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Although their architecual acheivments are very similar, I find it hard to believe the Greeks sailed all the way to Central America. I beleive its possible that the Greeks had a way to spread their ideas to America though. Coincidence is always another possibility.
The website Greeks In America linked in the 1st post starts by saying these pics are proof of Greeks in BC times being in America....
Mayan culture only began in 250AD. The buildings in Uxnal were not even built until 700AD to 1100AD. No BC there.
(I always wonder how anyone can think these civilisations were Atlantis also, for the same reason, how could Plato be mentioning an ancient culture in MesoAmerica when the Mayans didn't even start until 250AD.........?)
So even if Greek influence was present in the buildings it would not have had to enter until at least AD.
The Phoenicians had gone long before these buildings were built.
People who had been both to Greece and sacked Delphi, were very powerful conquerers and fit the time frame. The Celts, they also sacrificed people, even their family and liked colourful garments and were obsessively religious ie: druids. Greek influences could have arrived via Celts.
Celts have lots of sea going stories and tales of seal people and voyages on the sea. I'd bet they even have this pattern incorporated into their endless array of Celtic designs. By 54BC Caesar ended their dominance, they then dispersed over the next few hundred years, possibly trying to escape Roman rule they headed out west in ships hitting the Americas. 500 years before this they sacked Delphi. Tough and very resilient, they could have made it, what evidence is there that disproves they had any contact whatsoever with the Americas? So if Greek influence is in America I would conclude it a possibility it arrived via Celts circa 250AD. By 500 years later when these buildings were built these elements introduced early on by the Celts were well and truly established into the MesoAmerican cultures.
http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/israelites.html
The name Celts was the designation given to those peoples who emerged from the same geographical location where the so called 'Lost Tribes of Israel' had disappeared from at an earlier stage of world history. These people migrated across Europe to settle in the British Isles and the coasts of France and Spain. They were a well organized sea power at the time when Julius Caesar and his Roman legions invaded Britain in 55 B.C.; and he, in fact, makes reference to their ocean-going vessels. Professor Fell has now identified the megalithic structures at Mystery Hill, New Hampshire as a type of temple observatory dedicated to the ancient Celtic sun-god Bel (it was for worshipping this same Baal that their Israelite ancestors had been cast out of Palestine). He claims that other sites dedicated to this same deity and to other Celtic gods and goddesses have been located in Vermont, together with Celtic burial urns and other artifacts.
I don't have time to start providing evidence of this but a possible avenue for an explanation of a European population of the time frame capable of sea travel and similar cultural connections as Meso American cultures. The Celtic patterns turn up everywhere, even pre European New Zealand.
Mayan culture only began in 250AD. The buildings in Uxnal were not even built until 700AD to 1100AD. No BC there.
(I always wonder how anyone can think these civilisations were Atlantis also, for the same reason, how could Plato be mentioning an ancient culture in MesoAmerica when the Mayans didn't even start until 250AD.........?)
So even if Greek influence was present in the buildings it would not have had to enter until at least AD.
The Phoenicians had gone long before these buildings were built.
People who had been both to Greece and sacked Delphi, were very powerful conquerers and fit the time frame. The Celts, they also sacrificed people, even their family and liked colourful garments and were obsessively religious ie: druids. Greek influences could have arrived via Celts.
Celts have lots of sea going stories and tales of seal people and voyages on the sea. I'd bet they even have this pattern incorporated into their endless array of Celtic designs. By 54BC Caesar ended their dominance, they then dispersed over the next few hundred years, possibly trying to escape Roman rule they headed out west in ships hitting the Americas. 500 years before this they sacked Delphi. Tough and very resilient, they could have made it, what evidence is there that disproves they had any contact whatsoever with the Americas? So if Greek influence is in America I would conclude it a possibility it arrived via Celts circa 250AD. By 500 years later when these buildings were built these elements introduced early on by the Celts were well and truly established into the MesoAmerican cultures.
http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/israelites.html
The name Celts was the designation given to those peoples who emerged from the same geographical location where the so called 'Lost Tribes of Israel' had disappeared from at an earlier stage of world history. These people migrated across Europe to settle in the British Isles and the coasts of France and Spain. They were a well organized sea power at the time when Julius Caesar and his Roman legions invaded Britain in 55 B.C.; and he, in fact, makes reference to their ocean-going vessels. Professor Fell has now identified the megalithic structures at Mystery Hill, New Hampshire as a type of temple observatory dedicated to the ancient Celtic sun-god Bel (it was for worshipping this same Baal that their Israelite ancestors had been cast out of Palestine). He claims that other sites dedicated to this same deity and to other Celtic gods and goddesses have been located in Vermont, together with Celtic burial urns and other artifacts.
I don't have time to start providing evidence of this but a possible avenue for an explanation of a European population of the time frame capable of sea travel and similar cultural connections as Meso American cultures. The Celtic patterns turn up everywhere, even pre European New Zealand.
QUOTE (weareallsuckers @ May 15 2008, 05:51 PM) 
The website Greeks In America linked in the 1st post starts by saying these pics are proof of Greeks in BC times being in America....
Mayan culture only began in 250AD. The buildings in Uxnal were not even built until 700AD to 1100AD. No BC there.
(I always wonder how anyone can think these civilisations were Atlantis also, for the same reason, how could Plato be mentioning an ancient culture in MesoAmerica when the Mayans didn't even start until 250AD.........?)
So even if Greek influence was present in the buildings it would not have had to enter until at least AD.
The Phoenicians had gone long before these buildings were built.
People who had been both to Greece and sacked Delphi, were very powerful conquerers and fit the time frame. The Celts, they also sacrificed people, even their family and liked colourful garments and were obsessively religious ie: druids. Greek influences could have arrived via Celts.
Celts have lots of sea going stories and tales of seal people and voyages on the sea. I'd bet they even have this pattern incorporated into their endless array of Celtic designs. By 54BC Caesar ended their dominance, they then dispersed over the next few hundred years, possibly trying to escape Roman rule they headed out west in ships hitting the Americas. 500 years before this they sacked Delphi. Tough and very resilient, they could have made it, what evidence is there that disproves they had any contact whatsoever with the Americas? So if Greek influence is in America I would conclude it a possibility it arrived via Celts circa 250AD. By 500 years later when these buildings were built these elements introduced early on by the Celts were well and truly established into the MesoAmerican cultures.
http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/israelites.html
The name Celts was the designation given to those peoples who emerged from the same geographical location where the so called 'Lost Tribes of Israel' had disappeared from at an earlier stage of world history. These people migrated across Europe to settle in the British Isles and the coasts of France and Spain. They were a well organized sea power at the time when Julius Caesar and his Roman legions invaded Britain in 55 B.C.; and he, in fact, makes reference to their ocean-going vessels. Professor Fell has now identified the megalithic structures at Mystery Hill, New Hampshire as a type of temple observatory dedicated to the ancient Celtic sun-god Bel (it was for worshipping this same Baal that their Israelite ancestors had been cast out of Palestine). He claims that other sites dedicated to this same deity and to other Celtic gods and goddesses have been located in Vermont, together with Celtic burial urns and other artifacts.
I don't have time to start providing evidence of this but a possible avenue for an explanation of a European population of the time frame capable of sea travel and similar cultural connections as Meso American cultures. The Celtic patterns turn up everywhere, even pre European New Zealand.
Mayan culture only began in 250AD. The buildings in Uxnal were not even built until 700AD to 1100AD. No BC there.
(I always wonder how anyone can think these civilisations were Atlantis also, for the same reason, how could Plato be mentioning an ancient culture in MesoAmerica when the Mayans didn't even start until 250AD.........?)
So even if Greek influence was present in the buildings it would not have had to enter until at least AD.
The Phoenicians had gone long before these buildings were built.
People who had been both to Greece and sacked Delphi, were very powerful conquerers and fit the time frame. The Celts, they also sacrificed people, even their family and liked colourful garments and were obsessively religious ie: druids. Greek influences could have arrived via Celts.
Celts have lots of sea going stories and tales of seal people and voyages on the sea. I'd bet they even have this pattern incorporated into their endless array of Celtic designs. By 54BC Caesar ended their dominance, they then dispersed over the next few hundred years, possibly trying to escape Roman rule they headed out west in ships hitting the Americas. 500 years before this they sacked Delphi. Tough and very resilient, they could have made it, what evidence is there that disproves they had any contact whatsoever with the Americas? So if Greek influence is in America I would conclude it a possibility it arrived via Celts circa 250AD. By 500 years later when these buildings were built these elements introduced early on by the Celts were well and truly established into the MesoAmerican cultures.
http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/israelites.html
The name Celts was the designation given to those peoples who emerged from the same geographical location where the so called 'Lost Tribes of Israel' had disappeared from at an earlier stage of world history. These people migrated across Europe to settle in the British Isles and the coasts of France and Spain. They were a well organized sea power at the time when Julius Caesar and his Roman legions invaded Britain in 55 B.C.; and he, in fact, makes reference to their ocean-going vessels. Professor Fell has now identified the megalithic structures at Mystery Hill, New Hampshire as a type of temple observatory dedicated to the ancient Celtic sun-god Bel (it was for worshipping this same Baal that their Israelite ancestors had been cast out of Palestine). He claims that other sites dedicated to this same deity and to other Celtic gods and goddesses have been located in Vermont, together with Celtic burial urns and other artifacts.
I don't have time to start providing evidence of this but a possible avenue for an explanation of a European population of the time frame capable of sea travel and similar cultural connections as Meso American cultures. The Celtic patterns turn up everywhere, even pre European New Zealand.
I'm trying to prove that ancient Greeks were in America in BC times not only from the Uxmal buildings but from a whole chain of elements .
The fisrt part of the chain I think is Homer's Odyssey.
Odysseus wasn't so stupid to get lost in the very well known travelled sea of the Mediterranean.
Odysseus travel was in America.
Odysseus met people there who were speaking Greek and having the same gods and religion.
Plato mentioned Atlantis centuries later when the case had been forgotten.
Findings which have greek similarity such as pottery with greek shapes , meanders, spirals , greek waves, swastikas,
have been found from Canada to Chile.
Greek letters such as Lamda an Pi in Uxmal and New Mexico. Delphic opposite E's in Palacio de las Grecas Mexico.
Jewelry very close to Mycenean jewelry.
Climax pyramids were built with the pythagorean way depending on the pi number (3,14).
Musical instruments such as Pan's flute and the Mayan lyre.
Minoan jar's with double axes have been found in Bahames.
Mycenaen architecture from Mexico to Machu Picchu.
One of these clues could be a coincidence.
All together joined are proofs.
And all these not in theory but combined with a huge photographic material.
Columbus?
what a jonny-come-lately!
everyone knows the welsh were there first!
http://www.rense.com/general28/weks.htm
what a jonny-come-lately!
everyone knows the welsh were there first!
http://www.rense.com/general28/weks.htm
QUOTE (weareallsuckers @ May 15 2008, 05:51 PM)
The website Greeks In America linked in the 1st post starts by saying these pics are proof of Greeks in BC times being in America....
Mayan culture only began in 250AD. The buildings in Uxnal were not even built until 700AD to 1100AD. No BC there.
(I always wonder how anyone can think these civilisations were Atlantis also, for the same reason, how could Plato be mentioning an ancient culture in MesoAmerica when the Mayans didn't even start until 250AD.........?)
So even if Greek influence was present in the buildings it would not have had to enter until at least AD.
The Phoenicians had gone long before these buildings were built.
People who had been both to Greece and sacked Delphi, were very powerful conquerers and fit the time frame. The Celts, they also sacrificed people, even their family and liked colourful garments and were obsessively religious ie: druids. Greek influences could have arrived via Celts.
Celts have lots of sea going stories and tales of seal people and voyages on the sea. I'd bet they even have this pattern incorporated into their endless array of Celtic designs. By 54BC Caesar ended their dominance, they then dispersed over the next few hundred years, possibly trying to escape Roman rule they headed out west in ships hitting the Americas. 500 years before this they sacked Delphi. Tough and very resilient, they could have made it, what evidence is there that disproves they had any contact whatsoever with the Americas? So if Greek influence is in America I would conclude it a possibility it arrived via Celts circa 250AD. By 500 years later when these buildings were built these elements introduced early on by the Celts were well and truly established into the MesoAmerican cultures.
http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/israelites.html
The name Celts was the designation given to those peoples who emerged from the same geographical location where the so called 'Lost Tribes of Israel' had disappeared from at an earlier stage of world history. These people migrated across Europe to settle in the British Isles and the coasts of France and Spain. They were a well organized sea power at the time when Julius Caesar and his Roman legions invaded Britain in 55 B.C.; and he, in fact, makes reference to their ocean-going vessels. Professor Fell has now identified the megalithic structures at Mystery Hill, New Hampshire as a type of temple observatory dedicated to the ancient Celtic sun-god Bel (it was for worshipping this same Baal that their Israelite ancestors had been cast out of Palestine). He claims that other sites dedicated to this same deity and to other Celtic gods and goddesses have been located in Vermont, together with Celtic burial urns and other artifacts.
I don't have time to start providing evidence of this but a possible avenue for an explanation of a European population of the time frame capable of sea travel and similar cultural connections as Meso American cultures. The Celtic patterns turn up everywhere, even pre European New Zealand.
Mayan culture only began in 250AD. The buildings in Uxnal were not even built until 700AD to 1100AD. No BC there.
(I always wonder how anyone can think these civilisations were Atlantis also, for the same reason, how could Plato be mentioning an ancient culture in MesoAmerica when the Mayans didn't even start until 250AD.........?)
So even if Greek influence was present in the buildings it would not have had to enter until at least AD.
The Phoenicians had gone long before these buildings were built.
People who had been both to Greece and sacked Delphi, were very powerful conquerers and fit the time frame. The Celts, they also sacrificed people, even their family and liked colourful garments and were obsessively religious ie: druids. Greek influences could have arrived via Celts.
Celts have lots of sea going stories and tales of seal people and voyages on the sea. I'd bet they even have this pattern incorporated into their endless array of Celtic designs. By 54BC Caesar ended their dominance, they then dispersed over the next few hundred years, possibly trying to escape Roman rule they headed out west in ships hitting the Americas. 500 years before this they sacked Delphi. Tough and very resilient, they could have made it, what evidence is there that disproves they had any contact whatsoever with the Americas? So if Greek influence is in America I would conclude it a possibility it arrived via Celts circa 250AD. By 500 years later when these buildings were built these elements introduced early on by the Celts were well and truly established into the MesoAmerican cultures.
http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/israelites.html
The name Celts was the designation given to those peoples who emerged from the same geographical location where the so called 'Lost Tribes of Israel' had disappeared from at an earlier stage of world history. These people migrated across Europe to settle in the British Isles and the coasts of France and Spain. They were a well organized sea power at the time when Julius Caesar and his Roman legions invaded Britain in 55 B.C.; and he, in fact, makes reference to their ocean-going vessels. Professor Fell has now identified the megalithic structures at Mystery Hill, New Hampshire as a type of temple observatory dedicated to the ancient Celtic sun-god Bel (it was for worshipping this same Baal that their Israelite ancestors had been cast out of Palestine). He claims that other sites dedicated to this same deity and to other Celtic gods and goddesses have been located in Vermont, together with Celtic burial urns and other artifacts.
I don't have time to start providing evidence of this but a possible avenue for an explanation of a European population of the time frame capable of sea travel and similar cultural connections as Meso American cultures. The Celtic patterns turn up everywhere, even pre European New Zealand.
Caesar does mention the massive sea-going ships of the Celtic tribes of the north-west Atlantic coast of france and britain. Made of oak and much taller than the boats the Romans managed to knock together. These would easily have been capable of ocean travel, if they could cope with the english channel they could manage just about anything. shore-hugging on this coastline is not always the safest thing to do....much better to get out to deeper water.
He does offer a description of them in his Gallic Wars, but this doesnt mean they did reach america..at least there is no proof.
The bireme and triremes that were handy in the med were totally unsuited for use in the Atlantic....eventually he made vessels along the 'native' lines to make his landings in Britain...also put to use the fleet he had managed to capture.
It may be that other peoples from the med, who encountered the harsher conditions of the Atlantic did likewise....but we have no proof.
QUOTE (tkoletsis @ May 15 2008, 04:13 PM)
I'm trying to prove that ancient Greeks were in America in BC times not only from the Uxmal buildings but from a whole chain of elements .
The fisrt part of the chain I think is Homer's Odyssey.
Odysseus wasn't so stupid to get lost in the very well known travelled sea of the Mediterranean.
Odysseus travel was in America.
Odysseus met people there who were speaking Greek and having the same gods and religion.
The fisrt part of the chain I think is Homer's Odyssey.
Odysseus wasn't so stupid to get lost in the very well known travelled sea of the Mediterranean.
Odysseus travel was in America.
Odysseus met people there who were speaking Greek and having the same gods and religion.
So, umm, the Harry Potter books say that Hogwarts is in Scotland And Scotland's a real place. And they all speak English in the books, and they mention a real prime minister, and Harry seems like a smart guy.
Wanna join me in a expedition to find Hogwarts?
--Jaylemurph
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ May 12 2008, 04:35 PM)
I thought about that. I've never seen any thought on the subject before. All I can suggest is that maybe the Canadian areas weren't as densely populated or that the micro-organisms of the disease had a harder time thriving there than further South. And I don't know what kind of contact the Norse would have had with the natives -- though I think I can remember reading that a few loan words slipped into the natives, which does suggest significant contact.
For all we know, there /could/ have been a huge native die-off near L'Anse aux Meadows and elsewhere that we know nothing about. And after all I've said here, I'd hate -- hate -- to suggest turning to mythology for definitive proof.
--Jaylemurph
For all we know, there /could/ have been a huge native die-off near L'Anse aux Meadows and elsewhere that we know nothing about. And after all I've said here, I'd hate -- hate -- to suggest turning to mythology for definitive proof.
--Jaylemurph
I always believed the Vikings didnt carry a lot of disease abroad with them because they were constantly travelling and pillaging, and didnt stay in one place long enough to be infected by the filth of cities and the lack of amenities at the time. That and the slaughter of villages infected by the plague or so my Irish tour guide said on vacation.....
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ May 16 2008, 07:16 AM)
So, umm, the Harry Potter books say that Hogwarts is in Scotland And Scotland's a real place. And they all speak English in the books, and they mention a real prime minister, and Harry seems like a smart guy.
Wanna join me in a expedition to find Hogwarts?
--Jaylemurph
Wanna join me in a expedition to find Hogwarts?
--Jaylemurph
Now, you mean to tell me that there was no Cyclops and no Kerkira the witch? And his men did not get converted into pigs? No mermaids singing? That surely can't be...why would this guy Homer take some poetic liberties in telling the absolute truth?
QUOTE (tkoletsis @ May 16 2008, 07:13 AM)
I'm trying to prove that ancient Greeks were in America in BC times not only from the Uxmal buildings but from a whole chain of elements .
The fisrt part of the chain I think is Homer's Odyssey.
Odysseus wasn't so stupid to get lost in the very well known travelled sea of the Mediterranean.
Odysseus travel was in America.
Odysseus met people there who were speaking Greek and having the same gods and religion.
The fisrt part of the chain I think is Homer's Odyssey.
Odysseus wasn't so stupid to get lost in the very well known travelled sea of the Mediterranean.
Odysseus travel was in America.
Odysseus met people there who were speaking Greek and having the same gods and religion.
I am an advocate of ancient sea travel and had my own Egyptians in Australia? thread and now one on Greeks in Africa. During my research I have learnt quite a bit, I have now, a book from the library called The Ulysses Voyage Sea Search for the Odyssey by Tim Severin. These guys have spent their life researching this stuff and even rebuild the Argo to do the journey themselves. No where is America implied as the location of Jason or the Odyssey being lost there. It seems that they got caught by the south blowing wind near Greece and it sent them south west reaching North Africa. The lotus eaters were mentioned but I notice he fails to make a comparison to Jason being 'lost' in the same way in the same area. There is legend of Jason being swept off course and into the channels of Nth Africa. He is saved by Triton and guided out of the channels when he gives him the brazen tripod. A people of the area claim to be descendants of Jason.
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Plato mentioned Atlantis centuries later when the case had been forgotten.
Don't even start me on Atlantis....
QUOTE
Findings which have greek similarity such as pottery with greek shapes , meanders, spirals , greek waves, swastikas,
have been found from Canada to Chile.
have been found from Canada to Chile.
As someone said swastikas and these similar designs are found around the world, the swastika in it's variations is one of the most common symbols of all.
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Jewelry very close to Mycenean jewelry.
Mycenaen architecture from Mexico to Machu Picchu.
Mycenaen architecture from Mexico to Machu Picchu.
Mycenaean culture came to a close 1200BC, Machu Picchu was built around 1000AD, that's 2200 years since any Mycenaean could have landed in the Americas by the time they built Machu or Uxmal. The Incas weren't around until 1200AD. Where or who was holding onto this design info imparted by ancient Mycenaeans landing 2200years before the buildings were built? Phoenicians, well that's another story........I haven't ruled them out completely, but they were hardly Greek.
QUOTE
One of these clues could be a coincidence.
All together joined are proofs.
And all these not in theory but combined with a huge photographic material.
All together joined are proofs.
And all these not in theory but combined with a huge photographic material.
What time frame are you looking at these Greeks arriving in America, how and why do you see them arriving there? In the times of Troy, Mycenaean culture, pre 1200BC - or Greeks as in ancient Greeks? after 900BC - or more modern Greeks closer to the time of the buildings at 1000AD?
It's an interesting theory though.
QUOTE (questionmark @ May 16 2008, 07:48 AM)
Now, you mean to tell me that there was no Cyclops and no Kerkira the witch? And his men did not get converted into pigs? No mermaids singing? That surely can't be...why would this guy Homer take some poetic liberties in telling the absolute truth?
I don't know why people would want to lie like that. I here tell there's even groups of people, followers of Thespis, who go around lying in front of large groups of people. Nothing good can came of /that/.
--Jaylemurph
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ May 16 2008, 04:16 AM)
So, umm, the Harry Potter books say that Hogwarts is in Scotland And Scotland's a real place. And they all speak English in the books, and they mention a real prime minister, and Harry seems like a smart guy.
Wanna join me in a expedition to find Hogwarts?
--Jaylemurph
Wanna join me in a expedition to find Hogwarts?
--Jaylemurph
Homer against Harry Potter?
No comparison.
Homer is being discussed for the last 3000 years.
I doubt if Harry Potter will exist in the next 20 years.
QUOTE (tkoletsis @ May 17 2008, 09:29 PM)
Homer against Harry Potter?
No comparison.
Homer is being discussed for the last 3000 years.
I doubt if Harry Potter will exist in the next 20 years.
No comparison.
Homer is being discussed for the last 3000 years.
I doubt if Harry Potter will exist in the next 20 years.
So, you claim there was a real witch who converted men into pigs? and a Cyclops who lost an eye and blamed Nobody? Pleeeezzze!!!!
Just because we found one small part true in Homers account (the existence of Troy) it is a little far fetched to claim that the rest of the poem is historically accurate. We could say the same about Mike Hammer... after all, New York is a real place.
QUOTE (questionmark @ May 17 2008, 10:32 PM)
So, you claim there was a real witch who converted men into pigs? and a Cyclops who lost an eye and blamed Nobody? Pleeeezzze!!!!
Just because we found one small part true in Homers account (the existence of Troy) it is a little far fetched to claim that the rest of the poem is historically accurate. We could say the same about Mike Hammer... after all, New York is a real place.
Just because we found one small part true in Homers account (the existence of Troy) it is a little far fetched to claim that the rest of the poem is historically accurate. We could say the same about Mike Hammer... after all, New York is a real place.
Homer is the number one guide for some of the most important archaeologists.
QUOTE (tkoletsis @ May 19 2008, 01:04 AM)
Homer is the number one guide for some of the most important archaeologists.
????
You mean he was the guide for Schliemann, who may...or may not... unearthed Troy. As there is no local written reference he might as well have unearthed Diabakir, we just call it Troy because he said so.
All we can say for certain is that he discovered the remains of the Mycenaean culture.
QUOTE (questionmark @ May 18 2008, 05:52 PM)
????
You mean he was the guide for Schliemann, who may...or may not... unearthed Troy. As there is no local written reference he might as well have unearthed Diabakir, we just call it Troy because he said so.
All we can say for certain is that he discovered the remains of the Mycenaean culture.
You mean he was the guide for Schliemann, who may...or may not... unearthed Troy. As there is no local written reference he might as well have unearthed Diabakir, we just call it Troy because he said so.
All we can say for certain is that he discovered the remains of the Mycenaean culture.
There some circumstantial evidence that Schliemann's site is Troy, specifically some Luvian letters written amongst some Hittite minor princes that refer to the city and mention Homer-like names.
But tkoletsis' argument doesn't work; he's just favouring the fiction he happens to like over what he doesn't like. Fiction is fiction: if you're going to let some of it be literal, there's no reason to let all of it be so.
--Jaylemurph
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Homer is the number one guide for some of the most important archaeologists
Id guess that Pausanias is more useful in that respect....at least in mainland greece.
Will archaeologists in the distant future search for Isola?
QUOTE (lil gremlin @ May 19 2008, 02:34 AM)
Id guess that Pausanias is more useful in that respect....at least in mainland greece.
Ehm, yes...and to the contrary of Homer he was a geographer,not a poet. He had a slight hang to fabulating though...like many Greeks.
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ May 19 2008, 02:24 AM)
There some circumstantial evidence that Schliemann's site is Troy, specifically some Luvian letters written amongst some Hittite minor princes that refer to the city and mention Homer-like names.
But tkoletsis' argument doesn't work; he's just favouring the fiction he happens to like over what he doesn't like. Fiction is fiction: if you're going to let some of it be literal, there's no reason to let all of it be so.
--Jaylemurph
But tkoletsis' argument doesn't work; he's just favouring the fiction he happens to like over what he doesn't like. Fiction is fiction: if you're going to let some of it be literal, there's no reason to let all of it be so.
--Jaylemurph
That is the famous interpretation sovereignty complex that I thought only happened in religion.
You learn something new every day....
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