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ADbox
Hey guys,

I found this on an forum that I used to visit. I am reading it and have read a good bit of it. This material is is some of the best mystic/metaphysical/gnostic literature I have ever read. It is posted as an "Explanation of the Biblical Gospel of John Revealed by the Lord Jesus to His prophet Jakob Lorber from 1840 – 1865 by the “inner word” dictation "

In total there is over 4000 pages of written material and allot of it IS provided on digital format. In order to read it and take it in for what it's worth; I recommend using a text to voice software. It is awkward to get used too but I've grown really fond of the narrator's voice.

http://www.readplease.com/
This is the software I use.
I HIGHLY recommend trying it out to read the series I'll post.

Begin:


Chapter 1
Spiritual interpretation of the introductory words
of the biblical gospel of John. [John 1, 1-5]
1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1. This verse has already been the subject of a great many misrepresentations and interpretations;
yes, even atheists have made use of this very text to dispute My Deity all the more surely since they
in general denied the existence of the Deity. However, we are not going to once again present such
false concepts whereby the confusion would only be increased, but shall bring light into the matter
with the shortest possible explanation. This as itself light within the primordial light will
automatically fight and conquer all misconceptions.
2. A main reason why such texts are not understood is unfortunately the very poor and incorrect
translation of the Scriptures from the original tongue into the tongues of the present time; but this is
for the best. For if the inner meaning of such texts were not hidden as well as it is, that which is
holiest therein would long since have been utterly desecrated which would be disastrous for the
entire earth. As things are, however, only the outer shell has been marred while the hallowed life
has been preserved.
3. The time has come to show the true inner meaning of such texts to all who are worthy of
participating in this knowledge, abut the unworthy will have to pay dearly, for in these things I will
not be trifled with and I shall never take part in a trade.
4. Now the explanation shall follow this necessary prelude, but I will still add that here only the
inner meaning pertaining to soul and spirit is to be understood and not the innermost, purest
heavenly meaning. This is too holy and can be bestowed only on those in the world without harm
who seek it through living their life in accordance with the precepts of the Gospel. But the inner
meaning pertaining to the soul and spirit may easily be found, sometimes already b y means of the
correct translation in the respective vernacular of the time, which shall become evident in the
explanation of the first verse.

Source.
ADbox
Chapter 2
John the Baptist bears witness to the Lord. [John 1, 6-13]
6. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
1. This man, who preached repentance by the Jordan and baptised the converted with water, was
called John. In this man dwelt the spirit of the prophet Elias, and this was the same angel spirit who
in the very beginning defeated Lucifer and later on the noted mountain wrestled with Lucifer for
the body of Moses (as Michael).
7. The same came for a witness (from above) to bear witness of the light that all men
(benighted men) through him might believe (i.e. through his light might recognise the
primordial light that had come to them).
2. This one came as an old as well as a new witness from above, that is, from the primordial light as
a light that he might bear witness to the primordial light, of the primal essence of God, who now
took on the flesh Himself and in the full likeness of the human form, Himself as a man, came to His
human being, who are out of Him, in order to once more illuminate them in their night, thereby to
return them to His primordial light.
8. He was not that light (out of himself), but was sent to bear witness to that light (that is, he
bore witness to men’s benighted feeling of exaltation that now the primordial light Himself
had descended from His eternal height to men as a lamb in humility to voluntarily take all
their weaknesses (sins) upon Himself thereby to give back to men the original light and make
them His equals).

Source.
Clovis
Huge post and I will try to read it later but just wanted to comment briefly on the title. 001 usually denotes remedial classes under the college level while 101 refers to higher level education. Kinda makes me feel remedialish just clicking on this thread lol

As far as the title of the works you are posting it makes me highly suspicious that someone has more knowledge that others do not have in the Bible. I have faith in God that He would not do that and make His message through the Word, through prayer, and the Spirit, as highly accessible as possible in every language, translation, and revision.

The following scripture is in reference to prophecy but I can see it applies to the Word in general since the Word is easier to understand than some prophecies are.

QUOTE
2 Peter 1:20 knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation.


I did read the part that said 'In the beginning' and one of our avid posters by the name of will knows Hebrew and explained that it should properly and better read 'In a beginning'. I will try and read the rest of this and give your post its due.
ADbox
The series I plan to post really is some of the best mystic/metaphysical/gnostic literature I have ever read. In total there is over 4000 pages of written material and allot of it IS provided on digital format. In order to read it and take it in for what it's worth; I reccomend using a text to voice software. It is awkward to get used too but I've grown really fond of the narroator's voice.

http://www.readplease.com/
This is the software I use.
I HIGHLY recommend trying it out to read the series I'll post.
ADbox
Chapter 3

Toward spiritual rebirth; first and second grace. [John 1, 14-16]

14. And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, a glory as of the
only begotten Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.
1. Once man in this way attains to the true sonship of God into which he is as if born of God, the
Father or the love within God, he attains to the glory of the primordial light in God which actually
is the divine primal essence Itself. This essence is the actual Son begotten of the Father just as the
light rests latent within the warmth of love, as long as love does not stir it up and radiate it out of
itself. Thus this holy light is actually the glory of the Son from the Father which is attained by
everyone who is reborn and becomes equal to this glory, which is forever full of grace (God’s light)
and truth, as the true reality or the incarnated word. --
15. John bears witness to Him, and cries, saying, ‘This was the One of whom I said; After me
will come the One who has been before me, for He was there before I was.’
2. To this again John bears true witness and immediately after the baptism in the river Jordan - in
order to give Him a worthy reception - he draws people’s attention to the fact that the one whom he
had just baptised is He of whom he had spoken to the people all the time during his sermons on
repentance, that He who would come after him (John) had been before him. In a deeper sense this
means as much as; This is the original fundamental light and First Cause of all light and existence
that preceded all existence, and all that exists had come forth from it.
16. And of His fullness we have all received grace upon grace.
3. This primordial light, however, is also the eternally great glory in God, and God Himself is this
glory; this glory was from eternity God Himself within God, and all being have received their
existence and their light and independent life from the fullness of this glory.
4. Thus all life is a grace of God filling the life-bearing form through and through. Because in itself
it is the same glory of God, the primal life in every human being is a FIRST GRACE of God, but
this had been harmed by the weakening of the feeling of exaltation by the lowly feeling of coming
into existence and the thereby resulting inevitable dependence on the primordial light and First
Cause of all existence.
5. Since this first grace within man was in danger of being completely lost the primordial light itself
came into the world and taught people to once more leave this first grace to the primordial light or
rather to completely return into this primal existence there to receive a new life for the old light.
And this exchange is the RECEIVING OF GRACE UPON GRACE or the giving away of the old,
weakened, quite useless life for anew, imperishable life in and from god in all fullness.
6. The first grace was necessity in which there is neither freedom nor permanence. But the second
grace is complete freedom without any compulsion and, therefore, since not urged or coerced by
anything also forever indestructible. For where there is no enemy, there is also no destruction. By
enemy is to be understood all that in any way impedes a free existence.

Source.
ADbox
Chapter 4

About the law, judgement, grace and salvation. [John 1, 17,18]

17. For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
1. The law had to be given to the first life, namely, in the beginning already to the first man in the
course of things through Moses who in this verse is also mentioned as a representative of the law.
But since the law is an impediment rather than a furthering of life, no one could ever gain the true
freedom of life through the law.
2. The first ideas of creation were placed in an isolated as if independent existence by a positive
‘must’ from the immutable will of the primordial might. Therefore, as concerns the separation and
forming of the existence limited by space and time, this was accomplished by an immutable ‘must’.
3. Now the entity, man, was there, in his inner being to a certain degree the Deity Itself or, which is
the same, the primal essence of God, only separated from his First Cause, although conscious of it,
but still bound in a limited form and restrained by an immutable ‘must’. The thus placed entity did
not relish this state, and his feeling of exaltation came into a mighty conflict with his inevitable
limitation and separation.S
4. Since in the very first line of beings the conflict kept growing in intensity, the great fundamental
law had to be tightened to hold the beings temporarily in a firm judgement which consisted in the
manifestation of the material, solid globes and the thereby effected greater division of the
primordial beings.
5. In the second line of beings man appears, clothed in the flesh, standing on the ground of his first
judgement. Notwithstanding his now threefold separation from his First Cause, he still soon
recognised Him again within himself and became defiant, arrogant and disobedient to a mild law,
no longer given with a ‘must’, but only a ‘you shall’.
6. But because he refused to submit to this mild ‘you shall’, he was given a more severe and
mightily sanctioned law, and the sanction promptly effected when this second ‘shall’ was
disregarded (see the deluge and similar cataclysms!)S
7. After this disciplining the Divine Being descended to the earth in Melchisedec and guided men,
but they soon began once more to fight and had to be bound through new laws and returned to
order, so that they were left with only a kind of mechanical movement limiting all their inclination.
8. Thus through the law a wide gulf had been created and no spirit or entity was able to leap across
it. This is caused the prospect and the inner awareness of an eternal existence of the inner, thus
considerably limited, life to become seriously doubted.
9. Following this limitation the divine primordial being then appears in its own fullness, namely, in
the person of Christ.
10. Thus the original grace returns once more, takes all the weaknesses of the human life upon
Himself, giving men a new grace, a new life full of true light and showing them in this light and
through His example the right way and the true purpose of their existence.
18. No one has ever seen God; but the Son within the Father’s Bosom, He has made Him
known.
11. Only now those who recognised Him obtained true knowledge of God and were for the first
time able to see and recognise God - whom previously no being could ever see in His fullness -
beside and outside of them and through Him also themselves and the freest destination of their own
life.
12. And now also the insurmountable gulf that had been created through the law was once more
abolished and every man could and can now at any time free himself from the burden of the law, if
he exchanges his old nature for the new one out of Christ, wherefore it is also said that one should
put off the old man and put on the new one. Or, Who loves the old life will lose it, but who flees it
shall receive it as a new one. That is the annunciation from the bosom of the Father and the living
Gospel of God.
13. The phrase, however, ‘Who is in the bosom of the Father’ , means as much as, ‘the primordial
wisdom of God or the actual innermost essence of God is within love just as light dwells in
warmth, originally arises and goes forth from the love of mighty warmth and, finally, by its
existence again creates warmth and this again always light. In the same way from love, which is
equal to the Father and basically the Father Himself, goes forth the light of divine Wisdom, which
is equal to the Son or the actual Son Himself, who is not two, but fully one with what is called
‘Father’, just as light and warmth or warmth and light are one, since warmth keeps producing light
and light keeps producing warmth.
Near Bethabara

Source.
ADbox
Chapter 5

John the Baptist’s testimony of himself and the Lord.
[John 1, 19-30]

19. And this is the testimony which John gave to the Jews when they sent priests and Levites
from Jerusalem to ask him, ‘Who are you?’

1. This verse deals with a purely external fact and therefore has no deeper meaning. Just one thing
can be plainly understood from this mission, that at this time the feeling of exaltation of the Jews
began to sense already that the primordial light or the primordial life of God was beginning to draw
close to men on earth and would already have to be on earth; and it presumed that this primordial
life of all life might be dwelling within John and he be the promised Messiah.
2. That is why - due to the above mentioned assumption rather than John’s reputation as a preacher
- they sent emissaries to ask him who he was, whether the Christ or Elias or another prophet.
20. And he confessed, and did not deny it, saying, ‘ I am not the Christ, the promised
Messiah.’
21. But they went on asking, ‘What then? Are you Elias?’ And he said, ‘I am not.’ - And they
asked, ‘Are you a prophet?’ - He replied, ‘No!’
3. The reason why they asked John whether he was either Elias or another new prophet was the fact
that their prophetic Scriptures stated that Elias would be the forerunner of the promised Messiah
and prepare all Israel for the great advent of the Messiah! - Besides, at that time also other prophets
would be appearing who, too, would precede the Messiah as heralds. This was known to the
emissaries from Jerusalem who were well versed in the Scriptures and so they asked John all these
question; but he confessed that he was none of these.
22. Then they said to him, ‘Then who are you, that we may give an answer to those who sent
us? What do you say of yourself?’
4. Thus they had to continue asking him, who he actually was.
23. John said, ‘I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, preparing the way for the Lord,
as predicted by the Prophet Isaiah.’
5. Whereupon John confessed that he was but a crier in the wilderness preparing the way for the
Lord, as predicted by Isaiah.

Source.
Saru
Just a reminder here:
QUOTE
2j. Preaching: Do not promote or push religious beliefs on to others, we have visitors from all over the world of many different faiths and we ask that all beliefs be respected. Using the site to preach to, convert other members or to 'advertise' a belief system is disallowed, this board is about letting people decide for themselves what to believe.


This thread so far contains only excerpts from the bible which doesn't really constitute a discussion, what aspect of these passages are you looking to discuss ?
ADbox
QUOTE (Saru @ May 15 2008, 06:13 PM) *
Just a reminder here:


This thread so far contains only excerpts from the bible which doesn't really constitute a discussion, what aspect of these passages are you looking to discuss ?:

"2j. Preaching: Do not promote or push religious beliefs on to others, we have visitors from all over the world of many different faiths and we ask that all beliefs be respected. Using the site to preach to, convert other members or to 'advertise' a belief system is disallowed, this board is about letting people decide for themselves what to believe."



This thread is not for promotion but for distribution. Though I do personally promote it because i have read it and enjoy it. There is no preaching involved and certainly no pushing.
The material does have excerpts from the bible but is not the bible itself, but quotes the bible and then a discussion ensues.




I'd like to know people's response to the text, if they like it or if they don't. What and why. Allot of people will skip the text because it's too long to read. More than anything I am providing interesting material the webforum because I really like it myself, and want to redistribute it because it is scarsley found on other parts of the internet. It has also gained allot of attention on the other forum, but the other forum is small time compared to um, and I know that there are spiritual enthusiast who would like to read this material that hang out at UM, (me being one of them!).
EtuMalku
What was the question again?
Saru
QUOTE
The material does have excerpts from the bible but is not the bible itself, but quotes the bible and then a discussion ensues.

You will need to include a source citation though for copyright reasons so we know where it originated, if you copy and paste material that you didn't write without providing a source then it constitutes plagiarism.

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I'd like to know people's response to the text, if they like it or if they don't.

That should be fine, but it's best to state that right from the start so it's clear why you are posting it. thumbsup.gif
EtuMalku
I see now.
From what I read it seems like a pretty good argument for John the Baptist in favor of the Gnostics.
There are those that would argue that John was the actual Messiah.
Saru
The source of this material is this site.

I think you've pasted enough of it now, if anyone wants to view the rest they can visit the link.
ADbox
No, I recommend using this website to continue the reading:
http://forums.onlytherightanswers.com/viewforum.php?f=26

There is is all nicely formated and more easily available.

--but regrettably, such a small portion of the text was pasted into this thread that it hasnt seen but a tiny bit of the best parts. Hope you guys enjoy and see you around later!
Adbox
Omnaka
QUOTE (ADbox @ May 16 2008, 11:03 PM) *
No, I recommend using this website to continue the reading:
http://forums.onlytherightanswers.com/viewforum.php?f=26

There is is all nicely formated and more easily available.

--but regrettably, such a small portion of the text was pasted into this thread that it hasnt seen but a tiny bit of the best parts. Hope you guys enjoy and see you around later!
Adbox

Hi Ad box, I was enjoying very much the reading, wwithout dialogue, I was wondering when the site was going to be put up, Since an administrator did it i Gues its Ok and not advertising.

Thanks again for Posting this Info.

Love Omnaka
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