SNELLVILLE, Ga. -- In an attempt to draw in new members, a church in Snellville set up a sign that read “Free Gasoline.”
The offer is a not a giveaway. Instead, each time newcomers or members attend a church event during a Sunday-to-Wednesday revival they get a pink raffle ticket for a chance to win one of two $500 gas cards.
"We don't know how far it will go with these soaring prices," said Rusty Newman, the church's senior pastor. "But it may make someone's night."
They set up a sign advertising the offer outside the church's parking lot on a busy road near downtown Snellville, a traffic-clogged suburb northeast of Atlanta. How can we capture those people?" asked James Lee, the church's minister to seniors, who came up with the idea. "We're strong in door-to-door evangelism, but there's no way to reach them all."
Soon after the church posted the sign, the calls came flooding in.
Enough inquiries came pouring in that Newman had to order a new phone line and dedicate a receptionist to answering each one.
Radio show hosts in Oregon caught wind of the idea and invited Newman on air.
Newman views it as a service to the community, and he's looked to the Bible for his endorsement. One passage he mentions to support his idea involves Jesus feeding 5,000 with a few loaves of bread and a couple of fish.
"Some pastors have questioned our motives," Newman said. "If it was just to get people in the building, it would be wrong. But we want to meet someone's physical need and eternal spiritual needs."
http://www.cbs46.com/gwinnettnews/16253418/detail.html
Anyone besides me have a problem with this?
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QUOTE (norwood1026 @ May 14 2008, 10:58 AM) 
"If it was just to get people in the building, it would be wrong. But we want to meet someone's physical need and eternal spiritual needs."
I would have less of a problem if they were honest about what they were doing.
Gee I would go to get a chance for free gas. I don't have to change my religion to go. It is like going to Church for the potluck. 
Ingenious idea. totally the wrong idea though. People are going there for free fuel and that's all. I wonder how they can afford to give away two $500 vouchers each week. Must be a pretty big church. I do see the..... err, "logic".... in their approach, but seriously feel that it is a flawed logic. They may claim they are trying to save souls, but they're really only trying to put butts on seats. I guess we come to the whold "quantity vs quality" argument - is a small church with active, growing Christians more desireable than a massive church with people who just don't care about their beliefs? Without more information, I cannot offer an opinion, but going by what info has been given, I would question the spiritual life of those who go this obviously cashed-up church.
Just a few thoughts,
Just a few thoughts,
PA, I guess your Church doesn't have membership drives. Churches in the states are losing members, I guess they figure if they can get a few butts in the seats maybe they can get a few to stay. Beside I am sure they will make up the cost with extras in the collection plate. When I go for a potluck service I alway put a buck in the plate.
QUOTE (Darkwind @ May 14 2008, 10:58 PM)
PA, I guess your Church doesn't have membership drives. Churches in the states are losing members, I guess they figure if they can get a few butts in the seats maybe they can get a few to stay. Beside I am sure they will make up the cost with extras in the collection plate. When I go for a potluck service I alway put a buck in the plate.
I know what you mean. When I was working with the Youth Group, it's what we called the "Revolving Door Policy". It's all good to get people through the front door, but if they're leaving through the back door the very next day, then have we really achieved anything? I honestly don't know what it's like to be in a place where church attendance is on the decrease. I know that worldwide, church attendance is dropping, but Sydney is one of the few places in the world where Church attendance is on the increase (I won't speculate on "Christian-attendance" though, since going to church does not necessarily make one a Christian). I personally believe that this is a result of Faithful teaching of the Bible in a world where many areas are compromising the Bible to make it more "user-friendly" to modern folks. But back to the church, I cannot fathom $500 vouchers being given away each week (or even each month). We just don't have the funds for something like that - we don't make ends meet as is. We do have "evangelistic events", perhaps hold a dinner or something (last year we had a "Death by Chocolate" desert evening), but these are all funded by us members, and the idea is to simply share the gospel with friends. We certainly haven't advertised in newspapers or on freeways or the like (we couldn't afford it, even if we wanted to). I think that would just lead to the inevitable "revolving door" that we spoke about.
sorry, I hope this doesn't sound like I'm trying to turn the discussion to my situation, I'm just trying to discuss my own view of the situation. I don't think it's as simple as "small church vs mega-church" but from my small-medium sized church perspective, that's sometimes what it feels like. If you know what I mean.
All the best, my friend
Nice relegion, it must be popular if it needs to bribe you in.
its not even about spirtality anymore, its about numbers on seats.
tut tut.
its not even about spirtality anymore, its about numbers on seats.
tut tut.
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ May 14 2008, 08:58 PM)
SNELLVILLE, Ga. -- In an attempt to draw in new members, a church in Snellville set up a sign that read “Free Gasoline.”
The offer is a not a giveaway. Instead, each time newcomers or members attend a church event during a Sunday-to-Wednesday revival they get a pink raffle ticket for a chance to win one of two $500 gas cards.
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Anyone besides me have a problem with this?
If it was a corporate promotion for "Amco Gas", or, say, "Kellogs Corn Flakes", it would be fine. That's how they drum up more sales.The offer is a not a giveaway. Instead, each time newcomers or members attend a church event during a Sunday-to-Wednesday revival they get a pink raffle ticket for a chance to win one of two $500 gas cards.
~~~ ...
Anyone besides me have a problem with this?
But for a "church" ...? No way! Could it be that Bible Christianity is on the endangered species list?
Karlis
by louie:
This is why certain organized religions causes me to scratch my head in confusion. I would say all organized religions, but I have not seen Judiaism or Islam temple and mosques doing this. First, in the last few years in varying states, I have seen these commercialized wordings on church's outside marques boards, and now inticing the world with door prizes. I find that pretty pathetic. I don't think it works. It's one thing if a supermarket does it, and it's just to help their customers at their own pumps, (there is a NorthEast supermarket chain that does that here and have their own pumps), then again, they also have other items to actually sell. The idea to get people into a church, and in my mind, to try to convert them, just so they can get more people? Maybe it's me, but I do not think that this is what this religion is all about. I try reading the OP's posting of it more than once, just to see if they are just trying to help. It seems to me though, they are trying to get their church filled, albait, not very well. If they are trying to help, well than..............
Now, I always thought that to join a church, you actually honestly want to be a part of that church and actually believe in the religion of it. If it's to fill up the pews and the collection plate, then I think the religion part of it is lost. Well, my take on it.
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Nice relegion, it must be popular if it needs to bribe you in.
its not even about spirtality anymore, its about numbers on seats.
tut tut.
its not even about spirtality anymore, its about numbers on seats.
tut tut.
This is why certain organized religions causes me to scratch my head in confusion. I would say all organized religions, but I have not seen Judiaism or Islam temple and mosques doing this. First, in the last few years in varying states, I have seen these commercialized wordings on church's outside marques boards, and now inticing the world with door prizes. I find that pretty pathetic. I don't think it works. It's one thing if a supermarket does it, and it's just to help their customers at their own pumps, (there is a NorthEast supermarket chain that does that here and have their own pumps), then again, they also have other items to actually sell. The idea to get people into a church, and in my mind, to try to convert them, just so they can get more people? Maybe it's me, but I do not think that this is what this religion is all about. I try reading the OP's posting of it more than once, just to see if they are just trying to help. It seems to me though, they are trying to get their church filled, albait, not very well. If they are trying to help, well than..............
Now, I always thought that to join a church, you actually honestly want to be a part of that church and actually believe in the religion of it. If it's to fill up the pews and the collection plate, then I think the religion part of it is lost. Well, my take on it.
What a ploy... it seems to be going over like a fart in church here on this forum... get it? Church/Gas?... D'oh
*realizes I have too much coffee in my system this morninggggg-g-g-g.
*realizes I have too much coffee in my system this morninggggg-g-g-g.
The only people who should care about their strategy are the members of that church. Does it really affect us in anyway? Most of us disprove of running a church as a business model with a profit driven mindset so I see this as no reflection of Christianity in general.
QUOTE (Paranoid Android @ May 14 2008, 02:16 PM)
We do have "evangelistic events", perhaps hold a dinner or something (last year we had a "Death by Chocolate" desert evening), but these are all funded by us members, and the idea is to simply share the gospel with friends.
All the best, my friend
All the best, my friend
OH if I was in Sydney I would go to a death by chocolate event. I would be happy to talk about the Bible while I stuff my face, but your right the next day I would be out the door. It would take more than chocolate or gas to make me change my religion.
Death by Chocolate is a good idea for a Pagan meet to get some of the local Pagans out of the closet.
by Clovis:
Well, there should be an arguement in these churches. Otherwise, they don't have a say in the matter, then maybe that's it? Do the currant members have a say in this? This is a good point, what does the present congragation say about their church being turned into a business?
I can't see it, as must as I see some banks seeing the money as a product. With my retail experience, I was inticed to be hired by a particular bank company, because of my customer service and retail history. Then I realized that the overall look was to view money as a product, like I see a dress at Walmart as a product. I am appalled, and that is me, but I couldn't change my viewpoint and thus left after vary degrees of not understanding it. Money is tender, not the object before the tender, my view on that. I am disgusted, that this company, this bank company, was trying to get me to work for them with this reasoning. I see it as unreasonable reasoning. So, in that line of thinking, this church is wrong for doing this, I think, because the first thing is first, it's a church. Like I feel in a public gathered place, with all beliefs in one room, there is a time for promoting someone, and no room for a particular religion, or all for that manner, same at this church, varying topics should not mix with others. We should chose to go into a church, not be inticed into it.
by Darkwind:
I wouldn't it, and I am a addicted chocoholic. I just do not think that going for chocolate at a place that I do not share a belief into, is wrong for me to go to. I wouldn't go in the first place. As by your last statement, I like that. I would probably go, not because of chocolate, as I was stating here, but who know, I personally think I could be a closet Pagans. There are times, that after reading your posts, and some other Pagan's posts, that I think in that same line. So, I would go for two reasons.
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The only people who should care about their strategy are the members of that church. Does it really affect us in anyway? Most of us disprove of running a church as a business model with a profit driven mindset so I see this as no reflection of Christianity in general.
Well, there should be an arguement in these churches. Otherwise, they don't have a say in the matter, then maybe that's it? Do the currant members have a say in this? This is a good point, what does the present congragation say about their church being turned into a business?
I can't see it, as must as I see some banks seeing the money as a product. With my retail experience, I was inticed to be hired by a particular bank company, because of my customer service and retail history. Then I realized that the overall look was to view money as a product, like I see a dress at Walmart as a product. I am appalled, and that is me, but I couldn't change my viewpoint and thus left after vary degrees of not understanding it. Money is tender, not the object before the tender, my view on that. I am disgusted, that this company, this bank company, was trying to get me to work for them with this reasoning. I see it as unreasonable reasoning. So, in that line of thinking, this church is wrong for doing this, I think, because the first thing is first, it's a church. Like I feel in a public gathered place, with all beliefs in one room, there is a time for promoting someone, and no room for a particular religion, or all for that manner, same at this church, varying topics should not mix with others. We should chose to go into a church, not be inticed into it.
by Darkwind:
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OH if I was in Sydney I would go to a death by chocolate event. I would be happy to talk about the Bible while I stuff my face, but your right the next day I would be out the door. It would take more than chocolate or gas to make me change my religion.
Death by Chocolate is a good idea for a Pagan meet to get some of the local Pagans out of the closet.
Death by Chocolate is a good idea for a Pagan meet to get some of the local Pagans out of the closet.
I wouldn't it, and I am a addicted chocoholic. I just do not think that going for chocolate at a place that I do not share a belief into, is wrong for me to go to. I wouldn't go in the first place. As by your last statement, I like that. I would probably go, not because of chocolate, as I was stating here, but who know, I personally think I could be a closet Pagans. There are times, that after reading your posts, and some other Pagan's posts, that I think in that same line. So, I would go for two reasons.
QUOTE (Watchful @ May 14 2008, 02:06 PM)
I wouldn't it, and I am a addicted chocoholic. I just do not think that going for chocolate at a place that I do not share a belief into, is wrong for me to go to. I wouldn't go in the first place. As by your last statement, I like that. I would probably go, not because of chocolate, as I was stating here, but who know, I personally think I could be a closet Pagans. There are times, that after reading your posts, and some other Pagan's posts, that I think in that same line. So, I would go for two reasons.
And you would be welcome and so would PA just cause I think we would have a lot of fun. So I would actually have two reasons for going to PA's death by chocolate, one would be to meet PA in person and debate religion with him. LOL Being disabled sometimes the month runs a little long if I can pick up a free meal or gas I am going to go for it.
Selling the word of God for a small price. 
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ May 14 2008, 05:58 AM)
SNELLVILLE, Ga. -- In an attempt to draw in new members, a church in Snellville set up a sign that read “Free Gasoline.”
The offer is a not a giveaway. Instead, each time newcomers or members attend a church event during a Sunday-to-Wednesday revival they get a pink raffle ticket for a chance to win one of two $500 gas cards.
.... snip .....
Anyone besides me have a problem with this?
The offer is a not a giveaway. Instead, each time newcomers or members attend a church event during a Sunday-to-Wednesday revival they get a pink raffle ticket for a chance to win one of two $500 gas cards.
.... snip .....
Anyone besides me have a problem with this?
So apparently the free ticket to heaven, as offered during the crusades, is no longer enough? Just goes to show the value of oil now a days.
Its a little shady, but I wouldn't imagine that anyone who goes for the gas is going for spiritual reasons. Hell, I'd go for the free gas. Why not?
I'd go to... I have an mp3 player and I could play my yahtzee handheld.
Church attendance has been dropping rapidly in the more modern countries with more education... How wonderful. I love to see these guys squirm and are forced to bribe people to just attend. Makes the world a better place
Church attendance has been dropping rapidly in the more modern countries with more education... How wonderful. I love to see these guys squirm and are forced to bribe people to just attend. Makes the world a better place
QUOTE (__Kratos__ @ May 14 2008, 12:07 PM)
Church attendance has been dropping rapidly in the more modern countries with more education... How wonderful. I love to see these guys squirm and are forced to bribe people to just attend. Makes the world a better place
While it can be said that church and a belief in God is more significant among the poor and uneducated it can also be said that the decline in belief is not purely just because of education. The more I learn about scientific discoveries and proof the more it makes me believe in God. Here is an article that does not agree with my exact position but does investigate the question. It differentiates beliefs based on traditional dogma versus those based on other types of the paranormal and how the latter are not always dismissed just through education. This of course as I said does not even touch my second sentence in this paragraph and is unrelated to that and definitely agrees with your assertion. One that I disagree with not on the merit of what is stated but in the intention that it is said with. I do not think it makes the world a better place IMHO.
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Education may not be the antidote to paranormal thinking that some observers imagine. Even scientific knowledge and scientific reasoning correlate inconsistently with paranormalism. Here's a new look at the relationship between these two seemingly contradictory dimensions.
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My hypothesis is a bit different from the "enlightenment" position. I propose that the frequently stated argument that education is an antidote to paranormal beliefs is at least partly erroneous. I suggest that paranormal thinking is made up of a diversity of strands, some of which are discouraged with increased levels of education and some of which are not. I further suggest that the human capacity to compartmentalize categories of thinking is sufficiently great as to permit simultaneous belief in assertions that are contradictory. Many individuals, in fact, accept the truth of paranormal assertions alongside scientific principles that logically and factually contradict them.
I suggest that, instead of a simple, unambiguous negative relationship between education and scientific knowledge on the one hand and paranormalism on the other, there are different dimensions of paranormalism, each with its own special relationship to education and scientific knowledge. I suggest further that the notion that paranormalism violates the laws of nature is an emic concept among scientists--an idea supported by the lore that is accepted within the scientific community and largely alien to the general public.
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Henri Broch (2000) reports that, in France, public opinion polls actually demonstrate a positive relationship between paranormal beliefs and education, that level of belief in paranormalism actually rises as education rises. (A finding which strikes at the heart of the Sagan hypothesis.) However, in an attempt to overturn this relationship, he has developed a course at the university level designed to reduce belief in paranormalism by getting students to participate directly and actively in hands-on experiments which demonstrate one or more extrascientific claims to be false by revealing how such claims can be faked. Broch claims extremely high rates of success with these experiments.
Broch's data suggest that the acquisition of education may not demolish paranormal beliefs because much scientific knowledge and even acquaintance with the scientific method operate on far too abstract a level. It is only when specific paranormal beliefs are placed in direct, rude juxtaposition with a specific, systematic, empirical test that faith in them is diminished. In other words, for the mass of the public, working from the top down doesn't seem to have an impact.
I don't recommend that we abandon science in our educational curricula. But what I wonder about is how science is taught. It's possible that most science instructors don't consider paranormal and pseudoscience assertions a sufficient threat to science that they confront them directly with the evidence of our senses. It's possible that the current curriculum isn't doing enough to combat pseudoscience. Clearly, we have a great deal to learn about these relationships and what we can do about them--or even if we can do anything about them at all.
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My hypothesis is a bit different from the "enlightenment" position. I propose that the frequently stated argument that education is an antidote to paranormal beliefs is at least partly erroneous. I suggest that paranormal thinking is made up of a diversity of strands, some of which are discouraged with increased levels of education and some of which are not. I further suggest that the human capacity to compartmentalize categories of thinking is sufficiently great as to permit simultaneous belief in assertions that are contradictory. Many individuals, in fact, accept the truth of paranormal assertions alongside scientific principles that logically and factually contradict them.
I suggest that, instead of a simple, unambiguous negative relationship between education and scientific knowledge on the one hand and paranormalism on the other, there are different dimensions of paranormalism, each with its own special relationship to education and scientific knowledge. I suggest further that the notion that paranormalism violates the laws of nature is an emic concept among scientists--an idea supported by the lore that is accepted within the scientific community and largely alien to the general public.
...
Henri Broch (2000) reports that, in France, public opinion polls actually demonstrate a positive relationship between paranormal beliefs and education, that level of belief in paranormalism actually rises as education rises. (A finding which strikes at the heart of the Sagan hypothesis.) However, in an attempt to overturn this relationship, he has developed a course at the university level designed to reduce belief in paranormalism by getting students to participate directly and actively in hands-on experiments which demonstrate one or more extrascientific claims to be false by revealing how such claims can be faked. Broch claims extremely high rates of success with these experiments.
Broch's data suggest that the acquisition of education may not demolish paranormal beliefs because much scientific knowledge and even acquaintance with the scientific method operate on far too abstract a level. It is only when specific paranormal beliefs are placed in direct, rude juxtaposition with a specific, systematic, empirical test that faith in them is diminished. In other words, for the mass of the public, working from the top down doesn't seem to have an impact.
I don't recommend that we abandon science in our educational curricula. But what I wonder about is how science is taught. It's possible that most science instructors don't consider paranormal and pseudoscience assertions a sufficient threat to science that they confront them directly with the evidence of our senses. It's possible that the current curriculum isn't doing enough to combat pseudoscience. Clearly, we have a great deal to learn about these relationships and what we can do about them--or even if we can do anything about them at all.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m284...i_80924580/pg_5
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ May 14 2008, 02:58 AM)
"How can we capture those people?"
Proof!
IMO this is a sad marketing ploy by a sad church.Obviously they are wealthy,since they are giving away $500 a month,and i think that has gotten to their head.All they care about is getting more ppl in the pews so they can get more recognition and more money.It's really sad how christianity is slipping down the drain in the U.S.My church is the fastest growing church in our county(the fastest growing county in N.C. 
)and our building is an old chicken farm!
The reason ppl come to our church is cuz we have a reputation for being the nicest ppl around.That's the reason ppl should come to a church,not because of free gasoline.
)and our building is an old chicken farm! The reason ppl come to our church is cuz we have a reputation for being the nicest ppl around.That's the reason ppl should come to a church,not because of free gasoline.
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ May 14 2008, 05:58 AM)
SNELLVILLE, Ga. -- In an attempt to draw in new members, a church in Snellville set up a sign that read “Free Gasoline.”
The offer is a not a giveaway. Instead, each time newcomers or members attend a church event during a Sunday-to-Wednesday revival they get a pink raffle ticket for a chance to win one of two $500 gas cards.
The offer is a not a giveaway. Instead, each time newcomers or members attend a church event during a Sunday-to-Wednesday revival they get a pink raffle ticket for a chance to win one of two $500 gas cards.
So the sign say "Free Gasoline?" That is very disingenuous and misleading. I like how he points out that it is not a giveaway. That sentence gives away the true intentions immediately. At least if it was a true giveaway people would think "Well what a nice bunch of people. They gave out free gas to a lucky few in the community and didn't want anything in return." Instead they are bribing you into attending their church, and only then do you get a chance at the free gas.
In the business world that is a great sales tactic to get the customers in the door in hopes that they will continue to return to spend their money.
QUOTE (bball @ May 14 2008, 05:32 PM)
So the sign say "Free Gasoline?" That is very disingenuous and misleading. I like how he points out that it is not a giveaway. That sentence gives away the true intentions immediately. At least if it was a true giveaway people would think "Well what a nice bunch of people. They gave out free gas to a lucky few in the community and didn't want anything in return." Instead they are bribing you into attending their church, and only then do you get a chance at the free gas.
In the business world that is a great sales tactic to get the customers in the door in hopes that they will continue to return to spend their money.
In the business world that is a great sales tactic to get the customers in the door in hopes that they will continue to return to spend their money.
Historically, a religion is a business. Just look at the rise of mega-churches in America. That and the recent advent of so called 'prosperity theology' as supported by men like Joel Osteen plus a tax exempt status and... wa la... you're rolling in the Benjamins.
QUOTE (Clovis @ May 14 2008, 02:41 PM)
The only people who should care about their strategy are the members of that church. Does it really affect us in anyway? Most of us disprove of running a church as a business model with a profit driven mindset so I see this as no reflection of Christianity in general.
You may not but others do it only takes one church or one person to make the rest of us look foolish, this goes for any religion.
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ May 14 2008, 11:58 AM)
SNELLVILLE, Ga. -- In an attempt to draw in new members, a church in Snellville set up a sign that read “Free Gasoline.”
The offer is a not a giveaway. Instead, each time newcomers or members attend a church event during a Sunday-to-Wednesday revival they get a pink raffle ticket for a chance to win one of two $500 gas cards.
"We don't know how far it will go with these soaring prices," said Rusty Newman, the church's senior pastor. "But it may make someone's night."
They set up a sign advertising the offer outside the church's parking lot on a busy road near downtown Snellville, a traffic-clogged suburb northeast of Atlanta. How can we capture those people?" asked James Lee, the church's minister to seniors, who came up with the idea. "We're strong in door-to-door evangelism, but there's no way to reach them all."
Soon after the church posted the sign, the calls came flooding in.
Enough inquiries came pouring in that Newman had to order a new phone line and dedicate a receptionist to answering each one.
Radio show hosts in Oregon caught wind of the idea and invited Newman on air.
Newman views it as a service to the community, and he's looked to the Bible for his endorsement. One passage he mentions to support his idea involves Jesus feeding 5,000 with a few loaves of bread and a couple of fish.
"Some pastors have questioned our motives," Newman said. "If it was just to get people in the building, it would be wrong. But we want to meet someone's physical need and eternal spiritual needs."
http://www.cbs46.com/gwinnettnews/16253418/detail.html
Anyone besides me have a problem with this?
The offer is a not a giveaway. Instead, each time newcomers or members attend a church event during a Sunday-to-Wednesday revival they get a pink raffle ticket for a chance to win one of two $500 gas cards.
"We don't know how far it will go with these soaring prices," said Rusty Newman, the church's senior pastor. "But it may make someone's night."
They set up a sign advertising the offer outside the church's parking lot on a busy road near downtown Snellville, a traffic-clogged suburb northeast of Atlanta. How can we capture those people?" asked James Lee, the church's minister to seniors, who came up with the idea. "We're strong in door-to-door evangelism, but there's no way to reach them all."
Soon after the church posted the sign, the calls came flooding in.
Enough inquiries came pouring in that Newman had to order a new phone line and dedicate a receptionist to answering each one.
Radio show hosts in Oregon caught wind of the idea and invited Newman on air.
Newman views it as a service to the community, and he's looked to the Bible for his endorsement. One passage he mentions to support his idea involves Jesus feeding 5,000 with a few loaves of bread and a couple of fish.
"Some pastors have questioned our motives," Newman said. "If it was just to get people in the building, it would be wrong. But we want to meet someone's physical need and eternal spiritual needs."
http://www.cbs46.com/gwinnettnews/16253418/detail.html
Anyone besides me have a problem with this?
.............<<>> I don't have a problem with it. It is a good way to win souls for the kingdom.
I think you missed the whole point why this church offered one of 2 $500.00 gas cards. This offer was a one time shot for a (Revival) that they were having for a visiting (Evangelist) that was to preach the (Word of God) from Sunday morning through Wednesday night service. In the article The Pastor from the (Baptist Church) stated that their church has a very strong (door-to-door Evangelism). But there was no way to reach all the people to invite them to this (Revival). Being a Christian I see that the churches intentions was to only plant seed in the hearts of people for the kingdom. The Word of God does not come back void. Once the Word of God is planted in the heart it will be there forever as stated in (Isa.55:11)-verse-11- So shall My Word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me (Void), But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.
Who is to say that through this offer from this church, God didn't touch the peoples hearts. And maybe down the road some of the people that attended this (Revival), would give their life to Jesus Christ over a couple of (Gas Tickets). This is the heart of a (True Christian) to win as many souls for the (Kingdom of God) as We can so we can take as many people to Heaven with us..............Joey.
Ok, first, I think this is pretty tacky. I'd be utterly mortified if my church did something like that. Of course, they never would.
Second, in reality (you can relax my atheist and pagan friends of the Bible Belt South), they're not gaining NEW converts... they're really just trying to steal members from other churches. That's all.
Second, in reality (you can relax my atheist and pagan friends of the Bible Belt South), they're not gaining NEW converts... they're really just trying to steal members from other churches. That's all.
QUOTE (joeycastaneda56 @ May 14 2008, 08:25 PM)
.............<<>> I don't have a problem with it. It is a good way to win souls for the kingdom.
I think you missed the whole point why this church offered one of 2 $500.00 gas cards. This offer was a one time shot for a (Revival) that they were having for a visiting (Evangelist) that was to preach the (Word of God) from Sunday morning through Wednesday night service. In the article The Pastor from the (Baptist Church) stated that their church has a very strong (door-to-door Evangelism). But there was no way to reach all the people to invite them to this (Revival). Being a Christian I see that the churches intentions was to only plant seed in the hearts of people for the kingdom. The Word of God does not come back void. Once the Word of God is planted in the heart it will be there forever as stated in (Isa.55:11)-verse-11- So shall My Word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me (Void), But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.
Who is to say that through this offer from this church, God didn't touch the peoples hearts. And maybe down the road some of the people that attended this (Revival), would give their life to Jesus Christ over a couple of (Gas Tickets). This is the heart of a (True Christian) to win as many souls for the (Kingdom of God) as We can so we can take as many people to Heaven with us..............Joey.
I think you missed the whole point why this church offered one of 2 $500.00 gas cards. This offer was a one time shot for a (Revival) that they were having for a visiting (Evangelist) that was to preach the (Word of God) from Sunday morning through Wednesday night service. In the article The Pastor from the (Baptist Church) stated that their church has a very strong (door-to-door Evangelism). But there was no way to reach all the people to invite them to this (Revival). Being a Christian I see that the churches intentions was to only plant seed in the hearts of people for the kingdom. The Word of God does not come back void. Once the Word of God is planted in the heart it will be there forever as stated in (Isa.55:11)-verse-11- So shall My Word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me (Void), But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.
Who is to say that through this offer from this church, God didn't touch the peoples hearts. And maybe down the road some of the people that attended this (Revival), would give their life to Jesus Christ over a couple of (Gas Tickets). This is the heart of a (True Christian) to win as many souls for the (Kingdom of God) as We can so we can take as many people to Heaven with us..............Joey.
You don't have a problem with bribery? Didn't Christ say something about not turning his fathers house into a market place? Personally, were I Christian I would decry this as an abomination. It would be one thing if the gas cards were the prize from a fundraiser, but its an entirely different thing when the material reward comes from actually attending the church. Pfft.
I disagree with churchanddestroy that all church models are based as business models. I have been to some churches where you can tell profit is not on anyone's mind. The Bible also warns us against this.
I also agree with joey that this should not be a problem. The intention is what counts and to sit on the sidelines and claim they are making a business out of it or that they are attempting to steal other church members does not ring true. The first though might be true more truer than the second. If it was only 2 cards and not a weekly thing I see no harm. People just want an excuse to cast stones and point fingers at Christians and that is fine but unless someone is from that church and knows what is going on your opinion is just that...an opinion. This was my humble opinion as well.
As long as a Christian is not attempting to attack another person then they are not doing nothing wrong. I see no church here in attack mode. I see no problem with it but have not looked deep into this case as well.
I also agree with joey that this should not be a problem. The intention is what counts and to sit on the sidelines and claim they are making a business out of it or that they are attempting to steal other church members does not ring true. The first though might be true more truer than the second. If it was only 2 cards and not a weekly thing I see no harm. People just want an excuse to cast stones and point fingers at Christians and that is fine but unless someone is from that church and knows what is going on your opinion is just that...an opinion. This was my humble opinion as well.
As long as a Christian is not attempting to attack another person then they are not doing nothing wrong. I see no church here in attack mode. I see no problem with it but have not looked deep into this case as well.
QUOTE (Clovis @ May 14 2008, 09:24 PM)
I disagree with churchanddestroy that all church models are based as business models. I have been to some churches where you can tell profit is not on anyone's mind. The Bible also warns us against this.
I also agree with joey that this should not be a problem. The intention is what counts and to sit on the sidelines and claim they are making a business out of it or that they are attempting to steal other church members does not ring true. The first though might be true more truer than the second. If it was only 2 cards and not a weekly thing I see no harm. People just want an excuse to cast stones and point fingers at Christians and that is fine but unless someone is from that church and knows what is going on your opinion is just that...an opinion. This was my humble opinion as well.
As long as a Christian is not attempting to attack another person then they are not doing nothing wrong. I see no church here in attack mode. I see no problem with it but have not looked deep into this case as well.
I also agree with joey that this should not be a problem. The intention is what counts and to sit on the sidelines and claim they are making a business out of it or that they are attempting to steal other church members does not ring true. The first though might be true more truer than the second. If it was only 2 cards and not a weekly thing I see no harm. People just want an excuse to cast stones and point fingers at Christians and that is fine but unless someone is from that church and knows what is going on your opinion is just that...an opinion. This was my humble opinion as well.
As long as a Christian is not attempting to attack another person then they are not doing nothing wrong. I see no church here in attack mode. I see no problem with it but have not looked deep into this case as well.
Physical force is not the only form of attack.
Edit-Attack tactics can also take indirect forms.
QUOTE (Clovis @ May 14 2008, 09:24 PM)
I disagree with churchanddestroy that all church models are based as business models. I have been to some churches where you can tell profit is not on anyone's mind. The Bible also warns us against this.
I also agree with joey that this should not be a problem. The intention is what counts and to sit on the sidelines and claim they are making a business out of it or that they are attempting to steal other church members does not ring true. The first though might be true more truer than the second. If it was only 2 cards and not a weekly thing I see no harm. People just want an excuse to cast stones and point fingers at Christians and that is fine but unless someone is from that church and knows what is going on your opinion is just that...an opinion. This was my humble opinion as well.
As long as a Christian is not attempting to attack another person then they are not doing nothing wrong. I see no church here in attack mode. I see no problem with it but have not looked deep into this case as well.
I also agree with joey that this should not be a problem. The intention is what counts and to sit on the sidelines and claim they are making a business out of it or that they are attempting to steal other church members does not ring true. The first though might be true more truer than the second. If it was only 2 cards and not a weekly thing I see no harm. People just want an excuse to cast stones and point fingers at Christians and that is fine but unless someone is from that church and knows what is going on your opinion is just that...an opinion. This was my humble opinion as well.
As long as a Christian is not attempting to attack another person then they are not doing nothing wrong. I see no church here in attack mode. I see no problem with it but have not looked deep into this case as well.
I certainly wouldn't say that all church models are business oriented, but some of them indeed are. My ultimate point is that from where I am standing, trying to get people into a church using gifts is sort of... shady.
I see your point but we really have to know their intention to say if it is as you claim or just trying to plant a seed as joey claimed. If we knew more about the church we could make a better informed opinion but we would really need to know their true intentions to make the best informed opinion.
The senior pastor seems to answer this when he says, '"Some pastors have questioned our motives," Newman said. "If it was just to get people in the building, it would be wrong. But we want to meet someone's physical need and eternal spiritual needs."
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/shared-gen...Church_Gas.html
On the other hand for a church that has 2,500 active members who attend Sunday services do they really need more people? I am not fond of mega-churches and perhaps do tend to think they should split up into smaller churches just to make the ministry more meaningful. How much can a pastor know about his own church and those who attend when it is that big?
The senior pastor seems to answer this when he says, '"Some pastors have questioned our motives," Newman said. "If it was just to get people in the building, it would be wrong. But we want to meet someone's physical need and eternal spiritual needs."
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/shared-gen...Church_Gas.html
On the other hand for a church that has 2,500 active members who attend Sunday services do they really need more people? I am not fond of mega-churches and perhaps do tend to think they should split up into smaller churches just to make the ministry more meaningful. How much can a pastor know about his own church and those who attend when it is that big?
QUOTE (Clovis @ May 15 2008, 04:56 AM)
I see your point but we really have to know their intention to say if it is as you claim or just trying to plant a seed as joey claimed. If we knew more about the church we could make a better informed opinion but we would really need to know their true intentions to make the best informed opinion.
The senior pastor seems to answer this when he says, '"Some pastors have questioned our motives," Newman said. "If it was just to get people in the building, it would be wrong. But we want to meet someone's physical need and eternal spiritual needs."
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/shared-gen...Church_Gas.html
On the other hand for a church that has 2,500 active members who attend Sunday services do they really need more people? I am not fond of mega-churches and perhaps do tend to think they should split up into smaller churches just to make the ministry more meaningful. How much can a pastor know about his own church and those who attend when it is that big?
The senior pastor seems to answer this when he says, '"Some pastors have questioned our motives," Newman said. "If it was just to get people in the building, it would be wrong. But we want to meet someone's physical need and eternal spiritual needs."
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/shared-gen...Church_Gas.html
On the other hand for a church that has 2,500 active members who attend Sunday services do they really need more people? I am not fond of mega-churches and perhaps do tend to think they should split up into smaller churches just to make the ministry more meaningful. How much can a pastor know about his own church and those who attend when it is that big?
.............<<>> Thats OK 'Clovis'. I only see the heart of God moving here. Who knows maybe some day, we will get to see the fruit from this church. Maybe we will get to see someone in heaven walk up to this same Pastor of this church and say thank you for that revival you had, you know the one where you gave those gas tickets away. It was in that revival God first touch Me with the gospel of Jesus Christ. And later I gave My life to Jesus Christ. 'Clovis' it is just so sad that people can't see what God is doing behind the scenes. In peoples life. I just thank God that He lets Me see things the way He does. And not the way men do. And thanks again for being there for Me. Your Friend....................Joey.
QUOTE (joeycastaneda56 @ May 14 2008, 10:00 PM)
.............<<>> Thats OK 'Clovis'. I only see the heart of God moving here. Who knows maybe some day, we will get to see the fruit from this church. Maybe we will get to see someone in heaven walk up to this same Pastor of this church and say thank you for that revival you had, you know the one where you gave those gas tickets away. It was in that revival God first touch Me with the gospel of Jesus Christ. And later I gave My life to Jesus Christ. 'Clovis' it is just so sad that people can't see what God is doing behind the scenes. In peoples life. I just thank God that He lets Me see things the way He does. And not the way men do. And thanks again for being there for Me. Your Friend....................Joey.
So you're saying you're not a man?
You all miss the point I think though. Dollars to doughnuts, the vast majority of the citizens in this community go to some church. So, this church is NOT trying to win new converts...
They're trying to steal members from other churches in the community. That's pretty tacky don't you think?
They're trying to steal members from other churches in the community. That's pretty tacky don't you think?
QUOTE (MissMelsWell @ May 15 2008, 01:12 AM)
You all miss the point I think though. Dollars to doughnuts, the vast majority of the citizens in this community go to some church. So, this church is NOT trying to win new converts...
They're trying to steal members from other churches in the community. That's pretty tacky don't you think?
They're trying to steal members from other churches in the community. That's pretty tacky don't you think?
It's business.
QUOTE (churchanddestroy @ May 15 2008, 02:19 AM)
You don't have a problem with bribery? Didn't Christ say something about not turning his fathers house into a market place? Personally, were I Christian I would decry this as an abomination. It would be one thing if the gas cards were the prize from a fundraiser, but its an entirely different thing when the material reward comes from actually attending the church. Pfft.
Agreed, it would outrage me too I think it's bad when any religion uses a ploy of sorts to get people to come to thier service's. And to place an Ad for it outside thier church makes it even worse.
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.............<<>> Thats OK 'Clovis'. I only see the heart of God moving here. Who knows maybe some day, we will get to see the fruit from this church. Maybe we will get to see someone in heaven walk up to this same Pastor of this church and say thank you for that revival you had, you know the one where you gave those gas tickets away. It was in that revival God first touch Me with the gospel of Jesus Christ. And later I gave My life to Jesus Christ. 'Clovis' it is just so sad that people can't see what God is doing behind the scenes. In peoples life. I just thank God that He lets Me see things the way He does. And not the way men do. And thanks again for being there for Me. Your Friend....................Joey.
So true joey and I do believe they are just wishing to plant a seed. I hope it does not fall into the wayside. To think that someone might get saved because of this is a joy.
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So you're saying you're not a man?
lol LadyH. And not the way men do is in reference to the world or mankind. Suppose someone not from the type of background we are from would know this type of lingo from your question. A bit humorous so I am glad to find humor in these forums when it comes but I understand the confusion but it is funny to think joey would even be female for a second. You can just sense the 'man of God' in his posts versus how a 'woman of God' posts. Of course what I places in apostrophes are more terms from the church. We do consider ourselves as strangers to the world, foreigners that do not belong on this planet, just passing through. We should still take care of the planet while we are here though.
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Agreed, it would outrage me too I think it's bad when any religion uses a ploy of sorts to get people to come to thier service's. And to place an Ad for it outside thier church makes it even worse.
How is this difference than Pagan Awareness gatherings and donation drives? I mean I find nothing wrong with them but what is the major difference? Just wondering on your thoughts.
QUOTE (Clovis @ May 14 2008, 10:50 PM)
How is this difference than Pagan Awareness gatherings and donation drives? I mean I find nothing wrong with them but what is the major difference? Just wondering on your thoughts.
I think the biggest difference would be that we're not preaching to anyone, nor are we giving anything away at least in this case witht the OP.
Besides we're taking donations for charities. Yes we are offering information to others about what we believe, but no preaching & telling us to believe. Like I said before I would be upset no matter what religion we're talking about.
QUOTE (MissMelsWell @ May 15 2008, 11:45 AM)
Ok, first, I think this is pretty tacky. I'd be utterly mortified if my church did something like that. Of course, they never would.
Second, in reality (you can relax my atheist and pagan friends of the Bible Belt South), they're not gaining NEW converts... they're really just trying to steal members from other churches. That's all.
I've actually been thinking about this a little since reading this thread, and your quote here sums up my thoughts. I was reading a book a while back and in this book there was a pastor (can't recall his name) who was saying that before he got into ministry, he once saw a Church go to the neighbouring suburb and stand outside another Church during Sunday service and handing out leaflets to the parishoners there all saying how great their church on the other side of town was. The funny thing was, they were the same Christian group Second, in reality (you can relax my atheist and pagan friends of the Bible Belt South), they're not gaining NEW converts... they're really just trying to steal members from other churches. That's all.
It was rather saddening to read, truth be told.
QUOTE (churchanddestroy @ May 15 2008, 12:19 PM)
You don't have a problem with bribery? Didn't Christ say something about not turning his fathers house into a market place? Personally, were I Christian I would decry this as an abomination. It would be one thing if the gas cards were the prize from a fundraiser, but its an entirely different thing when the material reward comes from actually attending the church. Pfft.
For the record, as you may have noticed from previous posts, I do disagree with their actions and am quite shocked. However, you cannot today use the "turning his fathers house into a market place" argument. Back when Jesus said this, he was in the Temple at Jerusalem, which was actually believed by the Jews to be the actual dwelling place of God. Since Jesus' death and the tearing of the Temple curtain, God no longer resides in a physical building but in the hearts and minds of those who follow him. A Church building is no more a dwelling place of God than a pub or tennis club is. Therefore, we cannot directly use that part of teh Bible to argue your point. Just a thought,
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I think the biggest difference would be that we're not preaching to anyone, nor are we giving anything away at least in this case witht the OP.
Besides we're taking donations for charities. Yes we are offering information to others about what we believe, but no preaching & telling us to believe. Like I said before I would be upset no matter what religion we're talking about.
Besides we're taking donations for charities. Yes we are offering information to others about what we believe, but no preaching & telling us to believe. Like I said before I would be upset no matter what religion we're talking about.
So just because your disagree with the message or the method it is delivered they do not have the right to try and gain publicity or have people come to a gathering of other worshipers? Just because they are giving away something (two gas cards is it?) and not accepting donations for charity in this case it makes it wrong? No one is forced to go.
QUOTE (Clovis @ May 15 2008, 03:24 AM)
So just because your disagree with the message or the method it is delivered they do not have the right to try and gain publicity or have people come to a gathering of other worshipers? Just because they are giving away something (two gas cards is it?) and not accepting donations for charity in this case it makes it wrong? No one is forced to go.
This church is giving away things and I bet a lot of people probly just go there to win gas and not listen or care about anything else.
I find nothing wrong with advertising a religion or church but this is almost like a bribe. If pagan groups are giving away presents to people who go to their gatherings then thats wrong too but if they are just telling people "hey come to this gathering thingy" then thats okay because the only people who will go are people interested in paganism but with this church people are going in the interest of gas.
QUOTE (Cadetak @ May 15 2008, 07:41 AM)
This church is giving away things and I bet a lot of people probly just go there to win gas and not listen or care about anything else.
I find nothing wrong with advertising a religion or church but this is almost like a bribe. If pagan groups are giving away presents to people who go to their gatherings then thats wrong too but if they are just telling people "hey come to this gathering thingy" then thats okay because the only people who will go are people interested in paganism but with this church people are going in the interest of gas.
I find nothing wrong with advertising a religion or church but this is almost like a bribe. If pagan groups are giving away presents to people who go to their gatherings then thats wrong too but if they are just telling people "hey come to this gathering thingy" then thats okay because the only people who will go are people interested in paganism but with this church people are going in the interest of gas.
Good point!
Bribery is usually only payed to those in power to persuade or affect some outcome. It is also synonymous with corruption. Not what is exactly going on. But I suppose in modern parlance the word has lost somewhat of its original meaning.
This here though might really make some of the anti-religious crowd cry foul perhaps? The State of Georgie passed a resolution honoring the church in question. Maybe they have politicians attending? Here are parts of Senate Resolution 676.
http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08...ltext/sr676.htm
This here though might really make some of the anti-religious crowd cry foul perhaps? The State of Georgie passed a resolution honoring the church in question. Maybe they have politicians attending? Here are parts of Senate Resolution 676.
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Honoring the First Baptist Church of Snellville on its 125th Anniversary; and for other purposes.
WHEREAS, as a nation united under God, the religious institutions in our country have performed a historical role in setting standards for moral values, charity to those less fortunate, and worship of God; and
WHEREAS, the First Baptist Church of Snellville, Georgia, was formally organized on August 12, 1882, with seven loving charter members whose purpose was to preach the Gospel of the Son of God and to uplift humanity; and
WHEREAS, as a nation united under God, the religious institutions in our country have performed a historical role in setting standards for moral values, charity to those less fortunate, and worship of God; and
WHEREAS, the First Baptist Church of Snellville, Georgia, was formally organized on August 12, 1882, with seven loving charter members whose purpose was to preach the Gospel of the Son of God and to uplift humanity; and
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WHEREAS, the strong spiritual and devoted leaders of the church including its 21 pastors have led the faithful and hard working congregation through a tremendous history of expansion and service to the community and this ministry continues to grow as the church celebrated the ground-breaking for its new Children's Ministry on March 25, 2007; and
WHEREAS, the church has had a positive impact not only on its community, but on the world, providing support for local, state, national, and international missions; and
WHEREAS, the devoted congregation of this church has established an unparalleled record of constructive, compassionate, and humanitarian service, and the church now offers a broad range of religious programs for people of all ages while continuing to serve as a beacon of light and a ray of spiritual hope; and
WHEREAS, the church has had a positive impact not only on its community, but on the world, providing support for local, state, national, and international missions; and
WHEREAS, the devoted congregation of this church has established an unparalleled record of constructive, compassionate, and humanitarian service, and the church now offers a broad range of religious programs for people of all ages while continuing to serve as a beacon of light and a ray of spiritual hope; and
http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08...ltext/sr676.htm
QUOTE (LadyHay @ May 15 2008, 06:12 AM)
So you're saying you're not a man?
............<<>> I am not a man. I am a caveman. If people would study the Holy Bible/The Word of God. They would find the mind of God...........Joey.
If this church really wanted to do good to relieve people's stress over rising gas prices.... they'd give away bus passes or a new bike along with an environmental campaign, instead of a membership drive. That I can kind of get on board with. LOL. But gas? That's just a temporary fix.
The reality is that they're not trying for new converts, they're trying to jack up their membership by lureing people from other churches. Silly people.
The reality is that they're not trying for new converts, they're trying to jack up their membership by lureing people from other churches. Silly people.
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ May 14 2008, 02:58 AM)
SNELLVILLE, Ga. -- In an attempt to draw in new members, a church in Snellville set up a sign that read "Free Gasoline."
The offer is a not a giveaway. Instead, each time newcomers or members attend a church event during a Sunday-to-Wednesday revival they get a pink raffle ticket for a chance to win one of two $500 gas cards.
"We don't know how far it will go with these soaring prices," said Rusty Newman, the church's senior pastor. "But it may make someone's night."
They set up a sign advertising the offer outside the church's parking lot on a busy road near downtown Snellville, a traffic-clogged suburb northeast of Atlanta. How can we capture those people?" asked James Lee, the church's minister to seniors, who came up with the idea. "We're strong in door-to-door evangelism, but there's no way to reach them all."
Soon after the church posted the sign, the calls came flooding in.
Enough inquiries came pouring in that Newman had to order a new phone line and dedicate a receptionist to answering each one.
Radio show hosts in Oregon caught wind of the idea and invited Newman on air.
Newman views it as a service to the community, and he's looked to the Bible for his endorsement. One passage he mentions to support his idea involves Jesus feeding 5,000 with a few loaves of bread and a couple of fish.
"Some pastors have questioned our motives," Newman said. "If it was just to get people in the building, it would be wrong. But we want to meet someone's physical need and eternal spiritual needs."
http://www.cbs46.com/gwinnettnews/16253418/detail.html
Anyone besides me have a problem with this?
The offer is a not a giveaway. Instead, each time newcomers or members attend a church event during a Sunday-to-Wednesday revival they get a pink raffle ticket for a chance to win one of two $500 gas cards.
"We don't know how far it will go with these soaring prices," said Rusty Newman, the church's senior pastor. "But it may make someone's night."
They set up a sign advertising the offer outside the church's parking lot on a busy road near downtown Snellville, a traffic-clogged suburb northeast of Atlanta. How can we capture those people?" asked James Lee, the church's minister to seniors, who came up with the idea. "We're strong in door-to-door evangelism, but there's no way to reach them all."
Soon after the church posted the sign, the calls came flooding in.
Enough inquiries came pouring in that Newman had to order a new phone line and dedicate a receptionist to answering each one.
Radio show hosts in Oregon caught wind of the idea and invited Newman on air.
Newman views it as a service to the community, and he's looked to the Bible for his endorsement. One passage he mentions to support his idea involves Jesus feeding 5,000 with a few loaves of bread and a couple of fish.
"Some pastors have questioned our motives," Newman said. "If it was just to get people in the building, it would be wrong. But we want to meet someone's physical need and eternal spiritual needs."
http://www.cbs46.com/gwinnettnews/16253418/detail.html
Anyone besides me have a problem with this?
When you beleive that your path is the only path to salvation as most religions beleive resepctively, this is to be expected...
christians and the catholics are big on this, I understand its cheap advertisement ..
How omniish is this diety if one has to pimp for the lord ????
QUOTE (Clovis @ May 15 2008, 04:57 AM)
Bribery is usually only payed to those in power to persuade or affect some outcome. It is also synonymous with corruption. Not what is exactly going on. But I suppose in modern parlance the word has lost somewhat of its original meaning.
Not necessarily. A bribe means using a gift or money to get someone, anyone in particular, to do what you ask of them. Yes, it usually does involve people in power, but it doesn't always.
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This here though might really make some of the anti-religious crowd cry foul perhaps? The State of Georgie passed a resolution honoring the church in question. Maybe they have politicians attending? Here are parts of Senate Resolution 676.
Not surprising coming from Georgia. A nation united under God? I just thought we were a United Nation, under whatever each individual constituent chooses to believe, God or No.
QUOTE (Supra Sheri @ May 15 2008, 11:27 AM)
When you beleive that your path is the only path to salvation as most religions beleive resepctively, this is to be expected...
christians and the catholics are big on this, I understand its cheap advertisement ..
christians and the catholics are big on this, I understand its cheap advertisement ..
One might observe this in particular on the Trinity Broadcasting Station and the 700 Club... "send your money now
sigh, ::shakes head::QUOTE
How omniish is this diety if one has to pimp for the lord ????
Ouch! Ha ha ha.
QUOTE (churchanddestroy @ May 15 2008, 09:38 AM)
One might observe this in particular on the Trinity Broadcasting Station and the 700 Club... "send your money now because God said so because, um, we need it to keep the church going, yeah..." sigh, ::shakes head::
Ouch! Ha ha ha.
sigh, ::shakes head::Ouch! Ha ha ha.
ha ha ha ha....My philososphy proffessor shared a story of just such a radio station who was selling autographed photos of jesus in those days for a dollar for the same reason .. the funny part to me is the phones rang off the hook...oy vey...
My only real problem with it is they don't say that its a raffle that happens once a month all it says is "free gasoline" which if the average Joe was walking down the street and saw that he would assume that he'll get free gas, not have to attend church for a month just to wait for a raffle that he might not win...for me that seems more like a ploy to get people in for that month...
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