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I have been reading Barbara Marciniak's book "Bringers of the Dawn" and "Earth"...both of which I find fascinating and highly recommend. My question concerns the number 12 and its relationship to humankind. Barbara is a trance channel whose task it is to bring the Pleiadian channeling’s into written form. Part of the message is that our DNA is evolving from 2 strands into 12, and that these 12 strands relate to our 12 chakras (7 in the physical body, 5 in the exterior) and these have many parallel twelve’s that move with them. Then there is the concept of the Living Library…12 in total. This is meant to be accessed with the use of our 12 strand DNA & 12 chakras.

If you look around the story of 12 is quite profoundly expressed all over our planet. The earliest use of the ancient teachings was the concept of the Zodiac. The Zodiac was divided into 12 signs, 12 houses, conveying knowledge about creation through the idea of interweaving and linking 12 significant parts. Today we use clocks and calendars as reminders of the division of energy…they mark time through the significant use of 12. The Bible and other ancient texts refer to many relationships based on twelve – 12 gates, 12 tribes, 12 angels, 12 sons, 12 apostles/disciples, even 12 Knights of the Round Table, and the 12 planets.

Today I heard it being reported by the media that 12 thousand people are believed dead in China and on the weather channel during an interview of a Tornado survivor the woman said and I quote “It sounded like 12 trains were passing by”! I am asking…who else is hearing this message? could this all be a coincidence? I am not a believer in coincidence; I firmly believe that everything is as it should be…there are no coincidences in life.

So, the question is…coincidence or not? Why publish the number 12 thousand and mention 12 trains? I mean really who thinks of 12 trains? But nevertheless there is it. My gut tells me there is something to this, but what? Are these losses related to the prediction of the downsizing of the human race as believed by many who are familiar with the rise of the NWO and its desire for ultimate control of humankind?

I would very much like to open this discussion within this group. Thanks.

Don't forget 12 eggs in a dozen!


If you are keyed in for a number, you surely will find it.

I'll take a bakers dozen...13.
Not sure your theory would apply here...so many 12's all related to human forms of information, calendar, clocks, zodiac and relationships. Can u give examples for other numbers within the same scope that could be considered keyed into?

Thanks!

His theory holds true. The use of the number 12 for so many things is related to the lunar months (29 days 12h 44 min 2.8s, more or less). There are 12 lunar months in a year. It does not take a great leap of imagination to see how that number would be in calendars, clocks, and things like the zodiac.

Ok, I'll give you calendars, clocks and things like the zodiac. But you are making my point. It seems to me the number 12 is quite profoundly expressed all over our planet. It is deeply embedded with the mass psyche of human consciousness, and has been employed throughout time as a method to structure and convey information from one system to another. What about the other 12's mentioned? Why not 7 apostels...7 IS considered a Spiritual number in numerology, 8 gates, 9 tribes, several trains...you get my point?

I still "feel" as if there is some information trying to be communicated...especially with the "12 trains..." statement.

No, that's a sign of paranoia when you think that messages are being conveyed to you through the recurrence of numbers. You're ignoring all the numbers out there that ARENT 12. I bet you the number 1 shows up a lot more than the number 12. Why not obsess over the magical secret message of the number 1? Both 3 and 4 are factors of 12, so why not obsess over 3 or 4?

You say that the number 12 is deeply embedded with the mass psyche of human consciousness? NO CRAP! IT's THE NUMBER AFTER 11!

The fact is, when you start looking for a particular thing to keep popping up in life, you're going to notice it. Is that because the number 12 is secretly hidden and revealing itself to you in order to convey a message that only you and your decoder ring can figure out? No, it's because the world is a big place, a LOT of stuff has happened and been written about in the history of humanity, and a lot of stuff is always happening everywhere. The fact is that I could take any noun (girl, the letter x, stuffed cabbage, etc.) and say that there's a hidden message in this noun's occurrences throughout history and day-to-day life, and I will find enough evidence to back myself up.

P.S. There are supposed to be 13 signs of the zodiac.

Also, astrology isn't real.

Ouch! I apologize if the impression was given that I come from a position of paranoia...nothing could be further from the truth. I am simply stating an observation. I am open to any examples of the magical secrets found in 3 or 4, or any other numbers, that you can provide when used in such a consistant manner throughout human history to convey information...I'm open.

I guess the Sumerian's, Hindu, Chinese, Egyptian, Chaldean, Greek and Roman civilizations ALL had it wrong...human development is "not" deeply linked to universal cycles distributing the 12 zodiacal energies through which new expressions come into being...maybe someone should have advised them that the zodiac "really" contained 13 signs? Anyone with more knowlegde of the Zodiac, please advise if there are 13 signs.

And as far as Astrology not being real...that has not been my experience or that of many others. I am certain there are those who share your beliefs and that is perfectly fine, it is not my intention that we all must share the same beliefs after all we are all at different stages of consciousness, none any better then the other and I say this with all respect.

Numbers are humanity's way of quantifying the world around us. There is no inherent number 12. 12 is a concept that we've created as sentient beings to symbolize a certain amount of something. 12 is never an absolute value, either, as each of any 12 quantifiable nouns can be broken down into any other conceptual number of parts. For instance, a dozen eggs consists of twelve eggs. Does that mean that there are 12 things there? Well, on a quantum level, there are probably many trillions of things. A buddhist would say there is only 1 thing, and you are a fool for trying to separate the eggs from yourself. Would an insect see it as 12 eggs, or would there simply be a bunch of really big things in the midst of other really big things? Would 12 days be 12 days on mercury? Are 12 apostles in any way significant to a jewish person? Is 12 miles per hour really just twelve miles per hour when Einstein showed us that any object could be said to be at rest? No, numbers are conceptual creations and nothing more.

Of course, conceptual creations are a staple of magic, and if you recognize that then you could utilize your own belief in the number as a tool. But don't expect your beliefs to have any effect on the rest of the world.

And as far as astrology goes, here's a critique that pretty much smashes it into the ground.

http://www.astrosurf.com/nitschelm/Modern_criticism.pdf

Thank you for your insights bleedingelite.

One can only expect one's beliefs to have an effect on those on the rest of the world with whom they resonate. There are many things occurring on our Earth that Science is still not capable of understanding much less explaining...say crop-circle glyphs, which are not phenomenon found only in this century. And what of the great pyramids’…science has still not been able to explain how the Egyptians or Mayans had the technology to move and lift the giant stones (never mind where they came from) and position them with such precision, angles and alignments towards specific stellar events…and what of the power of magical thinking? These mysteries serve to confound the scientific community and make them look foolish, which is absolutely necessary – with humor of course! In some cases, Earths scientists are in a rut, and all I am saying is that it is time to question those who claim to have all the answers.

Like I said earlier...we are all at different stages of awareness, none more elevated then the other.

I personally think (and please note I say THINK) it's nothing... of course they say the world is going to end in 2012 sometime... but I highly doubt it... if anything, the electrical polarities will shift on the earth making everything invert to a perspective... Ice caps will melt, the earth MAY flood, many people will die, but then in true human fashion, we will multiply, become cannibals, eat eachother which in turn will make us die... end of OUR world... not of THE world...

There is room for all forms of thought on this wonderful planet. All I ask is that we refrain from judgment. It is not my intention to convince you, nor have I been convinced, so I guess the best we can do is disagree.

I am open to learn what others have to say.

Haha, you're right. I give up. Not my problem.

Hello Nanankix, I have heard that too. Not yet certain what is going to happen but am pretty certain there will be a "change" of sorts especially with the alignment of the planets that is expected. This alignment will have a greater then typical magnetic pull on the earth and our oceans, etc. because of the number of planets involved. Most interesting thou…the year 12 of the first year of the 21st century…

Alright, I hate to keep this up, but you're getting some things mixed up.

The planetary alignment will NOT cause any kind of magnetic pull that will have any effect on us whatsoever.

According to Dr. David R. Williams of NASA: "The distance to the planets is too great for their gravity, magnetic fields, radiation, etc. to have any discernible effect on Earth...There is nothing "magic" about the planets being in a line, the effects do not somehow multiply simply due to a geometric arrangement. For example, the combined gravitational effect of all the planets together is much less than the effect of the Sun or the Moon on the Earth. Depending on how strictly you want to define "alignment", the inner six planets are aligned every fifty to a hundred years or so. While unusual, such alignments have happened in the past without any consequences. The planets are simply too far away to have an effect on anything here on Earth - except our imaginations."

And 21 is not the same number as 12. 12 is divisible by 4, 21 isn't. 12 is an even number, 21 isn't. 12 does not go into 21, unless you'd like fractional remainders. 2012 is not divisible by 12. That theory holds no water.

Hi again Bleedingelite, change can be minor or major eitherway guess we are just gonna have to wait and see...tell me what do you know about the web-bot projects and the accuracy of it's predictions?

A lot of people don't even believe that such a project exists. I looked and looked for it and came up with nothing but vague allegations that it successfully predicted things without any kind of backing quotes or sources. Even on alien-hub.com there was a discussion where the majority said it's a load of poop. And, of course, there's always the idea that, if something like that DOES exist, why is there no mention of the predictions that it got wrong. Certainly such a powerful tool isn't just used for 2 or three non-economic predictions over a ten year period. I also read that the bot supposedly has predicted a nuclear battle in 2008. I guess we'll have to wait and see, right?

I'm good snow... (hope you don't mind my short hand nicknames... my brain has lapses and doesn't register long names as names, but more as sentenses...) I do agree with elite on the fact 12 and 21 don't go into eachother... but flip the numbers around on 21 and you get 12... GAHH the numbers make my head hurt lol. (was never really good at mathmatics) But I was thinking, Elite, what would happen to the pull of gravity in space itself if all planets in our system were to align? (this of course won't happen in 2012, but the theory itself is intriguing) if all planets were to align, even for 15 minutes, what effect would it have? perhaps the tides would rise a little higher than usual, or the electromagnetic field around the earth will be weakened/strengthened? the prospect of this thought is amusing to my brain (I thrive on pessimisim, kinda) so what do you think?

Well, according to everything I've read, absolutely nothing would happen. There would be no noticeable effect. The planets are just too far away and too small. You have to understand the distances we're talking. It's literally in the millions of miles. And the sun is just so comparatively gigantic that its gravity is powerful enough to significantly affect everything in the solar system. And as far as small scale effects are concerned, you have to keep in mind that gravity, for some darn confounded reason, doesn't work on the atomic scale.

Now, as to whether or not an aligning of the planets will open up some hellish gateway to the underworld or something, I can't say for sure. Let's just keep our fingers crossed.

I don't know about any of this,and don't know if nubers have any mystical properties.I see the number 44 all the time, more than a person should.lol,I don't really place any importance on it other than me thinking it is weird to see that number as many times as I do.

I do think however that numbers are a tool, and they are a way to universally communicate,"or at least mathmatics can be used in that way",and in fact it is a scietific fact that mathmatices have everything to do with how we percieve and discover how everthing in the universe works.

I am not a mathmatician, but in my opinion, I do not think that any one number has some all powerfull mystical properties.

Hi Jonny b, you hit what I was tryng to say...right on the head. I wasn't saying the number 12 held any mystical properties...I was trying to say (and you said it so well) that I think the way it has been used in history and the fact that it came up and was tied to both natural disasters by the media (not me)...could be some type of communication.

Could be,Infact I was under the immpression, that if we were going to communicate with anything alien,"in any way, shape or form", that the easiest way to do it would be with mathmatics.Now that I am thinking about it if natural disasters could be measured mathmatically somehow, maybe we could communicate with our own planet as an entity.

LOL, is that a stretch?hehe..........................................

Yeah, I've thought about that too. The problem would be finding a common mathematical language. I mean, they would have to somehow come to understand the meanings behind the symbols for our numbers, the meanings behind things like decimal points and function signs, the order of operations and so on.

It is my understanding that the current math system we use is not the same as the one used by ET's who visit us. They use a base 12 system and our system is base 10.

As far as communication is concerned, the earth's entity awareness and all ET's rely on telepathy for communication. Channeling is a form of telepathy used by many humans. It is a common language because it is Not a language. It is a concept exchange and shared experience. More like an experience exchange that a vocabulary. The human will translate the experience to words to satisfy the description properly.

John

Ohhhh kaaaaay.

Very interesting John...would like to know more about this, please.

The channeled material from Kryon has made mention of this many times. There are 11 books that have been published and there have been monthly messages for more than a dozen years.

One of the more rescent messages at this link, which covers the subject of humanity, explaines some of the details for this conclusion.
http://www.kryon.com/k_chanelshasta_2_07.html

I myself tend to think that we as a culture are no way near as smart as we could be. The potentials have always been there to think and pratice discernment, yet we are taught an endless list of absoultes from religion through science and into social pratices. The culture itself leaves no room for speculation which is the food for creative achievement.

The link describes 12 strand DNA which is also an item of interest for the current thread. If evolved life in the universe use base 12 logic, we could well do our self a service by examining its values.

John

12 could also be 21 (12 backwards) or all the numbers that make up 12 which would be 1+11, 2+10, 3+9 and so on... or you could consider the factors that go into 12 which is 1,2,3,4,6,12

only visually could 12 be 21, and that has nothing to do with the actual numbers. The only thing they are linked by is a common factor of 3.

what about 1221?

Try looking up the numerogical meaning of the number 12, maybe it will tell you something about yourself. (I THINK 12 is a sense of heightened awareness...) btw, the meaning of life is 42!

How can we have 12 DNA strands? Two 6-stranded anti parallel strands in a helical formation? Nice

i've read on the previous post about the number systems
does the number system affect the way we communicate?
i think the higher the base number the accurate the computation is
how about those ET's who use base number of 12?
and how about mayans who use base number of 13 and babylon with base number of 60?

does my question makes sense?

Then there's the info on the 6 fingered people...

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...howtopic=113948



http://www.thefunnypage.com/toes/



http://osdir.com/ml/culture.discuss.cia-dr...8/msg00540.html


http://www.sydhav.no/sixfingers/statues.htm

Goliath, the famous giant slain by the later king David, was about 12 feet (3,66 meters) tall. He was one of the last giants, the Anakim. These giants were the offspings of the sons of God and the daughters of men, as citied in Genesis 6:4. Also Goliath, according to the Bible, he had six fingers and six toes

..Eeek check out the fingers!!!

http://www.collector-antiquities.com/149/


http://www.crystalinks.com/sumerart.html




?????? Could that be why there are some ancient statues with missing hands??


http://books.google.com.au/books?id=27nq65...;hl=en#PPA24,M1


It could be that this fascination of number 12 could be a telepathic..subconscious link to these 6 fingered races.. 'Gods'

That the year 2012 is when they will next significantly appear?

ok, that's just plain creepy sage... O.o

Yes,Finally! now theres is the right way of seeing it!

Awe, thank you... haha I always had a dream the end of "our world" would play out like this... O.o I've been known to have prophetic dreams... .IS THIS REALLY GONNA HAPPEN?!

No.

awe, come on, am I not allowed to HOPE it will play out like this?

No. I've seen it in my dreams. What's going to happen is this:

In 2010, Iran and North Korea will form a nuclear pact to gain a larger voice in global happenings. The US, with our unwavering foreign policies concerning anybody other than us having nuclear weapons, will freak out and declare their refusal to back down an act of war. Much nuking will result, decimating the human population. The radiation will lead to mutations in organic matter that cause dead creatures to return to life and hunger for a constant supply of living flesh. I think you know what happens from there.

-gasp- you mean... ZOMBIES?! WE ALL DIE AND BECOME ZOMBIES?!?! RAWK!!! mwahahaha I'll feast upon brains like it's going out of style.

I find myself partial to seven's and nines...does that mean anything?

Having an extra digit is called 'polydactyly', and it's usually a disformed finger or toe that has no function at all. And there are still giants, but they usually have bad health and die of a young age because of their seize. Apart from steroid pumped up wrestlers, giantst are rarely fast, durable and they grow to anything but an incredible age.

Why haven't we found remains of such giants? Or even exceptional huge tools, surely they would've need huge everyday tools. I like the story and it would explain a lot, but seeing the facts we know today, I remain skeptic.

The number 12 can be a symbol of a circle like the twelve sings of the zodiac. It means something what is completed and what contains everything. In case of knowledge it is understanding of everything, but some take the number 12 for a number 3 since 2 + 1 = 3.

Yes, but if astrology is bullcrap, and the magical-ness of 12 is based on astrology, then I can logically say that it is bullcrap as well. Here's some more profound magical knowledge of the number 12.

The number 12 is a symbol for an amount that isn't quite 13, but more than 11. 12 can be divided by 3, working out to 4. Interestingly, it can also be divided by 4 to equal 3.
12 divided by 2 equals 6. If you divide 12 by 6, you get 2.
I'm not even making this stuff up.
I've also noticed that 12 + 12 equals 24, and 24 divided by 6 is 4, and then multiplied by 3 again equals 12. This leads me to conclude that 3, 4, 12, 24, and 7,004 are all incredibly magical numbers.
Anybody who reads 12 as 1+2 should probably spend some time looking over their arithmetic, as you need the plus sign to make it into that equation.
I have, however, included above a method for reaching the number 3 if you're interested.

Should I point out that you've made yourself sound like an ***? I mean, no offence, but, HEE-HAW! All that statement is, is simple arithmatic, try looking into numerology, and educate yourself some more before going on the all-out offencive with mathmatical equations.

Last night, I dreamt we were having the talented UM columnist Ken Korczak over our house for dinner. In the dream, he lived nearby but I had to go to his house in order to lead him to mine. His house was large and white and divided into three units. He had the middle unit and the address was either 12 or 1212. Upon waking, the number 12 was the symbol that stood out in my mind. I searched the internet for any significance. Mainly, there was a lot of biblical symbolism, which has no meaning for me, and general cyclical and astrological symbolism. However, nothing connected. I forgot about it but it crept back into my mind in the afternoon and a voice in my head said, "Go to the source." Since the association with the columnist is UM, I typed in the UM web address. As I did, I glanced at the clock. The time was 12:12. I am NOT kidding. And what was on the forum? 'the number 12'.

Now, I could apply a lot of meaning to anything here, but it's quite possible that neither the house, the color white, the dinner, Ken Korczak, or the number 12 are significant. What stood out to me was the whole idea of going to the source-- the website where I enjoy reading The Stainless Steel Wizard. Even though the 12:12 time of day, and 'the number 12' discussion seem significant, they aren't.

Symbology is a rich world to explore-any artist or writer can attest to that. And sometimes the symbol really packs a meaningful punch, but the function of a symbol is not about dwelling on the symbol. It's about what happens in the process of exploring what a symbol represents. Where does the journey take you in that exploration? In my case, I am going to think about what it means to return to the source. That might have some significance. But the number itself does not.