The horses of Apocalypse and destruction as fortold in the Bible in Revelations...opening of the seals.
How close are we to what they represent in our times? Are we any closer than we were 100 yrs ago?

White - conquest -- Disease and plaque -- Rider carries a bow and is given a crown
( We have had diseases in the past 20 yrs like AIDS, and cancer so prevelant etc


Red - war -- War,violence and Mars -- Carries a sword
(We have had recent wars- Gulf war, Iraq, afkanistan, samolia, panama, granada)


Black - Famine -- Famine drought and mass starvation -- Carries scales
(We have had mass starvation- Ethiopia and large portions of Africa etc, global warming now becoming an issue)


Pale Green - Death -- Death of all kinds and causes ---- Death followed by Hades



Are we waiting on the doorstep for the Pale Green horse?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Apocaly...netsov.jpg#file

Oh yes, we are very close. Read my post on 101 bible prophecies. Please. You will understand more. As much as we can freak out over it, we need to be prepared. We can survive, we just need to know how. It won't be easy.

Great thread, Warrior

Sometimes I wonder if it isn't our beliefs, (humans collectively), that cause these kinds of things to come about. Maybe our fears' can actually cause the events to happen over time, I don't know, just something I have wondered about. I do know that in Rev. 17 it says the beast that was and is, but yet is not...how can it be and not be at the same time?
I have asked my mother (she is in her seventies) if she thought 'the end' was getting closer and she said it's no closer than it's always been through out her life time. She remembers people being just as sure that the end was coming any day now, when she was five yrs old, and that there has always been believable signs to prove it.
'Many blessings

I dunno. Jesus told his followers he'd be back before the current generation passed away. As I see it, that puts him a good 2,000 years behind schedule.

Maybe he found something better to do.

--Jaylemurph

I think perhaps it could be similar to Lord being the Alpha and Omega.
so also...
The beast also was, is, and "to manifest to all" = the " but yet is not "

Lets hope we all have till our seventies till we have to deal with it too....
God bless you mom...tell her happy mommys day!

Thank you, Warrior, I tell her!
I do hope that we all have till our seventies, even hope the same for our grandkids!
But, personally, speaking from my 43 yrs. I see much change from when I was a child. The changes this world is experiencing now leaves it hard to find doubt that something isn't about to happen...??something very different from what my mother or her parents have ever known or experienced?? Just a feeling compounded by all drastic changes in the weather, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and now the scare of food shortage...I don't remember these kinds of things happening when I younger, maybe a scare on gas shortage once, but nothing compared to now.

Wish the gas shortage would effect my husband!!! lol
Im 44 very close in age.

Where exactly does Jesus say this?

The Black Death still killed around five times what AIDS has currently managed to, and that's during a time when the world's population was significantly lower. I'd say people living around the 14th century had more reason to feel apocalyptic than we do. Warring is not unusual, and the famine will actually come because people aren't dying enough. There's nothing particularly special about the generations of people who happen to be living right now. Most likely we won't be the ones to see the end of our species.

First you have to establish that all that doom and gloom was not written in a drug induced stupor.... and if not there is a clear indication that nobody knows anything (Matthew 24:36-44), nor is any brain masturbation about the end of the days but wasted time.

So, my suggestion? quit worrying and get a life.

Well it's an interesting topic that millions of people are interested in.I think most of them do indeed have a life.alot of scholors would argue though that revelation was and is about the roman empire in the day and age that revalation was written in.I swore that I just saw that the number 666 was directly translated into the name of the roman emperor, whom they refered to as the beast as well.They said he commited suicide.I could be wrong on this but I swore thats what I just heard yesterday or the day before.

I have to agree on one point though, and that is that life is way too short to be worried about when the end is going to come.So my suggestion is to be happy and positive, and learn and have fun in life.Be good to one another, that is if you are able to.Some people aren't as lucky and never get a chance to have happy times, so it's best not to waste time on things that you do not know for sure are going to happen, especially in your lifetime.

JMO....................

Yes Johnny, Your correct... The Name Nero Ceaser..when numbers are applied to each of the letters of the name the summed total came to equal the 666.... I guess they had alot of time on their hands back then... I guess this was something they did back then. Interesting...

But, I definately dont worry about this....Just food for thought to chew around and spit out if some dont like the taste.


How about that earthquake today? Prayers for those in suffering.

As long as mankind exists we have dealt with diseases, war, starvation and death. It's not something that appeared all of the sudden and therefore is going to be followed by an Apocalypse. These occurences are way too common to be thought of as an Omen. If so, it would mean we've been getting Omens ever since man set food out of his cave.
And besides, what can we do about it anyway? If a higher power wants to end us, it's going to end us. There's no point in trying to proof whetter it's real or not. Unlike aliens and ghosts, the Apocalypse is something that will prove itself.

Matt. 24:34
Mark 13:30
Luke 21:32

Thanks Zandore!

--Jaylemurph

Malaria kills more people each year than AIDS has in total since it first got rolling.

Both are completely preventable, that's the pity.

But where are all the "malaria ribbons" we should be seeing pinned to celebrities' $6,000.00 lapels?

Harte

When Jesus referred to "this" generation he was speaking of the people alive at the time of "all these things." Specifically the abomination of desolation as spoken of by Daniel the prophet. That is the generation that will view his return - IMO.

Good Post And Good Point! Kinda sad that the media, and honestly we as a people focus on certain aspects of life and pretty much ignore the rest of it...

* Throws the Simulation argument into the thread, runs *

This interpretation arose from the need to explain why it didn't come to pass way back then.

Funny how at the time the disciples seemed to think he meant them

Harte

all of these things happened much more at different pooints throughtout history for example the disease one could also be seen as the plague
infact all of these have been more prevalent in the past than today so i wouldnt worry about it

Actually, Revelation correlates with the issues of the Romans and Nero... hmm. Could it be that the Revelation has come and gone? Could it be that it was all a metaphor for the situation at hand between followers of Christ and the Romans??? Heh... just thought I would toss that in there...

Yeah... it just looks bad when your perfect saviour gets things wrong.

--Jaylemurph

Aha... JC came back, saw what they did with his religion, gave it up and went back to heavens...would not be surprised...

The disciples got it wrong - not the perfect Savior.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Wikipedia claims that there are half a billion cases of malaria each year, but 'only' a few million of them result in death. Though the Black Death as an example was meant for historical perspective, anyway.

What's that saying about a bad workman and his tools?

--Jaylemurph

Remember when the world was going to end in Y2K? wasn't there heavy referrence to the Bible's Revelations then? What happened? 2000 came and went. Same storyline, different movie.

Truthist,

I wasn't trying to take away from your analogy.

Sorry if it read that way.

What you stated about the black death just reminded me of the comparison between malaria and AIDS.

Looks like AIDS might be catching up in it's overall toll compared to the annual toll of malaria, though, so my statistic won't be as striking in the future, I suppose.

Harte

Aside from malaria and the Black plaque, of which there are thankfully cures for these diseases now....
We do have the New Uncurable Aids which has become a problem for our times now in the last 20 yrs or so....so this is new...and unfortunate no cure...And also the rate at which people are dropping from Cancer. This also was not so prevalant in our short past. Thankfully we have made some headway in treatment, but still no cure....

And there always seemed to be a war going on at somepoint somewhere...They seem to be happening more also.

With the frequency of natural disasters happening and the strength of their destruction, it seems that we are hearing so much more about them happening more and more often..Point in case about the latest Earthquake that just happened last night in Asia. The Sunami mega wave that hit the coastal area by India a few years ago....The earthquake that hit California about 10 yrs ago. I mean Major occurances, not just some little 3.2 Ricter scale event.

Now we have this Global warming that is happening...We dont yet know just how much that will efect us in the near years to come, but can potentially effect crop growths I suppose given at some point. Like it isnt already a problem for these areas... And when 50 years ago did we ever hear of the starving people in Africa like we do today?

Is it the media that introduces us to these happenings so we are more aware of them, or are they really just happening more and more frequently with much more force ??? AIDS wasnt really around in the 50's for the media to broadcast and the starvation issues of third world countrys werent talked about back then either, even though the means and ability of the media was capably of airing it to the world...

It seems that more and more disasters, be it disease or Natural just seem to be happening more often....

Im not staying awake at night worrying about this, but I thank you for the concern brought forth by one on a prior post here...
I do have a life, but it seems to me that everytime we turn around its another mass disaster with thousands killed.

Have I missed any other major events? Help me out if you think of any ....

Blessings

Warrior,

Worry all you want, it's your life, but don't worry about earthquakes. There's been no increase in earthquakes since we became able to actually detect them. There's been about the same number of sizable earthquakes per year since the first instrument capable of detecting these came online.

The increase in reported earthquakes certainly does come from better measuring equipment. Most smaller earthquakes once went unreported because they happened in areas that were left unaffected. Today, with better seismographic measuring technology, even if an earthquake is small and happens a hundred miles from nowhere, the instruments can not only detect it, they can pinpoint it's location.

That's why more get reported.

See HERE.

And HERE.

Harte

It seems the risk of cancer goes up as we age, so cancer becomes more prevalent as the average lifespan increases. Kind of makes you wonder about the long lifespans in the Bible...

your not kidding...havent heard of one yet making 120 yrs!

Thanks Harte,

I just dont recall hearing about such loss of life and such extreme to all these events as in these days....

No worries...just the curiosity of connecting the links...

great links!

Blessings

Another factor is communication. A long time ago an earthquake could happen in the east and nobody in the west would know about it.

Also with a larger population and a longer lifespan there will naturally be more reports of cancer related deaths.

I think most of what we worry about has always bin there but we are just becoming more aware of it.