I am not sure if this is in the correct place... But does anyone else believe in a predetermined fate... your life's actions and even your death are set in motion before you even are born... Recently I've had feelings that my life has been set in motion... my friends and I all have dreams with the same outcome most of us dying and we're all involved in the others. While it is true that these could be from one telling the other... We didn't tell each other until recently we merely shook it off as nightmares. I am starting to believe that the dreams are telling us of our deaths. Odd thing is in the end it is always the same last two people standing... one glowing white the other glowing black. Would this have some meaning?

Very interesting experience, Keo. It's said that even Abraham Lincoln had a dream about his own death, and we all know how that turned out. Perhaps those dreams are of your death, but perhaps they are not. Dreams are the subconscious mind's way to communicate with the conscious part and work through problems/deal with stress. So, the death could be symbolic (i.e. "dying" as in old habits) or it could be literal. I cannot say which it is, because I'm not the one having the dream, and all minds filter symbolic things differently. The fact that several people have had the same dream is very curious though. As for the ending of the dream, all I have to say is not all that is dark is evil, and not all that is light is good. "Not all the glitters is gold", you could say.

i beleive before we are bourn there is a path determined that will be the most effecient route to learning from what you came here to experience. thats not to say we have to stick to this path or have no way of avoiding it, we still have free will. this is why guides are by everyones side to nudge you towards your path when you veer off. guides can only put thoughts in your mind it is up to you if they are acted upon. this is reason for the shephard reference in the bible, shepards guide their sheep from harm towards the best nourishment.

as for the dreams lady o previously stated it is your subconscious speaking with your conscious. the best person to interpret your dreams is you. when i have vivid dreams i look at the situation metaphorically and if i know the people and my relationship with them i can usually get some sort of meaning out of it. your friends sharing your dreams is very interesting. there would be books out there that could help you interpret your dreams. their is even dream interpreters that could lend a hand.

peace

I don't believe in free will , but think it's an illusion. it allows us to live the human experience that we need spiritually ( why we need it is beyond me) If God is all knowing, all powerful , all everything. If there is a plan and a purpose then all of it , every last speck of it , goes according to Gods plan. Being aware of that isn't an easy thing to do . like actors who really get caught up in their roles , that's what we are. Like God is the writer/ director , we the actors and life the play. ( some say that your spirit knows as well as God , being the same , knows it all as well)

Hi Keo. I do think that's strange that your friends also had similar dreams, but that doesn't mean they are necessary precog dreams. It may also represent some form of death anxiety related to perhaps past conversations/experiences shared between friends. I personally believe we create our own fate, but certainly, other factors can come into play beyond our control that can shape the outcome of our fate. Interesting insight about the various dreams noted below:

We are only aware of very little of what goes on in our heads. Other parts of our minds are locked away from us. He defined dreams as our way of accessing those parts of our brain. A man called Carl Gustav Jung later added to Freud's theory by stating that as human beings we all have a collective unconscious. There are certain symbols and even racial memories that we all have access to regardless of who we are. These archetypes - as he called them - are passed down from the ancestors. Frederick Perls rejected this, saying that each dream was unique to the person who dreamed it. He stated that it is only through dreams that we can be at harmony with ourselves. Adolf Adler, famous for his work on the affects of birth order, went one step further and stated that dreams are all to do with power and power relations.

It is up to you to pick and choose what you believe about your own mind, but the general belief nowadays is that dreams are made up of symbols that are very personal to the dreamer. These symbols form a doorway into the unconscious mind of the dreamer and alert him or her to his or her true feelings and concerns. Therefore, only the dreamer can interpret his or her dreams.

There are many levels of meaning.

The first level is often based on what has happened in your life recently.
The second level is a symbolic level where items are there according to the emotional response they cause (eg a police man may cause fear in some, respect in others or appear like a hero to others).
The third level tells you about your state of mind. By gathering together the instances from real life, interpreting the symbols and then applying them to your feelings on a subject you can find out how you really feel and not how you're pretending to feel because of circumstances or expectations.

To many people either a dream is just a dream, or else a dream is a certain kind of dream that they have often. You may be surprised to hear that dreams can actually be classified and that different kinds of dreams mean different things about you and your subconscious thoughts.

--->Factual dreams
The most common dream. These dreams are simply reordering what your brain went through during the day, not necessarily even exploring these events. It is said that newborns dream for half of the time they are asleep (which is a lot of time) and children experience dreams more often than adults. This is possibly because when they’re dreaming is when the stuff they’ve learned during the day is cemented in their minds. This is one of the reasons why people advise us to get a good night’s sleep before an exam.

--> Anxiety dreams
You’re suddenly in the exam room and you realise you haven’t studied yet and you can’t read the question paper! Suddenly, as you figure out what the first question means, the invigilator calls out “stop writing!” and you haven’t even started yet…

Dreams such as this are called anxiety dreams because they feature what you are worried – or anxious about – while you’re awake. While such a dream may be nudging you to study harder, the dream has no deeper meaning (so don’t worry, it doesn’t mean you’re going to fail).

-->Reminder dreams
Your girlfriend is standing across from you with her arms crossed and a frown on her face. She is tapping her foot and then she starts to cry. “I can’t believe you forgot our anniversary!”

You wake with a start and, with heart hammering in your chest, realize that it’s only next week and you haven’t forgotten. But you would have if you hadn’t dreamed about it.

Always useful, these dreams remind us of something we’ve forgotten.


-->Wish-fulfillment dreams
What you can’t have in real life is given to you in your dreams. Isn’t that why we always say we’re “dreaming” about something good or refer to our aspirations as dreams?

-->Erotic dreams
You’re lying in bed and suddenly you feel arms around you, caressing you. You look up and see your best friend and kiss him/her… before you know it you’re making out and erm…

Does this mean that you secretly desire to be with your friend??? Probably not. More likely it is saying something about your own personality and how you crave attention from someone with aspects you associate with your friend, or how you personally want those aspects. Erotic dreams can also simply be a release of tension in what your mind sees as a safe environment.

-->Nightmares
Nightmares, contrary to popular belief, are not bad. They let us know what we are afraid of and, by knowing this, we are warned to deal with that before it becomes a problem in waking life. If you are having a nightmare, chances are that the solution lies in fixing a problem – or coming to terms with something – while you are awake.

-->Lucid dreams
The most interesting dream experience of all, where you realize you are dreaming and can control the dream. These dreams are like gold because they give us control over what our unconscious mind reveals to us. If you want to know how you really feel about something or someone, then the time to ask is when you are in one of those dreams and your unconscious mind will open up to you, like a door.

-->Insight dreams
My favourite example of this kind of dream is when two friends told me they were going out the day after I dreamed they were.

Our minds, unconsciously, pick up and remember every single thing we see. While we are asleep, they put the clues together and often present them to us in a dream.

-->Precognitive dreams
Controversial “fortune telling” dreams. Examples include Einstein literally dreaming up his theory of relativity, Lincoln dreaming of his own death days before he was murdered and many artists hitting on the ideas that would one day make them famous. These may give you chills, but can be explained by Jung’s idea of a collective consciousness. Other theories include parallel universes, or more reasonably that these are just forms of the insight dream.

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No, your fate is not predestined ,and even if the dreams are true prophetic dreams and precognition, that does not mean that your fate is set.

The short version is that i have been granted many warnings of coming deaths, each accurate and some very precise. However, by acting on the content of those warnings, when i recognised the events contained in them as occuring in the real world, I was able to change the foreseen events and thus survive.

Without the warnings, in every case, it is either impossible or extremely unlikely that i would have survived those experiences.

The first i recognised and remember was when i was aged about 18 .The last prediction came true about 18 months ago at the age of 56, and i was able to prevent my self from falling over 100 metres from a cliff face, instead suffering only a painfull and nagging torn ligament in my shoulder, which is now almost healed

So dreams can be warnings sent to you, to allow you to avoid potential danger and even death.
Im not saying yours are, or that they are any more than just dreams, but if you are concerned, then you need to know absolutely that our fates are not set, and that they can be altered by many things. While god can see all the potential pathways open to us and the most likely probabilities we will take at each intersection, even he can not know what path we wil finally take, until we set our hearts on it, and take a step in that direction.

Even then. he may physicallly intervene to remove a danger, or an obstacle in our way down that path, and stand at the next intersection ready to help us in the right/safe direction. But always the ultimate choice is ours (except on very rare occasions when god intervenes physically to push us out of the way of a speeding train or perhaps to switch tracks on that train, at the last moment, so it runs past us and not over us.)

I wish you well, and happy dreaming.

Sounds like Final Destination kinda but not really but sorta still.

I believe free will and destiny coexist.

IS that was a very interesting read. Danke.

As far as dreams I do believe some have the gift from the Spirit to dream prophetically but it takes the actual Spirit for that. I do not really think these dreams are for personal reasons for personal advisement but for moving the church (other believers the dreamer is in contact with) along.

Then there are prophetic dreams that might come from spirits.

Then there are prophetic dreams that might come just from the Cosmos seeping in to your mind since time is a paradigm and somewhere the past, present, and future all exist simultaneously.

Thanks for the help everyone... So it might just be our imagination of past experiences or something? It sounds likely I suppose... but... Meh oh well I guess it'll be up to us to discover the ultimate meaning behind them.

Keep us informed it sounds interesting.

Just realized I left out one major detail in my original post... I sorta mentioned it but subtly by saying "and we're all involved in the other's dreams" I mean we were killing each other... always leading to the same outcome of 2 people being left and one glowing black and the other glowing white as I mentioned... and after we talked this over today we notice one thing there are usually two factions Kinslow,Dyer,Bidwell,Shaw (using last names just because if I were to use our full names they would most likely kill me) and Dillman, Clark#1, and Clark#2. Kinslow usually ends up killing Dillman and Bidwell kills Clark#2 and Dyer Bidwell and Kinslow end up fighting Clark#1 Kinslow and Bidwell die in the process and after the death of us Dyer begins to glow White and Clark#1 begins to glow black... they clash and a bright white flash occurs and after that EVERYONE has woken up. We have attempted Lucid dreaming in order to control it to go farther but it never works. Just thought I should add this just in case it can help people determine a greater meaning that people have earlier...

This is what I believe also. Plus we all seem to run in packs or pools. I was told by my psychic my Best Friend we knew we had
met before, or separated at birth . I guess she was supposed to be my Mother , but she had a miscarriage. Also I have one of
my family members aborted child . We all come back , but different. I also heard one woman said her Father is her son .
Sounds goofy , but believe what you will , or what ever makes you feel good . SMILE

No no no that's not it. It's not that God predestines things in the past to happen. In his perspective, it already happened. In God's perspective, since he's infinite, everything is one event so the events already happened, not that he's predestining it to happen.

Dragohunter ~


Do you believe we have past lives ?

What's that supposed to mean?

Have you ever thought, 'I've been here before'? Do you wonder who you were in a past life? Discover YOUR connection with the past!

For fate to exist we must assume that something created fate's design, as in a creator. Because I am unsure if a creator exists I am unsure as to wether fate exists.

Of course there is a different kind of fate, with a more psychology based belief. It is argued that every choice we make isn't truely free but a product of our genetics, environment, and upbringing. Therefore if you could master the art of psychology and see what makes people choose to do whatever it is they do then you could predict what their future choices will be...or see their fate.

I believe in fate, I don't really have anything to support that claim other than what I feel.. Which probably sounds incredibly ignorant to some..

Some Infinate spirits Book of life writes itself, Their freewill was decited before this incarnation,By the spirit involved, Or what hapens to thenm, Happens with their permission, before this life as to Gain experience for their spirit.

Others, Gets written on a second By second, Choice by Choice basis,

And then there are those whose book is not written at all who will be returning back to The Firmament (Pure Love) From which all eternal spirit is created.

No Matter how ones book is written, with freewill it can always be Changed, if not in this life, in another.

But Time to incarnate on this world is growing short and will have to learn life lessons on another, after this one comes to a close.

Love Omnaka

I was destined to post a comment on this thread.

All we need to do is want what fate wants and then nothing can go against our will. Simple.

an example of fate ----

here in Discussions - I forgot who , but took a road on thier bike they don't usually take and ended up finding a puppy abandoned.

how many who were late for work to the WTC that never had been late before that morning. Lot's never made it to work that day - more than normal.

then you have this -


Civil engineer Lowell Manning takes issue with Eamonn O'Brien who in a recent interview calculated there should have been 38,500 people in both Trade Towers by 8:30 that morning plus at least 10 percent additional visitors for a total occupancy, so around 41,000 people altogether.

A Canadian evacuation expert who has run unannounced drills in government office buildings, O'Brien figures that the World Trade Center must have been less than 30 percent occupied" to account for fatality figures now placed at 2,940 dead..

Manning has conservatively assumed the tower population at 100 per floor on average, to give a figure of 20,000 all told, because there were at least 4 plant floors in each building and some unoccupied floors undergoing refit/renovation. Press reports generally put the population at around 25,000. There is absolutely no evidence that the buildings were substantially empty.

Besides noting that Goldman Sachs was located nearby not actually in the twin towers - Manning observes that Morgan Stanley was spread over 21 floors (not 50 as claimed in the original quote).

The New Zealander adds, I do not for one moment believe Eamonn O'Brien's figures of about 30 percent. occupancy. Is he taking into account that the South tower evacuation will have started before UA 175 hit it at 9.04 am? I think the order to evacuate would have been given as a matter of routine disaster response pretty soon after the north tower was hit at about 8.48 am.

But it does not appear that an orderly evacuation began in the South Tower until a second jetliner hit its upper floors. Survivors report that security announcements in the South Tower instructed employees to return to their desks after the North Tower suffered a massive explosion. We appear to be all right, said security. Office workers quoted in All Fall Down say they were nervously discussing the word appear when the South Tower was struck.

Since the South Tower collapsed before the North Tower, could it have been evacuated in time to account for an estimated 660 casualties?

http://www.rense.com/general22/wtcc.htm

the fact is it wasn't occupied on that day as it normally would have been. Fate ?

I do....................well sortta