Has anyone ever had an experience as a P.I. or a non-P.I. where a spirit communicates with you using an EMF or Temperature Thermometer? On a TAPS/Ghost Hunters Episode I seen it happen and thought it was kind of fishy when they had Chris Flemming as a guest introducing his K-II Meter. But it has happened to TAPS on a few occasions.

Well... this past Saturday night I did a small investigation at an extremely old cemetery in Mt. Sinai, NY. It was around 10:00pm and the temperature dropped to about 50 degrees with the wind factor. With it being chilly out, I did not think our thermometers would be that useful. Especially outdoors. However, one of our investigators pulled out his infrared digital thermometer that has an ambient probe because he expressed how extremely cold it got by him. so he wanted to take a quick reading. It got to the point where I joined his side and felt how cold it got as well. The gauge read 54 degrees was the normal atmosphere temperature. However, that particular spot we stood in dropped below 30 degrees!!! We decided to try and communicate with the presence that was there. I asked it to use our tool and make it drop to certain numbers. I asked it to drop to 3 degrees! Guess what!? It dropped it to 3 degrees! It was awesome! It happened to us twice last night! the 2nd time I asked it to drop it to 2 instead of 3, and it did!

It was 54 degrees and we had a spirit drop the temperature to almost 0 degrees!? That's really creepy and amazing if you ask me!?
And yes I have the segment on video too to back it up. Which is also good! I don't have it clipped yet, but will post it soon.

We also got EMF readings too. There were no power lines nearby or houses to make the EMF readings go up. I don't think there are lines in the ground in a cemetery either? That I know of...

Anyone had an experience like that?

I havent personally but i have seen many people attempt it with mixed results . Looking forward to seeing your video .

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sorry my friend it didn't drop a whopping 3 degree's, it dropped below 30 degrees. And almost read zero! On a spring night that was 54 degrees. That's a huge drop!?

mhm. Then if you've said your piece MasterPo perhaps it would be best to allow the topic to continue. Your first post in particular was obviously not really necessary for the topic.

In the mean time I'll keep an eye on this topic and I look forward to you posting your video Pluto

What I want to know is how does a ghost actively drop the temp to whatever is asked.

If they are just people like you and me, how would they control it? I can see how their presence would "suck" the energy out of a place, but intelligently regulating it? Seems a bit far fetched to me.

Do they get a handbook about such things? Do they practice?

I've always wondered why temperature drops in the presence of a spirit? Is it the fact that they're taking energy from the atmosphere? I wonder what that whole phenomena is all about??

I thought it was far fetched myself after seeing the new Chris Flemming K-II Meter experiment on Ghost Hunters. We didn't purposely use the temp gauge because we were out doors. I myself thought it would render useless. Until my Sr. Investigator expressed how cold it got, then he pulled out the gauge. It was reading the atmosphere temp at 54 degrees. It dropped to a 3!? After I asked it to. I thought maybe at first it was just a coincidence with the temp dropping at night. But it happened a 2nd time! Only the 2nd time I asked it to drop it to a 2 degrees. It responded with a 2.

I honestly think we underestimate their intelligence. I will clip my video tomorrow morning. and hopefully get it up over the next couple of days. It only happened Saturday, so I haven't clipped anything yet. Give me two days, and I'll have it up. Then you can judge for yourself.

Its said in order to manifest they must need energy, from one of many sources. It could be from us, the atmosphere, electrical or batteries etc. What he is talking about is simple in lay terms a cold spot. When we feel a cold spt, its time to shoot a picture. Its rather a simple concept..Most people dont have equipment of that magnitude so, we rely on our senses and a camera, and many times get nothing or an orb, as they move very quickly. JMO...JN

Thank you JN... well said.

Yes, spirits will draw energy from any source they can. As JN said above, they can draw from the atmosphere, electronics, batteries, Anything that has a source of power. If they can drain those types of sources, that tells me how intelligent they are as well as knowing their surroundings on how to and where to pull those sources from???

Spirits can generate cold spots as well as hot spots.

looking forward to the post, I have had the temp. drop before it is a creepy feeling the battery drain is distrubing to..

Thanks JN!

I highly doubt such drains are an "intelligent" action...it's probably more along the lines of digestion. Our bodies do it automatically for us and we don't have to think about it.

There's no other way to explain it - how would a ghost from before modern times even know what a battery is, let alone how to knowingly drain it? Unless they do it with "touch" and can somehow see the energy in such things, what would they use to do it?

And that brings me back to them intelligently lowering a monitor to a determined level. If it's some kind of proximity monitor, they could manipulate it with their "hands"...but a thermometer?

If you died today, came back as a ghost tomorrow, and some investigator with a thermometer showed up the next day and wanted you to lower it to a specific level, what would you do? You're just a person - or were, at least.

Anytime. Also, maybe some dont know this, but spirits can also cause hot and cold spots on our bodies. For example, if there is activity going on, you may feel a burning on your arm leg, or anywhere else. OR you may get very cold or tingling on your head, or cold hand or foot etc. Its said that is when a spirit is touching us. That is an unsettling feeling but none the less, I found out it does happen. Its pretty amazing what they need to do to manifest, and its said it can take hundreds of years for some, and shorter time for others, depending on the manner of death. I tend to be a little more vigilant than most, however if you have activity, you "might" get those sensations and again, take a pic..If it makes you uncomfortable, simply get up and walk around and it will subside, and same goes with cold spots in an area..JN

No matter how you look at it, they are still finding some way to drain that energy source whether it be electronics, batteries, atmospheric...

We don't absolutely know for certain if its an intelligent act, but I still scratch my head how they are doing it? How do they know where to pull it from or what the source is? How intelligent are they? Nobody will ever know. But they are intelligent enough to move objects and manipulate our atmosphere. And as a human race, I think we have much more to learn.

Who is to say they even try draining such things? Maybe being around such things causes it automatically, that is, if there are such things as ghosts. I don't think it is them intelligently saying oh look, a flashlight, lets drain that mofo. I think it is them accidently doing so.

I think you are forgetting that many hauntings are intelligent, which means the spirit is able to communicate somehow with humans, regardless of when or how they died. The bottom line is, they need energy, thats a given, and they will take it wherever they can get it. Try taking photos of a spirit and it drains your batteries. Turn on the water and you might hear a voice. Turn on a radio and listen to white noise, and those are just a few ways, so its not unusual they take energy from the atmosphere or from humans..Anyone that has gone thru a haunting will most likely be exhausted, and why? Because the spirits drain that energy on a daily basis. We dont know why, but that is the way its been since time, and before modern technology. Even basic ghost hunting using a camera can be as effective as an entire team using gadgets and state of the art equipment. Spirits call the shots, and show themselves when they want, not when we ask. So if we ask an intelligent spirit to do something and they do it, to me, thats more common than you might know. If you ask them to knock or tap, they can do that too. The entire phenomena is pretty amazing, and we learn more about it everyday from one another, experience and research...JN

My daughter had some problems with her batteries draining, she started setting out spare batteries and said aloud, "Here are some batteries, if you need to, drain these instead of the ones in my camera" She has not had the battery draining problem since then. I don't know why they couldn't choose to ingest what they want to when they need to. I certainly choose what foods I am going to use to keep my energy up.

Well... were the times that when Jay and Grant used the K-II all just coincidences when the K-II responded to their questions? It happened with the K-II on more than one episode. They even had their EMF spike pretty high where there is no high EMF when Steve and Tango asked it to walk by their EMF Detector?

I highly doubt these were all coincidences. I'm not saying all spirits are intelligent. We just don't know for sure if they are or not. But they certainly know how to manifest themselves, show themselves in different forms, shapes, and lights? Whether you call them ghosts or just intelligent form of energy or being that is unknown, they seem somewhat intelligent and you cannot deny that fact?

They know how to move objects, and communicate with direct responses with EVP.

I think everyone's doubt on this subject is to be thanked by scientists and skeptics who keep shooting our solid evidence down by always finding ways to dismiss it.

nope i havnt had any experience like that but for being in my basement with heater turned up to 70 after sometiem into an investigation and a part of the room goes pretty cold.
but no i havnt really had much experience like that using tools, i'm trying to get the money to get those, but i'm looking forward to your clips as well!

I'm in the process of reviewing and transferring my video over to my hard drive. I wish there was a quicker way but unfortunately it takes as long as the clips to transfer them over. So if you have 2 hours of footage, it takes 2 hours to transfer. I'm also using a high speed 2.0 cable. Once I get them onto my PC, I can edit them in no time. I might even have it up by tonight if I am lucky.

I love this video camera too. I recommend it to anyone looking for a hand held. I have a Sony Hard Drive, 20x Optical Zoom, 30 gb HD, 7 hours high quality mode, 20 hours long play mode, model DCR-SR40. I belive they discontinued this model, but the night shot on it is the best I have come across compared to the newer models that are out. It costs anywhere from $499 and up. You might get lucky and find it on Ebay? One of my investigators bought a newer Sony, and the night shot on it sucked! LOL...

JVC is an ok brand name. That would be my 2nd choice in a recommendation for a hand held. Or if you can even find a Sony Hi-8. Those have good night shot for an older model. The Hi-8 I got on Ebay for around $80 ( used ) but it was in good condition. It just didn't come with a charger or anything. I bought that new.

That's what I'm saying - I'm not doubting that they are there, I'm doubting that they do it on purpose. How could they? They are probably still locked in the idea of having a body, and any abilities they have stem from that.

As for setting off various detectors, it could be as easy as them waving their hands through it or near it. EVPs? They just talk.

After all, they're just people without bodies. Do we magically become energy-draining mentalists when we die? Doubtful. They are just manipulating their environment like we would, and any draining or forms they take are a product of their condition, not a willed process. Maybe some can after time.

My point is not about the intelligence, I don't dispute it - but about how they manipulate their surroundings. They would do it like we would.

Well... nothing in our field can be proven 100% yet. Unless you experience this for yourself or see it for yourself, its going to continue to be an on going debate. That goes with anything "Paranormal".

Everything is based on theory. So far these theories seem like they can go on to infinite. I say we stop debating these theories and start putting them to the test. start ruling them out one by one. Then you'll start piecing together facts rather than opinion and theory.

Could be...Energy = heat and vise versa...

I personally havent experienced this phenonema....

Blessings

I dont really buy the theory behind the K2 meter that a spirit can communicate by making the lights blink. It's am emf meter so that means if that meter is getting readings so should other emf meters. We're still debunking that theory. Plus you have to hold down the button, after a while of holding the button down the muscles on your thumb start to constrict which could cause your thumb to move causing false readings.

hahahaha i just seen this has 666 views
sorry i just find it a bit humours

Nice one!

BTW... the video is up!

Sorry we are not facing the camera, it just happened this way.

Atmosphere Manipulation Video

Cool thanks for finally posting the video pluto . However . why when you noticed that you were apparently getting a response to your questions did you not get someone to film the temperature meter you were using . why did you not wish to have that on camera . Really without us being able to see what is going on it is no diffeent than you just telling us about it .

I do appreciate your efforts but would have liked to have seen the actual fluctuations and if they corresponded with what you were actually asking for myself .

Im not trying to be harsh or criticise i was just expecting more from the video thats all . or did i not get the full clip . you say you have video evidence to back up your claim . im not sure its enough to be honest . if all we got is your backs to the camera saying what you see .

Thanks for sharing though . I do appreciate your efforts truly .

We all make mistakes, but yes I realized this after the fact.

if this works as you say it does (and im not saying i dont believe you!) you should definately recreate it if poss and try it again with the temp showing. Its just a video of two people talking about it otherwise. Having said that you do sound pretty genuine in the video, and it doesnt sound like your acting.

oh sure . I understand that . looking forward to seeing more of your work

interesting, interesting, interesting, everytime that one guy though kept getting near i was hearing some sort of song play, did his cell phone ring or something? lol

We couldn't do any audio, due to the fact that there was a house party nearby! LOL... so that's what you hear. I think I got an EVP on my video camera too, but have to dismiss it no thanks to the party! LOL

hmmm damn, i just liked the song it was pretty funny lol, maybe you should see if you can try it again and get a similar response or something different? who knows

Its an active cemetery. We always have experiences there. There will be no doubt we will return.

sweet i hope this summer with a few friends if i can get the equipment to go to an area of aclaim hauntings and see what we can get, one friend said theres a place he wants to take me.