Do you think he's that smart or everyone else was just that stupid? All these girls had problems, and were looking for a "daddy" and he filled the bill. Loneliness, drugs the atmosphere of the country at the time this was occuring was a formula for disaster. He was smart enough to capitalize, they were dumb enough to be used.

It has happened all through history, and will happen again.

best regards,
seax

manson is a really smart fellow.he can't read well,but street smarts is what has gotten him this far.by himself,i can't see why anybody could be scared of him.
he's 5 ft tall,and weighs about 100 lbs.i bet if he were in a cell with somebody,a 6ft 225lb man,the guy could scare him so bad he'd piss his pants.
he's all talk,and no action.i'd love to be in a cell with him for 15 minutes.then the guards could come scrape what's left of him off the floor.

The man is obviously crazy but then a lot of geniuses have been thought of as crazy. He obviously thought a lot about life and planned carefully and made people believe him too. He's dangerous. He's actually one of the few people I don't believe should ever leave prison. The women I don't know. What they did was crazy but they were young.

its not possible to be a lunatic and not be a partial genius
and vice versa
the reason being that if you are mentally unbalanced then you see everything in a way that is different to everyone else
therefore you seen as insightfull

OK so what are you saying? You think all people should think the same way? Are you talking about the majority? If the minority feel a different way is it crazy? Because our past says you're wrong if so.

Well you have to admit he is very manipulative to get people to kill for him. Look at Adolf Hitler.

But they still had people killed and had murder on their minds so I am not going to support them by no means.


By the way, has anyone ever heard Charles Manson's music lol.

Well no I wouldn't support what he did. Isn't it interesting to try to figure out what they were thinking? What lead up to all this? And you can't ever believe everything what you read or hear about a subject like this. Because of course, the media and the officials are going to make them look as cold and crazy as possible. I would definately read it if he wrote a book. And no I haven't heard his music. Where did you find that?

My guess, if he writes another book (& or others with permission), $100 with the backing of his parasite manager lawyer & publisher (''©'')...i'll be on the best seller listing. Probably explains why he isn't food for the worms by now, must be making certain individuals a lot of $$$ out there.

You got that right. He certainly is making someone a lot of money. And I'm sure the only reason he's doing that stuff at the parole board is that he's smart enough to know he's never getting out. So why would he kiss ***? He's just giving people more to talk about. The nut just doesn't want us to forget about him now.

I actually read a book by John Douglas that went into some detail about his time with Charles Manson. It described pretty well what seemed to be his motivations. Put simply, he enjoyed having his "followers", he wasn't the first one to bring up murder, but his "second in command" was and, if fear of losing his power over the people, he went with it and became what we know him as today. He LOVED having control over his little group and, out of fear of losing it, did whatever necessary to keep it.

Its a bit of a different way to look at him. . .seeing as though most of us think of him as just a maniac killer. I can't remember if Mr. Douglas believed that he would have had anyone murdered in the long run WITHOUT the fear of his second-in-command taking his followers. Here is a bit on it from http://www.serialkillercalendar.com/briefc...smansonbio.html

Just my opinion on the question posed; Charles Manson: Genius or Lunatic?

Both.

I don't think all of those girls came from bad homes. There was at least one that had a very good home. I can't remember which one it was. I think on the girls part it was all the drugs. I think it's sad for them. They were so young. I saw one of them on tv a couple years ago. They were showing her parole hearing. She looks like an old woman now. She was crying when the parole was denied. I know she did a horrible thing but she was so young.

I think another one was just up very recently, not parole, but a special request because she's terminally ill, I think. She was denied also.

Yes I heard about that a while ago. I forgot all about that. I thought she died though. She had a funny nickname.

You know I would have said he was sane maybe even a genius until he started singing...

You still haven't said where you heard his music. Can you tell me? I'm just curious. Was it really bad?

He only appears to be a genius to gullible, desperate people with low IQ's. The things he says only seems deep to young people who are inexperienced in the ways of the world. If he's so against war and violence why did he instruct his worshippers to brutally murder innoncent people? He's trash. He's a bum. They should lock him in a whole and forget about him.

Tell that to her victims...oh wait! They are dead, including a baby. You can't. No one should feel sorry for her after what she has done.

You have to look at the era. The hippies, flower children, DRUGS!!! Lots of drugs. That's how he did it. Don't trust the establishment. Don't trust anyone over 30. And they have him locked in a hole. And overall he is forgotten.

Yes but it was a long time ago and she was very young. And it's not like anyone is ever going to let her forget it even if she's back in society. Enough is enough.

It will never be enough. She murdered several innocent people in a very horrific fashion. You honestly want someone like that back in society?
She did the crime, now she needs to take her punishment like a big girl. Would you give in to any murderer who crys and belly aches to be let out of jail?

I really don't know. Maybe you're right. I guess I don't know her and haven't talked with her. I guess we should just let the parole board make that decision. They know her better than we do.

Charles Manson: Genius or lunatic?

I would say neither.

There are many resourses to research this man and I have used many.
I have done papers and thesis on him just do to the fact that he is a enigmac actor.

What I mean is this:
He portrays himself to be a insane person, when infact he is a very sane person with a knack
of manipulating people but psychiatrist realize this and need to walk a boarder of has he slipped or is he acting.
And would his insanity be coming out in this form of acting? Or would his acting be derived from his insanity?

He has manipulated the courts, the media and obviously people on this thread.
He has a extremely low IQ and a even lower self esteem.
His only gift was the ability to manipulate drug induced minds.
Have you ever read his prophecies, his interpertation of the book of revelations? Its a freaking joke but would sound really good if you are frying on acid. (lsd)

Imagine him as a "Hippie Hitler".
Do we blame the stormtroopers for their crimes? Of course we do.
And morons like Susan Atkins aka Sadie Mae Glutz, should be held accountable for their crimes also.

Anyway, I would not give him the complement of calling him a genius and I would not validate him by calling him a lunatic.

He is a predator and got caught.

Haha..yes! It's not that bad, but it isn't very good either. You would think all these years in prison with nothing better to do, but improve his music would've helped. Nope!

Maybe he should take up knitting or something like that. He could knit himself a nice rope and then gently put it around his scrawny neck and jump off of the top of his condo! Yeah, now there's an idea for old Chuckie. He is the scum that grows on the scum that grows on the scum that grows on the scum of the scum.

Interesting guy, perhaps he has ulterior motives to what he did. Still, I do not feel he deserves life.

Do you mean life in prison or to live?

Trivia for Manson Buffs

Disappeared 1969/1970 + witness + still living + 66 years old now + lives 10 minutes outside Ontario Canada + which way did "SATAN" turn or did he? + easy rider + "but _______ was hot. He drew first and shot and poor Rocky collapsed in the corner-la di da da da" = __________ .

Enjoy!

wilcuf

Sure he did.
His alternative motive was to start a race war.
The plan from the Tate massacre was to have the "blackies" as he called them, to be blamed.
He was trying to spur a giant race war and hideout up at the Barker ranch until evryone killed eachother.

Not only is he a hate mongor, he is a moron.

Wilcuf -

Rocky Racoon by The Beatles.

Too easy!

So taking a look at geniuses and crazies and Lunatics here, Albert Einstein had a Phobia for wearing socks upon his feet, he just would not wear them, Howard Hughes had many Phobias also I see his Phobias over took him and he completely lost his mental facilities also I believe both due in part to his brilliant understanding of so many things, and then we have here Lunatic Chuckles Manson, what were his Phobias?

Pavot

Who knows? Normalicy?

Oh, here is a 2012 doomsday prediction for you!!
Chuckie is up for parole in 2012....conicidence? Hmmm...lmao.

Hey ODIN-X!
Hello there! You are way off base, there! It's not about the song. The song is only one of the clues. I wouldn't waste my time with something that would be that easy. Again, the song is only one of the clues. Answer all of the clues and tie them together and you will come up with a name from long ago. Enjoy!

wilcuf

Showers!

Ok then, I think you got me.
There is only one person I can think of, a biker that was named Danny Decarlo (Donkey Dan?). He testified during the Manson trials and then I think disappeared.
I can barely remember anything about him. I think he was one of the leaders of the Straight Satan bike gang.

I might be wrong, It was quite a while ago but I am pretty sure I solved the riddle!

Kudos to ODIN-X!
ODIN-X was hot. He drew first and shot and solving the trivia maze he certainly got. Kudos again! Be on the alert for another true crime trivia maze!

wilcuf

What do I win?

Money?
A Car?
A Cupie doll?
Women?
Power?

lmao

Hey, ODIN-X!

Unfortunately, none of the above! But, you've won another chance on the next true crime trivia maze I'm working on especially for THE ONE, THE ONLY, ODIN-X!

wilcuf

Btw, am I the only one here who saw the parallels from the Joker in the Dark Knight to Manson?

Hello Openmyeye!
I can certainly understand where you are coming from on Charles Manson's philosophies. On one side of the coin one seems to gravitate to the words he speaks. But on the other side of the coin, if one looks and listens very carefully, and OPENS ONE'S EYES and ears, all that is seen and heard is a mixture of jailhouse jargon/scientology "sayings". Charles Manson, in my opinion, was bent on destruction. It wasn't until he was released into the late 1960's world that was he able to accomplish destruction. It was a perfect environment for a 35 year old jailhouse joker to convince lost youngsters to follow him on his hell-bent for destruction pay-back society trip. Remember, these people closed eyes permanently. I can't see where Charles Manson, or any other family member that murdered, opened anybody's eyes.
Hope you are having a good summer, Openmyeye!

wilcuf

Wilcuf -

Still waiting for your next trivia.....

Bring it on!

lol

Can you elaborate?

Just watch some interviews and I think you'll see lol. Here is one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xioCGmZVoqw

Haha!! Yeah, he sure does love attention & to play it up for the cameras doesn't he?
I don't think there is anything he hates more than to be ignored.

Well, you know what they say about the fine line between genius and insanity... I believe Charlie is both a genius and insane, and his insanity was induced by negative and poor living arrangements/upbringing when he was a child and from drug abuse.

Charles Manson, hmmm, lunatic, hmmm, genius, hmmm.
Let's see. Let's make this a mathematical equation. When released in 1967, he was 33 years old. He had already spent 17.5 of those 33 years in and out of state institutions. He had only been out of prison 2.3 years in 1969, when arrested for the Tate/Labianca murders. He was 35 years old. 39 years later he is now a 74 year old man. Cumulatively speaking, he has spent 57 of his 74 years in prison. 2 years on death row. Now, I just don't see any genius here--just lunacy. Therefore, in my opinion, the above equation = a lunatic. Again, in my opinion, OpenMyEye is half correct.


wilcuf

I believe this....it is simple...he did way too much ACID and talked WAY too much and still does. ACID will make people do crazy crap...that doesnt make them geniuses.