SatoshiAndoX3
May 12 2008, 08:28 PM
Hey guys! i'm new to this forum so i would like to introduce myself. My pen name is Satoshi Ando! But this isn't about me! I wanna know your theories on the existance of vampires. There are so many different variations wheter yours is grounded with faith or science. And even if you don't beleive and you're just on this forum to call me a nut case then thats ok too!! cause all opinions are accepted here! C'mon now don't be shy!! Tell your pal Satoshi whatcha think!
Eric Raven The Skeptic
May 12 2008, 08:30 PM
Dude there are way to many threads on vampires already.Use the search function. You will get all you ever want to know and more. Their basis is myth. They have never existed.
The Maharaja
May 12 2008, 09:07 PM
Okay here,s my Wacko theory in many cultures in the world you see so called drinkers of blood, In south america you have the Myhans and the Moachi
in India you have the goddess Kali and her Yogania who drink humasn blood and devour flesh, Then there,s the Rakshasha a shape changing demon
In greece its called Vorvolacha, in the phillopines its the Aswang.
In short this is a world wide ancient legend fueled by things like vampire bats but a legend none the less
churchanddestroy
May 13 2008, 12:41 AM
QUOTE (SatoshiAndoX3 @ May 12 2008, 03:28 PM)

Hey guys! i'm new to this forum so i would like to introduce myself. My pen name is Satoshi Ando! But this isn't about me! I wanna know your theories on the existance of vampires. There are so many different variations wheter yours is grounded with faith or science. And even if you don't beleive and you're just on this forum to call me a nut case then thats ok too!! cause all opinions are accepted here! C'mon now don't be shy!! Tell your pal Satoshi whatcha think!
Vampires do not exist. The infatuation with vampires and other undead phenomena comes from individuals who desire to identify themselves as "unique" and "counter culture." Vampires do not, and have never existed outside of superstition, legend, and vivid imaginations. All supposedly "vampiric" legends can be attributed to simple biology.
Follow me on this:
When a corpse decomposes, the skin is dehydrated, giving the corpse the illusion of having grown hair and nails. What actually happens is the skin is shrinking back, exposing hair in the follicles and giving the nails the appearance of actually growing. Neither the hair nor the nails actually grow. Once a person dies the biological functions of life cease and decomposition takes over. Decomposition also accounts for the supposed "blood" that many peasants claimed to witness dribbling out of a corpses mouth. What the "blood" actually was was tissue and pus (and some blood). This was the result of the innards of the body decomposing due to bacteria. The gaseous pressures inside the corpse, also a result of decomposition, would gradually force some of the liquid concoction up through the corpses orifices.
Also, we must take into account coffins that had scratch marks on the lid, as if someone was trying to get out. This is indeed true, someone WAS trying to get out... because they were buried alive. In our more superstitious and less scientific past, people often were buried alive. Back in the day there weren't a lot of good, viable methods to determine whether a person was actually dead or not. Sometimes they were, indeed, buried alive.
I hope this provides a satisfactory explanation for you. There are no vampires, and there never were. Anyone who claims to be a vampire is quite simply a person who adheres to a counter-cultural idea.
psyche101
May 13 2008, 01:11 AM
You're a nutcase.
LOL, sorry, could not help myself. The legend has a most interesting history. The tale of the personification of that legend is full of pain and suffering. I do not know why people are so desperate for this legend to become real. Can any infatuated member tell me what he/she gets from playing vampire? I often wonder what the time frame is for a story to be claimed as having realistic roots. The Smurf's should be up for personification soon.
churchanddestroy
May 13 2008, 01:24 AM
QUOTE (psyche101 @ May 12 2008, 08:11 PM)

You're a nutcase.
LOL, sorry, could not help myself. The legend has a most interesting history. The tale of the personification of that legend is full of pain and suffering. I do not know why people are so desperate for this legend to become real. Can any infatuated member tell me what he/she gets from playing vampire? I often wonder what the time frame is for a story to be claimed as having realistic roots. The Smurf's should be up for personification soon.
I'm on your boat for this one. Its time to drop the "vampire" "werewolf" etc. etc. etc. thing. They don't exist and they can be reasonably explained. Cryptids... I understand the debate. Some cryptids have rather convincing evidence, some cryptids are down right ridiculous, but nothing is more ridiculous than the desperation of this "counter-cultural" movement to cling to old world folklore. Usually I stick to the Spirituality-Skepticism board, but when I occasionally peruse the other boards and I see nonsense like this, I feel obliged, for the sake of common sense, logic, and science, to post.
Bah. The Hippie counter culture was much better than all this "dark" and "emo" stuff.
You want emotional? Read "Adam's Curse" by William Butler Yeats or "On My First Son" by Ben Jonson. You want dark? Actually read Edgar Allen Poe, and not just "The Raven".
But seriously, besides that tirade, stop the vampire stuff. You're not a vampire, you're not a were-wolf, you just have a very active and vivid imagination, and it can be put to much better use than these "dark" flights of fancy that I see popping up all over the place.
Incorrigible1
May 13 2008, 01:45 AM
Vampires are this month's dragons.
churchanddestroy
May 13 2008, 01:49 AM
QUOTE (Incorrigible1 @ May 12 2008, 08:45 PM)

Vampires are this month's dragons.
He he he, I don't speak l33t, but I definitely LOL'd at this.
psyche101
May 13 2008, 01:58 AM
QUOTE (churchanddestroy @ May 13 2008, 11:24 AM)

I'm on your boat for this one. Its time to drop the "vampire" "werewolf" etc. etc. etc. thing. They don't exist and they can be reasonably explained. Cryptids... I understand the debate. Some cryptids have rather convincing evidence, some cryptids are down right ridiculous, but nothing is more ridiculous than the desperation of this "counter-cultural" movement to cling to old world folklore. Usually I stick to the Spirituality-Skepticism board, but when I occasionally peruse the other boards and I see nonsense like this, I feel obliged, for the sake of common sense, logic, and science, to post.
Bah. The Hippie counter culture was much better than all this "dark" and "emo" stuff.
You want emotional? Read "Adam's Curse" by William Butler Yeats or "On My First Son" by Ben Jonson. You want dark? Actually read Edgar Allen Poe, and not just "The Raven".
But seriously, besides that tirade, stop the vampire stuff. You're not a vampire, you're not a were-wolf, you just have a very active and vivid imagination, and it can be put to much better use than these "dark" flights of fancy that I see popping up all over the place.
You are right on the money there. Free Love and musical festivals, gawsh, look out, Incorrigible1 and I are going to have a real trip dwon memory lane here!! Ahh Woodstock. So much more entertaining than the Sanguarian forum gatherings. Cryptids can be fun, we have had quite some laughable conversations on manbearpig and the like, but like you say, things like the Bili Ape, Pygmy Elephants etc, are things we can very likely be a part of discovering. One thing media has brought to the world that is good. One can travel and watch most creatures close up from the comfort of one's armchair. Seeing the Giant Squid for the first time was quite a privilage.
I too feel obliged to post. If one person can see through the muck and read the legend and appropriate the genius of the original writers, that is great. I feel much of this personification of the legend is paramount to plagerism of anothers ideal. The people who have convinced themselves that this legend needs to be personified only do harm, by hurting people and burying the authors of the original works. What a shame the plagerisations miss the very heart of the original works.
I'm 100% with you on this one. Bring back free love and musical festivals. Down with bloodletting.
psyche101
May 13 2008, 02:01 AM
QUOTE (Incorrigible1 @ May 13 2008, 11:45 AM)

Vampires are this month's dragons.

Ohh, did that catch me offguard!! Well done. Best laugh I have had in a week.
Once again, impeccable timing. Well done sir. Now I shall have to go clean this explosion of Coca Cola from my screen.......................
EtuMalku
May 13 2008, 02:13 AM
SatoshiAndoX3,
Fear not I'm here! LOL!!
Well well well . . . if it isn't the anti-vampire league out for a stroll?
You guys need lives?
Anyway SatoshiAndoX3, to answer your post:
The vampire is not anything like all the Montague Summers' Christian Church / Hollywood literature that has tainted the true meaning of what is a vampire.
While I will agree that the majority of most 'vampires' encountered in these forums, are nothing more than delusional beings wrapped up in role playing, Narcissistic Personality Disorders or deceptions, there certainly exists true vampires.
If your understanding of Left & Right Hand Paths are in order than you can see that those who follow a Right Hand Path with follow the word of God and those that follow the LHP don't. Not to be alarmed, for God is but the conscience of our Universe and not an actual being. RHP = Thy Will Be Done LHP = MY Will Be Done. Simply, the true religions of the Earth are Pagan and follow a balance of both Paths, this is called Ma'at by the Egyptians.
Vampires are Earthly beings that have Spiritually detached themselves from the God source and follow their own Path, presumably a Left Hand Path ( that of True Will and not God's Will). The vampires chakra / Shen system is damaged during this separation of Divine Path and needs to be replenished . There are many variations of vampire, from simple psi-vamps (ordinary energy/prana manipulators) to fully evolved vampires to the inexplicable Asetians.
Shoot at Will Anti-Vampire League!
138
May 13 2008, 03:45 AM
QUOTE (Incorrigible1 @ May 12 2008, 07:45 PM)

Vampires are this month's dragons.
Darn, now I have to update my signature....
kidchaos
May 13 2008, 04:19 AM
i do not believe in vampires, in the sense as to what you see on popular media. but i do acknowledge the fact that humans have been praying on his own kin in similar gruesome fashion (cannibalism, blood drinking, socio-parasitism, etc.)
I'd say this though, there are gruesome (vampiric if you may) practices that still exist.
The supernatural part of this practices (superhuman strength, higtened sense, etc) can also be explained by science. (take for example the frenzied man bitten by a rabid dog who is half insane alread due to the effect of rabis).
I have something about this that i will soon share to this forum, this documentation will be based on my personal experience. publication of this paper will never come to reality due to fear of ridicule, besides insufficiency would be the best debunker for this one, but it has been a burden that i carry for years. it will most likely be a narration of events, and there will be no claims from my end.
EtuMalku
May 13 2008, 04:23 AM
QUOTE (kidchaos @ May 13 2008, 12:19 AM)

i do not believe in vampires, in the sense as to what you see on popular media. but i do acknowledge the fact that humans have been praying on his own kin in similar gruesome fashion (cannibalism, blood drinking, socio-parasitism, etc.)
I'd say this though, there are gruesome (vampiric if you may) practices that still exist.
The supernatural part of this practices (superhuman strength, higtened sense, etc) can also be explained by science. (take for example the frenzied man bitten by a rabid dog who is half insane alread due to the effect of rabis).
I have something about this that i will soon share to this forum, this documentation will be based on my personal experience. publication of this paper will never come to reality due to fear of ridicule, besides insufficiency would be the best debunker for this one, but it has been a burden that i carry for years. it will most likely be a narration of events, and there will be no claims from my end.
The vampire has nothing to do with those horrid atrocities you mentioned.
Vampires need to replenish their prana, that is all. They do not need blood nor do they engage in Satanic Blood Rituals.
churchanddestroy
May 13 2008, 04:45 AM
QUOTE (EtuMalku @ May 12 2008, 11:23 PM)

The vampire has nothing to do with those horrid atrocities you mentioned.
Vampires need to replenish their prana, that is all. They do not need blood nor do they engage in Satanic Blood Rituals.
Are you referring to "psychic vampires?"
Razer
May 13 2008, 04:52 AM
Can't we just bump an older thread, there has already been a few in the last week. There is no need for another one. This should be renamed the "vampire and dragon forum" the way things are going.
euthanasia
May 13 2008, 12:43 PM
QUOTE (Eric Raven The Skeptic @ May 12 2008, 04:30 PM)

Dude there are way to many threads on vampires already.Use the search function. You will get all you ever want to know and more. Their basis is myth. They have never existed.
i completely agree with both things you just stated
138
May 13 2008, 09:27 PM
QUOTE (Razer @ May 12 2008, 10:52 PM)

Can't we just bump an older thread, there has already been a few in the last week. There is no need for another one. This should be renamed the "vampire and dragon forum" the way things are going.
Or everyone could start believing in vampiric dragons. That way it would unify the believers and make it easier for us skeptics. No?
xFRANCOx
May 14 2008, 05:19 PM
QUOTE (Incorrigible1 @ May 12 2008, 06:45 PM)

Vampires are this month's dragons.
so what next month's dragons?
supervike
May 14 2008, 05:32 PM
QUOTE (EtuMalku @ May 12 2008, 11:23 PM)

The vampire has nothing to do with those horrid atrocities you mentioned.
Vampires need to replenish their prana, that is all. They do not need blood nor do they engage in Satanic Blood Rituals.
But, when the word 'vampire' is used, that is exactly what a huge majority of people think. Like it or not, the word Vampire is associated with exactly those 'horrid atrocities', and the word is part of the lexicon now. Perhaps it had a differing meaning at one time, or whatever it is you are referring to, but you cannot break the associations that exist.
-Lambo-
May 14 2008, 06:17 PM
Well, not too detailed here, but I once heard of a disease that caused blood come out from the dead body`s mouth and several grave robberies had caused that legend.
Of course, that probably Isn`t the reason, but I`m absolutely sure, there is this kind of disease, forgot Its name though.
Slave2Fate
May 22 2008, 08:30 PM
It seems to me that there is a break in the vampire chain of evolution. Most, if not all old-world depictions of vampires are of animalistic creatures that couldn't control their own actions. They were portrayed as little more than brainless monsters. In fact one method of deterring vampires was to throw poppy seeds on the ground and the vampire would stop to examine them, allowing you to get away. It wasn't until Bram Stoker that vampires showed any intelligence at all. It pushed the vampire into the human realm, where people have been thinking about it ever since. Bram's book was just that, a book and not a depiction of true events. Vampires don't exist, well, in their own deluded minds they do. So, anyone claiming they are a vampire, or claiming to know one is just buying into the propaganda of people who have need to elevate themselves using a method that is difficult to disprove. Vampires are nothing more than a romanticized notion of somehow becoming greater than you are. Vampires don't exist.
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