inkblot
May 14 2008, 09:13 PM
No.
Some people on here make incoherent posts about how everything is created in your mind, and since psi is formed by your mind, it's real. NOT EVERYTHING YOU SEE OR FEEL EXISTS. Just because your mind "feels" a psi-ball doesn't mean it's there.
And even though...man, I wish I was articulate enough to explain this properly. And even though everything you see is formed by your mind, that doesn't mean that nothing is real.
bleedingelite
May 14 2008, 09:28 PM
Reality is already there, but the mind is in charge of how your perceive it.
Asteroth
May 14 2008, 09:31 PM
Let me get this straight, my mind creates it's own reality? I find it utterly insane, but before I give a this-is-absolutly-ridiculous-rant, can someone who believes this come in and explain it all.
Walks in Snow
May 14 2008, 09:46 PM
I create my own reality and even though it may not manifest itself as quickly as I would sometimes like, it does never the less with no exceptions. I do however have to keep it real...lets say I envision myself winning the lottery...I need to buy a ticket!
cladking
May 15 2008, 05:09 AM
Effectively.
Reality is independent of the mind but people's perceptions are reality to them. Everyone's perceptions are somewhat at odds with reality but when the divergence becomes too great or too obvious then we say they are mad.
mysticfog
May 15 2008, 06:02 PM
QUOTE (cladking @ May 15 2008, 06:09 AM)

Effectively. Reality is independent of the mind but people's perceptions are reality to them. Everyone's perceptions are somewhat at odds with reality but when the divergence becomes too great or too obvious then we say they are mad.
I would say that is about right.
There are as many realities as there are people. I like the way Adam from Mythbusters says it:
"I reject your reality and substitute my own".
bleedingelite
May 15 2008, 06:14 PM
QUOTE (mysticfog @ May 15 2008, 02:02 PM)

I would say that is about right.
There are as many realities as there are people. I like the way Adam from Mythbusters says it:
"I reject your reality and substitute my own". 
YEah, it's easy to say that kind of stuff, but when I see a man rubbing his own feces into a gas station wall and mumbling about "killing the demons," I'm going to call the cops. He can explain to them about his personal reality.
John A Spera
May 15 2008, 07:24 PM
So we have two issues. Reality and reality perception.
For any person, their reality perception can become their reality. The more they buy into it, the more real it becomes to them.
Another view is that the energy of a person's reality perception actually has an effect on their reality. Their thoughts and perceptions generate enough energy to alter a given reality. Its the mind over matter concept.
As I see it there is truth in both views. At some point the mind over matter concept is valid and at some other point it is not, it is wishful thinking or unbalanced delusions.
John
mysticfog
May 16 2008, 12:02 AM
QUOTE (bleedingelite @ May 15 2008, 07:14 PM)

YEah, it's easy to say that kind of stuff, but when I see a man rubbing his own feces into a gas station wall and mumbling about "killing the demons," I'm going to call the cops. He can explain to them about his personal reality.

What an odd reaction to my post. I can't begin to imagine why it evoked the disturbing imagery in yours.
manandmachine
May 16 2008, 12:11 AM
If you think it it becomes real,
cladking
May 16 2008, 06:00 AM
QUOTE (John A Spera @ May 15 2008, 02:24 PM)

So we have two issues. Reality and reality perception.
For any person, their reality perception can become their reality. The more they buy into it, the more real it becomes to them.
Another view is that the energy of a person's reality perception actually has an effect on their reality. Their thoughts and perceptions generate enough energy to alter a given reality. Its the mind over matter concept.
As I see it there is truth in both views. At some point the mind over matter concept is valid and at some other point it is not, it is wishful thinking or unbalanced delusions.
John
This isn't quite the way I see it. In the first case a person's perception is his reality. It doesn't matter if this perception is based in reality or not, for him his perception, his perspective is the reality. It is possible to step outside of this and analyze one's perceptions but it's not as easy to change them so long as we maintain the same premises.
Be this as it may, there might well be some truth to the concept that our perceptions influence reality. But this is usually caused by our actions not our minds.
Tiggs
May 16 2008, 06:16 AM
Your personal reality is governed by your perception.
Sanity is defined as the perception of reality that most people agree on.
Actual Reality - it's impossible to know what that is.
Sporkling
May 16 2008, 06:18 AM
The mind does create its own reality. And it is where psychic stems from. Beliefs something strengthens something. And it becomes real.
=Jak=
May 16 2008, 06:28 AM
I think this will help you to explain others what exactly you mean...
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=WvVfcyVCdNA&...feature=related
megashredder
May 16 2008, 09:45 AM
Being a Scientologist I have the ability to create new and better realities for myself.
Sporkling
May 16 2008, 09:46 AM
QUOTE (megashredder @ May 16 2008, 05:45 PM)

Being a Scientologist I have the ability to create new and better realities for myself.
How wonderful for you.
Any other person can do that too i'm sure
mysticfog
May 16 2008, 11:33 AM
QUOTE (megashredder @ May 16 2008, 10:45 AM)

Being a Scientologist I have the ability to create new and better realities for myself.
Providing it's LRH approved of course.
xCrimsonx
May 16 2008, 12:12 PM
Depends on how deep you, your brain will take you and theres common knowledge as well to contend with. Morals etc. Many can place themselves in an ultered state etc. State of reality is what we see when we open our eyes.
The minds reality is what we make it.
Psychic abilites are something in its own. But...... I say we channel bother reality and Psychic very much in the same way.
cladking
May 16 2008, 03:31 PM
QUOTE (Tiggs @ May 16 2008, 01:16 AM)

Sanity is defined as the perception of reality that most people agree on.
This is true only from a social perspective and there's no entity at its focus.
Whole societies can and usually do go quite mad and destroy themselves. It
would be easy to maintain that a blind adherance to the status quo in the face
of changing conditions is a form of insanity yet all cultures do this. Failing this
many cultures have chosen to burn their witches or some of their most produc-
tive citizens. They've engaged in civil war over trivial religious matters.
Our kinship, both individually and collectively, with reality is not nearly so close
as most believe.
cladking
May 16 2008, 03:38 PM
It really should be pointed out that reality itself is temporal, ephemeral, and unknowable. Sure, the concrete is much easier and usually less open to question but how nature and man affect one another is just as much reality as the concrete and far less understandable. Often the best knowledge, clarity, and understanding of reality means a decision might still come down to the toss of a coin.
One weighs the knowledge he has and acts accordingly but there is often little guidance from knowledge, experience, intuition, or even blind superstition.
bleedingelite
May 16 2008, 03:55 PM
Yeah yeah, we all know that reality is a slippery subject. The more we uncover with science, the more complex reality becomes, and the harder to understand.
But it is a simple fact that reality is reality. There are, of course, strange happenings involving perception and quantum reality, and our own perceptions definitely affect our psychological makeup, which then goes to affect our lives. But, for the most part, this is the world, and you're stuck in it.
If you jump, you're going to land shortly after...no matter how strongly you think otherwise.
If your heart is removed from your body, you're going to die.
If you walk into a bank and shoot somebody and demand the money, the police are going to do their best to arrest you, no matter what.
If you see a giant red demon in front of you, you're hallucinating.
There are no hidden wizarding schools, no elves hiding in your walls, no unicorns waiting for you to find them in a wooded area, no invisible audience watching and narrating your life. Remember, it's called escapism for a reason.
jasmine_flower
May 16 2008, 09:29 PM
So how are we supposed to know what is real and what is not? My uncle used to know this man who said he had 3 little men that dangled on strings in front of his face. So if we reality is just what we perceive, then how do we know that those little men, or in fact anything that psychos see we accept as "crazy", isn't real? Those "psychos" just have their minds tuned, like a radio kinda, different than ours so they perceive things........ better? or worse?
That kinda scares me....
cladking
May 16 2008, 10:24 PM
QUOTE (jasmine_flower @ May 16 2008, 04:29 PM)

So how are we supposed to know what is real and what is not? My uncle used to know this man who said he had 3 little men that dangled on strings in front of his face. So if we reality is just what we perceive, then how do we know that those little men, or in fact anything that psychos see we accept as "crazy", isn't real? Those "psychos" just have their minds tuned, like a radio kinda, different than ours so they perceive things........ better? or worse?
That kinda scares me....
One has his reason, knowledge and experience.
My guess is that when you start seeing things you know can't be there
then you have a screw loose. It might be some minor screw if the things
are minor but it may well be a very important screw if you're talking to pixies.
Not to worry though, they can often be tightened up and even if they can't then
it should at least be entertaining. Just try not to expect them to help when you
jump off a tall building.
somekindlunatic
May 18 2008, 11:53 PM
Yes and No
There is only one reality.
reality according to webster:
1: the quality or state of being real
2 a (1): a real event, entity, or state of affairs 2): the totality of real things and events
Your mind is a part of the current state, as are the effects of everything that has ever happened.
The totality of all things real create reality, your thoughts are real. I defy anyone to think a thought that is not a real thought.
You can think about an "unreal" thing but do you know the extent of what actually exists? In the whole, wide universe?
inkblot
May 29 2008, 02:57 AM
There is an objective reality. What you see, hear and feel is based on that objective reality. And it's a one-way street. Reality affects your senses, but not the other way around. You can't see a chair in your mind and have the chair suddenly pop up in the real world. That's what I was trying to say before.
The Mule
May 29 2008, 03:01 AM
People tell me I have my own reality.....nothing pyschic about it....pyschotic maybe.....
=Jak=
May 29 2008, 04:15 AM
QUOTE (inkblot @ May 29 2008, 08:27 AM)

There is an objective reality. What you see, hear and feel is based on that objective reality. And it's a one-way street. Reality affects your senses, but not the other way around. You can't see a chair in your mind and have the chair suddenly pop up in the real world. That's what I was trying to say before.
Ok You mean the other way..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMdQ2pB7RI4...feature=related
ChzM
May 29 2008, 04:54 AM
QUOTE (Tiggs @ May 16 2008, 02:16 AM)

Your personal reality is governed by your perception.
Sanity is defined as the perception of reality that most people agree on.
Actual Reality - it's impossible to know what that is.
Right on.
I wish more people thought like this.
AllP0werToSlaves
May 29 2008, 05:59 AM
This thread got confusing.
wewhodream
Jun 21 2008, 12:30 PM
"There is constant creation. There is within you a force that knew how to grow you from a fetus to a grown adult. This force is part of the innate knowledge within all consciousness, and it is a part of the God within you." --The Seth Material, pg 246. (New Awareness Network.)
Mind forms matter. The "I" that I think I am, sits and types. Part of me is literally forming everything in this room. If my wife came in, she then would form her own version of the room. So quite literally, there would be two rooms. Now in deeper terms, our physical objects do not exist, but since we believe they (thus the world and its attendant stars) do exist, we see them. The deeper part of us knows all this, but the outer portion, (ego) does not understand, for it demands to be autonomous, wholly independent, sovereign. None of this means that we are the creators of the universe, but that we forgot who and what we actually are...as Seth says, "You are gods in chemical clothes."
The Seth Books, by Jane Roberts are in my opinion, the best source for understanding this subject. I would begin with the first three: The Seth Material, Seth Speaks, and The Nature of Personal Reality.
wewhodream
Jun 21 2008, 12:49 PM
[quote name='inkblot' date='May 14 2008, 10:13 PM' post='2299361']
No.
Some people on here make incoherent posts about how everything is created in your mind, and since psi is formed by your mind, it's real. NOT EVERYTHING YOU SEE OR FEEL EXISTS. Just because your mind "feels" a psi-ball doesn't mean it's there.
And even though...man, I wish I was articulate enough to explain this properly. And even though everything you see is formed by your mind, that doesn't mean that nothing is real.
[/quote
We are forming images and calling them "reality". The images (physicality as a whole) are unreal, but the power that forms them is eternally real. I think of it in terms of a movie. The images on the screen (in our terms) are unreal, but the technology that brought the images to the screen is real. We are not creating reality itself. We are making images. We forgot that we make images. This forgetting leads to much confusion. If we think too much about it, formulate opinions and conjecture, we become even more confused...in other words, I suggest we think less, and be more.
John A Spera
Jun 21 2008, 02:54 PM
QUOTE (wewhodream @ Jun 21 2008, 08:30 AM)

The Seth Books, by Jane Roberts are in my opinion, the best source for understanding this subject. I would begin with the first three: The Seth Material, Seth Speaks, and The Nature of Personal Reality.
If you like to read channeled material, these two links may be of interest to you.
http://www.kryon.com/k_25.htmlhttp://www.reconnections.net/index2.htm
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