Hi Openmyeye,

I think he's a charismatic psychopath. That doesn't discount him as being intelligent by any means.

Was he a genius?

No, but a master manipulator who can 'tap into' a person - that is quite a specific type of intellect/characteristic.

Helter Skelter by Bugliosi is a really well written and interesting book IMO.

Hey Belle,

Very true, his manipulation techniques were very intelligent.
This is what i think alot of people do not understand, that a murderer/phycopath or whatever can still be intelligent.
Alot of people start calling them "idiots" when this is not always the case as it takes alot of skill to pull off these feats.

Tis a great book huh? I was just scanning over it actually before i came on here.

Oftentimes, after a murder is committed, the killer is arrested and all the attention suddenly focuses solely on him/her. The victim is soon forgotten. Most of us know the names of many notorious killers, however, it is quite likely that we could name only a very few of their victims. To forget them is heartbreaking, especially for their families.

--May We ALL Remember The Victims--

And

--May They All Rest In Peace-


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Intelligence coupled with mindless violence is indeed possible. However, I cannot think of anything Manson dd that could be regarded as genuis. He was a ex-con that took advantage of young people with drugs. He was a manipulating predator. He was more digusting than genius.

Manipulation is not a sign of intelligence. Even babies manipulate their environment.
My opinion of Manson, is that he is a crazy-eyed coward, who manipulated some idiots to do his bidding. Nothing special there. It's the idiots he manipulated, that we should be afraid of, and knowledgeable about.
He doesn't want to be let out of prison, because he knows that in this day and age, his crazy stare will do him no good and won't intimidate very many people. So he can be the king of crazy eyes in prison, on the street, he'd be a homeless guy looking for another meal. No offense to the homeless.

Appropriate post. Well done.

It doesnt take a genius to manipulate stupid people, I have seen countless cases of manipulation, it happens every single day with religion, it happens every single day with politics, it happens every single day with the media, it happens everyday with the "Terrorism", theres always stupid gullible people, easy to manipulate, you can write a book and you can have an army of suicide bombers at your service, you write a book and suddenly you have thousands of followers ready to rise on the rankings of a made up religion.

Here in Mexico there was this war between a whole community and some emo kids who would share their time in a park, some random dude said: "they have taken on our precious park, blah blah blah, lets get out park back!", do you know what happened? a bunch of idiots (about 70) beat the poor guys up (they were like 5) who would just reunite on a section of the park to chill out and share their emo feelings, now, most emo individuals are pretty stupid on their own but cmon, it would have ended worse if the police had not intervened.

I suppose that random dude is a genius too eh? No, some people are just too stupid, Charles Manson just took the worst of the worst, some hippy losers under the influence of acid, is this really a big feat?

But ... but ... his random ass speeches and one liners are genius! His ideas are totally revolutionary!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XREnvJRkif0...feature=related

They sure are! Lol

Yea he is more of a demon. Evil. Dont even go there"abused as a child" many people were abused as a child thats not a reason to do or be what he is then and now. Yea you bet he dont want to get out of jail he's safe in there if he gets out its open season(hunting) on his ass. Just like two men I know now behind bars......keep tight in your cells cause if ya get out.....poof.

Exactly. Einstein, Da Vinci, Archimedes...All geniuses, but at the same time, all creators of something that would kill many humans. But, what Charles Manson is kind of sick.

While his actions marked him as an arch criminal forever, his comments to the court were impressive and challenged those made by any of the attorneys.

I'd have to say he's about 2 cards shy of a full deck. When he goes on his little rants it seems that on the next rant he's actually contradicted what he ranted on about before. Am I ranting on? The lovely tattoo on his forehead should about sum him up to a T. He found a few people as strange or stranger than him to do his dirty work. It's amazing how people like him and other cult leaders get other people to go along with their very strange beliefs. I guess you have to have this behavior in you as a person to act out such a thing like murdering innocet people. The influence of the nut job leader just helps them along a bit. I don't have a bit of this inside of me so I just simply can't understand it. And that's a good thing! I'd have to go with 'strange' if I had to pick one word for him. Although lunatic and madman have a nice ring to them also. Nut job, wierdo and psychopath are also very describing of him. Scum of the earth is right on track too. I could just go on and on and on and on......................

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he's really insane.always has been.but he has street smarts which allowed him to charm and manipulate
people to kill,or do anything else he requested.he's only about 5 ft tall so i bet some of those small
midgets on wwe could take him out fast.

I am not believing this thread, Charles Manson is a sub human monster. Neither genius or lunatic. It is just a travesty of justice that this thing is still breathing air and costing the tax payers of California money. He was sentenced to death and that sentence should have been carried out long ago...

Maybe they should hang his Lawyer first.

Yes, but remember that he was able to talk a couple of hundred originally-"normal" followers into believing that his way of thinking was the correct one, to the point of becoming his willing slaves. The vast majority of lunatics can't do that.

You are kidding right?

A couple hundred? How do you get a couple hundred into a bus, which is how his "family" travelled. His "followers" were more around the dozen mark. Not "normal" well balanced people either. Confused young people with serious issues mostly. Easy to take advantage of, even more so with the aid of strong drugs. Manson is a filthy verminous predator.



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He drugged confused innocents and turned them into demons. Hardly genius. Just pure evil. Why is this guy still alive? Why do people even give him the benefit of possible intelligence? It is not akin to manipulation.

Anyone can manipulate a confused and angry young person with the aid of drugs. It is not genius, it is socially disgusting and depraved.

I totally agree!

Stfu just because you are happily married (lol at pic) and iz a *saint* does not mean that people like him are "sub human monsters" that's a ****ing sub human thing of YOU to say, my dear friend.


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Ok then let us allow it to move in next door to you. I do have a question for you before I go. Have you ever lost a loved one to a violent criminal? If your answer is yes then I will say a prayer for you. If your answer is in the negative then perhaps you should follow your own advice, see the first four letters in your post. Because unless you have lost a loved one to violent crime it would be all but impossible to describe to you the loss, anger then helplessness you feel when the murderer gets to live his life while your family member is buried and rotting in the ground. I have felt this pain and have seen first hand the handy work of one of these sub-human monsters.
One more thing before I close, I do believe it is against forum rules to make personal attacks and your post comes very close to crossing the line from stating you opinion to making a personal attack not only against me but my wife as well...

Sorry about that, I tend to overreact. I don't care, they're still humans with mental disorders of some kinds. And yes I have lost two of my relatives a couple years ago but still I understand criminals and don't feel that they should be called sub human monsters. I'm sorry about the personal attack again. I'm not an evil person, I promise.

Just curious now Mordfabrik, what word would you use to describe him? I think monster says it all. Being behind the death of a pregnant woman (not to mention the other innocent lives he's resposible for taking) and not showing any remorse for it??? I think monster fits just well. Oh, he's mentally unstable?.... so we'll call him a crazy monster. Sorry for my 2 cents, but I just can't see how anyone could possibly back old Chuckie up. JMO.............

I think he can be very articulate, but if you pay attention you'll realize he isn't really that smart. Monster? I don't know, maybe. He doesn't seem to be at all remorseful to me. To me he is pathetic, he really likes attention, maybe it makes him feel powerful? I don't know. He loves to stare at people to get them to look at him or he'll play his guitar to get you to notice him. Sad and desperate, which probably bothers him more than the harm he has done. Also, he doesn't carve the swastika every time he's up for parole, in fact I'm pretty sure he didn't even show up to his last one.

I thought I already made my opinion clear. I think he's mentally deranged and monster is not the correct word for it. But we all have our own opinions and I can't force you to think the way I do so I'm gonna leave it at that.

I would not even say Crazy Manson was sub human. He was a idiot that was closer to a monkey than human.

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All masterminded by Manson. He used drugs to destroy the young minds around him. He shows no remorse to this day. All of them are sub-human monsters and should be taken down the green mile. If a better description exists, I doubt it would be publishable in a general forum.
People like you should have to share a room with one of these sub human scum. One thing for sure, there would be no more people like you. Tolerance can be too broad you know. This monster was just a manipulative predator. He deserves no tolerance.

You have just put it into words, that I cannot describe.
Read about the crime scenes. See the pics of the REAL, innocent people who died so brutally.
Thoose are the actions of a manipulative monster.
And may we never forget the victims.
For that would be the greatest miscarriage of justice.

I definately agree with Manson when he says he was a by-product of the society he grew up in.

Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding.

People would be amazed at just how intelligent psychopaths really are. Just because they are labeled "insane" doesn't make them stupid by no mean..

I know what you mean. Look how smart I am and people label me as insane.

Manson is definitely not intelligent, nor is he truly insane. He can be very sane and competent when it suits him.

Agreed. To claim he is sane might liken him to the general populace whom are regarded as sane. AN insult to the inhabitants of this planet.

Whaaaaattttt??????????????????

You are what you make of yourself. I listed a couple pages back many people that overcame hardship comparable to Manson, yet went on to great things, and helped society rather than abuse it.

Are you into music at all? Might I suggest some trully wise words from John Butler. Have a listen to "Good Excuse" from the latest album "Grand Nation".
It says one can overcome diversity, just go outside and have a good look around and stop whining how everything is not your fault, but societies.

Manson is a lazy twisted sick individual that thinks the world owes him a favour. Why is this cretin still breathing?
If life gives you lemons, make lemonade. I would have thought you of all people would be "into" that concept?

Not that case here though, no thought, no goal, nothing, just drugs and what Charlie wanted. Pathetic really. It is true some criminal activities are planned to a point that would make many defence forces envious, Charlie was a using loser that took advantage of chemical recations on people. A predator, a maniplutaor using mind altering drugs to achieve his wants. True scum in every sense of the word.

I agree with you 100%. I am living proof that you can overcome about anything. I CHOSE to make my life better and I worked my butt off to get where I am today. Chuckie CHOSE to be a product of his society and went on to do horrible things to innocent people and then uses this as an excuse!?!?!?!?!?!? It makes my stomach churn. Anyone can better themselves and most know right from wrong in life. It can't be taught, it just comes from within. He's just a sick twisted person who got his rocks off by having these other wackos do his dirty work. He is the scum that grows on scum that grows on scum!!!!!!!.

Good for you!!!!!! And you deserve the respect you have earned from your peers, friends and family. Well done.

I came from a poor broken house as well, I never saw the reason to blame society either. Not so hard to work out

Kill people = bad
Help people = good.

Like your sig! Very cool saying!

While I do agree with you on Manson being a major loser, my friend, I think it's interesting to note some of the things his "family members" did, years after he was incarcerated. (The Ford assassination attempts in 1975, for example) As much as he'd like to think that he was the "head of the family" and was in some sort of control over these people, I don't think he was.
I think that somehow he managed to attract (Lord only knows how he attracted anyone) a group of violently mentally ill people to him, and they did what they do, using him as an excuse.
Or I could be wrong.

Hello Jennie

I have often wondered if it was entirely the LSD. People do some strange things on the drugs these people were messing with. I do not doubt though that Charlie did use the drugs to influence the family at least.
I think he still had control, his female followers outwardly admitted they would do anything for him, and did, but you are right, I think it woud take a certain mind to commit such crimes. Perhaps Charlie had a knack for recognising this seed? Charlie no doubt had a keen insight into personality, perhaps witnessing so many growing up he became as adept to reading people as some people read books. One chilling episode that suggests such a thing is when the outlaw biker gang the Straight Satans wished to reclaim member Danny Decarlo, who had come to Spahn ranch to repair a motorcycle for Charlie, and for the pretty girls and abundant sex, stayed on. The club wanted Danny back. When they rolled up at the ranch asking Danny to return, or they would murder the men and rape the women, Charlie offered his life in exchange for them to leave. The bikers were so freaked out by Charlie's death wish they left the ranch without raising hell.
Pussies.

I may well be wrong, but I thought the only one to escape incarceration besides Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme was Linda Kasabian, who from all accounts also ended up in jail. As we know Lynette's failed attempt landed her in jail for life, so I think none remain at large? Tex Watson has found God and feels he has made ammends, can a person mae ammends for such a crime? Out of respect for society, should he just not "off himself"? I cannot understand how any of this lot wake up and face a mirror. The sheer fact that some have brazenly applied for parole makes me wonder. How do these people feel they could ever pay their debt to society? To the victims families? To their own self respect?

Interesting thought though, do you think this wild deviation from such a small portion of the general populace may have been affected by some common cause? Maye a batch of homemade Charlie's Charlie shut down every moral nueral pathway? Maybe a bunch of messed up losers went against the odds and manged to find each other? Maybe he needs to be tried for even more crimes. Can't hurt.

It does sicken me that young people write to this loser and wish to join the family. Anti Government conspiracies. Stupid ideas to save the world. Such people should be heavily monitored as they obviously have a screw loose.

Wow how stupid of you to judge me like that just because of a post I made which by the way is 100% true, you moron. So you're honestly telling me that if you had some kind of mental disease similar to Manson's that you would never do any harm to another human being? Learn psychology you idiot. YOU WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME THING. It's an inevitable thing.

"there would be no more people like you" In what world do you live in exactly? Do you expect people to be exactly like you? Just by saying that there would be "no more people like you" makes you incredibly close minded and disgusting. You make it look like I am worshipping what he did and for your information I do not.

I didn't judge you, I commented on your post, which I felt puts the general public at risk.

What mental disease was Manson diagosed with?????

Your ideals put the general public at risk, and when one protests at such an ideal of tolerance at ridiculous levels you insult, You are evil. You would allow many to be hurt for your selfish feel good crusade. Bit sickening really.
In my world, people get an opinion, in yours they agree with you or cop a blasting. People who feel terrorists are too hard done by should also have to billett one. I think it disgusting that you expect us to give the time of day to such creatures who gave up their human rights WILLINGLY. There is no way Manson had a mental disease, he had a self glorification complex. It is not I holding disguting life wasting ideals here to save a few that could not care less if you care or not, in fact you will most likely end up just another victim.
I feel I understand psychology a great deal more than you do going by your post. That is how I refrain from breaking forum rules and hurling personal insult, even though you deserve a great deal for your very rude reply.

There's no point in talking to you but lol at "put the general public at risk". JUST LOL.

Of course not. It is quite obvious that structured debate is beyond you.

Manson was never disgnosed with a mental disease. You are plain wrong, and your bleeding heart attitude is offensive.

Ha ha ha!!!! Learn some psychology ha ha ha! How about you learn some?
Nothing is inevitable, Manson doesn't have some sort of mental disease, he's just a peice of crap. He pretends to be crazy to psyche up people like yourself, into believing that he couldn't help himself. Aww! Poor baby.
He didn't go himself and commit those murders, do you know why? Because he wasn't crazy. He knew better, which strongly suggests that he's not as mentally challenged as he'd like people, such as yourself, to believe. He wasn't there in person, when the murders happened and to be quite honest, I'm not sure that he should have been sentenced for such a long period of time. I think it would be funny if he were let out of prison now, he wouldn't last a day on the outside and he knows that, which is why he keeps playing crazy for the parole board.
I myself think he's nothing more than an impotent wimp with a weird charming personality, who would have been dead long ago, if it wasn't for the imprisonment which keeps him alive.

I agree 99%. The only part I don't agree on is the weird charming personality. He's a desperate for attention stinky old man.

Charles Mansion is completely Loony Tunes. But, hes probably the smartest loonies in U.S. history. He had all of those people in his little cult under complete and uder control. Those women he convinced to kill those poor people actually believed that he was God and that he was the center of the universe. But, his ideas were definetly screwed up.

Smart? Maybe had a little to do with the LSD he was feeding them constantly?

Manipulative I'd say.

Charles Manson is a total Psychopath. He is a controlling, manipulating, coward. I hope he rots in prison..JN

Took the words right off my keyboard, JN.
Plus he enjoys all the attention and the fear that he causes, not to mention the perverse sort of admiration that people show.
I wouldn't give that lowlife the time of day.

Thanks Someoldguy, he is a total skum bag. He was basically a cult leader in his time, and had the ability to control others, drugs or not, hes a lowlife piece of garbage..JN