that the jews and the chinese have a secret agenda to dominate the world, he knows, as he knows everything. The religious/jewish zionists over here are a part of that plot, and they control the christian scientists/black coalition/liberals/feminists. He hates the fems, why he calls them harpys.

The people are free of the chains that had bound them, with the layers of beliefs that because of the true nature of this percieved reality, had been made to seem real, the sterile torture's of the heaven and hell beliefs. All that is left is the deceptive perceptions caused by religions, and their beliefs and the effects they have on this world.

All the rest has been cleared away/erased, and all that remains is the final battle of the people against the beasts. Here in the here and now, which really is the end of time.

If you put the dragon/lion/eagle/pheonix together, you have the symbols of the ancient bloodlines of he who is reals family. The griffin was also a symbol of that family, and freedom in the long ago. The dragon is the symbol for the boy king/uncrowned king, who never grows/ages/dies. The lion is his son, he who was once king james. The eagle of America represents the freedom of the true people, the pheonix the boy kings ressurection.

He built this nation, did you know that? for it was from here that the people/caucausions had once come from, the north eastern part of the united states is where edgar case had predicted that Atlantis would rise. Atlantis is a person, he who is real, from who our reality is generated from, and why it is confused with the divinity crap of religion, because they think only an empty alien/horror/creature thing of beliefs, could have created it all, not true at all. Despite being on the galatic rim of our galaxy, it is the center of everything, because he is here.

The world is in an empty wilderness we call time/space, the world is like a blue eye, along with the other blue worlds of the people scattered about. The beasts are paradys of humans, mimics. They themselves think they are human, the majority of them. All of them have black eyes. If you peruse the myths and legends, as well as the holy books, there are bit's and pieces of the truth within all of them, the entire story. You just need to get past the beliefs, and see the real information still contained therein.

Anyway, thanks for asking.

The thing is, he is'nt asking anything of anyone, he is just doing what is supposed to be done to save himself, and the people. The new dawn will come, but this is the end of time, the time of the beasts. Not the end of being human. Himself and his kings, which he does rule, as they rule the people and the different branchs of them here{all caucausions} have awakened to save the people from the beasts, whether they want to be or not, why i will destroy those of the people who side with the beasts, and their religions.

The next stage forward if you will, are going to see a lot of changes, Robert is the first of you all, and he will be reborn as C'ana, who he really is. He is an innocent and simple man, Robert, one of honor, and the values from that which are respect. But far from stupid, however he may spell, hear that jay?

I don't give a crap about divinity, it is'nt real, i am. Bye now.

If you're asking me, I'd say that unless you're Doctor Who, the incipient Multiple Personality Disorder is more of a concern, frankly, than your spelling. But whatever it takes to get you through the night...

--Jaylemurph

Your always so full them are'nt you jay, i did predict what is happening, here before it happened, if you find the rest of it not to your likeing, oh well. Bye now.

I imagine if you're incoherent enough, *anything* can be a prophecy. Certainly, Nostradamus got that trick.

Seems to me if you really had the gift of prophecy, you might be more useful about it: China would have appreciated a heads-up about that Earthquake, I'm sure.

--Jaylemurph

I was clear about it all right, and it's not something as asine as prophecy, that is religious/foolery terminology. I wrote it here at U.M. I am under no obligation to use my ability's to help others i don't want to, especially them. Many event's i see/know/understand, i don't write about because they are supposed to happen for the broader picture, i only change those i want to, to guide the event's in favor of myself, and the people. And those i love.

Yes, i knew what was going to happen, days before i ever wrote them, i know when people are going to die, and how that happens to them, i've wrote some of those here, and they are going to happen soon, and no one will be able to stop the events, i've made sure of it. There will be no religious virus infected empire on my watch, and those of the people who have betrayed the people to the beasts, and their religions, deserve, and are going to die for their crimes.

I am ruler, lord protector, arbiter, and executioner, for the people, those who are of me. But someone like you can't understand that, you believe that everyone on this world is human, you are wrong. Even amoung humans, not all are created equal, certainly not the beasts, who only say everyone is through their religions, to destroy the people. Got something special planned for the beasts that say they are their imaginary gods chosen. Isreal will be a smokeing hole in the ground. And they will cause it through their own actions.

There are no gift's, all the people have ability's, and i the strongest of them, they are our's, not given to us by some empty scum thing of beliefs. China can be flooded/drowned for all i care about them. What they are planning is against the people, they will perish, and that final mega quake is going to happen, and that technological monstrosty of a dam is going to be broken. There's the flood. That will incedently, take out 3 quarters of their degreed/skilled workers/scientists.

Have a nice day in that degreed cave of rightuosness you live in, humanity will be saved all right, but the only humans here are myself, and the people. and the amerinds who i made promise to, as well as the blacks, if they go back to africa, and turn it into a real nation, instead of the filthy den of murder, and poverty it is now.

But that won't happen until the part of them i call the black coalition, that is part of the religious zionist/zionist jew conspiracy, those who are the majority in congress, and the senate, are defeated. They launch their little civil war soon, and they, the majority of them, will die. Obama will also fall, as well as the clintons. They are buried in the conspiracy so deep, they cannot escape it. Nor will i let them. Bloomberg will gurgle as he falls to his death, shot down like the beast he is. Fiengold as well. There is so much collected evidence of their religious conspiracy, and the thing's they have done to their "fellow Americans" and what started the war in the first place, that even if they live{which they won't} they will be executed for conspiracy/rebellion/treason, and in war time no less. They all deserve what is comeing for them, and not for the least, the deaths and suffering they have cuased for their own religous conspiracy.

There, no one can say i did'nt write the truth, and a warning, after it all happens. I piss on them all for what they have done, and are doing. Goodbye then jay, i won't respond to you now, for you are not even a pawn.

I'm going to leave you to dribble on your own now. You've passed the point where you need others to point out you're differently sane.

--Jaylemurph

Ahhh sarcasm...silly me.
Yes, great lists, I'm sure there is a lot more. Horus, I believe was a man God.

Oh so you really do not believe the mythical figures of various cultures are all based around once living people? Ah well I fail at sarcasm sometimes if that is what you mean. Cheers.

We must be crossing wires because yes, I believe what you say is true that mythical figures of various cultures are all based around once living people. Even Santa Claus has his base in a real person.

The Chinese were certainly not the only ancient culture that believed it was controlled by dragons as you say. Virtually every human culture in its earliest stages, confirmed they were ruled by eerily similar flying reptilian deities that eventually were claimed to have human offsping that become the first 'god kings'. It would seem natural that a feudalistic system would emerge in the wake of being ruled by frightening monsters that demanded animals, and sometimes humans as offerings.

Now the question is, why did all of these human cultures seperated by vast oceans in some cases, all come up with this same idea for their earliest recorded dieteis. Because they found some dinosaurs bones? Would that alone be the basis for 'dragon gods' all over the world?

In cultures where we have good records of their beliefs, like mesopotamia these 'Great Serpent Dragons of Heaven' as they are called in their hymns, are still subservient to a "creator god'. The disappearance of the 'dragon gods' once a culture attained a degree of civilization suggests (if any of the old legends are true), that they were 'recalled' by this 'creator deity' once their work was accomplished. But the new crop of humanoid gods, probably entirely mythic, often retain characteristics of the older dragon gods. Zeus eats his children, and controlls the weather, Yahweh spews fire from his mouth and also controlls weather (a universal dragon trait) etc.

Another thread hijacked. Somone pop open the champagne.