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mnemeion
Because of the worldwide fear of the dreaded Global Warming that is melting the polar caps and causing change in the ecosystem, actions are now being taken to save our planet by the decrease in energy consumption. But the main pollutant is of course oil, fuel combustion, among others. I remember in the Philippines about a man who made a car powered by water, it was even on the news. But what happened was some foreign investor bought it since the DOST(Department of Science and Technology) in the Philippine Government ignored this, even though the engine is actually fully functional. I searched through the net and found that many more have thought and even created machines using Hydrogen/Oxygen Powered Vehicles.

It is obvious why these super efficient alternative for fossil fuels is being kept secret, like the many other technologies that are hidden, because this would bring about the collapse of the multi-billion dollar companies that have been pointing us in the wrong direction since the technological era began.

It is sad that the solution is right there in front of our eyes, but because of the huge amount of money that will be lost, this untapped resource will remain just another story.


But there is still hope. After the Global warming catastrophe floods us all, water will surely be the main source of fuel.
ships-cat
I'm afraid this is an urban myth. It is not possible to power a car by water.

Well... actually it is. It's called a Steam Engine. But you have to heat the water up first... and that requires a fuel of some sort.
There are also theories of splitting the water into Hydrogen and Oxygen.. you can recombine them to produce heat... but you STILL have to have an energy source in the first place to do the seperating. Plus, you will NOT get back as much energy as you used to seperate the water in the first place - this is conservation of energy and the 3rd law of thermodynamics.

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Promethius
I'll agree that hydrogen is definately the fuel of the future, and moreover, I definately agree with what you said about oil-companies covering up perfectaly feasable and superior tech. I hope that when humanity is suitably ruined by what it's doing to the earth, it will see reason and use technology thet has been avalable for what is bordering on decades.

The fact is, however, that it is impossible to electrolyse hydrogen without using far more energy than it can create when it combusts, so hydrogen alone cannot fuel all of societys needs. this is where i feel reliable sources of power such as the tides or solar power will be needed...

I think thats about all of my rant... thumbsup.gif
Promethius
whoa, ships cat, you posted exactly what i was about to say... thumbsup.gif
I'll type faster next time...
DieChecker
You don't hear anything more about water powered vehicles because they are a hoax. Like ships-cat said, you can get hydrogen and oxygen from water, but then the fuel is actually the hydrogen. And, unless you are using the sun or other "free" energy source to break your water, you are not helping the overall environment very much at all.

IMHO using batteries and a solar panel on a car to break water is not a viable option. I believe that you only get a few miles of hydrogen for a days worth of sun.
Wickian
Actually water-powered engines do exist, they were just never turned into cars due to the horrific effects that would have on world economy(and how much money the rich would lose). Here's a link to a guy who created many water powered devices, including water powered vehicles for the military, and was mysteriously murdered a few months back when he tried to make the cars available to the public.

Whether you want to believe it or not water + electricity + electrolysis = hydrogen energy with the stability of water.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CMovXzVOzc4
DieChecker
QUOTE (mr nobody @ May 22 2008, 03:15 AM) *
Does anyone know what the inhabitants of England spoke prior to the saxon migrations to the british isles? I think it unlikely that whatever was spoken would simply have died out.

One of the last comments on YouTube says it all. It is basically just a fancy electric car. To get a car that can run on water in real time you would need a lot of electric current to create hydogen on a constant basis. That would require either a lot of batteries (perhaps hundreds of kg) or a small battery that only powers it for a short time. Either way you still need electricity, which you can not gather in real time fast enough to not need batteries.

Any way you work it, a Real-time water fueled engine will be more expensive, less efficent and have less run time then your average straight electric car. So why not just get an electric car?
Kryso
The billion dollar oil companies swallowed them up. They would be the first to lose out to a clean cheap alternative method of transport that doesn't rely on fossil fuels.
jonbyrd

Hi there,

I think this information may help you out

Have you ever heard of HHO fuel that has got to be the best way to save on gas prices.?
? Imagine the savings. It will cost you about $160, or two tanks of gas to install an HHO

conversion kit

Hydrogen Car Kit - Save Money and Improve MPG Massively
Hydrogen car kit empowers your car to run on water and avoid oil as fuel. A vehicle however
will not be able to run on water alone. There needs to be a mixture of gasoline and water to
enable it to run smoothly.

Even the Water Fuel Conversion Kits - How Using Water As Fuel Helps Cut Your Gas Consumption

Recently,there is increased awareness among many drivers of a technology that uses plain

water tosupplement the cars' gasoline consumption. Called a water fuel conversion kit, it is

a simpleadd-on to your current car engine that uses your car battery to carry out an

electrolysis on water to produce Hydroxy gas (HHO). This Hydroxy gas is used to supplement

the burning ofgasoline in the car's engine.


Hydrogen generator kit for car can be better than gasoline or oil additives to raise gas
mileage. When you make or do it on your own, you can save money on gas but will save lots
of dollars on the kit and reproduce the system for other automobiles on your own.

saving money should be what everyonr thinks off and I have done this by using all ideas from
my free Ebook - http://www.waterfuelkit.net

I purchased the available eBooks that teach you how to run your car on water and installed

one on my "chevy 350 small block," it's pretty easy.
DieChecker
QUOTE (jonbyrd @ Jun 21 2008, 06:55 PM) *
Hi there,

I think this information may help you out

Have you ever heard of HHO fuel that has got to be the best way to save on gas prices.?
? Imagine the savings. It will cost you about $160, or two tanks of gas to install an HHO

conversion kit

Hydrogen Car Kit - Save Money and Improve MPG Massively
Hydrogen car kit empowers your car to run on water and avoid oil as fuel. A vehicle however
will not be able to run on water alone. There needs to be a mixture of gasoline and water to
enable it to run smoothly.

Even the Water Fuel Conversion Kits - How Using Water As Fuel Helps Cut Your Gas Consumption

Recently,there is increased awareness among many drivers of a technology that uses plain

water tosupplement the cars' gasoline consumption. Called a water fuel conversion kit, it is

a simpleadd-on to your current car engine that uses your car battery to carry out an

electrolysis on water to produce Hydroxy gas (HHO). This Hydroxy gas is used to supplement

the burning ofgasoline in the car's engine.


Hydrogen generator kit for car can be better than gasoline or oil additives to raise gas
mileage. When you make or do it on your own, you can save money on gas but will save lots
of dollars on the kit and reproduce the system for other automobiles on your own.

saving money should be what everyonr thinks off and I have done this by using all ideas from
my free Ebook - http://www.waterfuelkit.net

I purchased the available eBooks that teach you how to run your car on water and installed

one on my "chevy 350 small block," it's pretty easy.

We are not supposed to promote products on these Forums. Especially your own products and websites.

Unless it provides information that is relevant to the subject of the thread.

The site and technology looks quite possible. It seems to add a little hydrogen to the fuel mix to provide a little extra power and decreases your need for fuel by increasing your power output. The 40% increase in gas milage may be exagerated though. Depends on what car they were using as a test. If it was a beat up old Ford that got 10 miles per gallon and the improved milage was 14 the it would be technically true. The real test would be using a brand new mini-van or SUV. Since those would be your big target market.

Be interesting to see the specs on how much hydrogen is created how fast and how much is used per liter of regular fuel. That would go a long way to showing if this is a worth while technology or a scam.
ethereal scout
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The fact is, however, that it is impossible to electrolyse hydrogen without using far more energy than it can create when it combusts, so hydrogen alone cannot fuel all of societys needs. this is where i feel reliable sources of power such as the tides or solar power will be needed...


Hydrogen combusted with oxygen still offers a lot of energy though. Both can be obtained from water via electrolysis.

The only 'waste' is water.

Accepted - you'd need a power source to begin with to electrolisise the water - thereafter - wheres the issue?
ROGER
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Any way using your cars batteries means using the Alternator to recharge and maintain the batteries. This produces more drag on the engine, Raising the fuel required. There is always a trade off!
warrington ghost hunter
an alternator creates much more voltage/amps than you think. they contain an internal regulator so that it doesnt overcharge the car batteries so remove the regulator= lots more voltage! you would only need a battery to start the car. its far from impossible just difficult (imo). even if you used 2 alternators the drain on the engine (due to high voltage) wouldnt make that much difference. (once again imo) i am a mechanic by trade so have a good idea what im talking about thats my rant over! grin2.gif
crystal sage
http://www.mail-archive.com/interact@lists...m/msg00192.html

http://www.hybridcarnews.org/entry/mdi-develops-the-air-car/
FUEL LESS CAR WITHIN 1 YEAR
http://www.fastpitchnetworking.com/pr/pres....cfm?PRID=23392

the cost of fuel has doubled in the past year... I hope they manage to build these cars...!!!

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